Tipping etiquette?
Quote: LusciousSweet2What is the acceptable amount to tip everyone involved in the jackpot handpay? I won $20,000 on a lucky Royal Flush and I tipped the person who actually shut down the machine, got me paid, helped me with paperwork, etc, and was very nice to me about $1000. The two "witnesses,"however did basically nothing but verify the Jackpot with disengaged attitudes and I gave them $200 each out of courtesy. The "witnesses," gave me some of the the most disgusted looks I have ever seen in my life, as if conveying, "Where is OUR $1,000 cut?" No way in hell am I going to give two people $1,000 each just for basically just verifying a Jackpot. The person who got the $1,000 deserved every one of those dollars. I am wondering if $200 was way too high for the minimum effort they did. I am wondering if they each really deserved $20 instead.
I tip $20 on 10k and below and $100 on 20k and above. I may stop that soon and just let people do the job they are already getting paid for. That's total not per person.
Quote: FinsRuleThe person who got $1000 did not deserve every one of those dollars. That was just overly generous of you.
I felt it was right since he did a lot of work and was nice about it. I'm thinking I was overly generous with the $400 I gave the two sourpusses($200 each) who basically verified the jackpot.
I'm kind of shocked that the sour pusses were upset with $200. I almost wonder if you misread them. There is no way they are routinely getting more than that. Going into your $10/hr job and getting $200 in cash should put a smile on your face.
I'm only peripherally involved in the world of machines but I've worked in a casino for years and have played thousands of hours of poker. Never seen someone turn their nose up at such a generous tip, or even a pretty reasonable one. Most people are professional enough to at least keep a false smile going for a bad tip.
Not only rude, but stupid of them. A great way to discourage tipping is to make the tipper feel bad.
For reference, I tip 15% -20%, to waiters/waitresses, although I tipped 30% last night to one that went out of her way to do something for us. I tip 10% to buffet server.
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A hand-pay is a service I don't even want, so I give only enough to fulfill the convention part -- $20 a few times on bigger jackpots ($3 to $5k) and $10 on the smaller ones. I've seen places hand pay on under $1200. They would just get some pointed questions about why the machine locked up when that doesn't happen anywhere else in the city. For $20,000 I would give at least $100, maybe $200 and make sure to say loudly "this is for everyone who helped." I never tip at the casino cage or the bank. Rarely sit at the table games long enough anymore to where not tipping would make me feel out of place. So only do it if I end up with white chips and I'm winning. At 7-11 when the coffee is relatively fresh, there's splenda packets and milk and the counter is clean, I'll leave a dollar or two for the workers for their service (and even if it's not, it's probably because they're busy so still give them $1), though that seems to go against what everyone else does. Whenever I have trouble with something at the self-checkout line in the grocery store I always remind myself to give a dollar the next time, but never done it yet. Maybe now I'll start.
(drinks from the bar are $1, sit down restaurants are roughly 20%, buffets and haircuts are $5, been over 10 years since my last tattoo so no idea on that one)
I’ll usually tip $20-$37 for a handpay between 3-9k some slot dogs act like they’re surprised they get anything, some look at you like you slept with their mother.
Quote: AxelWolfI don't understand why people tip so much at buffets? Then again, I normally only get one drink and I don't bother them for anything else. In my situation, I can't see why $2 per person is not sufficient.
I don't understand why we're expected to tip so much at other restaurants. Taking my order to the kitchen and then picking up my food from them isn't a service I care to pay for. I do the same thing at In-and-Out and enjoy my meal as much as when someone else does it for me. The buffet servers are also clearing plates away throughout the meal, which requires more trips to the table than what typical servers have to make
usually more if I frequent the place
usually more if there's longevity purposes
usually less if I'm still down
usually less if the jackpot is over 10k
none if it's <1200 and for some reason its a handpay
none if it's >1200 and it's not a win. example when you cashout like 3k+ at some places its a handpay
Quote: WatchMeWinBefore I started dating Asians, I would tip masseuses at least $100 for a $50 massage. Just sayin...
You ever run into Robert Kraft?
On a $100. table my tips might start out with a red $5. chip for the dealer, but if I'm on a good run and pressed up to a thousand or two thousand a hand, I will put a black chip $100. or even $150. or $200. for the dealer to win (times two).
I'll also hand the cashier something if I am cashing out over, say, five grand.
Back when I was a much bigger player, after one night of play a few of the dealers, who were friends of mine, told me that I had tipped out $10,000. that night. I wasn't even aware I had tipped out that much; it adds up fast. They told me that they had received $40. each just from my tip (pooled among 250 dealers, I believe that casino pooled among its entire staff not just per shift).
I didn't even end up winning ten grand myself that night. I tipped out a bit more than I won! I just kept going up and down, and then placing dealer bets alongside mine each time I started moving back up.
Also that same night some guy started hanging at the table with me, and giving me encouragement, "couching" my bets, not helping at all really, but making it seem like he was. I was too tired to tell him to get lost. By morning he started crying about how he couldn't pay his rent and I gave him a purple $500. chip. He actually asked me to break it for him into black I guess he was worried the cage wouldn't cash a purple for him. What nerve! lol I guess I was a bit of a mark that night, that and other experiences with hustlers have made me draw a hard line with never playing with any strangers not allowing any hangers on when I am gambling. Also I don't play all night anymore; these days I am almost exclusively a daytime player.
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When I got the hand, Straight Flush to a Jack, was not a 100% sure it would hold up because about 15min left in that rolling promotion every 30 min. So just tipped the standard 1 buck for winning the chips in the pot
It did hold up eventually and by the time I was paid off, the dealer already switched tables
I thought cool, don't have to tip :-)
If casinos would rather make a big show of paying players on the floor in order to encourage other people to gamble, then that's their decision. But LOL at the thought of me tipping for that "service". They should be paying me for my time since I'm helping them advertise.
Further, if I ever handed someone two hundred dollar bills as a tip and saw any hint of a disgusted look, I'd immediately state "Sorry, I meant to give you two singles. Please give those back now."
For the record, I tip on average 20% at restaurants. 15% Uber, $3 minimum. I leave $5 daily for housekeeping. I tip $1/pot poker. I tip table game dealers. $1/drink bartender, $2 if it's a non trivial mixed drink. I'd say I'm your run of the mill average tipper for most things. The thought of tipping on a handpay is anathema to me.
Quote: sabre...For the record, I tip on average 20% at restaurants. 15% Uber, $3 minimum. I leave $5 daily for housekeeping. I tip $1/pot poker. I tip table game dealers. $1/drink bartender, $2 if it's a non trivial mixed drink. I'd say I'm your run of the mill average tipper for most things. The thought of tipping on a handpay is anathema to me.
$5 per day for housekeeping seems overly generous to me, but I'm a flea. What do others tip per day for standard housekeeping?
Quote: Ayecarumba$5 per day for housekeeping seems overly generous to me, but I'm a flea. What do others tip per day for standard housekeeping?
I pay whatever price the hotel and I agree upon. Housekeeping is included in the price. Hopefully, they pay their housekeepers enough to keep them around.
This envelope for tips in casino resort hotels with the name of the maid on it is something relatively new I think. Maybe in the past decade?
I'd never stiff them. That's a hard job. I want people providing me with labor to be well compensated.
The beauty of tipping is that it circumvents market preasures and makes this possible.
Quote: Ayecarumba$5 per day for housekeeping seems overly generous to me, but I'm a flea. What do others tip per day for standard housekeeping?
Couple of bucks. I usually don't get daily maid service so I tip when I check out. Usually leave whatever change or small tickets plus something.
If I'm in the casino, then whoever handles the payout gets all 1% to split amongst all who show up to witness.
They don't tip me when I lose, so I don't feel guilty about being a bit stingy.
Quote: MaxPenI pay whatever price the hotel and I agree upon. Housekeeping is included in the price. Hopefully, they pay their housekeepers enough to keep them around.
Is this view consistent with tipping food and drink servers?
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I leave $5 at the end of a stay (so usually $5 per night, sometimes $2.50 or $1.66). My thinking is if the price of the hotel was $5 more I still would have booked it and never thought twice. So giving that money directly to a worker is by far more efficient.
Quote: TomGIs this view consistent with tipping food and drink servers?
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I leave $5 at the end of a stay (so usually $5 per night, sometimes $2.50 or $1.66). My thinking is if the price of the hotel was $5 more I still would have booked it and never thought twice. So giving that money directly to a worker is by far more efficient.
No, I tip servers 20% and $1 a drink.
Quote: WizardEuropeans and Asians I speak to say they don't get the tipping culture here and is stresses them out because they don't know how much to tip to whom. They are right. Wouldn't it be nice if people were paid a fair wage according to whatever they do and tipping was truly optional and not expected. Even the word "gratuity" is a variant of "gratuitous," meaning beyond was is expected.
Will never happen in this country.
Moreover, if pizza place A charges $20 for a pizza and pays workers well and pizza place b charges $17 and treats employees like trash, there's not really any way for you to know about it. Even if you like the principles of place A you'll probably just get the cheapest pizza, not knowing.
Tipping is awesome cuz you just pay the person serving you directly. Most people pay a fair wage, having to look em in the eye and all.
A few scumbags cheat the system and there is a special place in hell for them. But on the whole, people who work for tips do better than those who don't.
It's even good for employers cuz they get well compensated, motivated employees who make more than they could afford to pay.
Uber's biggest mistake imo was discouraging tipping, on the belief it was a zero sum game in which they wanted to beat their workers. It's not.
Quote: RigondeauxWill never happen in this country.
Moreover, if pizza place A charges $20 for a pizza and pays workers well and pizza place b charges $17 and treats employees like trash, there's not really any way for you to know about it. Even if you like the principles of place A you'll probably just get the cheapest pizza, not knowing.
Tipping is awesome cuz you just pay the person serving you directly. Most people pay a fair wage, having to look em in the eye and all.
A few scumbags cheat the system and there is a special place in hell for them. But on the whole, people who work for tips do better than those who don't.
It's even good for employers cuz they get well compensated, motivated employees who make more than they could afford to pay.
Uber's biggest mistake imo was discouraging tipping, on the belief it was a zero sum game in which they wanted to beat their workers. It's not.
Why should I pay more for a job I expect to meet a certain standard anyway? There should be an option box. You want extra special service, or standard service. You pay for standard service it should meet a acceptable standard. You want special, you tip.
I mean, if you're just so mentally slow that you look at a menu and can't figure out what a 20% increase is on what you're ordering, then I don't even know what to say, other than your voice probably shouldn't be heard on this. Not to mention, if a 20% increase in price is going to kill ya when the bill comes AND you're unable to do quickmaffs in your head ahead of time...oooof.
So I really don't know what people are arguing over. It seems like they just want to get rid of tipping so that (from the patron's perspective), everything is the same. A $100 menu item that costs $100 on menu + $20 tip, is now just going to be $120 on the menu + $0 tip. Impressive, big wow! And the waiter that was making (let's say for example) $1/hour base wage + $24/hour in tips is now going to be making....wait for it....wait....for....it.....he's still going to be making $25/hour. Huzzah, we did it guys!!!!! Much change!
Unfortunately, that's not entirely what would happen if tipping suddenly disappeared. Instead of food going from $100 to $120, it'd go from $100 to $125. Nice, food is now more expensive. Cool. Oh and the waiter isn't going to be making ($1 + $24)/hour anymore, he's going to get a flat $15-20/hour wage. Where do you think that extra $5 on your meal or that $5-10/hour fewer the waiter is making goes? Hmmmm.....
And the kicker, of course, is that as a whole, customer service is going to go down. I don't know about you, but I like it when the waiter is busting his ass refilling my drink after it's halfway down. I don't know what's motivating the waiter to do that, I have noooooooo idea. I'm sure if we pay him less and guarantee the pay, instead of it being dependent on the customer's tip, the service will either be the same or better! Yeah guys, that's it!!!
Finally -- would you rather be forced to pay an extra 20-25% on your meal or would you rather have the option to pay or not pay that extra amount? Let's say your service is just absolutely horrendous.
Quote: RigondeauxWill never happen in this country.
Moreover, if pizza place A charges $20 for a pizza and pays workers well and pizza place b charges $17 and treats employees like trash, there's not really any way for you to know about it. Even if you like the principles of place A you'll probably just get the cheapest pizza, not knowing.
Tipping is awesome cuz you just pay the person serving you directly. Most people pay a fair wage, having to look em in the eye and all.
A few scumbags cheat the system and there is a special place in hell for them. But on the whole, people who work for tips do better than those who don't.
It's even good for employers cuz they get well compensated, motivated employees who make more than they could afford to pay.
Uber's biggest mistake imo was discouraging tipping, on the belief it was a zero sum game in which they wanted to beat their workers. It's not.
Quote: AxelWolf
While traveling, me and another person went to Denny's because it was the best option at the time. It was really busy at the time. Even so, the waitress had our drink order before we even sat down and she had it on the table lickety-split. She was cute, well groomed very nice(but not in a fake way). She was very efficient and seemed intelligent, all while covering many tables. I thought, WOW!, this girl should be working a much better paying job. Hopefully, some business owner will notice what I did and nap her up. It's people like that who deserved to be over tipped and the rest of them should be tipped way less.
Quote: AxelWolfWent to Wolf and Sparrow with my wife a while back. Or is it Sparrow and wolf? Who cares. Paid too much, and I didn't like the food at all, but that's just me. I will say, the desert was really really good! The waitress was snide when we didn't order enough food, since I guess it's tapas style. We tipped 13% anyways, I regret it just because I shouldn't feel obligated out of guilt.
While traveling, me and another person went to Denny's because it was the best option at the time. It was really busy at the time. Even so, the waitress had our drink order before we even sat down and she had it on the table lickety-split. She was cute, well groomed very nice(but not in a fake way). She was very efficient and seemed intelligent, all while covering many tables. I thought, WOW!, this girl should be working a much better paying job. Hopefully, some business owner will notice what I did and nap her up. It's people like that who deserved to be over tipped and the rest of them should be tipped way less.
The first Waitress that was rude deserved at most 3 percent tip. 😒😣 These faces were the most negative faces I could find to convey what I feel about the first Waitress. The second Waitress who was efficient,smart, and nice etc, deserved the inverse of the 13 percent you gave the horrible Waitress, so 31 percent. 😁😃
Quote: RSI still haven't ever heard a single legitimate reason why we should get rid of tipping (at restaurants). The idea is to bump up prices then pay waiters a "livable wage". How is that ANY DIFFERENT than how things already are? We are literally bumping up the prices ourselves (tipping) and giving that to the waiter and he makes a livable income from that.
The idea is to make a better experience for the customer. For me, that would happen by letting management negotiate wages with their employees instead of forcing their customers to do it. I'm going to tip just over 20% and almost never have I seen service that made me deviate from that. And that's on the high end. So every time I go to a restaurant, I'm hit in the face with the idea that I'm subsidizing the wages for the cheapskates and foreigners.
Quote: RSAnd the kicker, of course, is that as a whole, customer service is going to go down. I don't know about you, but I like it when the waiter is busting his ass refilling my drink after it's halfway down. I don't know what's motivating the waiter to do that, I have noooooooo idea. I'm sure if we pay him less and guarantee the pay, instead of it being dependent on the customer's tip, the service will either be the same or better! Yeah guys, that's it!!!
The reason I can't buy this theory is because we tip at the end of a meal, so no matter what I tip, it would have no effect on the service I get. Based on this logic, if tips improve service, that means the service I receive is based on whatever the previous guys paid. And whatever I pay is essentially paying for the service the next customers. If anyone really felt this way, the argument should be that we should tip at the beginning of the meal.
Quote: RSFinally -- would you rather be forced to pay an extra 20-25% on your meal or would you rather have the option to pay or not pay that extra amount? Let's say your service is just absolutely horrendous.
It doesn't feel optional, which goes back to how it effects the customer experience. It makes me feel like a piece of shit if I don't tip. One change that would seem to satisfy everyone involved would be to have tipping customary, but not provide the bulk of servers wages. A lot of tipped jobs are like that. Maybe $1 per plate. And leaving $10 instead of $5 would be a more noticeable way to show appreciation for their service instead of going from 18% to 22%.\
It's also curious that no one will ever make this case for almost any other line of work.
Quote: TomGThe idea is to make a better experience for the customer. For me, that would happen by letting management negotiate wages with their employees instead of forcing their customers to do it. I'm going to tip just over 20% and almost never have I seen service that made me deviate from that. And that's on the high end. So every time I go to a restaurant, I'm hit in the face with the idea that I'm subsidizing the wages for the cheapskates and foreigners.
What experience for the customer are you talking about? I have no idea how my experience would be better if management negotiated wages with their employees instead of me tipping. I'm not so worried about figuring out what 20% of my bill is...but if you think your experience would be better to be forced to pay that 20% instead of optionally, despite the level of service, idk what to say.
Side bar: If they're going to be free to negotiate wages, can we finally get rid of minimum wage?
Note: Minimum wage laws still apply. If a 'tipped employee' doesn't meet the $8.25/hr (after tips) or whatever minimum wage is, the employer is required to pay the difference.
I say let the market decide -- and so far, the market has decided that it's acceptable for people to work for practically nothing knowing they're very likely going to get tips from the customers. If an employee wants to work for $1/hr and the boss agrees, let them. AFAIK, strippers have to PAY to work.
Quote: TomGThe reason I can't buy this theory is because we tip at the end of a meal, so no matter what I tip, it would have no effect on the service I get. Based on this logic, if tips improve service, that means the service I receive is based on whatever the previous guys paid. And whatever I pay is essentially paying for the service the next customers. If anyone really felt this way, the argument should be that we should tip at the beginning of the meal.
"If I do a good job, they'll tip me more", I would say, is probably common thought for wait staff. At least that was part of my mentality when I used to deal table games. To be honest, I didn't really care about tips (hustling) that much because total tips at end of the pay period were very consistent. If you tip hotel maids, do you tip at the beginning or the end of your stay? That's a rhetorical question, btw.
Quote: TomGIt doesn't feel optional, which goes back to how it effects the customer experience. It makes me feel like a piece of shit if I don't tip. One change that would seem to satisfy everyone involved would be to have tipping customary, but not provide the bulk of servers wages. A lot of tipped jobs are like that. Maybe $1 per plate. And leaving $10 instead of $5 would be a more noticeable way to show appreciation for their service instead of going from 18% to 22%.\
It's also curious that no one will ever make this case for almost any other line of work.
It absolutely is optional and IMO you shouldn't just flat out always tip 20% and ESPECIALLY NOT when the service is bad (it just reinforces the "I can do a bad job and still get tipped" idea some people have). I usually try to tip around 20%, assuming the service is adequate. But if I'm having a real expensive meal, it's probably going to be closer to 15%. If I'm at a diner or something like that and my total is $7, I'm probably gonna leave $3. Other factors, as well -- like if we've finished our meal but hung out and talked for an extra 30-45 minutes after.
If the service is truly bad, then just don't leave a tip. It's not often, but I've done that plenty of times. I also wouldn't be opposed if it was customary to tip based on # of plates/dishes/glasses/etc. being served as opposed to a % of the bill...although I more or less do that at buffets (no way in hell am I tipping $40+ for a party of 4 at the bacchanal that has a $200 bill).
Theoretical question -- let's say the government passed a law saying that tipping is to be 100% outlawed in restaurants and the "tipped staff wage" or w/e it's called is abolished, so they would have to get paid at least state/fed. minimum wage....how do you think restaurants and their staffs would react? As in, do food prices go up, and if so, how much? Are waiters now going to be making minimum wage ($8.25/hr or so), or do you think it'll be higher? Do you think their income would be the same, lower, or higher than before (when including tips)? And do you think restaurants would take advantage of this, by increasing their menu prices more than is needed to pay the increase in wages (EG: Your meal is $5 more and the waiter is making $5 less, restaurant pockets the difference)?
Mine was the mule ride down the Bright Angel trail at the Grand Canyon
Had such a great time, tipped the tour guides a 20 dollar bill.
Also took a small boat ride around the Hong Kong harbor looking at the "junk" boats
Boat was small , just holds a few people. Cant remember what I tipped but I did tip
Quote: AxelWolfWhile traveling, me and another person went to Denny's because it was the best option at the time. It was really busy at the time. Even so, the waitress had our drink order before we even sat down and she had it on the table lickety-split. She was cute, well groomed very nice(but not in a fake way). She was very efficient and seemed intelligent, all while covering many tables. I thought, WOW!, this girl should be working a much better paying job. Hopefully, some business owner will notice what I did and nap her up. It's people like that who deserved to be over tipped and the rest of them should be tipped way less.
You are exposing your vulnerable side. You actually have some heart!
What bothers me is having to tip for services right and left. Paying on jackpots is the perfect example. If I didn't get any special treatment, why am I expected to tip for a service I never asked for? Especially if it took a long time to get paid. I'm not saying there should be a ban on tipping, out of respect of the free market, but if I ran a restaurant, for example, I would would make it clear that prices were increased by 18% as a service fee and tipping was truly not expected.
Quote: RSbut I like it when the waiter is busting his ass refilling my drink after it's halfway down.
Yeah, but why your idea sucks here.
That waiter doesn't know if you're are actually going to pay him a good tip. He hopes you do, but you're so called great idea of tipping guarantees him ZILCH. Why should he not get what he deserves when he deserves it?
I'm fine with paying extra for people doing extra when I want it. He or she makes money; I get exactly what I want.
Start tipping road workers.Quote: billryanAfter you folks fix the problem with tipping, can you do something about potholes?
Quote: WizardI personally don't have much of an issue tipping in restaurants, but I know it causes friction among the waitresses. Hostesses can tell which customers are likely to tip better and can steer them to the table of a friend. Then again, the waitresses who get tipped well, probably because of certain physical features, probably like the status quo.
What bothers me is having to tip for services right and left. Paying on jackpots is the perfect example. If I didn't get any special treatment, why am I expected to tip for a service I never asked for? Especially if it took a long time to get paid. I'm not saying there should be a ban on tipping, out of respect of the free market, but if I ran a restaurant, for example, I would would make it clear that prices were increased by 18% as a service fee and tipping was truly not expected.
Firstly, I don't really see tipping as something I "have to" do. Generosity is a self rewarding virtue. It makes me happy to know that the guy who brought my pizza or whatever made a nice wage for doing so, because of me. I'm glad that waiters, bar tenders, cocktail wiatreses, dealers, etc. etc. can afford a decent lifestyle, instead of hovering around the poverty line like big box or fast food workers. AND, it's good for my business and many others that these people have discresionary income! They lose to me at poker. They can afford to eat out, or buy their kids a play station. I'm sure it helps to alleviate many social ills as well.
I think more jobs should be tipped. I mentioned Uber. There's lots of trouble because they are raising prices, slashing compensation and STILL losing money.
Having driven for Uber, if they had encouraged people to tip $3-5 from the jump, they could pay drivers even less than they do and it would be a pretty solid job. The quality of drivers and cars would be higher. The service would be safer.
I think, perhaps being tech nerds who think in spread sheets, they made the false assumption that people only care about the total cost of the service, regardless of where it goes. So they wanted to keep the "tip" portion of the price for themselves. But they were wrong. Most people are happy to pay an extra amount, IF THEY KNOW, it allows the person who is serving them, and talking to them and looking them in the eye, to live in a decent place and put food on the table.
They are not so excited to give an extra $5 to wealthy venture capitalists.
So... what if it was customary to cough up $1 per fast food order? Maybe as little as 25 cents when you bought something in a 7-11? And the prices of the goods were a little cheaper because employers could pay significantly less?
Just a thought. Haven't really thought it through. But, I think the end result would be a lot more good paying jobs, better service, it might cost you slightly more but not much, and all of these workers would now have money to pump in the economy and maintain stable families/home lives
Might seem far fetched. But again, this is exactly what happens with dealers, bartenders, waiters, etc. etc. .
Quote: Ayecarumba$5 per day for housekeeping seems overly generous to me, but I'm a flea. What do others tip per day for standard housekeeping?
Five bucks, end of stay. I usually do not get stayover service, though. Also, as many of my stays as not are one night.
Quote: MaxPenI pay whatever price the hotel and I agree upon. Housekeeping is included in the price. Hopefully, they pay their housekeepers enough to keep them around.
"More than nothing," is usually enough to keep them around, often minimum wage. I hope your room doesn't look like the rooms of some AP's I know by the time you leave, or you should really consider tipping more than nothing.
