Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: darkozThat must be why all those southern plantation owners would automatically release their mulatto slaves
They realized they were not black
Slavery had nothing to do with
being black. It was all about
being property. If your property
had a kid, that kid was your property
also, no matter who the father was.
Regarding fair taxation -- there may be another alternative.
As SOOPOO likes to note, he pays for how many families (I forget, but it's more than a few) as I remember. Perhaps we could establish a lifetime taxpayer credit rating maintained by the IRS for example.
A person's taxpayer "rating" would go up for years contributed and percentage of income while in good standing. You would benefit through non-monetary advantages, such as renewing at the DMV, your status could move you to the head of the line, or close to it depending on who else was there at the moment. Perhaps a mathematical equation to balance people already waiting there vs. a higher status level would be needed.
There could be many other places to benefit, such as being able to move to the head of lines for non-urgent care. You can't move ahead realistically for greater urgent care, but you could against all other people waiting, for their various non-urgent cares.
There's even a possibility that you could enlist private industry (on a volunteer basis) to participate in such a program regarding special advantages for such folks, Such as reserving buying opportunities to these people first before the rest of the public.
So, in this matter, your "unfair" taxes could still bring you benefits. Whereas now, you receive none of such sort. This would still be an improvement on our current system, assuming it would be workable.
You know the old saying....Quote: SOOPOOWhat is pathetic is that you decide to rate the attractiveness of the people that TW and JJ cheated with, as if that matters. So if they cheated with super models that is ok? If you get married its ok for your hubby to cheat as long as he finds an upgrade? Please return to Nathan's Corner!
For every supermodel, there's some guy tired of f***ing her.
Quote: NathanIf he was sick of Sandra's crap he could have done the mature thing about it and either say,"Look, I don't like your attitude," or divorce her. Reminds me of the movie Soul Food where Miles, in a moment of weakness has sex with Teri's cousin and literally seconds after, they both regret it. Teri was being snooty, wasn't having sex with him, and wasn't supporting Miles' dream of being a musician(She wanted him to remain a Lawyer like her), but he had no business cheating on her with her cousin. He should have divorced her instead rather than cheat on her with the next available woman who would sleep with him, which unfortunately was Teri's cousin.
Hijack and derail. This garbage belongs in your thread if anywhere at all. How do you not get the point the first time, when SOOPOO asked you to stop with this?
Quote: EvenBobEver think he was maybe sick
of her crap? I've read Sandra
Bullock is kind of a ding dong,
Add to that she's 5 years older
than Jesse. Maybe he had a good
reason for cheating.
Hijack and derail. Stop encouraging this stuff, please.
Quote: rxwineCan't seem to find another proper thread, so since I hate starting new political themed threads I'll put it here as it's relevant to many discussions here anyway.
Regarding fair taxation -- there may be another alternative.
As SOOPOO likes to note, he pays for how many families (I forget, but it's more than a few) as I remember. Perhaps we could establish a lifetime taxpayer credit rating maintained by the IRS for example.
A person's taxpayer "rating" would go up for years contributed and percentage of income while in good standing. You would benefit through non-monetary advantages, such as renewing at the DMV, your status could move you to the head of the line, or close to it depending on who else was there at the moment. Perhaps a mathematical equation to balance people already waiting there vs. a higher status level would be needed.
There could be many other places to benefit, such as being able to move to the head of lines for non-urgent care. You can't move ahead realistically for greater urgent care, but you could against all other people waiting, for their various non-urgent cares.
There's even a possibility that you could enlist private industry (on a volunteer basis) to participate in such a program regarding special advantages for such folks, Such as reserving buying opportunities to these people first before the rest of the public.
So, in this matter, your "unfair" taxes could still bring you benefits. Whereas now, you receive none of such sort. This would still be an improvement on our current system, assuming it would be workable.
So we would have First Class, Citizens and then the rest of the population. Would class be inherited? Wouldn't it be horrible to be born into privilege, only to lose it at 18..
Quote: rxwineCan't seem to find another proper thread, so since I hate starting new political themed threads I'll put it here as it's relevant to many discussions here anyway.
Regarding fair taxation -- there may be another alternative.
As SOOPOO likes to note, he pays for how many families (I forget, but it's more than a few) as I remember. Perhaps we could establish a lifetime taxpayer credit rating maintained by the IRS for example.
A person's taxpayer "rating" would go up for years contributed and percentage of income while in good standing. You would benefit through non-monetary advantages, such as renewing at the DMV, your status could move you to the head of the line, or close to it depending on who else was there at the moment. Perhaps a mathematical equation to balance people already waiting there vs. a higher status level would be needed.
There could be many other places to benefit, such as being able to move to the head of lines for non-urgent care. You can't move ahead realistically for greater urgent care, but you could against all other people waiting, for their various non-urgent cares.
There's even a possibility that you could enlist private industry (on a volunteer basis) to participate in such a program regarding special advantages for such folks, Such as reserving buying opportunities to these people first before the rest of the public.
So, in this matter, your "unfair" taxes could still bring you benefits. Whereas now, you receive none of such sort. This would still be an improvement on our current system, assuming it would be workable.
It's not enough that you get 3 hots and a cot every day (that you earned, of course)? Those you're helping to support often don't. We like to think America is a first-world country, but 13 million kids, or 1 in 5, don't know when they might eat next. They call it "food insecurity", and it's growing. Was 1 in 6 a decade ago.
Not to mention this, from Wapo Jan 2018:
Quote:Compared to 19 similar OECD (high-earning) countries, U.S. babies were three times more likely to die from extreme immaturity and 2.3 times more likely to experience sudden infant death syndrome between 2001 and 2010, the most recent years for which comparable data is available across all the countries. If the U.S. had kept pace with the OECD’s overall decline in infant mortality since 1960, that would have resulted in about 300,000 fewer infant deaths in America over the course of 50 years, the report found.
The reasons the U.S. has fallen behind include higher poverty rates relative to other developed countries and a relatively weak social safety net, says lead author Ashish Thakrar, medical resident at the Johns Hopkins Hospital and Health System.
Where the hell did MY America go? The neighborly, compassionate, we work together to make a better life for all of us?
You (generic you, not rxwine) can dis the Dems all you want. I think you're SERIOUSLY underestimating the backlash that's coming. And the Dems are the non-Trump right now. So they're going to be the undeserving beneficiaries.
Quote: billryanSo we would have First Class, Citizens and then the rest of the population. Would class be inherited? Wouldn't it be horrible to be born into privilege, only to lose it at 18..
Well, when you look at what conservatives actually suggest -- this looks pretty good to me as a compromise. I'm not talking about taking away basic needed services from anyone. But I do get tired of hearing, but we pay more, we support the people who pay nothing, why don't they work 3 jobs, or living wages won't work.
I'm suggesting giving taxpayers who pay more some bennies, but without taking away what I consider one of the things that is needed, and without adding extra cost which is what I consider the really important part of the idea. Now you actually get more for paying more taxes, whereas before you could only feel good about providing a safety net or gripe about people leeching. Because you are usually somewhere in one of those two camps.
Quote: beachbumbabsWhere the hell did MY America go? The neighborly, compassionate, we work together to make a better life for all of us?
I think I've been arguing the compassionate America for 20 years now. The only ones who listen, I don't need to convince. Just looking for new angles is all.
Quote: petroglyphSoros funded group Antifa, starts riot in Portland to stop Conservative group from permitted demonstration.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5905479/Shocking-moment-flash-bang-grenade-thrown-right-wing-Patriot-Prayer-rally-Portland.html
The Daily Mail is an inflamatory rag. Not a quality news source.
What did the quality sources have to say about it?Quote: OnceDearThe Daily Mail is an inflamatory rag. Not a quality news source.
Quote: OnceDearThe Daily Mail is an inflamatory rag. Not a quality news source.
It is valid in US, believe it.
In the memory whole.Quote: beachbumbabsWhere the hell did MY America go?
Follow the money.
Quote: rxwineI think I've been arguing the compassionate America for 20 years now. The only ones who listen, I don't need to convince. Just looking for new angles is all.
The left has used the “compassion” term to cover for lack of personal responsibility and making the hard decisions in life. It’s how we have allowed a growing class of people who feel they are entitled to stuff they don’t deserve or have earned. And yes, there are plenty on both sides.
America, still the greatest place on Earth to earn anything and everything you can dream of.
Still the simple basic fact, unless you are mentally or physically disadvantaged, you can be or do most anything you want in life in America, male or female. We have doctors and lawyers on here, and not a one of them was handed their degrees, they earned them. And made hard choices along the way.
Yes some are born into bad situations and will have it harder, but again, somewhere along the line wrong choices were made. Continuing the family tradition of being poor and on government assistance your entire life is nothing to be proud of. And yet at every turn any attempt to make dependents accountable in ways such as Drug Testing or Work requirements is met with complaints of racism and lack of “compassion “.
Recently near my town a Seafood store known as a drug front was just busted for taking EBT at 50% cash for over $2 Million. Easy for liberals to say these are good people deserving of our “compassion”. I see owners rightly arrested and charged, yet the people who abused their benefits will face nothing, all in the name of “compassion “. I see them also needing to held accountable.
Some claim stats of Children not getting enough to eat and want to see it as a failing of government. No it’s the failure of their parents to take personal responsibility and feed your kids. Get off your rear, get a job or a 2nd job and be responsible. Throwing money at the problem has never worked and never will.
Some will see this as a cynical mean spirited belief, but I see it as the correct version of “compassion “. Certainly not one that can better enjoy their $400 steak dinner at Guy Savoys with no regrets since they are “compassionate “ about others less fortunate than themselves.
Happy Birthday America, you truly are the land of opportunity.
Quote: BozThe left has used the “compassion” term to cover for lack of personal responsibility and making the hard decisions in life. It’s how we have allowed a growing class of people who feel they are entitled to stuff they don’t deserve or have earned. And yes, there are plenty on both sides.
America, still the greatest place on Earth to earn anything and everything you can dream of.
Still the simple basic fact, unless you are mentally or physically disadvantaged, you can be or do most anything you want in life in America, male or female. We have doctors and lawyers on here, and not a one of them was handed their degrees, they earned them. And made hard choices along the way.
Yes some are born into bad situations and will have it harder, but again, somewhere along the line wrong choices were made. Continuing the family tradition of being poor and on government assistance your entire life is nothing to be proud of. And yet at every turn any attempt to make dependents accountable in ways such as Drug Testing or Work requirements is met with complaints of racism and lack of “compassion “.
Recently near my town a Seafood store known as a drug front was just busted for taking EBT at 50% cash for over $2 Million. Easy for liberals to say these are good people deserving of our “compassion”. I see owners rightly arrested and charged, yet the people who abused their benefits will face nothing, all in the name of “compassion “. I see them also needing to held accountable.
Some claim stats of Children not getting enough to eat and want to see it as a failing of government. No it’s the failure of their parents to take personal responsibility and feed your kids. Get off your rear, get a job or a 2nd job and be responsible. Throwing money at the problem has never worked and never will.
Some will see this as a cynical mean spirited belief, but I see it as the correct version of “compassion “. Certainly not one that can better enjoy their $400 steak dinner at Guy Savoys with no regrets since they are “compassionate “ about others less fortunate than themselves.
Happy Birthday America, you truly are the land of opportunity.
Great counterpoint, Boz. I do think, though, that 41s "thousand points of light " and 43s "compassionate conservatism " were both more reflective of what is the best course for this country than where Trump's is taking us. Even WJCs work fare and welfare reform efforts were in the right arena. I've been pretty consistent in believing (and stating here) the "God helps those who help themselves" approach is a primary requirement for success in America.
The thing is, the current effort is a combination of hurting the poor to fund tax cuts to the rich, red meat to the Trump base who believe in stereotypes, and a conscious effort to disrupt and distract from the systemic dismantling of our government.
So, yeah, individual efforts of fraud are out there. These are figures by percentage of error/fraud for each program, by OMB and other federal sources.
Side note on this chart: Rick Scott, our despicable governor, was the CEO of one of the biggest Medicare fraud cases ever, think they were fined 1.5 BILLION for their thievery. Now he's running for Senator. Please don't anyone vote for him.
His fraud was well before 2015, the year this chart represents, but wanted to mention it because it's an example of how a great deal of the fraud shown in this chart is NOT the poor defrauding the government. It's systemic across all businesses and financial classes.
It's also worth noting that SNAP, which is the food program, is showing a relatively low 3.7% fraud rate, and Head Start, another constantly stereotyped program, is at 1.0%.
In contrast, and from the same article, people underreporting or cheating on their taxes represent more than 7 times that amount of fraud.
Quote:Uncollected Taxes and Improper Payments Exceed $500 Billion Annually
The GAO reported in October 2015 [iv] that uncollected taxes by the federal government plus improper payments made by the federal government, exceed $500 billion a year. That compares with a deficit in 2014 of $649 billion[v]. Therefore, if the government collected what it is due and could stop improper payments the deficit would drop by nearly 80%.
So both welfare programs and tax accountability need to be fixed. Both need better enforcement. But the tax fraud is likely to include many, even mostly not-poor people.
Compassion costs a lot less than unpatriotic cheats. And brings a lot more in benefits, if the money is used to raise healthy children and train adults for work they can do, and make THEM responsible for contributing or giving back.
Here's the full article:
http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html
Quote: EvenBobSlavery had nothing to do with
being black.
Nice attempt at historical revisionism.
In fact, slavery in the United States had everything to do with being black.
There were no white slaves in early America, at least not that I've read about; indentured servants, sure, but not slaves.
And no, so-called "white slavery,"i.e. sex trafficking, doesn't count as true slavery.
Quote: MrVNice attempt at historical revisionism.
In fact, slavery in the United States had everything to do with being black.
There were no white slaves in early America, at least not that I've read about; indentured servants, sure, but not slaves.
And no, so-called "white slavery,"i.e. sex trafficking, doesn't count as true slavery.
There are many reports of indentured servants being forced to breed with slaves in order to make their offspring black. It's a reason that many blacks in the US have Irish in their heritage
Quote: Gabes22BBB, I think it is time to end this whole "tax cuts for the rich" hysteria. By all accounts, the top 1 percent of all income earners in this country earn about 19 percent of the wages, yet pay about 38 percent of the taxes. The lowest 50 percent of all income earners earn roughly 11 percent of the income yet pay about 2 percent of the taxes. If you go by the philosophy if you earn 1 percent of the money you should pay 1 percent of the taxes, then cut-off to where you are paying too much to not enough of your fair share is somewhere roughly around the top 20 percent of income earners in this country. That said, if you are in the lower 80 percentile of income earners you probably do not pay your fair share, yet the vast majority of government programs that dole out benefits are catered to people that make lower incomes. So, not only do these people not A) pay their fair share but B) consume the largest share of the government dollars. The reason you hear the "tax cuts for the rich" being bandied about, is because they quite frankly are the only people that pay a significant amount of their income in taxes. As a gentleman who works off of commission, my checks get taxed at a different rate a few different times a month. If I have a lot of commissions and a $5,000 check for the week, my withholding is that of someone making a quarter million a year, or if business is slow and I have a $500 check, I get withheld at a completely different lower rate. Now granted, it all comes to a wash in the end because somewhere in the middle lies the average, but the underlying point is people who make a ton of money get taxed at a much higher rate than people on poverty. One of my dreams for this country is for everyone to pay a flat rate of income tax. This is supposedly the land where everyone gets treated equally under the law, it's not the land of equality, except we are in different tax brackets.
Yeah, my eyes glazed over on your first sentence. "Hysteria?" Let's try having a real conversation instead of pre-programmed inflammatory rhetoric.
83% of Trump's / this Congress' tax cuts went to the top 1%. They were already paying less as a percentage of income than their secretaries, per Warren Buffett i
2016. But they not only got bailed out, they got trillions we don't even have to pay them over the decade the bill covers. This country is going FURTHER into debt, "bigly", just to pay/not charge them.
Facts matter. Either you're being lied to, or you're deluding yourself.
Good luck with that flat tax thing. The 1% will be the FIRST in line to shout you down.
Quote: OnceDearThe Daily Mail is an inflamatory rag. Not a quality news source.
His usual go to, zeroinflation is a Putin mouthpiece so this was a actually an improvement.
https://taxfoundation.org/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2016-update/
Furthermore, I do not doubt there are individual cases of the numbers being skewed in individual circumstances, but these are the cold hard numbers for the cumulative
Quote: Gabes22BBB, I think it is time to end this whole "tax cuts for the rich" hysteria. By all accounts, the top 1 percent of all income earners in this country earn about 19 percent of the wages, yet pay about 38 percent of the taxes. The lowest 50 percent of all income earners earn roughly 11 percent of the income yet pay about 2 percent of the taxes. If you go by the philosophy if you earn 1 percent of the money you should pay 1 percent of the taxes, then cut-off to where you are paying too much to not enough of your fair share is somewhere roughly around the top 20 percent of income earners in this country. That said, if you are in the lower 80 percentile of income earners you probably do not pay your fair share, yet the vast majority of government programs that dole out benefits are catered to people that make lower incomes. So, not only do these people not A) pay their fair share but B) consume the largest share of the government dollars. The reason you hear the "tax cuts for the rich" being bandied about, is because they quite frankly are the only people that pay a significant amount of their income in taxes. As a gentleman who works off of commission, my checks get taxed at a different rate a few different times a month. If I have a lot of commissions and a $5,000 check for the week, my withholding is that of someone making a quarter million a year, or if business is slow and I have a $500 check, I get withheld at a completely different lower rate. Now granted, it all comes to a wash in the end because somewhere in the middle lies the average, but the underlying point is people who make a ton of money get taxed at a much higher rate than people on poverty. One of my dreams for this country is for everyone to pay a flat rate of income tax. This is supposedly the land where everyone gets treated equally under the law, it's not the land of equality, except we are in different tax brackets.
The wealthy get income from many sources besides wages, where the working poor usually get all their income from it.
You are comparing Apple's and oranges.
Quote: petroglyph
Soros funded group Antifa, starts riot in Portland to stop Conservative group from permitted demonstration.
I'll tell you the inherent problem with groups like Patriot Prayer.
They are in favor of first amendment rights and small government.
Okay, cool, so am I. So are a lot of people. And political affiliation has nothing to do with it. So why do they have to brand themselves as a right wing conservative group?
Just say you're Americans in favor of free speech and small government. If someone asks what party/side you're affiliated with, just say "neither."
Why the **** does everybody always have to pick a side and label themselves? It's only hurting whatever cause they believe in.
Yeah I read that first sentence from EB and just laughed, and laughed, then cried a little, but then got another chuckle or two out of it.Quote: MrVNice attempt at historical revisionism.Quote: EvenBobSlavery had nothing to do with
being black
In fact, slavery in the United States had everything to do with being black...
Quote: beachbumbabs83% of Trump's / this Congress' tax cuts went to the top 1%. They were already paying less as a percentage of income than their secretaries, per Warren Buffett i
2016. But they not only got bailed out, they got trillions we don't even have to pay them over the decade the bill covers. This country is going FURTHER into debt, "bigly", just to pay/not charge them.
Facts matter. Either you're being lied to, or you're deluding yourself.
Good luck with that flat tax thing. The 1% will be the FIRST in line to shout you down.
I already went over the benefits a working family got under the Tax BIll in the separate thread...remember: Tax Impact on Middle Class
Family of 4 making $75K per year got a 56%+ decrease in federal taxes ($3982 vs $1742 under new Tax Bill). Family of 4 making $60K is now paying no federal income taxes under the Tax Bill ($1736 liability goes to net refund of $58). Middle America is now paying anywhere from no federal income taxes to a whopping 2.3% of their gross income in federal taxes! The MSM's 83% tagline is all well and good because it relates to absolute dollars of tax savings (I think...never very much detail provided in those stories)...but we can use stats to say whatever we want. I can guarantee you that no 1% got a 56% reduction in their total federal tax liability or better than that a 103% reduction. But my facts showed that there are real families in America that are going to realize that percentage of savings.
I also showed you that the $1M earning family of 4's taxes under the new Tax Bill were essentially unchanged. Guess they didn't get much did they, but pretty sure they are in the 1%. Don't you think there is are a lot of executives out there somewhere pulling down a $1M salary...seems like a real set of facts doesn't it?
You're right, facts matter and I gave you some. Fact patterns that we all know are real and played out over and over across America. Buffet said HE paid less as a percentage of income than his secretary...how many Buffets (taxpayers that only pay capital gains tax) do you think are out there? Let me tell you there are a hell of a lot more Americans in one of the three fact patterns I listed than Buffet types.
So where are your facts or examples? I must have missed them between the "83%" sound bite you posted and you're Warren Buffet/Unicorn example? Who did you say was lied to or delusional again? Talk about pre-programmed inflammatory rhetoric....take a look in the mirror!
Quote: BozThe left has used the “compassion” term to cover for lack of personal responsibility and making the hard decisions in life. It’s how we have allowed a growing class of people who feel they are entitled to stuff they don’t deserve or have earned. And yes, there are plenty on both sides.
I suppose I should have stressed more, that I was also talking about working poor, not just the maintenance of safety net. Inability to purchase proper health care if needed is an example of your compassion?
Quote: MrVThere were no white slaves in early America,
So what. There are white slaves
throughout world history, including
today. Slavery is not race based.
As a matter of history, white Christian American who were kidnapped by the Muslims in the Mediterranean were victims not only of ransom demands, but were also pressed into slavery.Quote: EvenBobSo what. There are white slaves throughout world history, including today. Slavery is not race based.
I think they desperately need to cling to something, and down at church these are the rabbel rousers from the pot luck, who continually repost buzz phrases on facebook?Quote: TigerWuI'll tell you the inherent problem with groups like Patriot Prayer.
They are in favor of first amendment rights and small government.
Okay, cool, so am I. So are a lot of people. And political affiliation has nothing to do with it. So why do they have to brand themselves as a right wing conservative group?
Just say you're Americans in favor of free speech and small government. If someone asks what party/side you're affiliated with, just say "neither."
Why the **** does everybody always have to pick a side and label themselves? It's only hurting whatever cause they believe in.
I think they mean well, but don't know what well is?
I agree wholeheartedly on labeling. I'm a registered independent voter and have been since the mid 70's. It is a lot of effort to be informed, and most people won't take the time to go beyond a few catch phrases on their fave channel.
Van Buren's family owned six slaves. Van Buren personally owned one, Tom. Johnson owned several slaves and persuaded Lincoln to exempt Tennessee from the Emancipation Proclamation. Grant controlled slaves owned by his wife.Quote: billryanWilliam Shatner evidently doesn't know his history. Lincoln was the 16th President and didn't own slaves, nor did either of the John Adams, and Martin Van Buren. As slavery ended with our 17th President and no President came from the south for the next couple of decades, I'm pretty sure this is a fake fact.
Quote: billryanWilliam Shatner evidently doesn't know his history. Lincoln was the 16th President and didn't own slaves, nor did either of the John Adams, and Martin Van Buren. As slavery ended with our 17th President and no President came from the south for the next couple of decades, I'm pretty sure this is a fake fact.
12 Presidents owned slaves at one point or another. Plus, Shatner is Canadian so he probably didn't have to learn much U.S. history in school, but I think his point was that multiple people featured on U.S. currency were known slave owners and if you found that offensive you should send that money to him:
$1 George Washington
$2 Thomas Jefferson
$20 Andrew Jackson
$50 U.S. Grant
$100 Ben Franklin
Quote: TigerWu12 Presidents owned slaves at one point or another. Plus, Shatner is Canadian so he probably didn't have to learn much U.S. history in school, but I think his point was that multiple people featured on U.S. currency were known slave owners and if you found that offensive you should send that money to him:
$1 George Washington
$2 Thomas Jefferson
$20 Andrew Jackson
$50 U.S. Grant
$100 Ben Franklin
+ $10 Alexander Hamilton
Quote: JimRockford+ $10 Alexander Hamilton
I almost put that but I guess there's some dispute as to whether or not Hamilton actually ever owned slaves.
Quote: Gabes22but the underlying point is people who make a ton of money get taxed at a much higher rate than people on poverty.
What most people fail to see here, is they jump to poor to notice who is not paying their fair share.
For instance if people are all paying for some non-specific but same service.
If 2 people pay out $100
8 people pay out $50
16 people pay $25
30 people pay out nothing.
The answer isn't just the 30 at the bottom who aren't paying a fair share. Two groups above them also aren't paying the same rate as the top, so either the top should pay less or get a refund, or the other groups need to pay.
Just to focus on the bottom is utter hypocrisy.
Hey Boz have you paid your fair share?
Quote: beachbumbabsWhere the hell did MY America go? The neighborly, compassionate, we work together to make a better life for all of us?
You (generic you, not rxwine) can dis the Dems all you want. I think you're SERIOUSLY underestimating the backlash that's coming. And the Dems are the non-Trump right now. So they're going to be the undeserving beneficiaries.
That ship has sailed. I doubt there will be any appreciable backlash.
America has become the land of the corporate and the land of the corrupt. When a pharma can use its monopoly to charge 10000% margins due to a monopoly and pay off doctors to prescribe it one exchange for life you know things are messed up. When a government can stop accepting asylum applications indiscrimately or slow the handling of work and family visas to a halt you know things are messed up. When a government can fail to pass gun legislation that the great majority of Americans support you know lobbyists are messing up the relationship between representative and constituent. When an executive branch states things that its own intel community disputes (denuclearization) in order to put false hope in people you know things are not right. And when your GOP base runs out a tax cut package that is running then government at a 830 billion deficit this year and 900+ billion next year you know there is a problem.
As for the lack of compassion for others, America has turned inwards. People have become convinced that most immigrants pose a threat to the security and culture of this country. People have become convinced somehow that trickle down economics works and that corporations will go back to hiring American when Trump himself uses cheap foreign labor and materialsl. People have become convinced that tariffs and protectionism will help American labor. People have become convinced that North Korea, China and Russia are allies while Canada, Great Britain and German are ripping off Americans. Most importantly, people can not discern fact from fiction and are too lazy to do basic research and simply believe what they want to believe and trust sources (no matter how dubious they are) that supports what they think. America is in deep deep trouble and I doubt the damage it is doing to itself will be undone, which is fine because one can shape their own reality and live in delusion, just like the Germans in the 1930s and the North Koreans and Saudis today. The only difference is that Americans have a choice, and the choice people have seemed to make is long term psychosis. After all, it feels better, and thats all that counts.
Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow.
Quote: boymimboThat ship has sailed. I doubt there will be any appreciable backlash.
America has become the land of the corporate and the land of the corrupt. When a pharma can use its monopoly to charge 10000% margins due to a monopoly and pay off doctors to prescribe it one exchange for life you know things are messed up. When a government can stop accepting asylum applications indiscrimately or slow the handling of work and family visas to a halt you know things are messed up. When a government can fail to pass gun legislation that the great majority of Americans support you know lobbyists are messing up the relationship between representative and constituent. When an executive branch states things that its own intel community disputes (denuclearization) in order to put false hope in people you know things are not right. And when your GOP base runs out a tax cut package that is running then government at a 830 billion deficit this year and 900+ billion next year you know there is a problem.
As for the lack of compassion for others, America has turned inwards. People have become convinced that most immigrants pose a threat to the security and culture of this country. People have become convinced somehow that trickle down economics works and that corporations will go back to hiring American when Trump himself uses cheap foreign labor and materialsl. People have become convinced that tariffs and protectionism will help American labor. People have become convinced that North Korea, China and Russia are allies while Canada, Great Britain and German are ripping off Americans. Most importantly, people can not discern fact from fiction and are too lazy to do basic research and simply believe what they want to believe and trust sources (no matter how dubious they are) that supports what they think. America is in deep deep trouble and I doubt the damage it is doing to itself will be undone, which is fine because one can shape their own reality and live in delusion, just like the Germans in the 1930s and the North Koreans and Saudis today. The only difference is that Americans have a choice, and the choice people have seemed to make is long term psychosis. After all, it feels better, and thats all that counts.
Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow.
When every person claims asylum...you know the rest
Quote: billryanHis usual go to, zeroinflation is a Putin mouthpiece so this was a actually an improvement.
#yellowcake
Quote: rxwineWhat most people fail to see here, is they jump to poor to notice who is not paying their fair share.
For instance if people are all paying for some non-specific but same service.
If 2 people pay out $100
8 people pay out $50
16 people pay $25
30 people pay out nothing.
The answer isn't just the 30 at the bottom who aren't paying a fair share. Two groups above them also aren't paying the same rate as the top, so either the top should pay less or get a refund, or the other groups need to pay.
Just to focus on the bottom is utter hypocrisy.
Hey Boz have you paid your fair share?
A fair share is $17.85. So in your example, it’s only the bottom group (30 paying $0) who aren’t paying a fair share. But I agree with you, those at the top should pay less and those at the bottom should pay more, so everyone pays $17.85.
Quote: RS
A fair share is $17.85. So in your example, it’s only the bottom group (30 paying $0) who aren’t paying a fair share. But I agree with you, those at the top should pay less and those at the bottom should pay more, so everyone pays $17.85.
Congrats. I should have calculated my example for that before I posted.
However the point remains. Even most taxpayers haven't actually paid their fair share over the years, not just the impoverished. But people generally aren't looking in the mirror when they are blaming someone for it. Just blaming the poor.
This is supposed to promote unity?
How about for every thousand in taxes paid, you get an extra vote that you can bank for future use.
Quote: billryanSo I'm Joe Six pack and I take the afternoon off to register a car. After two hours of standing on line, Dr Kildare strolls in and jumps ahead of me to register his back up weekend car.
This is supposed to promote unity?
How about for every thousand in taxes paid, you get an extra vote that you can bank for future use.
Man, I hope that's either sarcasm or reductio ad absurdum . Lol...
It is about $12,000 per person, including non-wage earners such as children.
It is even higher when divided up against wage earners.
That would just be federal tax, not state or local, property tax, sales tax, etc.
The average family size is about 2.5 people, so the average federal tax owed per family would be $30,000.
