Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: MaxPenWhat do you think the 5000 people working for the Secret Service do? Ex-President's and their families are under constant threat.
Secret service has a lot of other duties as well. Presidential detail is just one department. Most personnel are more involved in counterfeiting investigations and threats against protectees than are on physical protection details.
"The Secret Service has primary jurisdiction to investigate threats against Secret Service protectees as well as financial crimes, which include counterfeiting of U.S. currency or other U.S. Government obligations; forgery or theft of U.S. Treasury checks, bonds or other securities; credit card fraud; telecommunications fraud; computer fraud, identify fraud and certain other crimes affecting federally insured financial institutions."
Quote: MaxPenWhat do you think the 5000 people working for the Secret Service do? Ex-President's and their families are under constant threat.
Dunno. My only involvement with SS was financial, and politics is new for me.
OD can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the Empire's former PM's have compulsory goon squads. I think RCMP/ Queen's Guard / Emu Brigade dispatches for things like public speaking events, but I don't think it's 24/7 personal shadowing. Makes one wonder...
Quote: beachbumbabsSecret service has a lot of other duties as well. Presidential detail is just one department. Most personnel are more involved in counterfeiting investigations and threats against protectees than are on physical protection details.
"The Secret Service has primary jurisdiction to investigate threats against Secret Service protectees as well as financial crimes, which include counterfeiting of U.S. currency or other U.S. Government obligations; forgery or theft of U.S. Treasury checks, bonds or other securities; credit card fraud; telecommunications fraud; computer fraud, identify fraud and certain other crimes affecting federally insured financial institutions."
Yes, I'm just surprised someone would he surprised that a former president still gets protection for as long as they live. Overall it is a drop in the bucket of the organization's breadth of operations.
Quote: ams288Just want to take a second out of my Vegas trip and say that I’m glad that it looks like all the corruption and lies are starting to take their toll ]
Because he has hat-hair? That's what hair
sprayed hair looks like after wearing
a cap for 4 hours in the sun.
Quote: MaxPenYes, I'm just surprised someone would he surprised that a former president still gets protection for as long as they live. Overall it is a drop in the bucket of the organization's breadth of operations.
Wasnt the protection, rather the level. Things like motorcades, or squads in public make sense. Having them in your personal driveway 24/7 was beyond my scope of imagination.
I'm probably just being fussy and looking for a fight. I'll get over myself now.
Quote: FaceWasnt the protection, rather the level. Things like motorcades, or squads in public make sense. Having them in your personal driveway 24/7 was beyond my scope of imagination.
I'm probably just being fussy and looking for a fight. I'll get over myself now.
I believe Bill and Hillary rent out adjacent cottages on their property to the Secret Service. How's that for a locked in tenant? That ought to get you good and teed off. ;-)
Quote: MaxPenI believe Bill and Hillary rent out adjacent cottages on their property to the Secret Service. How's that for a locked in tenant? That ought to get you good and teed off. ;-)
They have find some income somewhere.
I believe that their speaking fees have gone to zilch and donations to their "foundation" have probably decreased by 90%.
Quote: RonCThey cut it to ten years for a bit, but they changed it back to lifetime a few years ago (2013).
More perks:
'The biggest personal benefit that former Presidents are entitled to is an annual pension equal to the pay for a Cabinet Secretary, which is $207,800 in 2017. Widows of former Presidents are eligible for a $20,000 yearly pension."
https://www.ntu.org/foundation/tax-page/pensions-and-perks-for-former-presidents-archive
$20,000 a year for a former spouse. Big spenders.
The so-called "ally" testified to Mueller's grand jury about his efforts to connect a Russian bank to members of Trump's transition team. Besides, Mueller's report describes efforts by Russian banker Dmitriev to operate as a conduit to the team. That sure does not sound like any so-called "ally."Quote: billryanTrump ally George Nader arrested at JFK after being indicted for child pornography. The thing is he has already been convicted twice on charges related to send with underage children. Just another case of surrounding yourself with the best people.
That sure does more than sound a lot like a participant in a set-up who could not wait to testify against his target.
Quote: billryanTrump ally George Nader arrested at JFK after being indicted for child pornography. The thing is he has already been convicted twice on charges related to send with underage children. Just another case of surrounding yourself with the best people.
LOL LOL LOL
The person to the right of Clinton is, drum roll please-------------George Nader
Bill Clinton Pictured With Multiple Pedophiles ; Tony Podesta and George Nader
After Partying with Bill Clinton, Mueller star witness against Trump outed as Convicted Pedophile Then Flees United States
Bill Clinton has frequented billionaire pedophile Jeff Epsteins orgy island as well.Quote: FleaswatterLOL LOL LOL
The person to the right of Clinton is, drum roll please-------------George Nader
Bill Clinton Pictured With Multiple Pedophiles ; Tony Podesta and George Nader
After Partying with Bill Clinton, Mueller star witness against Trump outed as Convicted Pedophile Then Flees United States
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-opens-probe-into-plea-bargain-awarded-by-trump-official-to-alleged-pedophile-predator-jeffrey-epstein
Now do the pedophile who currently occupies the Oval Office!
Quote: ams288You discriminate against the gays, the gays will tailor your tux like:
That might be all gut, but I think there's a fair chance he's wearing body armor and they didn't tailor the tux for it. Sleeves are too long, arms are loose, but around the middle both the jacket and the vest are pulled to maximum.
His usual suit coats are loose to the point of almost sloppy. But every picture they've shown of him over there his clothes have been extremely tight.
Reagan today, giving the best
speech of his presidency. Even
Jim Acosta and Morning Joe
praised it. Very moving and
well delivered. There wasn't
a man on Omaha Beach that
day that didn't think they
were going to die, and they
went anyway.
Quote: EvenBobHoly crap, Trump turned into
Reagan today, giving the best
speech of his presidency. Even
Jim Acosta and Morning Joe
praised it. Very moving and
well delivered. There wasn't
a man on Omaha Beach that
day that didn't think they
were going to die, and they
went anyway.
Trump turned into Reagan today?
Isn't Reagan a rotting corpse in a graveyard.
Yeah, think you did get that correct!
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/06/06/florida-woman-stabbed-herself-tired-living-trump-country/23743012/
EDIT: or he drove her normal as she realized what Trump was doing to this country she decided it was time to kill herself
Quote: EvenBobHoly crap, Trump turned into
Reagan today
His dementia finally got the best of him?
President Trump may be "a" problem, but he most certainly is not "the" problem. President Trump will be gone in either 18 months or 80 months or so; the Congress (Democrat and Republican) will likely have many of the same members. Presidents come and go rather quickly; people like Speaker Pelosi and too many others are around forever, mainly are only worried about staying around and unwilling to risk losing in order to lead the country.
Those two bodies have failed under both Democrat and Republican leadership. The leadership is horrible. No "both parties are not the same" but, holy crap, we get about the same results out of both of them. I get it at that Dems can get this bill through the House and Republicans can get that bill through the Senate, but it seems impossible to even force a President's hand by putting some kind of a decent bill addressing a problem in front of him to sign or veto.
Perhaps we should spend more time addressing the immigration issue and all the other issues facing us and less time figuring out how President Trump messed up the whole world today. Keep the investigations going, put him jail or impeach him if you can convict him, but we have other stuff that needs addressed at the same time.
Have a great day!
Quote: RonCI am so tired of people who have lost their grip on reality and turn every day into attack President Trump day.
President Trump may be "a" problem, but he most certainly is not "the" problem. President Trump will be gone in either 18 months or 80 months or so; the Congress (Democrat and Republican) will likely have many of the same members. Presidents come and go rather quickly; people like Speaker Pelosi and too many others are around forever, mainly are only worried about staying around and unwilling to risk losing in order to lead the country.
Those two bodies have failed under both Democrat and Republican leadership. The leadership is horrible. No "both parties are not the same" but, holy crap, we get about the same results out of both of them. I get it at that Dems can get this bill through the House and Republicans can get that bill through the Senate, but it seems impossible to even force a President's hand by putting some kind of a decent bill addressing a problem in front of him to sign or veto.
Perhaps we should spend more time addressing the immigration issue and all the other issues facing us and less time figuring out how President Trump messed up the whole world today. Keep the investigations going, put him jail or impeach him if you can convict him, but we have other stuff that needs addressed at the same time.
Have a great day!
But attacking trump is so much fun!
Okay [sad face]
Quote: darkozBut attacking trump is so much fun!
Okay [sad face]
True enough...I get that it provides great joy and happiness to some...
Quote: RonCTrue enough...I get that it provides great joy and happiness to some...
Damn right it does!
And it’s quite enjoyable to see certain righties who’ve sold their souls always go out of their way to defend such a moronic buffoon as Donald, no matter how dumb whatever he’s done is. They literally tried to defend his “windmills cause cancer” lie. lol
Quote: ams288And it’s quite enjoyable to see certain righties who’ve sold their souls always go out of their way to defend such a moronic buffoon as Donald, no matter how dumb whatever he’s done is. They literally tried to defend his “windmills cause cancer” lie. lol
The ironic thing is that Ron talked about what "the" problem is. "The" problem is the people who think Barack Obama is an African terrorist and Donald Trump is an American hero.
There's no sugar coating it. Their priorities, morals, and character are severely out of whack. #thanksObama
Quote: SteverinosThe ironic thing is that Ron talked about what "the" problem is. "The" problem is the people who think Barack Obama is an African terrorist and Donald Trump is an American hero.
There's no sugar coating it. Their priorities, morals, and character are severely out of whack. #thanksObama
I'm sorry, you are wrong. First of all, there aren't many people out there that think all of those things completely. There may be some. There also a lot that are just the opposite--that President Obama was fantastic and President Trump is the worst person every to walk on the face of the earth.
There are a whole lot of people who thought Hillary Clinton was Obama Lite and wanted no part of it. It wasn't the fact it was a female or that he was a person of mixed race; some people just can't accept that some people did not like him for the President he was and his positions.
I hear people who may have supported President Trump's election say that they would like to see different actions from him every single day.
Simply saying "racist" is overly simplistic and does no good.
I didn't say to not hate President Trump; I pointed to a bigger issue than him. He will be gone soon enough and Congress, no matter who controls it, will have done little or nothing to be a co-equal body of government. If you think you have a case for impeachment, pass the articles and get to it. If not, keep the investigations up but work on some stuff across the aisle that would help America.
Anyway, I find this thread, and the election one that I started, as worthless as all the other political threads here. Very few people here want a real discussion or do they believe that there a lot of screw ups on both sides (though they are not the same in what they want to do) holding up the business of running our country.
I'm out again...there is little sense in trying to talk to people that want to holler all the time.
By the way, I am not particularly happy with Republicans, either. It isn't like they are doing their job.
Have a great day!
Quote: SteverinosThe ironic thing is that Ron talked about what "the" problem is. "The" problem is the people who think Barack Obama is an African terrorist and Donald Trump is an American hero.
There's no sugar coating it. Their priorities, morals, and character are severely out of whack. #thanksObama
(Original misquote follows)
Quote: SteverinosBarack Obama is an African terrorist and Donald Trump is an American hero.
Wow, one of the few times you made any sense.
Quote: RonCFirst of all, there aren't many people out there that think all of those things completely.
Aren’t many? Only millions. The last polling I saw, I think in 2017, showed that 51% of Republicans still thought Obama was not an American and was born in Kenya. This is years after the birth certificate. This is decades after the newspaper announcement. This is after Donald Trump’s team in Hawaii found “amazing things” that he never disclosed. What a crock of s**t, right? Nope, millions still believe it, the same millions that believe in the deep state coup.
Quote: RonCI hear people who may have supported President Trump's election say that they would like to see different actions from him every single day.
Therein lies the problem.
“I moved on her like a bitch,” Trump, when referring to a married woman right before saying that when you’re a celebrity, you can do anything to women, like grab them in the p**sy. Anybody that can co-sign and endorse that level of misogyny and bigotry that Donald Trump has displayed his ENTIRE life BELONGS in the basket of deplorables.
Quote: FleaswatterWow, one of the few times you made any sense.
WARNING. Do not take someone out of context in a way that changes what they said. This is a suspendable offense. You've gone further and reinforced the problem with an implied personal insult attached to the quote.
Quote has been amended to contain the entire post. It would help if you'd included some indication you were making a joke, which is how I'm taking it.
Quote: beachbumbabsWARNING. Do not take someone out of context in a way that changes what they said. This is a suspendable offense. You've gone further and reinforced the problem with an implied personal insult attached to the quote.
Quote has been amended to contain the entire post. It would help if you'd included some indication you were making a joke, which is how I'm taking it.
Posters on your side of the aisle have done the same thing in the past WITHOUT ANY WARNING (or suspension) ever given.
I am saving the link to this (your) post so I can remind the moderators to hold other posters to the SAME STANDARD.
P.S. Rule 17:Misquoting: If you quote another member, do not remove, add, or change any wording within the portion quoted. If you wish to emphasize a particular part of the quote, any formatting by the one quoting should be disclosed immediately after the quote. (Added 6/8/2018)
I did not "remove, add, or change any wording within the portion quoted"' emphasis mine
Quote: FleaswatterI am saving the link to this (your) post so I can remind the moderators to hold other posters to the SAME STANDARD.
I’m sure Babs is shaking in her boots.
Quote: mcallister3200Yeah it’s obvious the same thing isn’t warned if it’s Trump being badgered in the misquoting, we’ve seen that. It’s just a minor side effect of TDS, not a big deal.
Links to the misquotes by us lefties that went unpunished by the mods?
I won’t hold my breath.
Quote: FleaswatterPosters on your side of the aisle have done the same thing in the past WITHOUT ANY WARNING (or suspension) ever given.
I am saving the link to this (your) post so I can remind the moderators to hold other posters to the SAME STANDARD.
P.S. Rule 17:Misquoting: If you quote another member, do not remove, add, or change any wording within the portion quoted. If you wish to emphasize a particular part of the quote, any formatting by the one quoting should be disclosed immediately after the quote. (Added 6/8/2018)
I did not "remove, add, or change any wording within the portion quoted"' emphasis mine
Well, geez, guy. I stopped with the warning in part because I don't take you as being rabidly on the "other side of the aisle". Guess that was a wasted effort.
Since I'm already getting beaten for the crime of enforcing forum rules, I might as well enforce them.
3 Days for violation of rule 17 and personal insult.
Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: FleaswatterPosters on your side of the aisle have done the same thing in the past WITHOUT ANY WARNING (or suspension) ever given.
I am saving the link to this (your) post so I can remind the moderators to hold other posters to the SAME STANDARD.
P.S. Rule 17:Misquoting: If you quote another member, do not remove, add, or change any wording within the portion quoted. If you wish to emphasize a particular part of the quote, any formatting by the one quoting should be disclosed immediately after the quote. (Added 6/8/2018)
I did not "remove, add, or change any wording within the portion quoted"' emphasis mine
Well, geez, guy. I stopped with the warning in part because I don't take you as being rabidly on the "other side of the aisle". Guess that was a wasted effort.
Since I'm already getting beaten for the crime of enforcing forum rules, I might as well enforce them.
3 Days for violation of rule 17 and personal insult.
BOOOOO
Quote: ams288Links to the misquotes by us lefties that went unpunished by the mods?
I won’t hold my breath.
You recently lol’d at the link given to you of an example in the discussion about suspension list thread. Actually changing the words, not sure if that was done here or just context. Shouldn’t be punished though
Quote: darkozFixed that for you
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/30375-trumps-second-and-third-year-in-office/1094/#post720536
Quote: SteverinosThe last polling I saw, I think in 2017, showed that 51% of Republicans still thought Obama was not an American and was born in Kenya. This is years after the birth certificate. This is decades after the newspaper announcement.
The birth announcement published by his grandparents ten days after his birth is not proof, and people can question the authenticity of the Birth Certificate.
No doubt he was born in Hawaii. His father would never have been foolish enough to bring his new unsuspecting American wife to Kenya, while his pregnant Kenyan wife was there waiting for him.
This doesn’t help matters:
Quote: RShttps://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/30375-trumps-second-and-third-year-in-office/1094/#post720536
None of you guys are stupid. You must be purposefully trying to alter facts.
It was made quite clear the difference between the way I did it and the way fleaswatter did it.
Since its remotely possible you guys didnt see that explanation or really dont see the difference here I will explain it.
After I changed the persons quote to reflect a different meaning, I THEN SAID "HERE FIXED THAT FOR YOU".
What does that do?
It tells anyone who is reading MY QUOTING THAT THE OP HAD A DIFFERENT MEANING and if they are so inclined they can go back and take a look.
What Fleaswatter did was actually not change any wording. He simply CUT OUT THE FIRST PART OF THE SENTENCE AS A DIRECT INCOMPLETE QUOTE in order to change the meaning SO THAT ANYONE READING IT WOULD INCORRECTLY ASSUME THAT'S THE MEANING ORIGINALLY INTENDED.
The difference? Allowing any other posters viewing the successive post to know it was altered.
I let everyone know the meaning quoted was altered.
Fleaswatter did not
Reread the 2 lines above. Its as simple as that. Change meaning AND being deceptive that you are doing so is the infraction. You guys are smart. You do get it! You make yourselves look bad by politicizing it and acting like you cant tell the difference
Nonetheless Babs gave a passive warning anyway. Fleaswatter took it further.
I get that Fleaswatter was trying to do the whole movie review thing. Where the snooty film critic says "this was the most awesome film destined for the trash heap ever" and then all the newspaper ads from the studio quote him as such "...most awsome..."
Those are newspaper rules. Not this forums rules
And hell, Fleaswatter didnt even bother to put the mandatory three dots before and after the quote to WHICH IS NEWSPAPER ETIQUETTE TO ALERT THE READER SOMETHING IS BEING LEFT OUT
Once again, get it? Its changing the meaning without alerting the subsequent readers of the alterations made to the quote.
Quote: darkozNone of you guys are stupid. You must be purposefully trying to alter facts.
It's called gaslighting. Many of our resident righties are pros at it.
Conservatives support socialism due to Trump
Billions being given not to small farmers but gigantic farm corporations. Yup, huge companies getting billions of taxpayer dollars for free
Trump bringing socialism to the US and conservatives cheering socialist policies
Quote: terapinedhttps://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trumps-tariff-spats-trade-wars-make-us-look-like-socialist-state-economist-175849995.html
Conservatives support socialism due to Trump
Billions being given not to small farmers but gigantic farm corporations. Yup, huge companies getting billions of taxpayer dollars for free
Trump bringing socialism to the US and conservatives cheering socialist policies
And yet they'll all continue rambling on about how AOC is a threat to humanity or some other nonsense...
Quote: terapinedhttps://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trumps-tariff-spats-trade-wars-make-us-look-like-socialist-state-economist-175849995.html
Conservatives support socialism due to Trump
Billions being given not to small farmers but gigantic farm corporations. Yup, huge companies getting billions of taxpayer dollars for free
Trump bringing socialism to the US and conservatives cheering socialist policies
Come on. Why do you hate America's Farmers? At least three cents per dollar of this money is going to small farmers.
Quote: darkozNone of you guys are stupid. You must be purposefully trying to alter facts.
It was made quite clear the difference between the way I did it and the way fleaswatter did it.
Since its remotely possible you guys didnt see that explanation or really dont see the difference here I will explain it.
After I changed the persons quote to reflect a different meaning, I THEN SAID "HERE FIXED THAT FOR YOU".
What does that do?
It tells anyone who is reading MY QUOTING THAT THE OP HAD A DIFFERENT MEANING and if they are so inclined they can go back and take a look.
What Fleaswatter did was actually not change any wording. He simply CUT OUT THE FIRST PART OF THE SENTENCE AS A DIRECT INCOMPLETE QUOTE in order to change the meaning SO THAT ANYONE READING IT WOULD INCORRECTLY ASSUME THAT'S THE MEANING ORIGINALLY INTENDED.
The difference? Allowing any other posters viewing the successive post to know it was altered.
I let everyone know the meaning quoted was altered.
Fleaswatter did not
Reread the 2 lines above. Its as simple as that. Change meaning AND being deceptive that you are doing so is the infraction. You guys are smart. You do get it! You make yourselves look bad by politicizing it and acting like you cant tell the difference
Nonetheless Babs gave a passive warning anyway. Fleaswatter took it further.
I get that Fleaswatter was trying to do the whole movie review thing. Where the snooty film critic says "this was the most awesome film destined for the trash heap ever" and then all the newspaper ads from the studio quote him as such "...most awsome..."
Those are newspaper rules. Not this forums rules
And hell, Fleaswatter didnt even bother to put the mandatory three dots before and after the quote to WHICH IS NEWSPAPER ETIQUETTE TO ALERT THE READER SOMETHING IS BEING LEFT OUT
Once again, get it? Its changing the meaning without alerting the subsequent readers of the alterations made to the quote.
Don't you have a bus to catch or something?
Quote: billryanCome on. Why do you hate America's Farmers? At least three cents per dollar of this money is going to small farmers.
I hate any business sucking money from US taxpayers
Businesses need to succeed or fail without the govt giving away billions
Trump bringing Socialism to the USA
I have supported capitalism and free trade my whole life. Still a registered republican
Obama car bailout, Trump farm corporation getting billions, its socialism
Quote: darkozNone of you guys are stupid. You must be purposefully trying to alter facts.
It was made quite clear the difference between the way I did it and the way fleaswatter did it.
Since its remotely possible you guys didnt see that explanation or really dont see the difference here I will explain it.
After I changed the persons quote to reflect a different meaning, I THEN SAID "HERE FIXED THAT FOR YOU".
What does that do?
It tells anyone who is reading MY QUOTING THAT THE OP HAD A DIFFERENT MEANING and if they are so inclined they can go back and take a look.
What Fleaswatter did was actually not change any wording. He simply CUT OUT THE FIRST PART OF THE SENTENCE AS A DIRECT INCOMPLETE QUOTE in order to change the meaning SO THAT ANYONE READING IT WOULD INCORRECTLY ASSUME THAT'S THE MEANING ORIGINALLY INTENDED.
The difference? Allowing any other posters viewing the successive post to know it was altered.
I let everyone know the meaning quoted was altered.
Fleaswatter did not
Reread the 2 lines above. Its as simple as that. Change meaning AND being deceptive that you are doing so is the infraction. You guys are smart. You do get it! You make yourselves look bad by politicizing it and acting like you cant tell the difference
Nonetheless Babs gave a passive warning anyway. Fleaswatter took it further.
I get that Fleaswatter was trying to do the whole movie review thing. Where the snooty film critic says "this was the most awesome film destined for the trash heap ever" and then all the newspaper ads from the studio quote him as such "...most awsome..."
Those are newspaper rules. Not this forums rules
And hell, Fleaswatter didnt even bother to put the mandatory three dots before and after the quote to WHICH IS NEWSPAPER ETIQUETTE TO ALERT THE READER SOMETHING IS BEING LEFT OUT
Once again, get it? Its changing the meaning without alerting the subsequent readers of the alterations made to the quote.
You should ride the bus a few pages back in this thread and re-read fleaswatter’s post, particularly the part directly before him misquoting Steverinos. Please stop trolling, if you’re able to.
Quote: MaxPenDon't you have a bus to catch or something?
Don't you mean a subway car to
live on?
Quote: RSYou should ride the bus a few pages back in this thread and re-read fleaswatter’s post, particularly the part directly before him misquoting Steverinos. Please stop trolling, if you’re able to.
I wlll take that as a personal insult
The truth hurts
Thats why a post about the reality of Fleaswatter suspension is met with a discussion about bus and trains i take as a retort.
In other words they had no legitimate answer.
It is a wonderful feeling when you know (and you know they know) you have just won an argument
The AP life is beautiful
