Melman
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October 30th, 2010 at 9:15:04 PM permalink
Quote: kenarman

We are looking for the overtop buzz of the strip.



I'm really not getting the point of this thread.

My first trip to LV was in about 1985. I have always known that the strip was a horrid place to gamble, that better games could be found practically anywhere else. There's no "buzz" there. The crowds and traffic are infuriating, and the Strip casinos are full of people looking for a reason to be loud and stupid.

I visit LV a few times a year. When I go to the Strip, I immediately start looking forward to getting the hell out of there. The buildings can be nice to look at, but the people on the Strip always make for a miserable experience. Get me back Downtown or to a locals casino or down to Laughlin, where I can think straight and the gambling is much, much more enjoyable.
kenarman
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October 30th, 2010 at 10:27:46 PM permalink
If you were in Vegas in 1985 then the odds on the strip were as good as anywhere else in town. In the 80's and 90's I made 3 or 4 trips a year and always stayed on the strip. The strip has certainly changed sinced then but as a craps player the before odds EV is still the same. The whole town used to be 2X odds and now everyone has at least 3X4X5X. If you want high odds you can always go to Casino Royale (100X) without leaving the strip. What has changed on craps is the table limits. I used to be able to play $3 craps at the Flamingo, $2 at IP and 10 cent at Binions now it is sometimes tough to find a $10 table at night on the strip.

I understand your point about the people. I have many friends that don't like crowded places. I like the excitement of crowds and attend lots of large crowd attracting events, the latest being hanging out downtown in Vancouver during the Olympics. This isn't eveyones cup of tea though and to each their own. My wife is a slot player and likes the buzz as well. She always makes me book in the on weekend because she wants the casino to be packed when she is there.
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Mosca
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October 30th, 2010 at 11:12:11 PM permalink
"The buzz" isn't really in the air. It is inside you, and you project it onto your experience. If you, Melman, don't enjoy it, then no; of course you wouldn't get this thread. And that's completely understandable, we're all different.

All I'm doing is writing down my experience, and how I saw things, trying to have some fun writing it and trying to get some people (like you) to say how they find it different. I would be incredibly vain if I thought my 2 days described Las Vegas. I know it doesn't. I'm writing what it felt like to me, to actually go there, in 2010, after having read about it and seen it in films and television for years. I appreciate your reading it and adding your thoughts, that is another way of looking at it.
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EvenBob
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October 31st, 2010 at 1:18:03 AM permalink
The 'buzz' comes from most people being on vacation and trying to cram as much fun into 3-4 days as possible. This makes for a party atmosphere all the time, mostly Thurs-Sun. On a Tuesday afternoon, you can swear you see tumbleweeds blowing thru Strip casinos, its that drowsy and laid back.
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mkl654321
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October 31st, 2010 at 10:36:50 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

"The buzz" isn't really in the air. It is inside you, and you project it onto your experience. If you, Melman, don't enjoy it, then no; of course you wouldn't get this thread. And that's completely understandable, we're all different.

All I'm doing is writing down my experience, and how I saw things, trying to have some fun writing it and trying to get some people (like you) to say how they find it different. I would be incredibly vain if I thought my 2 days described Las Vegas. I know it doesn't. I'm writing what it felt like to me, to actually go there, in 2010, after having read about it and seen it in films and television for years. I appreciate your reading it and adding your thoughts, that is another way of looking at it.



I guess the differing opinions on this thread have to do with many people thinking that the "buzz", when it exists, mostly comes from within rather than without. Vegas is always the same (as in: the same vibe), but it affects you less and less on repeat visits, just like sex with a nymphomaniac supermodel becomes boring after a while. So how much "fun" a person has is, IMHO, a function of how much fun a person EXPECTS to have.

There's a large component of FORCED "fun" in our culture, mostly based around drinking. Many people, on Vegas weekends, at frat parties, on dates, whatever, tell themselves that THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE FUN (goddammit). So they drink, and gamble, and stay up late, and drink, and dance to music that is louder than a jackhammer, and drink, and dance, and throw up, and drink some more. They then come to the next morning, convinced (despite their massive headaches) that they had FUN. I see the behavior of most weekend Vegas tourists as exactly that--forced fun.

I agree that Vegas can be exciting for the first-time visitor, because it's novel, and novel experiences are stimulating. Heck, even a colonic irrigation can be interesting--once.
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Doc
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October 31st, 2010 at 10:41:12 AM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

... just like sex with a nymphomaniac supermodel becomes boring after a while. ...

Wait a minute. Isn't it time for Jerry to pop up and complain that mkl makes things up and doesn't really have experience with what he is posting about?
Mosca
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October 31st, 2010 at 10:48:22 AM permalink
Since a lot of it is different points of view, there isn't any reason to dispute anything, I don't think. I just like writing it out for people to think about. I enjoy reading the point of view of those who are inured to it all.

mkl, the "forced fun", yes. That's part of it. Then toss in a rhythmic beat, some hand clapping in unison, a couple trucks of booze and some girls (and guys), and all of a sudden it's PAAAAARTAY TIME!!!!!!! I'm not going to slag on that, though. Daily life can be a real grind, cutting loose is as old as humanity. What I keep going back to as Las Vegas' most unique feature is the high tech industrialization of cutting loose! It is truly astonishing, a capitalist achievement to be awed over. Of course, once you're used to it, you can see all the ropes and wires and the man behind the curtain. But on first look it is fascinating.
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mkl654321
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October 31st, 2010 at 11:06:27 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

Wait a minute. Isn't it time for Jerry to pop up and complain that mkl makes things up and doesn't really have experience with what he is posting about?



He doesn't know one way or the (baby, stop it! I'm trying to post) other, but I'm sure (ooooh! you naughty...) he'll proffer an sghjetguy (sorry, typo) opinion on (yes! yes! careful, you're dripping on the keyboard) that within a few 7ger$#%bcvjfko

I'll have to get back to you....
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soulhunt79
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October 31st, 2010 at 11:11:58 AM permalink
You make it sound like forced fun is bad or something people should avoid. Damn me for forcing myself to actually relax on vacation. :)
mkl654321
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October 31st, 2010 at 11:16:06 AM permalink
Quote: soulhunt79

You make it sound like forced fun is bad or something people should avoid. Damn me for forcing myself to actually relax on vacation. :)



I never levied a judgment on "forced" fun; I only characterized it as something other than "actual" fun. If you are relaxing on vacation--TRULY relaxing--then you are having actual fun. If you feel you are FORCING yourself to relax, then no, you are not actually having fun. Some people go on vacation, only to find that they're bored. If they concoct some kind of activity--usually involving drinking--to alleviate that boredom, then that is forced fun. But to each his own.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw

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