Tipping etiquette?
Scenario B: You play Craps for thirty minutes, lose, the crew does a nice job.
What about winning or losing changes how the crew performed or how much they should be compensated? Hell, if you lose money and still think the crew did a nice job, then they must really have. I would think someone who is winning would be more predisposed to having a favorable opinion of the crew.
That's just my opinion. People who don't tip when they lose probably have an answer really similar to your suggestion.
Dog Hand's Tipping Guidelines to Ensure Longevity
Although exceptions to the rule do exist, dealers are generally content with a tip of 20-30% of your "color-up", along with a bet "for the boys" of one chip color below what you're betting per round: thus, if you're betting green, that's a red; if you're betting black, that's a green, etc.
Example: you buy in for $500 and flat-bet 1 green (plus a red "for the boys") per round. After 100 rounds, you color up your remaining 8 greens, and toss the dealer another $50 (25% of your $200 "color-up"): note that the "color-up" tip is NOT dependent on whether you yourself won or lost (that's immaterial to the dealer), but rather on the amount that you "color-up" at the end. Thus, your total tip is $550 on $2,500 of action (actually $3,000 of action, if you count the bets "for the boys").
This tipping level will usually (but not always: some people are greedy) keep you in the good graces of the dealer and the pit.
Now don't forget about the cashier! You have to give something to "the babes with the bucks" as you cash out your remaining $150: $20 (a nice Jackson, a.k.a. a "double sawbuck") should be adequate to ensure they never short-change you. Now your tipping has reached $570.
However, these tips will have NO effect on the EITS, since they don't share in the dealers' and cashiers' tips, so you should be sure to stop by the surveillance room (you'll have to get directions from a guard, so keep $10 ready "for the guys with guns"), then "slip 'em a Benjy" to keep "the crew with the cameras" happy as well, thereby increasing your tipping amount to $680.
This will leave you with $20, so you can give $10 to "the team with the towels" (that is, the restroom attendant: if you can't find him (or her), just leave a Hamilton on the bathroom sink), and your final $10 can go to the valet for not actually wrecking your car. If you didn't arrive by car, give the valet $10 anyway for "the car jockeys."
Thus, to recap, you bought in for $500, gave $700 in tips, and left with... nothing. Keep doing this and you'll be golden at that casino forever.
Hope this helps!
Dog Hand
Quote: Rigondeaux
This is your shining example of a tipless utopia?
Now, if drivers made a $3 to $5 standard tip, Uber could pay half of what they do now and pass some savings on to the consumer.
It would be a decent job and you'd have better and safer cars and drivers
Utopia. No.
I've perhaps given the impression by saying I only want to pay for services I asked for that I'm against paying workers. There's nothing implicitly cheap about only wanting to pay for what you want done, and nothing more. You or anyone else can knock yourself out trying to make up a reason why I should do otherwise.
Do you go out and hire workers to do work you don't need? If so, why? That's sound stupid to me, not smart.
Furthermore, I've said I will pay for anything once I know what service was performed not stiff anyone for work I wanted perform. What's wrong with that?
Thirdly, the idea that service workers only make more money if you pay them directly, or the owner will raise prices and we lose, is a scoundrel problem and none of you are heroes making excuses for them. See, because it really should come out the same either way at the very worst.
Quote: rxwineUtopia. No.
I've perhaps given the impression by saying I only want to pay for services I asked for that I'm against paying workers. There's nothing implicitly cheap about only wanting to pay for what you want done, and nothing more. You or anyone else can knock yourself out trying to make up a reason why I should do otherwise.
Do you go out and hire workers to do work you don't need? If so, why? That's sound stupid to me, not smart.
Furthermore, I've said I will pay for anything once I know what service was performed not stiff anyone for work I wanted perform. What's wrong with that?
Thirdly, the idea that service workers only make more money if you pay them directly, or the owner will raise prices and we lose, is a scoundrel problem and none of you are heroes making excuses for them. See, because it really should come out the same either way at the very worst.
1)It's practically impossible for service to be performed to the exact level you want to save you a few dollars. There's no way for someone to know that you want your bread refilled, but not your tea. Or that you don't want your waiter to ask you how your night is, but you do want him to suggest a doggy bag. Dealing with you with such specificity would be more work than just providing the good service.
Yes, for such things to ever even cross your mind does make you "inherently cheap." If you ever say things like this, everyone you know considers you cheap. If you tip less than 15% at a restaurant, 95% of people correctly think less of you.
2)Same reason you can't pay just for the parts of a movie you enjoyed. Same reason you can't go to a car wash, and pay them less because you didn't want them to wash the roof. Same reason I can't shave $50 off my rent because I don't use my balcony. It's part of a package. Pay for it, or try to cheat the person providing it. Up to you. Sometimes you can get away with it, sometimes not.
3) It doesn't matter how things are in RX's imagination land. It doesn't matter that you wish ever so hard that we lived in your imagination land instead of planet earth. We still live on earth, where the existing system is that you pay these workers directly for their services. Not only do their bosses generally like the system. THEY strongly prefer it too! And so do most customers. You're the odd ball. Cheat them, or don't cheat them. But, YOU are the scoundrel if you cheat them.
If I think to myself, "banks should give me money!!1" It doesn't mean I can rob a bank, but it's not actually bank robbery. Or that the banks are the ones to blame, for not conforming to how I think things should be.
Quote: Rigondeaux1)It's practically impossible for service to be performed to the exact level you want to save you a few dollars. There's no way for someone to know that you want your bread refilled, but not your tea. Or that you don't want your waiter to ask you how your night is, but you do want him to suggest a doggy bag. Dealing with you with such specificity would be more work than just providing the good service.
Yes, for such things to ever even cross your mind does make you "inherently cheap." If you ever say things like this, everyone you know considers you cheap. If you tip less than 15% at a restaurant, 95% of people correctly think less of you.
2)Same reason you can't pay just for the parts of a movie you enjoyed. Same reason you can't go to a car wash, and pay them less because you didn't want them to wash the roof. Same reason I can't shave $50 off my rent because I don't use my balcony. It's part of a package. Pay for it, or try to cheat the person providing it. Up to you. Sometimes you can get away with it, sometimes not.
3) It doesn't matter how things are in RX's imagination land. It doesn't matter that you wish ever so hard that we lived in your imagination land instead of planet earth. We still live on earth, where the existing system is that you pay these workers directly for their services. Not only do their bosses generally like the system. THEY strongly prefer it too! And so do most customers. You're the odd ball. Cheat them, or don't cheat them. But, YOU are the scoundrel if you cheat them.
If I think to myself, "banks should give me money!!1" It doesn't mean I can rob a bank, but it's not actually bank robbery. Or that the banks are the ones to blame, for not conforming to how I think things should be.
It's like trying to explain something to 💩 poop. Seems like a waste of time.
Quote: MaxPenIt's like trying to explain something to 💩 poop. Seems like a waste of time.
Eew.😣
Quote: Rigondeaux1)It's practically impossible for service to be performed to the exact level you want to save you a few dollars. There's no way for someone to know that you want your bread refilled, but not your tea. Or that you don't want your waiter to ask you how your night is, but you do want him to suggest a doggy bag. Dealing with you with such specificity would be more work than just providing the good service.
Yes, for such things to ever even cross your mind does make you "inherently cheap." If you ever say things like this, everyone you know considers you cheap. If you tip less than 15% at a restaurant, 95% of people correctly think less of you.
2)Same reason you can't pay just for the parts of a movie you enjoyed. Same reason you can't go to a car wash, and pay them less because you didn't want them to wash the roof. Same reason I can't shave $50 off my rent because I don't use my balcony. It's part of a package. Pay for it, or try to cheat the person providing it. Up to you. Sometimes you can get away with it, sometimes not.
3) It doesn't matter how things are in RX's imagination land. It doesn't matter that you wish ever so hard that we lived in your imagination land instead of planet earth. We still live on earth, where the existing system is that you pay these workers directly for their services. Not only do their bosses generally like the system. THEY strongly prefer it too! And so do most customers. You're the odd ball. Cheat them, or don't cheat them. But, YOU are the scoundrel if you cheat them.
If I think to myself, "banks should give me money!!1" It doesn't mean I can rob a bank, but it's not actually bank robbery. Or that the banks are the ones to blame, for not conforming to how I think things should be.
Sometimes you CAN pay for what you use only and save a whole lot of money. Cable deals offer deals like this. 😁
Quote: Rigondeaux1)It's practically impossible for service to be performed to the exact level you want to save you a few dollars.
What's the problem with business offering different levels of service? I didn't say anything about "custom" service where I make up stuff they don't offer.
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Yes, for such things to ever even cross your mind does make you "inherently cheap." If you ever say things like this, everyone you know considers you cheap. If you tip less than 15% at a restaurant, 95% of people correctly think less of you.
That's pretty funny actually. The one's that want tipping to stay optional are the cheap ones. They are probably the ones keeping their tips minimal. I'm all about paying for the work I want and requested. Did I ever say anything different? Maybe I want something expensive done sometimes. I never said that's also not an option.
Quote:2)Same reason you can't pay just for the parts of a movie you enjoyed. Same reason you can't go to a car wash, and pay them less because you didn't want them to wash the roof. Same reason I can't shave $50 off my rent because I don't use my balcony. It's part of a package. Pay for it, or try to cheat the person providing it. Up to you. Sometimes you can get away with it, sometimes not.
The car wash is the only thing similar because tipping is involved. If your point is, I can't go argue with a retailer about whether something was worth it or not, see the return department in stores, or see the complaints to business managers. None of this, I'm stuck with whatever I get pretense you're making up. A movie might be the only inherent risk, and I probably couldn't win an argument in court because it's generally expected that's a gamble that you may dislike it. Maybe only like unadvertised porn could really get you a refund., or it's advertised as a kid's movie but isn't. But OTOH, I do believe people get refunds there, though I don't know all the reasons they may or may not.. Perhaps if they leave early enough
Quote:3) It doesn't matter how things are in RX's imagination land. It doesn't matter that you wish ever so hard that we lived in your imagination land instead of planet earth. We still live on earth, where the existing system is that you pay these workers directly for their services. Not only do their bosses generally like the system. THEY strongly prefer it too! And so do most customers. You're the odd ball. Cheat them, or don't cheat them. But, YOU are the scoundrel if you cheat them.
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Custom, or this is way we do it here, has been used as excuse to keep doing anything for eons. It's the first line of a bullshit argument for anything.
Quote: Mission146Scenario A: You play Craps for thirty minutes, win, the crew does a nice job.
Scenario B: You play Craps for thirty minutes, lose, the crew does a nice job.
What about winning or losing changes how the crew performed or how much they should be compensated? Hell, if you lose money and still think the crew did a nice job, then they must really have. I would think someone who is winning would be more predisposed to having a favorable opinion of the crew.
That's just my opinion. People who don't tip when they lose probably have an answer really similar to your suggestion.
A lot of social conventions and even laws have an element of arbitrariness. (Spell check says that's a word).
It's pretty much unavoidable because at some point we have to just draw the lines. However, they are part of a larger practical framework that oftentimes, we do not really grasp. Like how some people don't understand that tipping allows people to make a good living in a more ruthlessly capitalistic society.
Sometimes it might seem arbitrary but it's not. We just aren't aware of the underlying reasons.
My favorite example of this. I saw a youtube where this guy was trying to argue how everything is an arbitrary social construct. He said stop signs being red was an example of this. I never really thought about it.
Well. Someone pointed out that red is the best color for standing out against green and blue (sky and plants) so it makes stop signs easier to see. Also that perhaps red, the color of blood, really gets our attention and causes kind of a visceral reaction. When you see a spot of red on yourself or your kids, you're wired to pay attention.
Wouldn't surprise me if even the people who first made red stop signs never really thought about that stuff and it just kind of seemed like the best color.
This is why people who are always trying to re-invent the wheel and demand special treatment and feel like every convention that seems arbitrary or wrong to them after they've put 9 seconds of thought into it mostly just make jackasses of themselves.
Quote: NathanSometimes you CAN pay for what you use only and save a whole lot of money. Cable deals offer deals like this. 😁
Man, I'm still waiting for all the competition to occur and my bills to go down, after they scuttled net neutrality. Hasn't happened yet.
If you are saying it is OK for you to tip less than 15% because you wish that some of the services delivered to you were not delivered, that's another, and undertipping with this justification is rotten. Whether you want them or not, you have consumed them and owe the person who provided them.
Quote: rxwineMan, I'm still waiting for all the competition to occur and my bills to go down, after they scuttled net neutrality. Hasn't happened yet.
There are 500 channels available, and if you only watch 100 you can get a deal that you only pay for those 100 channels. I think they make the extra 400 channels "Dark," if you don't watch it. For example, Channel 200 is The Polar Channel where they explore the natural habitats pf Polar Bears. I am not interested in an entire Channel about Polar Bears, if I want to see Polar Bears in their natural Habitats, I can watch The Animal Planet. I pay for The Animal Planet and Polar Channel is "Dark,". 😁
Quote: mcallister3200Tip creep has created the growing market for fast casual. What used to be 10-15% assumption is now 18-22%. I frequently get bad service at your Denny’s/waffle house/Applebee’s type places that I attribute to dining solo frequently so you get stereotyped, I think I leave those type of places pissed off but still leaving 15-25% about 1/3rd of the time. Not sure why I bother going back to those sort of franchises, guess I’m an idiot. I rarely tip housekeeping or baristas, dealers is sporadic but never on a large win at places that pool because you can’t possibly tip them something reasonable without them being equally as pissed as if you just stiffed them, I’ll tip bud tenders more frequently then the previous three I mentioned if they’re good.
About Denny's, I once inadvertently OVERTIPPED but thought I had inadvertently UNDERTIPPED. I had a meal of about $7 and gave the waitress $1.50 in tip(I had been wondering if I was supposed to give her $2 instead.). She was EXCITED and CRIED happy tears. Turns out I had given her a 22 percent tip, whereas most people give Denny's like 15 percent. So, I did better than I thought.
Servers in NY make about $4 an hour plus tips. Servers in Nevada make minimum wage or better plus tips. In my personal experience, most Nevada workers wouldn't make it in NY.
Real life scenario from the past.
Three bartenders pool tips. They sell.1,000 drinks for $5,000 and each made $25 in salary plus $175 in tips for total compensation of $200 each. Actual costs of each drink is $1. I adopt a no tipping policy and raise my bartenders salary to $200 a night. Assuming sales are not affected by all this, how much do I charge per drink to keep the same margins? Before you answer, consider that my share of each bartenders FICA went from about $2 to close to $19. That's per bartender, per night . Workmans Comp and unemployment are based on payroll so they will skyrocket. My expense per bartender went from $35 a night to $250 plus. I can't survive on $5 a drink after my expenses skyrocketed. It's not IF I raise my prices, it's how much I raise them. Raising my prices 20% won't cover my expenses.
In a lot of major cities, rent is around $2500/month for a 1 or 2 bedroom apartment. #FightFor80 (because McDonald's only hires part-timers)
Quote: MaxPenI'm not buying that. I wonder what percent of people tip on hotel rooms to begin with. I don't think there's a standard for hotels like there is for restaurants.
No tip if I don't use the service. That's including random times they come in when I said no housekeeping.
Quote: djatcNo tip if I don't use the service. That's including random times they come in when I said no housekeeping.
Be careful, those "Random Housekeepers," could be burglars.
Quote: RigondeauxIf tipping causes you anxiety, why not just work on reducing your anxiety? Seems better than destroying someone else's livelihood.
In general, I don't understand why so many people are angered or anxious about giving someone a couple of dollars for a job well done. Maybe it's related to this being a gambling forum. People hung up on money or unusually greedy?
I think maybe I was not expressing myself clearly. I have no problem tipping. I also do not have an anxiety problem. Uncertainty in knowing what an appropriate tip is (not talking restaurants here) creates some anxiety, and I think I probably tend to over-tip to make sure I am not being a turd. This creates some angst for me, but that clearly is less painful than wondering if I just ruined someone’s day.
Quote: NathanAbout Denny's, I once inadvertently OVERTIPPED but thought I had inadvertently UNDERTIPPED. I had a meal of about $7 and gave the waitress $1.50 in tip(I had been wondering if I was supposed to give her $2 instead.). She was EXCITED and CRIED happy tears. Turns out I had given her a 22 percent tip, whereas most people give Denny's like 15 percent. So, I did better than I thought.
Looking for another suspension? Waitress cried because you tipped her $1.50 instead of her usual $1.25? Why do you make this stuff up?
On a truthful note, I was flying home on Southwest last night. Went to curbside luggage check in. On the counter was a cute Southwest paperweight with a 5 dollar bill under it. The implication was clear; the attendant was hoping for a 5 dollar tip for checking in the bags. My friend, a good tipper, "followed instructions" and put a $5 there. The guy quickly removed the second $5 and left the original one there. I put $2 under the paperweight. The attendant was quite polite and gracious and thanked me in the same fashion as my $5 friend.
Of course, if I went inside and checked the bags at the regular counter I never would have considered giving a tip. That person would have done the exact same job as the guy I tipped.
I am that guy who just wishes that tips were included, or if not, then a clear "guideline" so I didn't have to think about it. (Cruise ships do this).
Quote: SOOPOOLooking for another suspension? Waitress cried because you tipped her $1.50 instead of her usual $1.25? Why do you make this stuff up?
On a truthful note, I was flying home on Southwest last night. Went to curbside luggage check in. On the counter was a cute Southwest paperweight with a 5 dollar bill under it. The implication was clear; the attendant was hoping for a 5 dollar tip for checking in the bags. My friend, a good tipper, "followed instructions" and put a $5 there. The guy quickly removed the second $5 and left the original one there. I put $2 under the paperweight. The attendant was quite polite and gracious and thanked me in the same fashion as my $5 friend.
Of course, if I went inside and checked the bags at the regular counter I never would have considered giving a tip. That person would have done the exact same job as the guy I tipped.
I am that guy who just wishes that tips were included, or if not, then a clear "guideline" so I didn't have to think about it. (Cruise ships do this).
On Jet Blue, the outside bag attendants work for third party companies and make minimum wage with no benefits. Tipping them is strongly suggested. Go inside to the check-in and you deal with Jet Blue employees who make twice as much with flight benefits.
Outside bag check is a convenience that cuts down on the inside lines.
I don't know if SW works the same, I value my life too much to fly them and find out.
Officially, I'm an outside consultant but in reality I'm running Kazs two night clubs in the area. I get him to buy two tickets to the event, and at the last minute, his girl friend doesn't want to go so I get her ticket.
So we have a nice happy hour and proceed into the main room where he and I are seated with a couple of businessmen neither of us know. The waiter comes around and takes drink orders, then serves us a few minutes later. My boss lets everyone know this round is on him and he hands the waiter a bill of unseen denomination.Everyone gets a.chuckle out of it.
About twenty minutes goes by, and Kaz mentions the waiter never brought him his change. I'm puzzled and ask what he tipped the guy.
"I didn't t tip him anything yet", he says," I don't know how much the drinks were". It's an open bar I explain. The waiter thinks you tipped him $100.
Katz proceeds to tell me to go explain what happened to the waiter and get $80 back. The event seems understaffed and it is awhile before I spot the waiter not running around. I go over, sheepishly explain what happened and tell him my boss wants his money back.
Waiter claimed he only got a $20 tip and if my boss wants it back, he can come get it himself. He's pretty obstinate about not returning it, and my boss can be pigheaded when he has been drinking, which he has.
I know he is going to fly off the handle and make a.scene. I'm used to his tantrums but this is not the crowd nor the place to display such things. I make an executive decision and gave Kaz $80 out of my pocket and said the waiter understood the mix up.
Not the first time I had to cleanup his mess but thats why he paid me the big bucks.
Quote: SOOPOOLooking for another suspension? Waitress cried because you tipped her $1.50 instead of her usual $1.25? Why do you make this stuff up?
I didn't make this up. It really did happen, I promise. On a side note, my Mom gave a KFC Worker a dollar tip and he was overly grateful like she gave him a $100.
Quote: NathanI didn't make this up. It really did happen, I promise. On a side note, my Mom gave a KFC Worker a dollar tip and he was overly grateful like she gave him a $100.
That you CAN’T makeup!
Quote: BozThat you CAN’T makeup!
Are you being sarcastic or sincere? I honestly can't tell.
Quote: NathanAbout Denny's, I once inadvertently OVERTIPPED but thought I had inadvertently UNDERTIPPED. I had a meal of about $7 and gave the waitress $1.50 in tip(I had been wondering if I was supposed to give her $2 instead.). She was EXCITED and CRIED happy tears. Turns out I had given her a 22 percent tip, whereas most people give Denny's like 15 percent. So, I did better than I thought.
Nope never happened. A waitress cried for a quarter? At least make it believable.
Quote: billryanGeneral rule of thumb taught to me by an old Buffalo Soldier- If you can't get your point across in two sentences, don't bother. You don't have one.
Quote: PokerGrinderAt least make it believable.
(in your case)Quote: NathanAre you being sarcastic or sincere?
Quote: PokerGrinderNope never happened.
Quote: AxelWolf(in your case)
Quote: PokerGrinderNope never happened.
It really happened. I promise! I'm telling the real truth!
Quote: NathanQuote: AxelWolf(in your case)
Quote: PokerGrinderNope never happened.
It really happened. I promise! I'm telling the real truth!
So a waitress actually cried because she was so happy that you tipped her 1.50. Tears streaming down her face? Come on.
Quote: FinsRuleSouthwest has had 1 in air fatality.
How many air fatalities did Air Florida, TWA, or ValueJet have until they had their one fatal crash?
Quote: billryanHow many air fatalities did Air Florida, TWA, or ValueJet have until they had their one fatal crash?
They’ve been flying for 52 years. I’m thinking valuejet didn’t have that long of a history.
Quote: PokerGrinderNope never happened. A waitress cried for a quarter? At least make it believable.
It's even less believable if you think deeply about it. The waitress probably gets lots of $1 tips for the single eater, and plenty of $2 tips as well. There is NO WAY the waitress cries tears of joy over a tip of $1.50, or even $2 for that matter. The waitress WILL NOT EVEN NOTICE a tip of that size. Period. End of story.
The sad part of this is that Nathan could not even try to make it believable, and then comes back with the "proof", by saying, 'it did happen'.
Quote: billryanHow many air fatalities did Air Florida, TWA, or ValueJet have until they had their one fatal crash?
Isn't Southwest the safest airline? Billy, why do you think otherwise?
It was about ten years ago, and no one died so I guess it's okay.
In March 2008, FAA documents showed that SW had been flying planes that were out of certification. One particular plane was almost three years out of certification. I'm sure it was all just paperwork issues, not an apparent lack of regard for maintenance and passenger safety.
Then again, how did a pilot who was thrown out of the military with a
dishonorable discharge end up flying for Delta before he got arrested for multiple murders?
I fly Jet Blue and Air Lingus whenever possible. I used to fly America West but they really declined in the years before they merged.
Who cares if it's true or not? It's not unreasonable, I don't think, just to let something like that go and go on with the day.
Quote: Mission146RE: The tears of Nathan's waitress:
Who cares if it's true or not? It's not unreasonable, I don't think, just to let something like that go and go on with the day.
I think it's not unreasonable for you to not comment on my comment and just go on with the day! (I wish I knew how to add a smiley face emoji here......!)
Quote: FinsRuleQuote: NathanQuote: AxelWolf(in your case)
Quote: PokerGrinderNope never happened.
It really happened. I promise! I'm telling the real truth!
So a waitress actually cried because she was so happy that you tipped her 1.50. Tears streaming down her face? Come on.
Nathan suddenly remembers she was stepping on her toe at the same time.
The opposite at Capriotti's subs, they have a tip jar and when you put something in it they announce it to the other workers, I don't know if you get a better sub that way though.
YOU ARE SO NATHAN, like IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY!Quote: LusciousSweet2I'm pleasantly surprised my Tipping thread got 15 pages! Was not expecting it to go past 2 pages.
Quote: AxelWolfYOU ARE SO NATHAN, like IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY!
I am not Luscious Sweet, I am not Kentry, I am not Billy Bob Thornton!
Quote: NathanQuote: AxelWolfYOU ARE SO NATHAN, like IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY!
I am not Luscious Sweet, I am not Kentry, I am not Billy Bob Thornton!
Are you Dr. Lao?
Quote: NathanQuote: AxelWolfYOU ARE SO NATHAN, like IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY!
I am not Luscious Sweet, I am not Kentry, I am not Billy Bob Thornton!
Billy Bob? ...... can't wait to see those posts. Quit holding back and get started.
