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MichaelBluejay
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March 26th, 2021 at 7:18:39 AM permalink
Damn, I'm always doing that, thinking about the 10- or 20-year history of something and then adding the 10- or 20-years. Of course the correct launch date was Dec. 20, 2000. I edited the original post.
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May 10th, 2021 at 12:07:30 AM permalink
I just added a list of the largest Vegas jackpot wins.

This is kind of my specialty, covering interesting things that nobody else covers (especially things that you'd *expect* that someone else has covered).
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July 9th, 2021 at 2:03:47 PM permalink
In my list of Vegas casinos, I originally defined "casino" as an establishment that had table games. Then I made an exception for strip casinos like Slots-A-Fun and Casino Royale (which removed their table games), by virtue of their being on the Strip. So the only casino that got removed from the list for not having table games was Longhorn, because they're not on the strip.

Well, now Tuscany has removed its table games, and they're not on the strip, so normally I'd remove them, except that it's a sizable casino. The other 3 casinos that removed its table games are among the 6-smallest casinos in Vegas (as per my sortable list of Vegas casinos. Tuscany's gaming floor is lager than that of most of the downtown casinos, OYO, and Cromwell, and within spitting size of Virgin and Tropicana.

So, should I remove Tuscany as a casino per my existing definition, or should I redefine "casino" to be:

(1) Has table games, OR
(2) On the Strip, OR
(3) At least 50,000sf of gaming area

?
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July 9th, 2021 at 4:31:52 PM permalink
Shoot, I didn't know that about the Tuscany. Another one bites the dust.

As to option (3), I'm not big on drawing a line at 50,000. Perhaps you could instead require an attached hotel.

Not that you asked, but I wouldn't consider the Tuscany to be on the Strip geographically. I would draw the line east of the Strip at Koval, which the Tuscany is east of. I've been there lots of times and you don't seem to see typical tourists there. However, if you're sticking with your geographical conditions, I would count it as a casino.

Here are my comments on some borderline properties, based on how I would do it:

Slots-o-fun: Not a casino because no hotel component nor tables. I personally view it as an extension of Circus Circus. When they had tables, I think they used Circus chips.
Casino Royale: Casino, because it has slots and a hotel.
OYO: Casino, west of Koval + tables and hotel.
Tuscany: No, east of Koval

Just my two cents.
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July 9th, 2021 at 6:15:35 PM permalink
Thanks for the ideas, they're helpful.

I never considered Tuscany to be a Strip property. The only casino I ever counted as a Strip property that wasn't actually on the Strip was Lucky Dragon, but they didn't last long. OYO is a little farther from the Strip than Lucky Dragon was, but I could be persuaded to list it as a Strip property, if lots of members think it should be. What do you think?

Likewise, I could be persuaded that Slot-A-Fun shouldn't be listed as a casino.

Wiz, before your post, I was talking to my wife about the same idea, about maybe counting a property as a casino if they have an attached hotel. However, there still needs to be a minimum gaming area. If the grocery stores have slots, then I imagine some hotels have them also.

So, the poll questions are:

(1) Should Tuscany (with a hotel, 50k sf gaming space, but no table games) be listed as a casino or not? Why or why not?
(2) Should Casino Royale (with a hotel but no table games) be listed as a casino or not? Why or why not?
(3) Should Slots-A-Fun (with no hotel or table games) be listed as a casino or not? Why or why not?
(4) Should OYO (0.3 miles from the Strip) be listed as a "Strip" casino?
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July 10th, 2021 at 10:41:20 AM permalink
I'll do a random drawing for a $100 prize among everyone who answers the above 4 questions.

The fine print:
Payment by PayPal, Venmo, Bovada credit, or Bitcoin (winner's choice).
 Answers must be meaningful (including the "why").
 I'm not required to point out failed entry from those who didn't follow the rules.
 Not eligible: Those I've blocked for insulting me, anyone who registered their WoV account on or after July 10, 2021.
 There must be at least ten entries.
 I reserve the right to make other modifications if people try to game the system or there's some other barrier to collecting meaningful data.
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July 10th, 2021 at 10:48:15 AM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

I'll do a random drawing for a $100 prize among everyone who answers the above 4 questions.

The fine print: Payment by PayPal, Venmo, or Bovada credit (winner's choice), answers must be meaningful, those I've blocked for insulting me aren't eligible, there must be at least ten entries, and I reserve the right to make other modifications if people try to game the system or there's some other barrier to collecting meaningful data.



Okay. If I win, just hang onto the $100 and I'll add it to the prizes for this season's NFL Picks Game, so I'll direct payment to the appropriate party at that time, if that is okay.
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July 10th, 2021 at 10:48:41 AM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

I'll do a random drawing for a $100 prize among everyone who answers the above 4 questions.

The fine print: Payment by PayPal, Venmo, or Bovada credit (winner's choice), answers must be meaningful, those I've blocked for insulting me aren't eligible, there must be at least ten entries, and I reserve the right to make other modifications if people try to game the system or there's some other barrier to collecting meaningful data.

There should be a list of people you have blocked
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July 10th, 2021 at 10:57:59 AM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay



So, the poll questions are:

(1) Should Tuscany (with a hotel, 50k sf gaming space, but no table games) be listed as a casino or not? Why or why not?
(2) Should Casino Royale (with a hotel but no table games) be listed as a casino or not? Why or why not?
(3) Should Slots-A-Fun (with no hotel or table games) be listed as a casino or not? Why or why not?
(4) Should OYO (0.3 miles from the Strip) be listed as a "Strip" casino?



(Quote clipped, relevance)

1.) If they have slots, then yes. I would say that my reason for voting in favor of that is prior precedent. There are many locations around the country, or have been, in which Table Games are not legalized/regulated (or they simply don't have Table Games) that have still been categorized as casinos. One example is any of the (then) four casinos in West Virginia prior to Table Games being legalized and regulated.

Also, many Tribal Casinos in Oklahoma are categorized as casinos, but not all of them have Table Games. Mermaids and La Bayou (when they existed) were categorized as casinos, did not have Table Games and were barely larger than a Dotty's.

2.) See #1

3.) See #1. Prior precedent would also say that it should be categorized as a casino. The majority of Pennsylvania's casinos do not have a hotel directly attached to them. Furthermore, Binion's does not itself have a hotel, but I would like to think would still be considered a casino even if they got rid of Table Games.

4.) Was Hooters classified as Strip or Off-Strip? Isn't OYO the same physical property as Hooters? I guess I would just go back to prior precedent and classify OYO as however Hooters was classified, if so.

If I had to create a dividing line when it comes to whether or not something with no Table Games and no hotel is classified as a casino...and keep in mind that any dividing line would be arbitrary...I would go with machine count over how many square feet of gambling space. I'd probably capriciously set my standard for whether or not it is a casino at something like 50 machines...they'd also have to have non-zero in terms of food service.
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July 10th, 2021 at 11:04:42 AM permalink
Thanks Mission, you're entered.

I'm averse to counting tiny slots-only parlors as casinos (e.g., Dotty's, Claim Jumper), which is one reason I've shied away from counting slots-only establishments as casinos. Defining a minimum amount of gaming space or machines would be a good way to avoid that. Going with machine count over gaming area is a good idea, but it's not always easy to get machine count data (while gaming area is usually pretty easy).

I did classify Hooters as not a Strip casino, but some might have disagreed with that assessment. The question is, is a property that's 0.3 miles from the Strip close enough to be considered a Strip casino?

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