Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: aceofspadesWhat does losing the election have to do with her crimes? If you lose an election, your crimes are wiped out?
Pssss, it's May of 2018. Unlike the Mueller investigation, the Hillary investigation has been concluded.
Quote: aceofspadesWhat does losing the election have to do with her crimes? If you lose an election, your crimes are wiped out?
I don't give a crap about Hillary. You brought her up.
P.S. What crimes was she convicted of again?
Quote: SteverinosQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: SteverinosUmm, Trump has been heaping praise on Kim lately, a man that murders his own people. He's called him "very honorable" and "excellent".
He's a lot of things, but he's not very honorable and he's in no way excellent.
Didn't Bill Clinton praise Janet Reno, a woman who burned to death her own people?
I have no idea what Bill or Hillary Clinton have to do with the conversation we are having. You crack me up.
Just wondering if praising someone who murdered their own people always bothered you or not.
Quote: SteverinosUmm, Trump has been heaping praise on Kim lately, a man that murders his own people. He's called him "very honorable" and "excellent".
He's a lot of things, but he's not very honorable and he's in no way excellent.
Will the real conservatives please stand up? Geez.
Yup
No doubt they pretty much executed an American citizen
Otto Warmbier
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: SteverinosQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: SteverinosUmm, Trump has been heaping praise on Kim lately, a man that murders his own people. He's called him "very honorable" and "excellent".
He's a lot of things, but he's not very honorable and he's in no way excellent.
Didn't Bill Clinton praise Janet Reno, a woman who burned to death her own people?
I have no idea what Bill or Hillary Clinton have to do with the conversation we are having. You crack me up.
Just wondering if praising someone who murdered their own people always bothered you or not.
I understand the point you are trying to make. Duh.
But see, I'm a father and husband and a person and a citizen of the USA before I'm anything else, including whatever political leanings I may have at the moment. And those leanings are fluid as times and circumstances change. But what is NOT fluid? Basic human decency. And praising somebody that murders their own people is NEVER okay in my book.
So to answer your question, YES, it has always and will continue to always bother me.
Quote: aceofspadesHe did not call him excellent - he said he treated the hostages excellently while they were in NK custody
Yes. If you think being imprisoned in NK is excellent treatment. One said right off he had to do hard labor. Is that excellent? One said he wanted to get off the plane in Alaska, because he hadn't seen daylight in a long time. Is that excellent?
No doubt, Trump was briefed, but paid little attention.
As Vlad said, US presidents change, US policy doesn't. It continues from admin to admin.Quote: TigerWuOh, whoops, I forgot we're besties with "our biggest geopolitical foe" now.
Sorry, but Republican foreign policy changes so often it makes my head spin.
I asked what you think Russia has done, that is worth making such an enemy of? Remember, pick your enemies wisely. There is a giant confrontation coming with OBOR.
We need Russia on our side. They are logically, potentially as you said, besties. It makes sense in our goal for world domination to include a giant, Christian, and yes caucasian country, whose wants are very similar to ours. They would be much better frenemies than Saudi. They are currently our only means to get to the International space station.
A while back some members here wanted to start confrontations with Russia, while our astronaut was still aboard the space station w/o a ride home.
I haven't been watching, were the released prisoners in NK legally?Quote: rxwineYes. If you think being imprisoned in NK is excellent treatment.
Quote: aceofspadesWhat does losing the election have to do with her crimes? If you lose an election, your crimes are wiped out?
What crimes?
I'm gonna have to hold you to the "aceofspades standard" on this:
Quote: aceofspadesI will ask this again - name the 'serious crime' Trump committed - please cite the Federal statute he has violated
Quote: SteverinosRedundant.
You can say that again. #RedundancyJokes
Quote: petroglyph
I asked what you think Russia has done, that is worth making such an enemy of?
I don't know, why did Trump want to slap them with sanctions just last month?
Quote: aceofspadesDid you say the same when he demeaned "Little Rocket Man"?
When the Lib woman was bawling her
eyes out on TV when Trump bombed Syria,
that he just started WW III, I literally LOL.
Most people have no idea how the real
world works. Nobody, not even Iran, really
wants a nuke war. It's a no win. And you
especially don't want one with the US. We're
the bully on the beach that kicks sand
in YOUR face, you do not kick sand in ours.
People who understand the world know this.
Those who don't, bawl on TV about war, and
wring their hands when our president calls
a pot bellied despot of a 3rd world country
names. It's all a game, you don't really poke
the bully seriously because the bully will
pull your arms off and feed them to you.
Trump is a bully, bout time we had one in
the WH. Bullies are what we need at times.
Quote: RSMy money’s on AOS coming back and responding, stating federal statutes and whatnot of Clinton’s crimes. At the very minimum, he’ll put up a response, unlike the dems who fall back on “Collusion! Racism! He’s mean! He uses the tax code to pay the minimum he can! He made tons of money with a loan! Unfair! He lost popular vote!”
I'd like to note that I, personally, have never said Trump was guilty of any crime, but it got me googling and holy cow, check out these wikipedia entries on his legal problems.... haha...
Trump's legal affairs, 1973 to present
Lawsuits involving Trump during his Presidency
Quote: RSYou can say that again. #RedundancyJokes
lol, have a good weekend!
Quote: EvenBobWhen the Lib woman was bawling her
eyes out on TV when Trump bombed Syria,
that he just started WW III, I literally LOL.
Most people have no idea how the real
world works. Nobody, not even Iran, really
wants a nuke war. It's a no win. And you
especially don't want one with the US. We're
the bully on the beach that kicks sand
in YOUR face, you do not kick sand in ours.
People who understand the world know this.
Those who don't, bawl on TV about war, and
wring their hands when our president calls
a pot bellied despot of a 3rd world country
names. It's all a game, you don't really poke
the bully seriously because the bully will
pull your arms off and feed them to you.
Trump is a bully, bout time we had one in
the WH. Bullies are what we need at times.
If I had died for your sins, I'd be having second thoughts right about now.
Quote: EvenBob
Most people have no idea how the real
world works. Nobody, not even Iran, really
wants a nuke war. It's a no win. And you
especially don't want one with the US. We're
the bully on the beach that kicks sand
in YOUR face, you do not kick sand in ours.
I have seen interviews of Soviets who were around in the 1980s. They said that not so deep in their thinking was that the USA is still the only nation that ever used nukes. For all their tough talk, they still deferred to us like we were some mafia boss who had lots of work under his belt and showed respect to that. You can believe most nations think this way. They say Kadaffi in Libya got serious when his wife got on him after she saw what happened to Saddam's kids. Rocket Man may have taken a hard look around and decided to come around.
The USA has a reputation of playing for keeps. We do get the occasional POTUS who does not, and they get found out fast. Example is Obama and his "red line." But like Reagan after Carter, the world sees the difference.
Quote: AZDuffman
The USA has a reputation of playing for keeps.
Has anybody seriously attacked us since
the end of WWII 73 years ago? There's a
reason for that. They may talk big, like the
Soviets in the 50's and 60's. But they knew
their nuke arsenal was a farce, it was shoddy
and mostly smoke and mirrors. We knew that
too, but pretended they were a threat so
we could keep building up the military industrial
complex.
That thing of standing up to a bully and the bully
will back down is mostly a fantasy. Most real life
bullies I've known will put you in the hospital
if you stand up to them.
Quote: billryanIf I had died for your sins,
What does 'sin' even mean. I have yet
to hear an explanation that makes sense.
The dictionary says sin means going against
a gods divine law.
What god, you can't even prove a god exists.
Why would a fictitious gods silly laws mean
anything to anybody.
Quote: EvenBobHas anybody seriously attacked us since
the end of WWII 73 years ago?
9/11
China enters the Korean War in Oct 1950 crossing the Yalu River attacking US forces
The US retreats for the next 8 months
Quote: EvenBobHas anybody seriously attacked us since
the end of WWII 73 years ago? There's a
reason for that. They may talk big, like the
Soviets in the 50's and 60's. But they knew
their nuke arsenal was a farce, it was shoddy
and mostly smoke and mirrors. We knew that
too, but pretended they were a threat so
we could keep building up the military industrial
complex.
That the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor is a surprise, and as we now know an bad calculation the advisors were against. 100 years earlier the Mexicans attacked and lost half their lands. 50 years earlier Spain tangled with the USA and was ejected from the Western Hemisphere and lost Pacific lands as well. They would have done better to invade the USSR.
More than nukes it is about the Navy. The USA can shut off commerce to any nation on earth, or at the least crimp it to the point that nobody in their right mind would trade with the marked nation.
Quote: TigerWuI don't give a crap about Hillary. You brought her up.
P.S. What crimes was she convicted of again?
What crimes was Trump convicted of?
Quote: ams288What crimes?
I'm gonna have to hold you to the "aceofspades standard" on this:
She clearly violated 18 U.S. Code § 793(f)
She was not convicted - I never said she was convicted (with the help of Lynch and Comey she was never going to be brought to justice -- please don't tell me Bill and Lynch talked about their grandkids and golf game on the tarmac)
As for what I asked for about Trump - nobody has yet to post a Federal crime statute they believe he is guilty of...
Quote: TigerWuI'd like to note that I, personally, have never said Trump was guilty of any crime, but it got me googling and holy cow, check out these wikipedia entries on his legal problems.... haha...
Trump's legal affairs, 1973 to present
Lawsuits involving Trump during his Presidency
Anyone can sue anyone for anything. Cases eventually get dismissed that are frivolous.
As for lawsuits -- President Obama, while claiming his would be the most transparent Presidency to date, sure spent a lot of money fighting said transparency:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-administration-spent-36m-on-records-lawsuits-last-year/
Quote: aceofspadesAs for what I asked for about Trump - nobody has yet to post a Federal crime statute they believe he is guilty of...
Trump committed the unpardonable crime
of beating the woman the media had
anointed as the next president. No real
crime can ever be as bad as that.
Now they'll cut off their noses to spite
their faces to make like it never happened.
Even put an ambulance chasing porn
lawyer on TV 106 times (as of today) to
make themselves feel better..
Quote: aceofspadesAs for what I asked for about Trump - nobody has yet to post a Federal crime statute they believe he is guilty of...
No one here has access to testimony behind closed doors either. Did you hear about the charges against 13 Russians before it happened?
So, your point is interesting but irrelevant.
Quote: rxwineNo one here has access to testimony behind closed doors either. Did you hear about the charges against 13 Russians before it happened?
So, your point is interesting but irrelevant.
So, you claim he is guilty of a crime - you just haven't found which one yet?
That is what makes a special prosecutor so dangerous and why the Judges the other week basically gave Mueller's team a talking too - Special Prosecutors go out with a name of someone they want to convict - then find the crime afterwards
There is an excellent book Three Felonies A Day
Basically, any one of us, if the police/FBI/DOJ felt like it, could be prosecuted for violating some Federal law on any given day.
Quote: aceofspadesSo, you claim he is guilty of a crime - you just haven't found which one yet?
Pretty sure that has been the Republican SOP since Bill Clinton was elected. I didn't like it then, but why change now?
I wouldn't do that to any other group though. No one else deserves that.
I heard the charges were dropped.Quote: rxwineNo one here has access to testimony behind closed doors either. Did you hear about the charges against 13 Russians before it happened?
Quote: EvenBobHas anybody seriously attacked us since
the end of WWII 73 years ago? There's a
reason for that. They may talk big, like the
Soviets in the 50's and 60's. But they knew
their nuke arsenal was a farce, it was shoddy
and mostly smoke and mirrors. We knew that
too, but pretended they were a threat so
we could keep building up the military industrial
complex.
That thing of standing up to a bully and the bully
will back down is mostly a fantasy. Most real life
bullies I've known will put you in the hospital
if you stand up to them.
So says every scared man ever.
Quote: petroglyphI heard the charges were dropped.
Source?
They should have to list their donors and be subject to random drug tests. I as their employer, demand it.Quote: rxwineAfter short consideration, putting all politicians on notice, that we think you've probably committed a crime, we're just looking for it, might put more of them on better behavior.
I wouldn't do that to any other group though. No one else deserves that.
An anonymous official.Quote: billryanSource?
Quote: aceofspadesShe clearly violated 18 U.S. Code § 793(f)
She was not convicted - I never said she was convicted (with the help of Lynch and Comey she was never going to be brought to justice -- please don't tell me Bill and Lynch talked about their grandkids and golf game on the tarmac)
*yawn* This has been investigated and dismissed numerous times. The GOPers tried and failed to find "crimes" Hillary committed many times.
And Bill and Lynch talked about their grandkids and golf game on the tarmac.
Quote: darkozMy prediction for NK and Trump
Something momentous could happen and I expect it will earn Trump the Nobel. I expect denuclearizartion of North Korea and a peace treaty that will allow North Korea leadership to stay intact but will usher in a new era of economic prosperity for the North and a wave of freedom that will allow its citizens the ability to travel and enable them to hear the news. The North will be able to trade freely with the world again.
A Trump presidency is great news for russia and China and they will push and support NK into this deal. Giving Trump the Nobel may give him and the GOP the boost needed to win the midterms and propel Trump to win 2020.
At least that's how I see it. The Mueller investigation will wrap up without charges or impeachment. Certainly controversy will swirl but there are no indicators that any of them are fatal to Trump himself.
Quote: boymimboSomething momentous could happen and I expect it will earn Trump the Nobel. I expect denuclearizartion of North Korea and a peace treaty that will allow North Korea leadership to stay intact but will usher in a new era of economic prosperity for the North and a wave of freedom that will allow its citizens the ability to travel and enable them to hear the news. The North will be able to trade freely with the world again.
It will be interesting to see the rationale for two Koreas. When the GDR fell nobody figured just have FRG prop them up. I don't see them giving up NK, but will SK be willing to kick in what has to be $500MMM to fix NK up?
I still maintain that the citizens of the North are ruined and it will be a generation to get the society to function proper. They are going to be like the guy who dated a very bad women at age 20, messed up forever.
Quote: boymimboSomething momentous could happen and I expect it will earn Trump the Nobel. I expect denuclearizartion of North Korea and a peace treaty that will allow North Korea leadership to stay intact but will usher in a new era of economic prosperity for the North and a wave of freedom that will allow its citizens the ability to travel and enable them to hear the news. The North will be able to trade freely with the world again.
A Trump presidency is great news for russia and China and they will push and support NK into this deal. Giving Trump the Nobel may give him and the GOP the boost needed to win the midterms and propel Trump to win 2020.
At least that's how I see it. The Mueller investigation will wrap up without charges or impeachment. Certainly controversy will swirl but there are no indicators that any of them are fatal to Trump himself.
The problem is the nobel will not want to sully its name by handing out prizes to a person who calls mexicans rapists and pledges to build walls because he doesnt like immigrants. EVEN if he succeeds with a denuclear arms deal
At any rate if you watch any REAL NEWS you will see the Mueller investigation doesnt look too hopeful for no crimes being discovered
Cohen has already been accepting millions from companies who have responded truthfully they paid for access to the president
AT&T for help with their merger
Novartis for help with the health care bill and drug pricing
A Russian Oligarch?
Come on. If you preach the horrors of a pay to play system why does this obvious one not disturb you?
Quote: aceofspadesWhat crimes was Trump convicted of?
Why are you asking me?
I never said he was convicted of any crimes.
I never said he was even guilty of any crimes.
All I've ever said about Trump is that he is a terrible person. I've barely even criticized his policies.
You guys just can't resist the whataboutisms....
"What about Hillary?!?"
"What about Bill?!?"
"What about Obama?!?"
None of those people hold any political office. They're all private citizens. Their political careers are more than likely over. Bill was impeached, and hasn't really been politically relevant in almost 20 years. Hillary was investigated into the ground over and over again by Republicans and was never found guilty of anything.
It's over with them. Get over it.
Quote: darkozThe problem is the nobel will not want to sully its name by handing out prizes to a person who calls mexicans rapists and pledges to build walls because he doesnt like immigrants. EVEN if he succeeds with a denuclear arms deal
I agree with your conclusion but not how you reached it
Nobel will not give it to President Trump because he does not adhere to their globalist views - in their eyes, no country should ever be "X-country First"
I think, however, they will give it to Kim Jong Un and Moon Jae-in jointly (and maybe even throw Obama in there as well - since they've already given him one for no reason (they claimed it was 'aspirational' in giving it to him and now some of the panel are stating they regret that decision))
Quote: aceofspadesI think, however, they will give it to Kim Jong Un and Moon Jae-in jointly
I think they're going to throw China in there somehow. But yeah, definitely not Trump.
Quote:Why doesn’t the Fake News Media state that the Trump Administration’s Anti-Trust Division has been, and is, opposed to the AT&T purchase of Time Warner in a currently ongoing Trial. Such a disgrace in reporting!
Now Trump wants to media to report that he is anti-free trade and anti-business
Quote:The Fake News is working overtime. Just reported that, despite the tremendous success we are having with the economy & all things else, 91% of the Network News about me is negative (Fake). Why do we work so hard in working with the media when it is corrupt? Take away credentials?
Now even he's admitting that anything labelled "fake news" is real news that he just doesn't like to hear. And he even lies about that -- much more than 10% of any news coverage of anything political is going to be neutral.
Quote: TigerWuI think they're going to throw China in there somehow. But yeah, definitely not Trump.
It would be an insult to Trump. He
does something worthy of it, yet
they gave it to Obama just because
his dad was black?
I would spit in their faces and laugh if
I was Trump.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-north-korea-reveals-destroy-12523451
MSNBC reaction: Trump is such a naive
tool, he's going to fall for this..
For years, the mantra from the right was Kim is untrustworthy and shouldn't be rewarded for bad behaviour.
Can anyone tell me what changed?
Quote: billryan
Can anyone tell me what changed?
Sure. NK is finally asking to come to the table. Previous the USA and others were just rushing to get a deal. This time, they asked first. Motivation matters.
Quote: billryan
Can anyone tell me what changed?
Kim is very young as far as world leaders go. As crazy as he his, he might be just smart enough to see the writing on the wall with the way geopolitics is moving and recognize that if he wants to stay in power for as long as possible, he and his country need to take it down a notch with the ruthless dictator game. He had his fun for a few years, but it could be he's thinking, "If I keep this up, I'm going to end up in a body bag before I'm 50. Time to put on my big boy pants and step out onto the world stage."
Or maybe he's full of crap and pulling some kind of long con.
