Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: EvenBobI was always a big Krauthammer fan until
2016. He went on and on all summer on
how Trump couldn't get the nomination,
and then when he got it, he would never
win.
So after Trump wins, Charles, who hates to
be wrong, doubled down on why Trump
would ruin the country. Then he got sick
last summer and hasn't been around to
comment on all Trump's huge successes.
Now he'll never be back, but I can only guess
that he would still be dissing Trump because
Krauthammer's ego is so huge he can never
be wrong, even when he is.
George Will has been the same way. I liked both of them, but seems they want to represent the Country Club set, embarrassed about working class white conservatives voting GOP. It has really been just the last few months that most of the establishment has decided the guy isn't going to fail and isn't going away.
Quote: AZDuffmanNot at all. No one bit. I am just not going to play the double standard game where conservatives are supposed to throw their guy overboard while liberals defend theirs to the death.
Nice try. You got 6.5 more years of cashing the check that was written for Clinton in the 1990s.
I knew you were liberal all along
But trouble counting. Only 2 1/2 years :)
And cashing what check? Im cash only, baby
When I feel like I'm winnin' when I'm losin' again
Quote: AZDuffmanIt has really been just the last few months that most of the establishment has decided the guy isn't going to fail and isn't going away.
Earlier this year Howard Stearn and Letterman
did an interview together. They both
agreed that hands down Trump was the
best guest they had on their shows.
Over the decades Trump was on scores
of times. They both said he was always
funny, smart, witty, opinionated, and had
an unreal thick skin. You could make fun
of his hair, his weight, his marriages, his
casinos, and Trump was never offended
and always had a quick reply. They said
as a guest he never disappointed, the
audience loved him.
Where Trump got this rep he has now
of a thin skin is a mystery. Just because
he has a witty or sarcastic comeback,
doesn't mean he's thin skinned. Even
though Howard and Letterman are
big Libs, neither had a bad word to say
about The Donald.
Quote: EvenBob
Where Trump got this rep he has now
of a thin skin is a mystery. Just because
he has a witty or sarcastic comeback,
doesn't mean he's thin skinned. Even
though Howard and Letterman are
big Libs, neither had a bad word to say
about The Donald.
It is because they think "presidential" is a GOP POTUS who just lets people attack him and does nothing. Like Bush, he ignored attacks and lost all credibility. Eventually his supporters figured "if he will not defend himself shy should I?"
Deep down, Trump seems to be a blue collar guy. He is not aloof like Obama was. Can you imagine where his approval would be with a balanced news media?
Seriously, you are entitled to be as delusiuonal as you want, but at least try to back up your thoughts with something approaching a fact.
Is it his rough and tumble childhood? His military experience? His summers hauling bricks at Daddys job sites?
Anything?
Quote: AZDuffmanIt is because they think "presidential" is a GOP POTUS who just lets people attack him and does nothing. Like Bush, he ignored attacks and lost all credibility. Eventually his supporters figured "if he will not defend himself shy should I?"
Deep down, Trump seems to be a blue collar guy. He is not aloof like Obama was. Can you imagine where his approval would be with a balanced news media?
Yes i can
If Fox news was balanced his approval ratings would be around 20% Just the crazies would support him
Quote: billryanWhat,in the wide world of sports, makes you think trump is a blue collar type of guy?
Seriously, you are entitled to be as delusiuonal as you want, but at least try to back up your thoughts with something approaching a fact.
Is it his rough and tumble childhood? His military experience? His summers hauling bricks at Daddys job sites?
Anything?
When someone claimed he thinks Trump doesn't lie, Joseph Goebbels sat up in his grave and said, "Say what, bro? No one's going to believe that!"
Quote: billryanWhat,in the wide world of sports, makes you think trump is a blue collar type of guy?
Seriously, you are entitled to be as delusiuonal as you want, but at least try to back up your thoughts with something approaching a fact.
Is it his rough and tumble childhood? His military experience? His summers hauling bricks at Daddys job sites?
Anything?
How he understands blue collar folks. His being in a real industry and not from politics/academia. His knowing how to make a payroll. His love of simple foods.
Quote: AZDuffmanHow he understands blue collar folks. His being in a real industry and not from politics/academia. His knowing how to make a payroll. His love of simple foods.
Lol
Yessss
Because all blue collar folk eat pizza or KFC chicken wings with a knife and fork
Trump obviously fits in with all those guys
The trump AZ/EB comedy hour
With special guest host Maxpen
The part of the tv lawyer will be played by AOS
Quote: darkoz
Because all blue collar folk eat pizza or KFC chicken wings with a knife and fork
Trump understands blue collar
because he was the hands on
boss to construction crews for
decades. He had a rep for never
mincing words or getting into
small talk. He arrived at the site,
told you what was what, and left.
There was never any doubt he was
the boss.
He did the same in office meetings.
You got no drink offer, no banter
about the wife and kiddies. Trump
got right to the business at hand,
and it was over fast and he was on
to the next guy. That's how he got so
much done and continues to get
it done.
Quote: EvenBobTrump understands blue collar
because he was the hands on
boss to construction crews for
decades.
It is what made him tough. Who ran the concrete and drywall construction in Manhattan in the 1980s. One thing is for sure, it was not the Boy Scouts. A developer who was not tough would get eaten alive.
Quote:He did the same in office meetings.
You got no drink offer, no banter
about the wife and kiddies. Trump
got right to the business at hand,
and it was over fast and he was on
to the next guy. That's how he got so
much done and continues to get
it done.
Some snowflakes cannot handle a guy like that. I always preferred it. Because they tell you what they want done. And they empower you to do it. No grey areas. Kim Jong-un is not going to know what hit him!
Quote: AZDuffmanHow he understands blue collar folks. His being in a real industry and not from politics/academia. His knowing how to make a payroll. His love of simple foods.
Sure, con-man garbage. What he DOES, though, speaks much more clearly.
All Trump products were outsourced outside US for cheap labor.
Hundreds of small contractors, more hundreds of individuals, entering in good faith, getting stiffed their wages and fees and having to sue for them.
Thousands of individuals taken for tuition and fees to a scam school.
Hiring immigrant laborers for his properties and projects, paying below minimum wage.
Claiming "bone spurs" for military deferments 5 times.
All designed to screw the little guy, and just a subset of the things he's done that are unethical and repugnant.
All documented, reported by the BALANCED media, subject of thousands of lawsuits and settlements.
The self-delusion involved in ignoring EVERYTHING the guy has done and buying his "I'm one of you" bs speeches outdoes even the richest TV preachers. Who probably paved the way, because there's a huge overlap between sheep of theirs and sheep of Trump's.
Quote: AZDuffmanKim Jong-un is not going to know what hit him!
I wonder how he'll handle it. Trump
is going in holding all the cards.
This is what we offer, take it or
leave it. None of Obama's bowing
and scraping and ass kissing.
I’m rooting for Trudeau.
Quote: EvenBob
You got no drink offer, no banter
about the wife and kiddies. Trump
got right to the business at hand,
and it was over fast.
Im sure that describes how trump handles his hookers
Quote: darkozIm sure that describes how trump handles his hookers
Except several of them have described how he always creepily compares them to Ivanka.
Quote: EvenBobI wonder how he'll handle it. Trump
is going in holding all the cards.
This is what we offer, take it or
leave it. None of Obama's bowing
and scraping and ass kissing.
If he thinks he will have another Obama, he has another thing coming. Trump is smart enough to have some "throwaway" demands, as smart negotiators always do. The big question is how in awe will Kim be. He has likely met few foreign leaders at all. He is still relatively young. Kim needs a deal, Trump does not. Trump does not play by the "rulebook" that will limit his choices.
Too soon to tell if we will get a Nixon-goes-to-China moment.
Quote: ams288The giant man baby is currently in a twitter war with Justin Trudeau.
I’m rooting for Trudeau.
Trudeau has already lost. He said how awful Trump's immigration stance was, how Canada was welcoming. Not when he has to man-up, he is not all welcoming to immigrants as he said he was. He is learning the hard way that words mean things, and if you tell people to come on in, they will.
And that is just one issue. Wait until Trump wins on trade!
Quote: AZDuffman*EXCERPT* Who ran the concrete and drywall construction in Manhattan in the 1980s. One thing is for sure, it was not the Boy Scouts.
Excellent “Back to School” reference
Quote: ams288The giant man baby is currently in a twitter war with Justin Trudeau.
I’m rooting for Trudeau.
Quote: AZDuffmanKim needs a deal, Trump does not.
Trump is very aware that the Kim
family are famous for saying one
thing in a deal, and completely
ignoring what they said later.
If Kim thinks he will do this with
Trump, big surprise coming. If
he doesn't do what he agrees
to do, Trump will cancel the deal
and Kim will be screwed.
Obama is long gone, he better
wise up.
Quote: aceofspades
OMG, this is so funny and true!!
IIRC didn't you disappear for like a year from the forum when you were wrong about Obama winning?Quote: EvenBob. Then he got sick
last summer and hasn't been around to
comment on all Trump's huge successes.
Quote: aceofspadesExcellent “Back to School” reference
The business professor in that movie always reminded me of Obama. That scene would be how a conversation between Trump and Obama would probably go.
But to reality, Trump did have to deal with those people. Not to mention the planning commissions and building inspectors. It is not for no reason that it costs so much more to build in NYC.
When Trump legalizes weed his general approval ratings will continue to rise, and his black male approval ratings will hit all time record levels for an R. since the 50s.
Also he will have more ammo to use against Clinton (if she runs again) and establish Rs., because Wikileaks has proven that the reason Clinton was anti-marijuana was purely because of donors (Wall Street did not want a recreational drug interfering with their alcohol and pharmaceutical trade).
But, that is a minor issue compared to how he will denuclearize North Korea, restore relations with Russia, and balance out the Middle East.
All in all it has been a golden age since Trump has won. Taxes are down, violent crime nationwide is continuing is downward trend, the economy is boosted (so much for the Clinton fear-mongering about the markets crashing under Trump, the only market that is crashing is illegal drug smuggling).
Once Trump legalizes Marijuana (even if it is only to get back at Jeff Sessions, don't care), and denuclearizes North Korea, his ratings will go through the roof, maybe one of the highest rated Presidents of all time. And, once he continues to use more powerful weapons against ISIS, his ratings will continue to rise.
Nobody cares about Stormy Daniels, some Russia conspiracy, and using the P word on a bus. And, I watch a lot of leftist shows, all they have are jokes about Trump's sexual infidelity, his poor mannerisms, and Russia. Nobody cares except for extreme religious people (who would still vote for Trump over 99% of Ds.).....
Trump will win in 2020 if he runs. The only way he will not win is if he is not on the ballet or an external factor removes him from the election at the last minute (impeachment, assassination, etc.....)
Quote: GandlerAlso he will have more ammo to use against Clinton (if she runs again) and establish Rs.
One of the things I’m looking forward to most about 2020 is how much despair the righties will be in when Hillary doesn’t run again.
Quote: ams288One of the things I’m looking forward to most about 2020 is how much despair the righties will be in when Hillary doesn’t run again.
Nobody who wants to win will run against Trump as an incumbent. Clinton is easy to defeat. But, nobody who runs against him will win. I am already assuming Clinton will not run. Sanders will not run (he cannot risk losing to Trump) . A lot of the mainstream Democrats will not risk running.
My guess is we will see some strange D. outliers who just want the publicity. And maybe some interesting 3rd party candidates.
Perhaps, this "glorification" is true only if you think only of yourself. And that there are still some of those persons to be counted.Quote: GandlerNot only are Trump's approval ratings about as high as they have ever been, pretty much in the range of "normal Presidents". Most notably, his approval ratings for black males are 22%, a legendary high as far as Rs go. (This made a quick peak after Kanye West's Endorsement).
When Trump legalizes weed his general approval ratings will continue to rise, and his black male approval ratings will hit all time record levels for an R. since the 50s.
Also he will have more ammo to use against Clinton (if she runs again) and establish Rs., because Wikileaks has proven that the reason Clinton was anti-marijuana was purely because of donors (Wall Street did not want a recreational drug interfering with their alcohol and pharmaceutical trade).
But, that is a minor issue compared to how he will denuclearize North Korea, restore relations with Russia, and balance out the Middle East.
All in all it has been a golden age since Trump has won. Taxes are down, violent crime nationwide is continuing is downward trend, the economy is boosted (so much for the Clinton fear-mongering about the markets crashing under Trump, the only market that is crashing is illegal drug smuggling).
Once Trump legalizes Marijuana (even if it is only to get back at Jeff Sessions, don't care), and denuclearizes North Korea, his ratings will go through the roof, maybe one of the highest rated Presidents of all time. And, once he continues to use more powerful weapons against ISIS, his ratings will continue to rise.
Nobody cares about Stormy Daniels, some Russia conspiracy, and using the P word on a bus. And, I watch a lot of leftist shows, all they have are jokes about Trump's sexual infidelity, his poor mannerisms, and Russia. Nobody cares except for extreme religious people (who would still vote for Trump over 99% of Ds.).....
Trump will win in 2020 if he runs. The only way he will not win is if he is not on the ballet or an external factor removes him from the election at the last minute (impeachment, assassination, etc.....)
The bigger picture is that Trump is, relatively speaking, at lightning speed, ruining the American way built up over centuries. A bubble that can only burst at its singularity.
Quote: 1MatterToMotionPerhaps, this "glorification" is true only if you think only of yourself. And that there are still some of those persons to be counted.
The bigger picture is that Trump is, relatively speaking, at lightning speed, ruining the American way built up over centuries. A bubble that can only burst at its singularity.
Of course polls are not perfect. But, his numbers are up all around (we can debate the exact figure, again polls are not a science), and even his most adamant enemies admit it (in fact they are talking nonstop about it)....
But, what do you mean by "......ruining the American way built up over centuries. A bubble that can only burst at its singularity. "? I honestly have no idea what this means.
And, how is this only true if I think only of myself, I cited many key issues the impact not just Americans, but most of the world?
The economy is on the rise, more jobs than ever (even with the increase in automation). Violent Crime is at an all time low, of course there are pockets where this is not true, such as Chicago, and Trump wanted to address this with Federal LEO patrols, and even some talk of Military Patrols, but Chicago was not having it, so you cannot say that Trump did not try. Marijuana will be the icing on the cake. I have a feeling he will legalize it a little closer to the election for obvious reasons. This will also be a boost to the economy, and it will also stop drug smugglers at the border, as well as solve a lot of the violent and gang crime issues in metro areas, so even though talking about weed may sound trivial, it could achieve three of his objectives. And, the federal tax on marijuana (which there will doubtless be) can be used to fund a wall and border security.
If Trump loses I will register as a Democrat (or even Green Party if you prefer), if Trump wins you will have to register as a Republican. Also, the winner or loser will have to do a public announcement about how excited they are for the new or continuing President (while wearing a MAGA hat).
If you do not take this bet, then you are not 100% confident that Trump will lose.
I remember not so long ago in this forum everyone was laughing at Trump's chances of winning. And, anyone who supported Trump was either a racist or not grounded in probability, but nobody is laughing now. I remember the classic "Well the book keepers and pollsters all have Clinton at over 90%"...............
Trump will win again in 2020.
(Again the only way he will not is if he chooses to not run again or physically cannot run again).
Quote: 1MatterToMotionWithout citing specifics - go to the non-Fox outlets for that - it seems to me that Trump contemplates and does those things that further enrich himself. And that, as time goes on, those things will overlap with the interests of fewer others.
I doubt it. Tariffs certainly do not help his company. Refusing to apologize for certain statements (and consequently losing bonds with certain very large retailers) do not enrich himself. A trade war with China will do massive damage to his company (and anyone who produces there).
Do you have a specific example of something that he did to enrich himself? I mean he was a pretty rich guy before he went in, I would bet his net worth has decreased. Unlike Clinton and Obama whose Net Worth respectively went through the roof during and after their Presidency..... Bush went up, but not by a huge amount, he was also pretty well off before the Presidency (nothing on Trump's level).
Quote: GandlerI am so confident that Trump will win, I am willing to bet anyone, not for money, something more interesting. Party Membership.
If Trump loses I will register as a Democrat (or even Green Party if you prefer), if Trump wins you will have to register as a Republican. Also, the winner or loser will have to do a public announcement about how excited they are for the new or continuing President (while wearing a MAGA hat).
If you do not take this bet, then you are not 100% confident that Trump will lose.
I remember not so long ago in this forum everyone was laughing at Trump's chances of winning. And, anyone who supported Trump was either a racist or not grounded in probability, but nobody is laughing now. I remember the classic "Well the book keepers and pollsters all have Clinton at over 90%"...............
Trump will win again in 2020.
(Again the only way he will not is if he chooses to not run again or physically cannot run again).
I’ll take this bet on slightly different terms.
If Trump legalized marijuana as you predict, as in 100% legal in all 50 states for recreational use, before his 1st term is up, I will register republican and vote for him in the primary and regular election.
You can define the terms for what you need to do if he does not get that done.
Quote: gamerfreakI’ll take this bet on slightly different terms.
If Trump legalized marijuana as you predict, as in 100% legal in all 50 states for recreational use, before his 1st term is up, I will register republican and vote for him in the primary and regular election.
You can define the terms for what you need to do if he does not get that done.
Well, I cannot take this bet because states still have the right to outlaw alcohol. Some states likely will outlaw recreational use of alcohol (just like some states did with alcohol in the early days). They have the right to, and the President cannot control a states actions.
Also, it needs to get through congress, which looks hopeful, but there are still old school anti-weed people in both parties that will oppose it. So this is a bet I cannot take, because it is unfair to me (way too many roadblocks on both the Federal and State level) that I would just have to hope would be overcome.
Quote: GandlerOnce Trump legalizes Marijuana (even if it is only to get back at Jeff Sessions, don't care), and denuclearizes North Korea, his ratings will go through the roof, maybe one of the highest rated Presidents of all time. And, once he continues to use more powerful weapons against ISIS, his ratings will continue to rise.
Marijuana was going to be legalized anyway eventually. Not sure Trump is going to benefit bigly. No telling what will happen with NK yet. ISIS was losing ground before Trump was elected, not winning.
I guess that I am just speculating about an overall picture. In any event, I haven't the time, and expertise or interest in politics, to combat your fine points one by one. It still just seems to me that it's more and more coming to a world of big money that has now finally overtaken its politics (for people). Trump is messing with Russia and China behind the scenes to form a new-world order. That's pretty scary.Quote: GandlerI doubt it. Tariffs certainly do not help his company. Refusing to apologize for certain statements (and consequently losing bonds with certain very large retailers) do not enrich himself. A trade war with China will do massive damage to his company (and anyone who produces there).
Do you have a specific example of something that he did to enrich himself? I mean he was a pretty rich guy before he went in, I would bet his net worth has decreased. Unlike Clinton and Obama whose Net Worth respectively went through the roof during and after their Presidency..... Bush went up, but not by a huge amount, he was also pretty well off before the Presidency (nothing on Trump's level).
I thought Obama stated he was going to have the most 'transparent' administration ever
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/06/10/crisis_at_the_national_archives_137241.html
Quote: aceofspadesThis sounds about right #ThanksObama
"Former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy called it “an unauthorized private communications system for official business for the patent purpose of defeating federal record-keeping and disclosure laws.”
This was done with the 100% lock
Hillary was supposed to have on
the presidency. They were setting
up a shadow gov't that, had She
won, would have gone on for
another 8 years and this country
as we know it would have been
gone forever.
Now we see why the total panic to
get rid of Trump. This couldn't come
out, and it is coming out. I could never
figure why there was all this blatant
hatred for Trump. It was that we would
find out that happened under Obama
that they were terrified of, getting
rid of Trump was the smokescreen to
cover it up.
"This country as we know it is gone."
Now. Already. Every most treasured, underlying value, every freedom, every part of the USConstitution, is under attack.
But, yeah, let's drop another distractor into the mix.
Hopefully not forever. This will not be the country of nasty old men forever. This too, shall pass.
Quote: beachbumbabsHyperbole much?
Reminds me of the Clinton operative
who was caught stuffing papers
into his pants in 2005, damning stuff
from the Clinton years. There are
still thousands of papers missing,
this was before it was digitized.
Berger Thefts Still Weigh on Archives Agents
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/03/14/berger-thefts-still-weigh-on-archives-agents
Quote: GandlerWell, I cannot take this bet because states still have the right to outlaw alcohol. Some states likely will outlaw recreational use of alcohol (just like some states did with alcohol in the early days). They have the right to, and the President cannot control a states actions.
Also, it needs to get through congress, which looks hopeful, but there are still old school anti-weed people in both parties that will oppose it. So this is a bet I cannot take, because it is unfair to me (way too many roadblocks on both the Federal and State level) that I would just have to hope would be overcome.
I’ll lower the bar quite a bit.
If Marijuana is simply de-scheduled by the DEA under Trump, I will register republican and vote for Trump in both the primary and general elections.
Really? I like Trump but even I can understand why many people hate him.Quote: EvenBobI could never
figure why there was all this blatant
hatred for Trump.
Quote: AxelWolfReally? I like Trump but even I can understand why many people hate him.
Hating someone is one thing, TDS is consuming the lives of more than a few people. Not just average folks, but at very high levels in some cases. In others, people having near nervous breakdowns. Its unreal.
Quote: gamerfreakI’ll lower the bar quite a bit.
If Marijuana is simply de-scheduled by the DEA under Trump, I will register republican and vote for Trump in both the primary and general elections.
They may have to. As you are probably aware cannabis is considered a class 1 drug, equal to heroin in the governments eyes. One stipulation for a class one drug is that it has "no medicinal value".
In late April an FDA panel unanimously approved Epidiolex, a cannabis based medication.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2018/04/19/fda-panel-votes-to-approve-marijuana-based-drug-for-epilepsy/#71b9ff344f69
The final review and approval is supposed to be decided before the end of the month.
I have read some ramblings that they may try to limit any changes to CBD, but it would seem rather difficult for them to state it "has no medicinal value" if they approve it. And that may trigger a wider reclassification.
Quote: beachbumbabsHyperbole much?
"This country as we know it is gone."
Now. Already. Every most treasured, underlying value, every freedom, every part of the USConstitution, is under attack.
But, yeah, let's drop another distractor into the mix.
Hopefully not forever. This will not be the country of nasty old men forever. This too, shall pass.
Hmmm what has President Trump done to destroy the Const.?
I know the Left wants to destroy free speech and the second amendment every chance they can get
Quote: aceofspadesHmmm what has President Trump done to destroy the Const.?
I know the Left wants to destroy free speech and the second amendment every chance they can get
We do not have anything against free speech
Now please stop talkin
Quote: darkozWe do not have anything against free speech
Now please stop talkin
"From his first days in office, President Obama has forged a collaborative relationship with the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. The OIC is the largest United Nations bloc. It includes 56 nations with significant Muslim populations plus the Palestinian Authority (which these Muslim nations regard as a fellow sovereign). Throughout her four years as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton was Obama’s point-person in the administration’s collusion with the OIC.
Among the most significant “achievements” of this partnership — and, from a constitutional perspective, the most appalling one — has been the adoption of Resolution 16/18. In blatant violation of the First Amendment, this provision calls on Western governments to outlaw any speech that “constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence” toward religion, on the rationale that such speech could provoke “religious hatred.” nro
The resolution, if honored, is a drastic violation of First Amendment free-speech principles, which protect speech that constitutes political debate and promotes the introduction of accurate information in discussions of public policy. These are cornerstones of a self-governing, properly functioning republic." nro
Quote: SanchoPanza"From his first days in office, President Obama has forged a collaborative relationship with the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. The OIC is the largest United Nations bloc. It includes 56 nations with significant Muslim populations plus the Palestinian Authority (which these Muslim nations regard as a fellow sovereign). Throughout her four years as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton was Obama’s point-person in the administration’s collusion with the OIC.
Among the most significant “achievements” of this partnership — and, from a constitutional perspective, the most appalling one — has been the adoption of Resolution 16/18. In blatant violation of the First Amendment, this provision calls on Western governments to outlaw any speech that “constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence” toward religion, on the rationale that such speech could provoke “religious hatred.” nro
The resolution, if honored, is a drastic violation of First Amendment free-speech principles, which protect speech that constitutes political debate and promotes the introduction of accurate information in discussions of public policy. These are cornerstones of a self-governing, properly functioning republic." nro
Yeah, the even the Pope supported that resolution (presumably to prevent criticism of Catholic scandals)......
I have a right to make fun of any religion, especially Islam.... If your religion is so fragile that it turns to violence against artists, it deserves mocking.....
This is why, Rosanne's tweet was not totally off....
