StricklyAP/WizardofNothing
I really couldn't care what gaming does. It doesnt stop my effectiveness in the slightest
May have been a bit awkward
ZCore13
Nothin' to see here, folks. Move along, now. Thanks.
Let's not have any more crappy outing plays threats, huh, fellas? Chances are, if WoN is doing something, other guys on here are, too. Long run, you just hurt everybody.
Quote: beachbumbabsGood shootin', Barney.
Nothin' to see here, folks. Move along, now. Thanks.
Let's not have any more crappy outing plays threats, huh, fellas? Chances are, if WoN is doing something, other guys on here are, too. Long run, you just hurt everybody.
The hilarious part is WON outed himself although nothing he says can really be trusted
He takes lies and truth then delivers them shaken not stirred
EDIT: And no i am not calling him James Bond. I'm calling him the bartender who serves James Bond
Quote: beachbumbabsGood shootin', Barney.
Nothin' to see here, folks. Move along, now. Thanks.
Let's not have any more crappy outing plays threats, huh, fellas? Chances are, if WoN is doing something, other guys on here are, too. Long run, you just hurt everybody.
He didn’t “out a play”. All he said is that basically the casino basically mistook playing on both sides on a machine for not playing at all. Since I see even non-AP’s doing this all the time for various voodoo reasons, I don’t think that by itself it could be called a “play”. It’s also far from illegal.
Finally, as I said previously, if that’s worthy of permanent banishment in PA, any AP that sets foot in the state has a big problem.
Quote: cwazyHe didn’t “out a play”. All he said is that basically the casino basically mistook playing on both sides to eliminate variance on a machine for not playing at all. Since I see even non-AP’s doing this all the time for various voodoo reasons, I don’t think that by itself it’s a “play”. It’s also far from illegal.
As I said previously, if that’s worthy of permanent banishment in PA, any AP that sets foot in the state has a big problem.
Thats what he says
Come on think about it. Playing both sides requires making wagers. You cant do a doey/dont by putting hundreds in and immediately cashing out
Trust me he was doing something else
Besides does anyone on here really believe WON is going to give even an inkling of his moves? Within like 3 posts of his new sock puppet. Notice how he got real frightened when i began talking about what the play was in just a few limited terms?
Quote: darkoz
Come on think about it. Playing both sides requires making wagers. You cant do a doey/dont by putting hundreds in and immediately cashing out
He says he did make wagers, just offsetting ones. I can easily see an idiotic casino manager equating that with “not playing”. If you’ve been an AP for any period of time, you have certainly had run-ins with these pieces of samsonite. They often aren’t chosen for their intelligence - in many cases they’re somebody's cousin or nephew, and more often than not they don’t understand the specific settings of their own machines that could encourage certain behavior, drawing/promotion rules that could also encourage odd-looking behavior, or even their own casino policies for that matter.
Quote: cwazyHe didn’t “out a play”. All he said is that basically the casino basically mistook playing on both sides on a machine for not playing at all. Since I see even non-AP’s doing this all the time for various voodoo reasons, I don’t think that by itself it could be called a “play”. It’s also far from illegal.
Finally, as I said previously, if that’s worthy of permanent banishment in PA, any AP that sets foot in the state has a big problem.
DarkOz OFFERED to share a play via pm to anybody that asked, as revenge. He shot his mouth off publicly about some things he knows WoN did or considered. That's what I was talking about, regardless of anything WoN said.
This forum is not the place to out plays, blackmail APs with exposure, doxx members or ex-members, or threaten people.
Period.
No excuses.
Been said before. Shouldn't have had to be said again.
I understand a doey-don't at craps, but cannot fathom how it might work on VP or slots.
Quote: beachbumbabsDarkOz OFFERED to share a play via pm to anybody that asked, as revenge. He shot his mouth off publicly about some things he knows WoN did or considered. That's what I was talking about, regardless of anything WoN said.
This forum is not the place to out plays, blackmail APs with exposure, doxx members or ex-members, or threaten people.
Period.
No excuses.
Been said before. Shouldn't have had to be said again.
Fair enough. I thought you were referring to WoN's public post.
Quote: beachbumbabsDarkOz OFFERED to share a play via pm to anybody that asked, as revenge. He shot his mouth off publicly about some things he knows WoN did or considered. That's what I was talking about, regardless of anything WoN said.
This forum is not the place to out plays, blackmail APs with exposure, doxx members or ex-members, or threaten people.
Period.
No excuses.
Been said before. Shouldn't have had to be said again.
Actually WON signed on as a sock puppet and blurted out direct personal info about me such as a backrooming so i think you need to recognize in this scenario all gloves are OFF
I personally dont give a $h!+ about what WON rights are as far as plays go
I wont give out his personal info (even tho i am certain he would give out mine) nor blackmail him nor threaten him
But his plays feel free to pm me
Quote: beachbumbabs
This forum is not the place to out plays, blackmail APs with exposure, doxx members or ex-members, or threaten people.
Period.
No excuses.
Been said before. Shouldn't have had to be said again.
There's a rule here about outing plays?
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13There's a rule here about outing plays?
ZCore13
I will better that
Theres a rule here about outting plays via pm?
Quote: darkozActually WON signed on as a sock puppet and blurted out direct personal info about me such as a backrooming so i think you need to recognize in this scenario all gloves are OFF
I personally dont give a $h!+ about what WON rights are as far as plays go
I wont give out his personal info (even tho i am certain he would give out mine) nor blackmail him nor threaten him
But his plays feel free to pm me
You don't get it.
1. All of WoNs comments are now deleted, per Wizard's instructions about previously banned sock posts. So were some of yours, quoting him, and quotes others used. End of story.
2. You don't know WHO you're offering to pm stuff to. WE don't know who many of the members are. You're making huge assumptions in burning those bridges, because it's many more people than WoN affected by jackass revenge moves like you're pulling.
3. This is not what this forum is for. If people want to network, no problem. Screwing over the membership for petty revenge, big problem.
I'm sure it's too late to stop people from getting your responses, and there's no rule that supports me suspending you for it, so I won't be. But the bridge you're burning is mostly your own. Who is going to want to work with you now? It was bad enough when you burned that play a couple years ago; now you've proved you'll give up your partner's moves, or other AP stuff that wasn't even yours to tell. Enjoy being a solo AP, because that's where you're headed.
Still can't believe you would make this move as a "pro". Geez, guy.
Quote: prozemaRead the UX page on wizard of odds... Or the pages on counting blackjack... Who gets to pick and choose which plays are ok to discuss in public / private / not at all?
Not my site, not my rules. Just enforcing what has been established. And stomping out a brush fire before it starts. Can't allow the precedent of APs outing other APs for just revenge. Different from scamming members; this forum isn't for that, either.
Don't want every time some team member or partner on here gets mad, they crap all over the other guys. Or anybody using this forum to threaten exposure, to blackmail others. It would ruin it for everybody.
Quote: beachbumbabsYou don't get it.
1. All of WoNs comments are now deleted, per Wizard's instructions about previously banned sock posts. So were some of yours, quoting him, and quotes others used. End of story.
2. You don't know WHO you're offering to pm stuff to. WE don't know who many of the members are. You're making huge assumptions in burning those bridges, because it's many more people than WoN affected by jackass revenge moves like you're pulling.
3. This is not what this forum is for. If people want to network, no problem. Screwing over the membership for petty revenge, big problem.
I'm sure it's too late to stop people from getting your responses, and there's no rule that supports me suspending you for it, so I won't be. But the bridge you're burning is mostly your own. Who is going to want to work with you now? It was bad enough when you burned that play a couple years ago; now you've proved you'll give up your partner's moves, or other AP stuff that wasn't even yours to tell. Enjoy being a solo AP, because that's where you're headed.
Still can't believe you would make this move as a "pro". Geez, guy.
I have over fifty people working for me and not one is a forum member. I dont work with anyone not recommended by family or friends
The one time i violated that rule was gee who is this thread about?
So no concerns on my end. No bridges to burn.
But i appreciate your concern Babs. Thats sincere
Excuse me? What's been "said before" is exactly the opposite of what you just did. Just what the hell do you think you're doing?Quote: beachbumbabsDarkOz OFFERED to share a play via pm to anybody that asked, as revenge. He shot his mouth off publicly about some things he knows WoN did or considered. That's what I was talking about, regardless of anything WoN said.
This forum is not the place to out plays, <EDIT to snip out a list of sleazy things that are absolutely totally different and not in any way the same thing at all>
Period.
No excuses.
Been said before. Shouldn't have had to be said again.
Has the purpose of this forum drastically changed? Has someone told you that's your job here? To restrict information to promote the interests of so-called "APs? " Well it sure wasn't before. I think you need to get some guidance from some responsible adult with a bit more sense somewhere up the food chain from you, and do it right now. I absolutely positively will not ever under any circumstances comply with anything remotely like what you just wrote, so if that's what you really intend to do you can plan right now on having a constant problem with me right up your ying-yang Barbara.
Last I looked, this was explicitly intended to be, and was in fact, freely open for all those interested in general discussion of gambling and Las Vegas, and NOT subject to being censored according to what some "AP" asswipe does or doesn't want someone to talk about for their self interest. And attempts by individuals to shut up those discussing gambling information, including things some self-described "APs" decide are "plays" have been rightly slapped down, and in fact forum rules on flagging were even quite rightly changed when abused for exactly the purpose you now involve yourself in.
Well I think you are totally wrong, wrong, and wrong. "Period, no excuses." And I think you need to back off and stuff it. I will discuss any "play" I feel like here any time I feel like it, and after what you just pulled I will be making a special effort to do so more often and more prominently than I would have ever done before. Count on it. I will NOT stop because of anything you have to say about it.
If this is now going to (very unwisely) change purpose into becoming an even more tiny little private club for those who want to think of themselves as "APs" then someone other than you needs to say so. Now. And good luck getting the rest of the world, including a number of much larger gambling & Las Vegas related discussion forums, to comply with your desire to make people shut up in that way.
Quote: beachbumbabsNot my site, not my rules. Just enforcing what has been established. And stomping out a brush fire before it starts. Can't allow the precedent of APs outing other APs for just revenge. Different from scamming members; this forum isn't for that, either.
Don't want every time some team member or partner on here gets mad, they crap all over the other guys. Or anybody using this forum to threaten exposure, to blackmail others. It would ruin it for everybody.
I dont see that happening
Most of the AP on here would be disgusted with themselves if they did that over some petty incident
What we do have here is a sock puppet member who crapped over everybody he could and used this forum to find new victims including using in his way one of the mods who had to resign over it
Quote: darkoz
What we do have here is a sock puppet member who crapped over everybody he could and used this forum to find new victims including using in his way one of the mods who had to resign over it
Yeah, but instead of focusing on that we could all just pick on you for offering gambling tips via private message. Makes total sense to me.
He shouldn't have to PM the info, he should be permitted to post it here.
This is a gambling forum, not a private club whose membership is limited only to AP's.
If he wants to spill the beans about a gambling play that only a few currently know about, let him: the more, the merrier.
You don't like it?
Fine.
Persuade the forum owners to make up a new rule prohibiting the discussion of any and all gambling plays (!) and then nuke him for violating it, ex post facto.
Is that really the direction you want the board to veer towards?
Quote: DrawingDeadExcuse me? What's been "said before" is exactly the opposite of what you just did. Just what the hell do you think you're doing?Quote: beachbumbabsDarkOz OFFERED to share a play via pm to anybody that asked, as revenge. He shot his mouth off publicly about some things he knows WoN did or considered. That's what I was talking about, regardless of anything WoN said.
This forum is not the place to out plays, <EDIT to snip out a list of sleazy things that are absolutely totally different and not in any way the same thing at all>
Period.
No excuses.
Been said before. Shouldn't have had to be said again.
Has the purpose of this forum drastically changed? Has someone told you that's your job here? To restrict information to promote the interests of so-called "APs? " Well it sure wasn't before. I think you need to get some guidance from some responsible adult with a bit more sense somewhere up the food chain from you, and do it right now. I absolutely positively will not ever under any circumstances comply with anything remotely like what you just wrote, so if that's what you really intend to do you can plan right now on having a constant problem with me right up your ying-yang Barbara.
Last I looked, this was explicitly intended to be, and was in fact, freely open for all those interested in general discussion of gambling and Las Vegas, and NOT subject to being censored according to what some "AP" asswipe does or doesn't want someone to talk about for their self interest. And attempts by individuals to shut up those discussing gambling information, including things some self-described "APs" decide are "plays" have been rightly slapped down, and in fact forum rules on flagging were even quite rightly changed when abused for exactly the purpose you now involve yourself in.
Well I think you are totally wrong, wrong, and wrong. "Period, no excuses." And I think you need to back off and stuff it. I will discuss any "play" I feel like here any time I feel like it, and after what you just pulled I will be making a special effort to do so more often and more prominently than I would have ever done before. Count on it. I will NOT stop because of anything you have to say about it.
If this is now going to (very unwisely) change purpose into becoming an even more tiny little private club for those who want to think of themselves as "APs" then someone other than you needs to say so. Now. And good luck getting the rest of the world, including a number of much larger gambling & Las Vegas related discussion forums, to comply with your desire to make people shut up in that way.
LOLOLOLOL
What kind of info have you been posting? You for real right now?
Oh yeah, aaaaallll those other gambling forums out there. Like what, BJTF? That's about the strictest forum and anyone who posts information that should be private gets dismantled. VCT? Yeah, lots of great information over there, too! Rob Stringer just got unbanned over there (then again, that's where all the retards go after they get banned here, with few exceptions IMO). GF is pretty good too, half of it is all idiots talking about "beating roulette" with some BS systems and other magical nonsense. The other half is the admin making new accounts and just talking to himself (look at some of the usernames and what they talk about, they're all the same person trying to make the forum look more active). VMB is good too, oh yeah, if you're the kind of person who goes to LV once every 2 years to play 5c VP on a $100 gambling budget (not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's about as opposite as you can get from AP).
She probably regrets starting this thread
You can privately share +EV plays if you meet other conditions.
If you are not dense, you can help a ploppie, but not too much.
Everyone however is allowed to rip on dice setters.
It's not that hard.
Huh? No, no; wrong, and I beg your pardon but very wrong!Quote:...if you meet certain conditions...
...if you meet other conditions...
TYVM, of course, exactly right, unless and until someone is ever foolish enough to effectively put an end to this forum by deciding otherwise.Quote: MrVThis is a gambling forum, not a private club whose membership is limited only to AP's.
RS, those are the peculiar nooks and crannies of that little world you hang out in, not mine or what most people would think of on the subject of gambling and Las Vegas. I'm not very up with any of that tiny weird little subculture, don't plan to be, like most people don't care, not interested.
I sincerely hope someday you'll be able to venture out of your familiar clan a little bit to sample some of the real world. I really do sincerely believe it could be good for you, and good for others, if you were able to do so. Whether you'd like what you find out there or not, it would definitely be a surprise to your picture of the world. To begin with, most people with an interest in gambling and casinos and Las Vegas, for example, are people with jobs and careers and businesses and homes and families who rarely even hear the term “AP” including most of those who've been very familiar with gambling and casinos for a lot longer than you've been alive. Try to explore that big world out there someday. It'll be good, really. You can find other things out there pretty easily if you try even just a little.
Some small hints, for a just few examples, which I'll leave up to you to peek out there to find if you ever decide to brave the big world out there, or not, as you wish:
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I assume you received my post as sarcastic. Maybe not? Not sure why you are saying I'm wrong.
I apologize; apparently I misunderstood. I didn't pick up on a tongue-in-cheek intent at all. And I'm pretty sure the fault for doing that would be all mine.Quote: prozemaDrawing dead,
I assume you received my post as sarcastic. Maybe not? Not sure why you are saying I'm wrong.
But I hope you were at least a little bit serious about ridiculing dice whisperers.
Quote: DrawingDeadI can be dense sometimes, and apparently this was one of them:I apologize; apparently I misunderstood. And I'm pretty sure the fault for doing that would be all mine.
But I hope you were serious about ridiculing dice whisperers.
Im good sir. There is no fault to be had. I appreciate the response. I like you. (not in a weird way)
Quote: beachbumbabsNot my site, not my rules. Just enforcing what has been established. And stomping out a brush fire before it starts. Can't allow the precedent of APs outing other APs for just revenge. Different from scamming members; this forum isn't for that, either.
Don't want every time some team member or partner on here gets mad, they crap all over the other guys. Or anybody using this forum to threaten exposure, to blackmail others. It would ruin it for everybody.
When did your role on this site become the protection of the secrecy of AP plays ? That’s very far reaching and in my opinion out of line for a board admin. If someone knows of a play and they choose to share it , that’s their business and not the breaking of any forum rules.
And if I were to become privy to an AP play, I don’t give a damn who I heard it from or who else is using it. I will gladly come into this forum in .0001 seconds and share every detail of it with anyone and everyone who wants to hear about it. This is a site about gambling , finding ways to make smart bets , making the best bets possible. And sharing how to do so. And yes AP plays are some of the bets bets that fit into that criteria. You have gone way too far tonight and to make matters worse you’re looking out for the interests of a banned member sock puppet fraud
As a matter of fact, you could say the backbone of this forum is showing AP plays.....
The next hour i get a pm from person B saying im ruining it for him how dare i make it public no one else knows this play
A few minutes later i get a pm from person C saying im ruining it for him how dare i make it public no one else knows this play
Quote: darkozI was upset at what BBB said too but i know her hearts in the right place
She probably regrets starting this thread
She shouldn't regret starting this thread. This is a good thread because it let us talk about a guy who scammed us and lots of other people and even an immediate family member! Get it out in the open and off our chests. If you were a manager of say Walgreen's, ;) and you had a guy steal like $100 of items from your store and another manager told you he also stole $100 from his Walgreen's too and yet another manager claims he stole $100 worth of items too wouldn't you love to have a huge meeting with other stores where you all talk/commiserate about this one thief stealing $100 worth of items from your stores?
I apologize. This has gone way off course on my intent, and I've left you guys with the wrong idea. Disagree if you want, but let's at least be discussing the same thing.
I'm going to try again, because I agree with a lot of what you think I'm disagreeing with.
This forum can't be used as a revenge platform for APs to screw each other over. That's my main point. It's why darkoz made some of the comments he did, why WoN sockpuppeted again, why a couple other people made some of their comments.
It's not about WoN. It's about setting the precedent that would make such a tactic an effective blackmail threat, which has been tried before, and quashed before it got public. Last time (that i know about, maybe this garbage is going on more often behind the scenes) it was a disgruntled team member and some other people, all forum members. This time it's WoN, who is a banned member. Next time, who? Another one of you against another member?
Since WoNs posts were sock-puppetry, they fall under the procedure Wizard established late last year, an exception to his no-censorship rule and in specific response to one or more different banned member(s) posts (pingpangpong, and later waxie22). Regardless of the apparent value of the posts, they are to be deleted in their entirety. That's not up to me to decide; the decision has been made.
If people want to discuss plays they think might work, share experiences, dissect them, look at different angles, debunk them, as has been done many times, I agree that's a primary purpose of the forum. Most of that falls under better, more informed gambling. If it ruins a play for someone, so be it. Opportunities come and go.
This is also the reason this thread was started; difficult education made necessary because players (AP or not) were being scammed by another AP. CasinoKiller started his thread twice out of revenge: Mission killed it twice. He killed it NOT because he was protecting WoN. He killed it because it was doxxing, revenge-oriented, and using the forum for an unwelcome purpose.
However, there was valuable.learning to be had, because WoN was abusing the forum to find people to scam. People need to learn how to protect.themselves, and to do that, they need to recognize the traps people set for each other. If, knowing that, people take the risk and go forward, they are free to do so.
But the collective discussion of how people got scammed or deceived, or saw the trap in time and didn't get deceived, is very worthwhile. So I made a place for it, which I said at the outset would be heavily moderated. This series of revenge posts was a bridge too far, like the CasinoKiller threads were. So WoNs posts were removed. Speculation remained up and generated some interesting public comments (and according to darkoz, some PMs), but valuable discussion.
Sorry for the long post. Not, IMO, a simple topic, and some fine lines being drawn. I acknowledge that. I'm trying to address things as they happen.
If you disagree with me on where I'm drawing those lines, please be my guest. That's another worthwhile conversation. But I hope you also can see the difference between education and malice or extortion.
Quote:If people want to discuss plays they think might work, share experiences, dissect them, look at different angles, debunk them, as has been done many times, I agree that's a primary purpose of the forum. Most of that falls under better, more informed gambling. If it ruins a play for someone, so be it. Opportunities come and go.
It's not appropriate, IMO, for APs to threaten other APs in PM or otherwise, for exposing plays, via this forum. I include myself in this, and I apologize for how I said what I did to darkoz about it; that's part of what I said badly. I was angry about his apparent malice and the repercussions to many members in his posts, and his generating the unwelcome response from WoNs sock-puppets.
I don't know what gets said in PMs, and it's against forum rules to publish or disclose them. Threatening PMs can be forwarded to me or another Admin for action. But I don't support using this forum to bully members, or extort them, or dox them. I feel pretty certain I'm speaking for the other Admins as well in this. So if you threaten someone via PM, and they make a complaint, it's likely you can expect an adverse action. Caveat: there is no black and white in most cases, and at least 2 sides to every story.
I kept quiet
My daughter wanted to sign up here with the express intent of exacting revenge on WON
I prevented her
There was no revenge here (and most certainly no extortion or blackmail which would require my asking for something from WoN in lieu of a threat of exposure)
Point of fact: this aspect of the thread (last few days) arose from the public outing of the mechanics of a play WON was observed doing in a PA casino
Discussion went for several days where people tried to figure out how it worked (in fact if you analyze the back and forth with cwazy and myself you will see it almost appears im defending WON because the PA gaming commision outed someone for cashing out which seems ridiculous on the face of it)
Even the best AP on here couldn't figure it out
I suddenly had my belief as to how it worked and offered to share
And stated i dont give a rats behind about WON. That isnt revenge against WON (although watching his scrotum vomit through his esophagus was definitely fun when he sockpuppeted)
Now WON tried to get quick revenge against me. But i also knew he lurks here. His petty antics dont scare me. Hell if casinos dont why should anything he does scare me.
I do not conduct any business with anyone on this forum. All my workers are family or friends. No one from WOV has my phone number - except WON. So periodically when something about him is mentioned and i get a text message to my cell relating to this forum i know its from him
You see i know he lurks here
He lurks here and that can only be for one reason. He is still looking for victims i consider pulling him out of the woodwork my service to this forum (please make check out to darkoz i accept paypal)
Lets examine that one
He says it was betting against himself to generate jackpots for a drawing
The only game you can bet against yourself (without a partner next to you) would be e-roulette if im not mistaken
To generate a jackpot he would put (jam lol) hundreds in till he had say $2800. Then wager $1300 on red and $1300 on black with protection on the zeros
That would generate a jackpot. Also an attendant to do the payout
And video roulette does not allow bets that large. Not sure about e-roulette in PA but in AC max is about $350
So something smells fishy about that claim.
EDIT: i suppose IF the max was $1500 then he could wager $40 on every single number (or street combos or something) and generate a jackpot on the straight up number win but thats if the tables go that high
Still requires a handpay so cant see how anyone could mistake that for not playing
Quote: darkozWON himself came on as a sockpuppet (called himself DarkOddBall. Love the complement) and outed his play or so he claims
Lets examine that one
He says it was betting against himself to generate jackpots for a drawing
The only game you can bet against yourself (without a partner next to you) would be e-roulette if im not mistaken
To generate a jackpot he would put (jam lol) hundreds in till he had say $2800. Then wager $1300 on red and $1300 on black with protection on the zeros
That would generate a jackpot. Also an attendant to do the payout
And video roulette does not allow bets that large. Not sure about e-roulette in PA but in AC max is about $350
So something smells fishy about that claim.
Possibly just cover all of the numbers with max bets? Only need a $37.50 bet on a straight up to hit a jackpot.
Quote: IbeatyouracesPossibly just cover all of the numbers with max bets? Only need a $37.50 bet on a straight up to hit a jackpot.
Yes added an Edit to my post while you were suggesting this. Still generated jackpots require handpays
Handpays cant possibly be mistaken for jamming machines and nonplay
Imo
Quote: darkozYes added an Edit to my post while you were suggesting this. Still generated jackpots require handpays
Handpays cant possibly be mistaken for jamming machines and nonplay
Imo
My guess that is just the excuse gaming used. I'm sure it's because of his criminal history. Wasn't Archie Karas blacklisted from Nevada casinos because of his cheating in California?
IMHO, it is a service to the forum to communicate this, because it helps prevent other members from getting caught up in it.Quote: darkozIf i wanted revenge against WON i would have outed his con or his play a year ago when the incident with my daughter took place
I kept quiet
My daughter wanted to sign up here with the express intent of exacting revenge on WON
I prevented her
Once again, thank-you. Uh,"the check is in the mail" ?Quote: darkozHe is still looking for victims i consider pulling him out of the woodwork my service to this forum (please make check out to darkoz i accept paypal)
Quote: IbeatyouracesMy guess that is just the excuse gaming used. I'm sure it's because of his criminal history. Wasn't Archie Karas blacklisted from Nevada casinos because of his cheating in California?
That was one of my theories, too -- that he just got blacklisted or whatever because "they" don't have anything concrete to get him on. Sorta like if a cop gives a ticket then arrests a known drug dealer dude for jay-walking (at least according to crime shows probably).
Quote: RSThat was one of my theories, too -- that he just got blacklisted or whatever because "they" don't have anything concrete to get him on. Sorta like if a cop gives a ticket then arrests a known drug dealer dude for jay-walking (at least according to crime shows probably).
And yet my sense of fairness is if enforcement cant find something concrete making up phony excuses shouldnt fly
In the end it leads to innocent people getting thrown under the bus (and is in a sense vigilante justice just through law enforcement or the gaming commission)
Quote: darkozAnd yet my sense of fairness is if enforcement cant find something concrete making up phony excuses shouldnt fly
In the end it leads to innocent people getting thrown under the bus (and is in a sense vigilante justice just through law enforcement or the gaming commission)
Seems to me they were very specific on the reason. I doubt you'll find that same reason used for any other bans on their website. If you are looking for a general reason to ban someone, I'm pretty sure it would be one used before and multiple times.
Quote: darkozAnd yet my sense of fairness is if enforcement cant find something concrete making up phony excuses shouldnt fly
In the end it leads to innocent people getting thrown under the bus (and is in a sense vigilante justice just through law enforcement or the gaming commission)
Sense of fairness? How quaint.
By the way- we all appreciate the heads up on WON ripping off your daughter. Imagine if it had been more timely. Where was your sense of fairness then?
Quote: billryanSense of fairness? How quaint.
By the way- we all appreciate the heads up on WON ripping off your daughter. Imagine if it had been more timely. Where was your sense of fairness then?
My point is if they wanted to find a reason to ban him it should have been for better than putting money into a slot machine and then cashing out
As APs on here it could begin a ridiculous trend where people are banned for putting money in and cashing out on suspicion of something dubious
Figure out what he did or move on
I dont like kangaroo courts anymore than i like WON
Quote: darkozI was upset at what BBB said too but i know her hearts in the right place
I agree with this statement. Babs is a good person who is earnest and conscientious about being a moderator. However, IMO, her last statement was ill-considered and out of bounds. I hope she rethinks it.
