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July 10th, 2021 at 11:14:15 AM permalink
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Thanks Mission, you're entered.

I'm averse to counting tiny slots-only parlors as casinos (e.g., Dotty's, Claim Jumper), which is one reason I've shied away from counting slots-only establishments as casinos. Defining a minimum amount of gaming space or machines would be a good way to avoid that. Going with machine count over gaming area is a good idea, but it's not always easy to get machine count data (while gaming area is usually pretty easy).

I did classify Hooters as not a Strip casino, but some might have disagreed with that assessment. The question is, is a property that's 0.3 miles from the Strip close enough to be considered a Strip casino?



Thanks for the entry!

I agree with not counting slots parlors as casinos, so I have mostly tried to avoid it on listing pages that I have done. If already published listing pages have them at under 100 and nobody answers the phone on the first try (or doesn't even know enough to offer an estimate), then I'll usually not list a place. That mostly just happened with a few places in Oklahoma not getting listed for that reason...I wanted verification that they had at least fifty.

Of course, I think I did list one place with thirty, but that was a reward for them answering the phone.

I'd probably just call and ask for an estimate and screw it if they don't answer. I seriously doubt that listed machine counts are ever precise, and if they are, it's probably not for very long.

I don't know on Nevada, but some states (Commercial Casinos) will have precise counts as to how many machines a location is licensed to have. In those cases, I'll typically use that number and put a note to the effect.

I would either list Hooters as, "Off-Strip," or, "Near-Strip," or you could list them as, "Strip," with an asterisk.
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July 10th, 2021 at 11:15:28 AM permalink
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-snip-
(1) Tuscany (with a hotel, 50k sf gaming space, but no table games) be listed as a casino or not? Why or why not?
(2) Should Casino Royale (with a hotel but no table games) be listed as a casino or not? Why or why not?
(3) Should Slots-A-Fun (with no hotel or table games) be listed as a casino or not? Why or why not?
(4) Should OYO (0.3 miles from the Strip) be listed as a "Strip" casino?


Casino with hotel should be included.
Include them if they have or have ever had table games. Things change, tables could return (or not).
East of I-15 and a block or two from Las Vegas Blvd is "The Strip" in my opinion. I would include South Point and M Resort as well.

Other things:
Wild Wild West may deserve a posting? Haven't been there in a while, but they had tables/sportsbook/machines/hotel.

On the map page you updated one with the Virgin location but the second still lists Hard Rock (with x on it, RIP). Resorts World is complete, so that one can be added.
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July 10th, 2021 at 11:34:39 AM permalink
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I'll do a random drawing for a $100 prize among everyone who answers the above 4 questions.

The fine print: Payment by PayPal, Venmo, or Bovada credit (winner's choice), answers must be meaningful, those I've blocked for insulting me aren't eligible, there must be at least ten entries, and I reserve the right to make other modifications if people try to game the system or there's some other barrier to collecting meaningful data.



1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) No, off-strip casino
Order from chaos
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July 10th, 2021 at 12:34:15 PM permalink
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Okay. If I win, just hang onto the $100 and I'll add it to the prizes for this season's NFL Picks Game, so I'll direct payment to the appropriate party at that time, if that is okay.

Sure.

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1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) No, off-strip casino

Not entered, b/c answers aren't complete. (Didn't include the "why".) I edited the rules above to be clearer that answers must be complete, and also that I'm not obligated to point out when someone's entry fails due to not following the rules.
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July 10th, 2021 at 1:27:13 PM permalink
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So, the poll questions are:

(1) Should Tuscany (with a hotel, 50k sf gaming space, but no table games) be listed as a casino or not? Why or why not?
(2) Should Casino Royale (with a hotel but no table games) be listed as a casino or not? Why or why not?
(3) Should Slots-A-Fun (with no hotel or table games) be listed as a casino or not? Why or why not?
(4) Should OYO (0.3 miles from the Strip) be listed as a "Strip" casino?



1) Yes. Large enough size, ticket writers in the sports book. It has a lot of the amenities (hotel, dining, spa, etc) as any comparable place, while gambling is still its most noteworthy piece.
2) Yes. It is in the name. It has a highly visible marquee on the Las Vegas Strip, and there is nothing about it that would suggest it is not a casino.
3) No, it should be included with Circus Circus.
4) No, the Strip is Las Vegas Blvd. from Mandalay Bay to Sahara (I could be convinced to include Stratosphere)

All the decisions of whether something qualifies as a casino or not should be entirely editors decision, without any hard and fast rules. Any disagreements or controversy is a good thing. I think I am much more liberal in my definitions; if a primary reason people would go there is to gamble and there is something that makes it more than just a "slot parlor", I will usually lean to "yes". I would say yes to Wild Wild West, no to Alamo, and maybe to Aztec Inn.
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July 10th, 2021 at 1:44:41 PM permalink
Thanks, TomG.

To save me time, if I thank your post, you're entered. If I didn't, I found it lacking (or I haven't read it yet).
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July 10th, 2021 at 1:45:26 PM permalink
1, 2, 3: No.
"Casino" to me means a place offers a variety of gambling options. These properties do not appear to offer the requisite diversity.
Neither does a place with a single blackjack table.
Neither does a racetrack with some VLT's.
Neither does a bingo hall with a poker room.
A tribal property with bingo, table games, OTB, and slots... yes. Casino.
"Slot Casino" would be a fair characterization.
A hotel, a spa, a bowling alley, a go-kart track, a theater for live entertainment... would not alter the fundamental gambling characteristic of a property. ("Resort" is the word here.)
I think the magic number is 3. Slots, VP, and ETG's* get lumped together, house banked card tables, live roulette/Big 6, live craps with actual dice the players toss, keno (not machine), bingo (with and without electronic cards, but class II slots are still slots), sports, race, live poker, other... I think you need 3.

4: Sure.
It appears that it is closer to several "strip" properties than any number of adjacent "strip" properties are to each other.
When walking away from the strip, you only cross driveways, not any streets before getting there. Their driveway is right next to a strip property's.

*Electronic table games: no chips? It's a slot machine, even if there's a ball orbiting a robotic roulette wheel, or a dealer controlling a few player terminals.

My opinion on these matters doesn't amount to a hill of beans, and I accordingly decline any prize award.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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July 10th, 2021 at 2:10:58 PM permalink
Thanks, Dieter!

About half the entrants have declined the prize if they win. Seems like the WoV membership demographic skews financially independent.
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July 10th, 2021 at 2:12:36 PM permalink
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Seems like the WoV membership demographic skews financially independent.



... or unduly paranoid about disclosing the sort of information required to receive such a bonus.

Good luck with your project!
May the cards fall in your favor.
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July 10th, 2021 at 3:23:59 PM permalink
1. NO - Off strip
2. YES - On the strip and it seems like table games are disappearing more & more every week.
3. NO - Should be left off or a note added to Circus Circus.
4. YES - Right next to a casino that is on the strip.

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