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March 6th, 2019 at 11:12:05 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

You've never had Arthritis apparently



Actually I broke my wrist in 96 and
the doc told me to expect arthritis
there later. Dang if he wasn't correct.
In my hands too when they get cold.
Should I kill myself?
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March 6th, 2019 at 11:21:19 AM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

What would the "authorities" do? Serious question, as I don't have a clue.



They could start by doing a wellness check. Of course, if he is still living where he was last year, the police might need a SWAT team to enter the property.
A conversation with an Officer will determine if there is anything they can do.
I don't think this is the time to suspend him, it's time to help him if possible. Suspensions can come later.
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March 6th, 2019 at 11:21:56 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Actually I broke my wrist in 96 and
the doc told me to expect arthritis
there later. Dang if he wasn't correct.
In my hands too when they get cold.
Should I kill myself?



Start a poll.
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March 6th, 2019 at 11:27:20 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Once again I STRONGLY disagree with the Wiz and other Moderators here. Any poster threatening suicide, and make no bones about it, that is what ZK has done, now multiple times, would not be welcome on my internet forum. If I had knowledge of his actual identity I would report him to the authorities. You have offered various forms of help many times, to no avail.



I mean, anyone who knows his identity and takes it upon themselves to try to help him would be perfectly understandable to me. I honestly don't see what ostracizing him from the Forum does if he is using it as an outlet. If I had his phone number or anything, I'd certainly have called him by now to check up.

I think he really just needs someone to listen to him without being judgmental, but a one-on-one setting is definitely a good environment for that. Having a place to speak here is probably better than nothing, though.
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March 6th, 2019 at 11:35:38 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Once again I STRONGLY disagree with the Wiz and other Moderators here. Any poster threatening suicide, and make no bones about it, that is what ZK has done, now multiple times, would not be welcome on my internet forum. If I had knowledge of his actual identity I would report him to the authorities. You have offered various forms of help many times, to no avail.

Thanks, but no thanks. We moderate a forum, not society as a whole.
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March 6th, 2019 at 11:39:19 AM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

What would the "authorities" do? Serious question, as I don't have a clue.



I don't know for sure either. But I think if you are made aware someone may do harm to himself or others, and notify the authorities, they will at least contact that person and do some form of investigation. How much they can do, I don't know. What I do know is that a forum I owned would not allow multiple threats of suicide from a poster.
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March 6th, 2019 at 11:41:25 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Thanks, but no thanks. We moderate a forum, not society as a whole.

And bear in mind, He's not currently suspended so he's well placed to reach back to those who've expressed concern for him.
Ultimately this forum gives him a platform and a support network of sorts.
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March 6th, 2019 at 11:45:12 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Actually I broke my wrist in 96 and
the doc told me to expect arthritis
there later. Dang if he wasn't correct.
In my hands too when they get cold.
Should I kill myself?



No. But you should post a long winded dramatic attention seeking rant.
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March 6th, 2019 at 11:54:56 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

What I do know is that a forum I owned would not allow multiple threats of suicide from a poster.



As someone who used to man a
suicide hotline, people who make
multiple threats to do it, often
make good on it. They're just
trying to get up the nerve. Of
course, many are just doing it
for the attention.. Six of one...
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March 6th, 2019 at 12:17:49 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Once again I STRONGLY disagree with the Wiz and other Moderators here. Any poster threatening suicide, and make no bones about it, that is what ZK has done, now multiple times, would not be welcome on my internet forum. If I had knowledge of his actual identity I would report him to the authorities. You have offered various forms of help many times, to no avail.



I agree.
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March 6th, 2019 at 12:18:49 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Thanks, but no thanks. We moderate a forum, not society as a whole.



Then his suspension should not be lifted.
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March 6th, 2019 at 1:20:34 PM permalink
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Then his suspension should not be lifted.

Well, I'm blessed with the discretion to do so and I've done so. What he makes of that and what he makes of the supportive, friendly comments here, is his choice.
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March 6th, 2019 at 3:54:39 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

One of the finest advantage players I ever knew told me early on that he came to LV to be a card counter and promptly lost a big chunk of his $60k initial bankroll as a card counter before learning about hole-carding. He recounted one time he got so frustrated by his losses that he punched out his own car window. This is back in the days of the amazing single-deck games at the Horseshoe, late 90's. Later he would go on to wager table maximum per hand at hole-card games, and look at his early card counting days with compassion. His losses quickly turned to huge wins.

I am sure that ZK has been reviewed and observed multiple times by the top teams in and around LV. If he was any good he would have been contacted by them. The fact that he is still out solo counting cards says everything about who he is.



Oh really, 'im no good'? And you're sure I've been 'reviewed by top teams' in LV? You got any proof of those statements or do you need to fabricate garbage just to support your fallacious arguments? Go ahead and tell me how many casinos ive been kicked out of as well as trespassed, them get back to me. Then after you're done go tell any of these idiots on these teams that ill outperform any single one of them in speed and accuracy as well as amount of indices used and this is all using a Level 3 count while they use Hilo and ill still run circles around them. Next, ask me the last time I worked a normal job and then ask every other solo blackjack player in the universe including the idiots on these big teams if this is their sole way they make a living and how much they made solo or what their ROI is or better yet ask them if they even have money on them and are not broke. A lot of people can talk blackjack theory and act like experts, meanwhile theyre sitting in their office working for someone else instead of playing and relying on blackjack to put food on the table. I wonder why?

Go ahead, tell me how much you've made in your lifetime playing blackjack solo for you to be trying to criticize someone you dont know? Last time I checked, you failed miserably and quit just like every wannabe counter. Go tell your mafia friends in this mob ridden city to keep cheating because they still cant take me down even with me underperforming EV by half, I still wont quit. Even with the whole central strip rigged out of their minds, i still make money and still havent lost half my bankroll in 2 years EVEN with over 35k in expenses? I mean seriously? I never even played one hand of a single or double deck in my life and ive made close to 60k in 1350 hours with an average bet of only $150 playing strictly 6 and 8 deck games, i mean seriously? Who else can say that?

Not to mention never getting one handout and never having one credit card in my life and built this bankroll up from scratch with 2 minimum wage jobs and playing on the side after work. I even started my career 600 hours breakeven and I still didnt quit and kept going. Im in a league of my own cause if anyone else ran as bad as me not just in blackjack but in life after making the right choices in life time after time and always getting the short end of the stick in everything they do, they wouldve either quit or committed suicide a long time ago.

You dont know two $*its about me so i suggest you stay quiet and stick to the math and computer instead and keep helping out your immoral mafia scumbags who run this city. Tell gaming I said hi as well and tell every single person running these casinos to expect me until I die cause ill keep coming back every single time.
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March 6th, 2019 at 3:55:23 PM permalink
And for all the other idiots misconstruing my story, this has nothig to do with my door handle breaking on the SAME DAY, but the fact that divine intervention is out to get me as soon as i do anything remotely unethical. I wasnt complaining about the actual door handle breaking but what happened after i decided to not go back after seeing the mechanic. I mean when was the last time i ever dropped 2800 betting 2x150 in 2 hours. Go ahead, tell me. For it to coincide exactly after thiw mechanic incident story, just goes to show you how much divine intwrvention is wathing every single move I do and trolling me to no end. And if this isnt sivine intervention, then my life is one big ******* troll for it to always coincide with these incidents just to piss me off even more.

The funny thing is, i didnt even do anything bad to the mechanic, the message was relayed by the girl at the front desk who said to come back with the part and it will be 50. I dont know of the context of how it was stated by the mechanic to the girl and if he was giving me the 'choice' to come back or not or if that was the deal for not charging me that day. Either way he originally wanted to scam me 100 for a 15 minute job so in fact he was the one that deaerved bad karma and i had to smooth talk my way in. He knew damn well this was an easy job to inspect. And for him to charge me $50 is implying he is still trying to charge me $25 a piece from the first visit since it was a 15 min job.

Not to mention my phone now cant hold a charge for more than 5 minutes and have to buy a new phone and my car is falling apart everywhere. New fuel sensor needed, fender liners broke off, washer fluid reservoir broken and no washer fluid now, phone is broken, key fob is broken, leather seat in srivers seat is now peeling and need new covers, door handle needs to be replaced. It's just expenses after ******* expenses and thr biggest of all underperformimg EV by HALF.

To all you people on here who are well off, this might all sound petty to you, but put yourself in my position who grew their bankroll organically to 60k through hard work and perseverance with no handouts just to come out here and then trying to grow their bankroll for the past 2 years running like complete dog$*** and expwnses draining me down, not to mention divine intervention constantly screwing with me and taking me down if i decide to take extra fries or a burger from a mcdonalds after receiving the wrong order or something as petty as the mechanic thing or whatever else happens in my joke of a life. Anybody else wouldve killed themselves by now, just ridiculous trolling by this simulation and whoever is pulling the strings for my life. Wheres all my GOOD KARMA? WHERE? But as soon as i pick up a dollar off the floor or a quarter the world falls on me. Cracks me up.

Also dont compare me to africans who are starving for food and water, thats completely difderent. Everything is relative. Put those africans in my position and they would be complaining too.
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March 6th, 2019 at 4:08:34 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Well, I'm blessed with the discretion to do so and I've done so. What he makes of that and what he makes of the supportive, friendly comments here, is his choice.



I've been otherwise occupied the last day or so, and missed being asked to weigh in on a timely basis. So I'll say now that I support ODs initial suspension for cause, and I support his reversal after reconsideration.

While none of us knows what someone is thinking for sure, I have met ZK several times. I have come to think that this forum provides an outlet for him that has become essential as a relief valve, and while none of us are qualified counselors, he seems to roll with both the positive and negative correspondence.

He is not alone in this. I could name at least another couple dozen people, including myself, who participate here for emotional relief and support to some degree or other. He has become a somewhat hermetic and erratic regular among many of us IRL. And in that context, he's decent company, not ranting, not arrogant, not blathering (he's quite reticent).

I don't think he's crying wolf, but I think we are a more important connection to people who understand some aspects of his life than he might care to admit. And so, while he needs to do a better job of respecting the forum rules, and stop throwing them in our faces (verbal "cutting" behavior in my unskilled opinion), we should probably just edit the f-bombs and perhaps give him a designated rant corner like Nathan has, since that.precedent has been set.

I can tell you all, after having met or corresponded at length with about 150 of you now, that there is not a single person who I would consider "normal" in the sense of being beyond criticism for quirks. This is, over all, in your favor. Who needs to be a Ken doll? Who needs average intelligence or a boring life.

So, there is a place for ZK here, I think, and over the couple years he's been posting arrogance and frustration, I've come to look at it as the occasional toddler tantrum on the kitchen floor. Yeah, ZK, you could do some growing up and count your blessings more, but Eeyore had a place in Pooh's Corner, too. Just quit the f-bombs, 'kay? We see you.
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March 6th, 2019 at 4:19:17 PM permalink
I just realized the donkey's name is Eeyore, not Igor, and his name is that (I'd assume) because that's the sound donkeys make.
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March 6th, 2019 at 4:32:27 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I've been otherwise occupied the last day or so, and missed being asked to weigh in on a timely basis. So I'll say now that I support ODs initial suspension for cause, and I support his reversal after reconsideration.

While none of us knows what someone is thinking for sure, I have met ZK several times. I have come to think that this forum provides an outlet for him that has become essential as a relief valve, and while none of us are qualified counselors, he seems to roll with both the positive and negative correspondence.

He is not alone in this. I could name at least another couple dozen people, including myself, who participate here for emotional relief and support to some degree or other. He has become a somewhat hermetic and erratic regular among many of us IRL. And in that context, he's decent company, not ranting, not arrogant, not blathering (he's quite reticent).

I don't think he's crying wolf, but I think we are a more important connection to people who understand some aspects of his life than he might care to admit. And so, while he needs to do a better job of respecting the forum rules, and stop throwing them in our faces (verbal "cutting" behavior in my unskilled opinion), we should probably just edit the f-bombs and perhaps give him a designated rant corner like Nathan has, since that.precedent has been set.

I can tell you all, after having met or corresponded at length with about 150 of you now, that there is not a single person who I would consider "normal" in the sense of being beyond criticism for quirks. This is, over all, in your favor. Who needs to be a Ken doll? Who needs average intelligence or a boring life.

So, there is a place for ZK here, I think, and over the couple years he's been posting arrogance and frustration, I've come to look at it as the occasional toddler tantrum on the kitchen floor. Yeah, ZK, you could do some growing up and count your blessings more, but Eeyore had a place in Pooh's Corner, too. Just quit the f-bombs, 'kay? We see you.



His original D-Day thread which he posted right before leaving for Vegas had sorta become ZenKings version of Nathan’s corner for a while. That was where he posted everything regarding both setbacks and successes , maybe just rename that ZenKings Corner, since it already has his story from the beginning.
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March 6th, 2019 at 4:38:03 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

And for all the other idiots misconstruing my story,.



'Idiot's', really? I get it, you're
your own worst enemy. Calling
us idiots could almost be taken
as an insult.
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March 6th, 2019 at 4:49:54 PM permalink
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And for all the other idiots misconstruing my story,



Personal insult. You also squandered the second chance we gave you on the profanity forgiveness, so I'm going to reverse the reversal on that. Two-week suspension.

On a personal note, you know my number and I'm happy to chat. I am seriously worried about you. I do hope this time out will help you.
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March 6th, 2019 at 4:50:22 PM permalink
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Oh really, 'im no good'? And you're sure I've been 'reviewed by top teams' in LV? You got any proof of those statements or do you need to fabricate garbage just to support your fallacious arguments? Go ahead and tell me how many casinos ive been kicked out of as well as trespassed, them get back to me. Then after you're done go tell any of these idiots on these teams that ill outperform any single one of them in speed and accuracy as well as amount of indices used and this is all using a Level 3 count while they use Hilo and ill still run circles around them. Next, ask me the last time I worked a normal job and then ask every other solo blackjack player in the universe including the idiots on these big teams if this is their sole way they make a living and how much they made solo or what their ROI is or better yet ask them if they even have money on them and are not broke. A lot of people can talk blackjack theory and act like experts, meanwhile theyre sitting in their office working for someone else instead of playing and relying on blackjack to put food on the table. I wonder why?

Go ahead, tell me how much you've made in your lifetime playing blackjack solo for you to be trying to criticize someone you dont know? Last time I checked, you failed miserably and quit just like every wannabe counter. Go tell your mafia friends in this mob ridden city to keep cheating because they still cant take me down even with me underperforming EV by half, I still wont quit. Even with the whole central strip rigged out of their minds, i still make money and still havent lost half my bankroll in 2 years EVEN with over 35k in expenses? I mean seriously? I never even played one hand of a single or double deck in my life and ive made close to 60k in 1350 hours with an average bet of only $150 playing strictly 6 and 8 deck games, i mean seriously? Who else can say that?

Not to mention never getting one handout and never having one credit card in my life and built this bankroll up from scratch with 2 minimum wage jobs and playing on the side after work. I even started my career 600 hours breakeven and I still didnt quit and kept going. Im in a league of my own cause if anyone else ran as bad as me not just in blackjack but in life after making the right choices in life time after time and always getting the short end of the stick in everything they do, they wouldve either quit or committed suicide a long time ago.

You dont know two $*its about me so i suggest you stay quiet and stick to the math and computer instead and keep helping out your immoral mafia scumbags who run this city. Tell gaming I said hi as well and tell every single person running these casinos to expect me until I die cause ill keep coming back every single time.



And after all that you're ready to swan dive off a bridge. With your luck you would probably live. So don't do it.😀
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March 6th, 2019 at 4:59:41 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Oh really, 'im no good'?

Exactly!

Quote:

Then after you're done go tell any of these idiots on these teams that ill outperform any single one of them in speed and accuracy as well as amount of indices used and this is all using a Level 3 count while they use Hilo and ill still run circles around them.

And this is why you are no good, you are a card counter. That says it all. This is a method that has been known for nearly 60 years, generates a low edge, high volatility and is routinely detected by casino staff, leading to back offs and trespasses. You will not be any good until you stop card counting altogether and seek much higher edges.

With regard to your $2x150 max wager, you could make a lot more hole-carding a Mississippi Stud game at $10, and about the same hole-carding Three Card Poker at $50.

I knew the best, from both sides of the table. You really are no good and will continue to be no good until you stop counting cards.
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March 6th, 2019 at 5:02:45 PM permalink
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I knew the best, from both sides of the table. You really are no good.



Could you try saying it without beating
around the bush. Good grief..
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March 6th, 2019 at 5:03:45 PM permalink
Glad to see you’re still with us, bro. I guess I’ll look at this thread again here in two weeks.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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March 6th, 2019 at 5:52:36 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

Exactly!

And this is why you are no good, you are a card counter. That says it all. This is a method that has been known for nearly 60 years, generates a low edge, high volatility and is routinely detected by casino staff, leading to back offs and trespasses. You will not be any good until you stop card counting altogether and seek much higher edges.

With regard to your $2x150 max wager, you could make a lot more hole-carding a Mississippi Stud game at $10, and about the same hole-carding Three Card Poker at $50.

I knew the best, from both sides of the table. You really are no good and will continue to be no good until you stop counting cards.



How about scouting time, competition, breakers, usually partial information etc? I won’t disagree that most high end AP’s don’t count, but you have really never been remotely honest with the way you frame your statistics and are prone to massive hyperbole and blanket generalizations.
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March 6th, 2019 at 5:57:00 PM permalink
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Glad to see you’re still with us, bro. I guess I’ll look at this thread again here in two weeks.



No reason people can't say supportive or even critical things while he's gone. He can be a part of this conversation even while he's unable to rant, if he wants to be.
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March 6th, 2019 at 5:58:33 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

And after all that you're ready to swan dive off a bridge. With your luck you would probably live. So don't do it.😀



Would it be wrong to set a line on that?

ZK, as long as you have some free time, you might as well go buy yourself some smaller shoes.
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March 6th, 2019 at 7:00:27 PM permalink
I will acknowledge that ZK can count better than myself or most people on the board.
It's the life skills that worry me. Attempting to link unrelated events together and call it karma is not healthy and it certainly is not a good attitude to have when playing a game with large variance.

Most of us have early life struggle stories. I had to do tax returns for two springs to pay rent at $20/pop.

Anyhow I am glad people in Vegas have extended a branch. Quite honestly suicide talk should be taken seriously.
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March 6th, 2019 at 9:38:10 PM permalink
I still think a Zen Korner would be the best place for his rants. You cant stop him, you can only hope to contain him.

Oh, and let's compare his terrible problems that nobody else could deal with.

His door handle broke. My Mom had breast cancer

His tire went flat. My High School teammate, College roommate, best man at my wedding and best friend was murdered.

He had bed bugs. My mother in law died from leukemia, after beating it once and surviving lung cancer.

Someone told him to leave the casino and not come back. My (now ex) wife cheated on me with one of her co-workers.


Gosh, I don't know how he does it. He just keeps fighting like nobody else could if they had it so bad.


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March 6th, 2019 at 11:01:19 PM permalink
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I could name at least another couple dozen people, including myself, who participate here for emotional relief and support to some degree or other.

Geez Louise, F****n get a dog or something.

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March 6th, 2019 at 11:09:17 PM permalink
Everyone's problems are relative. Quit thinking you're better than someone because you've had worse problems to deal with...and we don't even know of any other problems he might be dealing with that he hasn't posted about.
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March 6th, 2019 at 11:14:47 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Everyone's problems are relative. Quit thinking you're better than someone because you've had worse problems to deal with...and we don't even know of any other problems he might be dealing with that he hasn't posted about.

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March 7th, 2019 at 12:35:03 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

ZK, as long as you have some free time, you might as well go buy yourself some smaller shoes.



Maybe his shoes are too tight. Richard
Pryor had a hilarious routine decades
ago about how tight shoes can ruin
your life.
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March 7th, 2019 at 2:38:03 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

YA, but where are you getting oxy?

Personally, I prefer Percocet.

Teliot has given you very good advice.

I consider us friends, you're on the short list of people that have my cell phone number, and you can always text/call whenever you want or need... With that in mind please don't take this the wrong way... but I would never work with you with how/who you are at this point in your life. Teliot is right... and it has nothing to do with your "skill."

You should at least have an open conversation and/or review some of your thread starter posts with a professional. I think it could be quite eye opening.
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March 7th, 2019 at 5:59:00 AM permalink
Throughout my years here, I have been guilty of posting rants similar to ZK after a loss - however, the forum members here administer tough love, not warm and fuzzy love -- and believe me, tough love works!
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March 7th, 2019 at 6:20:30 AM permalink
There have been talks of Zenking needing his own Corner like the one I have long before this thread. A Zenking's Corner would do him good. :) Time to make an offer that Higher Ranking Members might not want to refuse. :) Godfather reference. ;)And Regular Members will most likely like too. ;) Here is the plea offer. Unsuspended Zenking again with the condition that he start his own Zenking's Corner ASAP, and promise to keep his rants, thoughts,and feelings, for the most part in his Zenking's Corner. . :) Lawyers, Prosecuters, Judges, and Parole Officers,make similar offers, granted on much larger scales. ;) Deal or no deal?
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March 7th, 2019 at 6:36:09 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

There have been talks of Zenking needing his own Corner like the one I have long before this thread. A Zenking's Corner would do him good. :)

That's debatable and debated.
No member should be exempt from the common forum rules. He has a thread dedicated to his Vegas adventure and if he want's to concentrate his posts there, he's welcome to, if/when he returns from suspension for long enough..
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March 7th, 2019 at 7:29:29 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

That's debatable and debated.
No member should be exempt from the common forum rules. He has a thread dedicated to his Vegas adventure and if he want's to concentrate his posts there, he's welcome to, if/when he returns from suspension for long enough..



Giving him one dedicated thread would make it much simpler because it’s easier to block one thread then everytime he has a bad day we will all know that is where we can go to provide the much needed help and support
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March 7th, 2019 at 8:50:18 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Honestly im so close to jumping off a bridge or overdosing on oxycontin and this isnt a joke or a troll. Im fucking done with my life and please dont try to support me either. Im sick of getting trolled by divine intevention evety single time. I just dropped 2800 in 2 hours and guess why it happened? Just guess.

So my car needs a new door handle cause it decided to break. I go to the mechanic since i dont have tools on me to look at it myself and maybe something simple got disconnected. So i take my car over to this guy. They say its $50 to check it. I say ok. After he checks it he says i need a new door handle cause the piece inside broke off. Then im like what now? We need to order the part. They wanted to order it for me and i was like bo ill just order it myself. I then told them I dont want to wait and come back and have to pay labor twice. They said they wont charge me today, but when I come back with the part it will just be 50. I told them ok.

Now heres the thing. I told them i would come back and then deecided NOT to because im gonna do it myself with some tools from my neighbor. Now as soon as this happens, the fucking world falls on me. This literally ALWAYS happens. Whenever i do something considered 'bad' or unethical divine intervention kills me. I literally ealk on eggshells my whole life. The world never remember all the good I do though. I dont even do anything 'bad' either to anyone other than stupid stuff like this or taking extra food off a mcdonalds when it wasnt even my order or not buying my neighbor pizza etc. As soon as somethiny like this happens, i never win a session ahhahahah. Explain that to me and tell me the world is not out to get me or that wr dont livr in a simulation.

Just look at this. As soon as i called them today and said i wouldnt be coming back, I drop 2800 in 2 hours. Tell me the last time i dropped 2800 in two hours lmaoo. Either my life id a freaking troll and stuff like this coincidentally happens to me every single time just to piss me off even more or we live in a simulation and my lifes objective is to talk on eggshells everytime i do something even remotely unethical. Im so done with this city as well as my life. Good riddance.



You think you have problems.

The doctors just discovered a cancerous tumor on my kidney.

Again----You think you have problems!!!!
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March 7th, 2019 at 9:08:18 AM permalink
Hopefully you have 2 good kidneys?
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March 7th, 2019 at 9:29:26 AM permalink
Quote: FatGeezus

You think you have problems.

The doctors just discovered a cancerous tumor on my kidney.

Again----You think you have problems!!!!


Hi FG.
First off, I hope you have a good prognosis and that you beat the cancer.

A few of us have tried to tell ZK that his problems are relatively minor. However as has also been pointed out, quite rightly IMHO, this won't get through to ZK and probably won't help him. He seems locked in a very tight mindset and hears what he chooses to hear. For example, he seems mostly obsessed about some sort of karma. It doesn't help to tell him that karma is nonsense, because he knows better.

He probably sees many of us as hostile to him, where really we are only hostile to the ideas that seem to haunt him.

It's a pity that he could not resist his outburst to Telliot which got him suspended again, as I'd hoped we could get dialogs going with him that might help.

But, as I said, You can take a horse to water.....
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March 7th, 2019 at 10:23:13 AM permalink
"I complained about my shoes ,until I met a man with no feet."
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March 7th, 2019 at 11:10:54 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear


A few of us have tried to tell ZK that his problems are relatively minor. However as has also been pointed out, quite rightly IMHO, this won't get through to ZK and probably won't help him. He seems locked in a very tight mindset and hears what he chooses to hear.



I don't think y'all can hear him.

Let's math - if you were to plot a graph of a 101% expectation game, you'd have a straight line on an ever so slight incline. That's the theory. That's the math. In practice, tho, you know that while you'll kinda sorta follow that line, your actual path deviates, sometimes frequently so.

So imagine that plot as a timeline. Plot any of y'all's careers and you'd see several dips and several jumps. On paper, just info. But in reality... it's a lot bleeding different. A "little blip" on paper could be you with no transport, illness or injury, a loss of income, all of which, in reality, hand you a giant question mark. A question mark that in that very moment you can't rid yourself of.

Most of us take it in stride. Been there before, amirite? Life s#$%s on you sometimes, but you just get back up. Just like you did last time, and the time before that. How many times have you bean beaten down? You're still here, right? Nothing to worry about, then, correct?

ZK is what? 28? His "chart" is ALL paper. His entire future is naught but theory. When you fall, you have 10-20-50 years of falling experience comforting you, confirming to your insecurities that yes, I will get back up again. Dudes 28(ish). How much could he have fallen by now?

A man cast everything aside to pursue a dream solo. Say what you will about professional AP, solo ventures of any kind are terrifying. Add to it that it your SOLE MEANS of support, and yeah, any fall is gonna rile you up. You don't have the armor of experience to shield yourself. You don't have a pile of means cushioning the fall. You don't go home to your owned house and nurturing wife and review your portfolio and nurse your wounds with support, you're cast in the street with nothing but your own self and your future exists only in theory. That's real s#$%.

Been there. And as much as I romanticize the lone wolf lifestyle, it's scary as s@#$. Yeah you get all the accolades in success, but every bit of pain, suffering and uncertainty is likewise yours alone to bear. All of that, with no proof of experience telling you you're doing it right, no team telling you you're doing it right, and reality "proving" you're doing it wrong, and all you've got is the lone voice in your own head saying "No. This is right"

I get it. Let 'im rant.
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March 7th, 2019 at 11:14:16 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

There have been talks of Zenking needing his own Corner like the one I have long before this thread.



This whole 'corner' thing was engineered
during one of my periods of absence.
You know who should get their own
'corner'? People who have something
of value to contribute on a regular basis.

Giving people their own space because
they're a pain in everybody else's rear end
is ridiculous. It only encourages more of
such behavior. There are thousands of
forums on the web where they can bother with
their nonsense, giving them a special
place to do it here is absurd..
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March 7th, 2019 at 11:21:05 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

Personally, I prefer Percocet.

Teliot has given you very good advice.

I consider us friends, you're on the short list of people that have my cell phone number, and you can always text/call whenever you want or need... With that in mind please don't take this the wrong way... but I would never work with you with how/who you are at this point in your life. Teliot is right... and it has nothing to do with your "skill."

You should at least have an open conversation and/or review some of your thread starter posts with a professional. I think it could be quite eye opening.

Ya, I hear Percocet is way more popular with the LGBT community.

I was kinda serious as to where and why he even has Oxy.
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March 7th, 2019 at 11:24:22 AM permalink
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How about scouting time, competition, breakers, usually partial information etc? I won’t disagree that most high end AP’s don’t count, but you have really never been remotely honest with the way you frame your statistics and are prone to massive hyperbole and blanket generalizations.

I'd say 'never been remotely honest", "massive hyperbole" and "blanket generalizations" are a bit of a stretch here. But if you have to fight for the "Eliot is an awful person" side, then go for it, say whatever you want. The mods never care about what people say about me here, pretty much because I don't care,

But, if you want to take a few moments to consider whether what you are saying is factually correct, and not itself dishonest and "massive hyperbole," then I will applaud that.
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March 7th, 2019 at 11:31:41 AM permalink
Replace “never” with “very rarely” and it is factually correct. I mean you just used 3cp to make a point when you know no one actually plays that game and people don’t achieve that in practice....you built a business off of worst case scenarios, puffery and scare tactics. As well as being gifted and working at it. I’m not saying anything about you as a person, I’m commenting on your work in the field.
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March 7th, 2019 at 11:33:51 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

The mods never care about what people say about me here

I call BS on that.

Quote: teliot

And this is why you are no good, you are a card counter.



You should have received a time out for that comment.

When you have a guy talking about suicide, BS or not, it's probably best that if you don't have anything good to say, you don't say anything at all.
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March 7th, 2019 at 11:33:51 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

I'd say 'never been remotely honest", "massive hyperbole" and "blanket generalizations" are a bit of a stretch here. But if you have to fight for the "Eliot is an awful person" side, then go for it, say whatever you want. The mods never care about what people say about me here, pretty much because I don't care,

But, if you want to take a few moments to consider whether what you are saying is factually correct, and not itself dishonest and "massive hyperbole," then I will applaud that.



How is saying someone has never been remotely honest not an insult?
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March 7th, 2019 at 11:35:41 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

How is saying someone has never been remotely honest not an insult?



Context and full quote is “when framing your statistics”
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March 7th, 2019 at 11:37:40 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf



When you have a guy talking about suicide, BS or not,



People here have met ZK. Would they
say his suicide talk is real, or has he,
like so many others, weaponized it
because it gets him a lot of attention.

Just read his posts, he lives off attention
like it's a food group.
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