Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: SOOPOOams, billy, steve, rx....
Can one of you give me a list of all the people with ties to Trump who have plead guilty or been convicted of something related to our President or his campaign?
It will be a long list I'm sure......
Once you guys kindly give it to me.... I plan on starting a 'who's next' poll.....
But I'd still bet DJT serves out his term, and never goes to jail after its conclusion.
I met with one of my college buddies, as fiscally conservative a guy as there is, Republican his entire life. At age 60 he just is so fed up with the buffoonery of DJT and his administration that he just registered Dem. Assuming DJT loses in 2020, I wonder if the Republican party will be able to re find its course?
You mean other than his campaign manager, National Intelligence Chief and his personal lawyer? Then we have Papadokos(sp?) who is either still in jail or just out of it. Muellar is still conducting his grand jury so who knows what indictments come out of that, and the Southern District seems like its just getting started.
Quote: SOOPOOams, billy, steve, rx....
Can one of you give me a list of all the people with ties to Trump who have plead guilty or been convicted of something related to our President or his campaign?
It will be a long list I'm sure......
Once you guys kindly give it to me.... I plan on starting a 'who's next' poll.....
But I'd still bet DJT serves out his term, and never goes to jail after its conclusion.
I met with one of my college buddies, as fiscally conservative a guy as there is, Republican his entire life. At age 60 he just is so fed up with the buffoonery of DJT and his administration that he just registered Dem. Assuming DJT loses in 2020, I wonder if the Republican party will be able to re find its course?
Trump's former attorney Michael Cohen is in jail.
Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort is in jail.
Trump's former foreign policy adviser Micheal Flynn just got out of jail, but I believe is awaiting sentencing.
Trump’s former foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos just got out of jail, but I also believe he is awaiting sentencing.
Trump's former campaign manager Rick Gates just got out of jail for now. Also awaiting sentencing.
All were convicted of various felonies including conspiracy against the United States.
Quote: SOOPOOams, billy, steve, rx....
Can one of you give me a list of all the people with ties to Trump who have plead guilty or been convicted of something related to our President or his campaign?
It will be a long list I'm sure......
Once you guys kindly give it to me.... I plan on starting a 'who's next' poll.....
But I'd still bet DJT serves out his term, and never goes to jail after its conclusion.
I met with one of my college buddies, as fiscally conservative a guy as there is, Republican his entire life. At age 60 he just is so fed up with the buffoonery of DJT and his administration that he just registered Dem. Assuming DJT loses in 2020, I wonder if the Republican party will be able to re find its course?
The list is long
If Obama had that kind of list, Foxnews would be screaming impeachment 24/7
I would actually bet on Trump serving out his term and never going to jail. I think its a good bet.
2nd term, I doubt it.
I really hope the republican party can come back.
I used to be a republican. They need to leave the religious BS behind and fight for a balanced budget and to respect freedom such as MJ use and Women's choice. Republicans fight for a balanced budget and freedom, they get my vote back.
In NY State, Sen. D'Amato and his stooge Pataki forced out many long time Rockefeller Republicans from party positions and instilled their own much further to the right people. I don't know why, but they keep nominating ultra right wingers to run for statewide office and getting their asses kicked.
I don't know what will happen, and I am not going to get into all of that...it is a waste of time; we have to sit back and see what Mueller does or does not come up with at the end of his investigation. Defending or convicting DJT based on what we know know is mostly speculation with a fact or two tossed in and at the end of the day, I am not sure either MSNBC or Fox will have gotten it right.
You can bash away based on that comment, but I won't be responding...I'll keep reading and staying away from the more political aspects of the whole thing. It is a waste of my time to write much here because everyone is set in their opinion and that won't change based on some diatribe posted by one of us here.
Anyway, whatever party is left for dead has come back every time so far. If the Republican party is in trouble, the only question is how long it will take it to come back...and I would bet that the time will be shorter than pundits project. We'll get through this as we have gotten through many things.
Neither party stands by the principles they profess, so it isn't like they are locked into their current paths. The Republicans have talked about reducing spending for years. Then they help spend more. The Democrats have supported the wall, at least a portion of it form 700-1000 miles or so, and control of the border. Now they are against it.
All either party really cares about at the national level is power and getting more of it. The more power they consolidate in DC, the less responsive they are to the citizens.
It's clear. You either choose to continue to put party over country and support a man like Trump for President, a lying, and quite possibly a criminal, POS, or you put your country before party and cross the lines to correct the biggest con that's ever been pulled on the American electorate.
Quote: SteverinosThe "both parties are the same" argument holds no water in 2018. Both parties are NOT the same.
A 3rd party would be nice
A lot of the issues of the 2 party system would be resolved if there was more legitimate competition within parties. Currently they pretty much decide behind closed doors who is going to get all the resources/endorsements/support they need to win in the general election. See: the 2016 sandbagging of Bernie Sanders by the Democratic Party.
Quote: gamerfreakA 3rd party would be nice
Perhaps. I worked on the Anderson campaign in 1980. After losing out to Reagan, we were set to go the third party route, and had actually gotten the needed signatures to qualify, but then the Liberal Party offered its nomination . Would a third party run by a Neanderthal like trump be a good thing? Or one like George Wallace's 1968 campaign?
Political parties simply have too much to offer for promising upcomers to leave.
Quote: SteverinosThe "both parties are the same" argument holds no water in 2018. Both parties are NOT the same.
It's clear. You either choose to continue to put party over country and support a man like Trump for President, a lying, and quite possibly a criminal, POS, or you put your country before party and cross the lines to correct the biggest con that's ever been pulled on the American electorate.
Once again, you are taking this in a direction that was not at all what I was addressing. That is why I generally stopped responding. The point I made was that the party will survive whatever comes of DJT, take their lumps, and be back sooner than those who write it off as dead believe.
Where both parties ARE the same is that they both want to keep power more than they want to fix anything. Too much power is at the Federal level, which is also the least resistant to actual change. More power at lower levels would make both parties HAVE to work to fix things.
I didn't say they support the same things or people...
Quote: GWAEYour buddy supported him prior? Djt is acting exactly like everyone thought he would act so why is anyone surprised?
I don't think he ever supported Trump. But he was a Republican and supported the general Republican tenets of fiscal conservatism, small government, etc... I know the Libs will say Repubs are no such thing anymore, but at least the non Trump Republicans would support those ideals. The Dems in NYS are trying to enact single payor at a small cost of only 140 billion in new taxes. The Repubs blocked this every year when they had power in the NYS Senate. Amazingly, the bill will likely die due to a veto by Cuomo....
Quote: gamerfreakTrump's former attorney Michael Cohen is in jail.
False, he was sentenced, he is not in jail
Quote:Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort is in jail.
true
False, Never in jail. Yes, he is awaiting sentencingQuote:Trump's former foreign policy adviser Micheal Flynn just got out of jail, but I believe is awaiting sentencing.
False, he is not awaiting sentencingQuote:Trump’s former foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos just got out of jail, but I also believe he is awaiting sentencing.
Quote:Trump's former campaign manager Rick Gates just got out of jail for now. Also awaiting sentencing.
False, has not been in jail. He is awaiting sentencing.
Quote:All were convicted of various felonies including conspiracy against the United States.
Quote: SOOPOOI don't think he ever supported Trump. But he was a Republican and supported the general Republican tenets of fiscal conservatism, small government, etc... I know the Libs will say Repubs are no such thing anymore, but at least the non Trump Republicans would support those ideals.
Any conservative would say the Republicans don’t support those ideals at the national level
Quote: SOOPOOThe Dems in NYS are trying to enact single payor at a small cost of only 140 billion in new taxes. The Repubs blocked this every year when they had power in the NYS Senate. Amazingly, the bill will likely die due to a veto by Cuomo....
So only about 15% of the amount of tax money that Nevada Republicans decided to give to the NFL
Quote: TomGAny conservative would say the Republicans don’t support those ideals at the national level
So only about 15% of the amount of tax money that Nevada Republicans decided to give to the NFL
Are you saying Nevada is giving A TRILLION dollars to the NFL? I think you need help with some math.....
Quote: FleaswatterSo much inaccurate information
False, he was sentenced, he is not in jail
False, Never in jail. Yes, he is awaiting sentencing
False, has not been in jail. He is awaiting sentencing.
When you get arrested, where do they take you before you bail out?
Quote: RonCOnce again, you are taking this in a direction that was not at all what I was addressing. That is why I generally stopped responding. The point I made was that the party will survive whatever comes of DJT, take their lumps, and be back sooner than those who write it off as dead believe.
Where both parties ARE the same is that they both want to keep power more than they want to fix anything. Too much power is at the Federal level, which is also the least resistant to actual change. More power at lower levels would make both parties HAVE to work to fix things.
I didn't say they support the same things or people...
I know what you meant because it's the same tone that your posts have had for quite some time. You maneuver around the middle of the road but always come back to supporting Trump. And while I think there is room for the spirit of compromise, in 2018, I don't see it as sincere.
I get tired of pundits and others excusing the extreme turn the GOP has had over the last decade and equating it to "both parties do it". No, both parties do not do it. Both parties did not elect a man that defrauded the American public on a daily basis. The time for compromise is over....for now. For now, it's time to dig in and put ice on the black eye that is the Trump administration and correct this mistake. It's a disgrace what's happening. I applaud those in the GOP that have had the courage to stand up to this corrupt man.
I just couldn't disagree more about both parties equally not wanting to fix anything.
Big money in politics?
Who supports citizens united? Republicans or Democrats?
Massive debt and deficits?
Which president supported a 4-1 ratio of spending cuts to new taxes in the Grand Bargain negotiations? What party did he belong to? And which party killed those efforts? When's the last time we had a budget surplus? When's the last time we were CUTTING our deficits instead of increasing them?
Health care?
Both parties have been talking about fixing "our broken healthcare system" for decades. Which party has actually taken steps to fix it? I might add, the steps taken to fix it were laid in a bi-partisan foundation (the ACA and the individual mandate had republican roots, Bob Dole in 96, Romney in Mass, Heritage Foundation supported), but now one of those parties said it would destroy America? And when they finally regained the power TO fix it, they had NO PLAN! Sound like they are trying to fix anything? Hell no!
Immigration?
Which party killed the bi-partisan Gang of Eight immigration reform bill? House Republicans.
In my observation, the Republicans sole interest over the last decade has been to REGAIN power that they fumbled away after the 2008 recession. In the process, they have put their party over country and it has resulted in the election of a criminal con artist POS President that our kids can't look up to, unless of course you want to teach them how to pay porn stars off and lie to your face.
Quote: SOOPOOAre you saying Nevada is giving A TRILLION dollars to the NFL? I think you need help with some math.....
Sorry, misread the figure as million (or couldn’t believe it). NV is giving $1 billion.
Only other state I lived in for more than a few months, Republican Mitt Romney gave the state universal health care. I wonder why other states never followed their lead.
Quote: gamerfreakWhen you get arrested, where do they take you before you bail out?
They strap a wire on you and send you into Trump Tower.
Quote: gamerfreakWhen you get arrested, where do they take you before you bail out?
Please provide a link to any source which:
(1) indicates that Cohen is in jail
(2) states that Flynn was arrested and dates when he and was in jail. Provides information which shows Flynn was given bail
(3) states that Gates was arrested and dates when he was in jail. Provides information which shows Gates was given bail
Quote: gamerfreakI would even take having more factions within the Dem/Republican parties kind of like what the Tea Party’s did.
A lot of the issues of the 2 party system would be resolved if there was more legitimate competition within parties. Currently they pretty much decide behind closed doors who is going to get all the resources/endorsements/support they need to win in the general election. See: the 2016 sandbagging of Bernie Sanders by the Democratic Party.
I disagree about Bernie Sanders. I was a Republican still, but I found Bernie disingenuous as a Democrat. He's been an Independent for decades, didn't pay any Party "dues", did a lot of bashing of them before, during and after his run, and ultimately cost them the election by splitting the party and alienating people after he lost the nom. Then he immediately re-registered as an Independent. He was as big a carpet bagger as Trump was to the Republicans and nearly as destructive.
The Democrats didn't owe him squat. And they'd say so except he still has a sizeable bloc of support. But why should he claim he's a Democrat and then expect them to throw millions and resources his way? I mean, really.
Quote: SteverinosI know what you meant because it's the same tone that your posts have had for quite some time. You maneuver around the middle of the road but always come back to supporting Trump. And while I think there is room for the spirit of compromise, in 2018, I don't see it as sincere.
I get tired of pundits and others excusing the extreme turn the GOP has had over the last decade and equating it to "both parties do it". No, both parties do not do it. Both parties did not elect a man that defrauded the American public on a daily basis. The time for compromise is over....for now. For now, it's time to dig in and put ice on the black eye that is the Trump administration and correct this mistake. It's a disgrace what's happening. I applaud those in the GOP that have had the courage to stand up to this corrupt man.
I just couldn't disagree more about both parties equally not wanting to fix anything.
Big money in politics?
Who supports citizens united? Republicans or Democrats?
Massive debt and deficits?
Which president supported a 4-1 ratio of spending cuts to new taxes in the Grand Bargain negotiations? What party did he belong to? And which party killed those efforts? When's the last time we had a budget surplus? When's the last time we were CUTTING our deficits instead of increasing them?
Health care?
Both parties have been talking about fixing "our broken healthcare system" for decades. Which party has actually taken steps to fix it? I might add, the steps taken to fix it were laid in a bi-partisan foundation (the ACA and the individual mandate had republican roots, Bob Dole in 96, Romney in Mass, Heritage Foundation supported), but now one of those parties said it would destroy America? And when they finally regained the power TO fix it, they had NO PLAN! Sound like they are trying to fix anything? Hell no!
Immigration?
Which party killed the bi-partisan Gang of Eight immigration reform bill? House Republicans.
In my observation, the Republicans sole interest over the last decade has been to REGAIN power that they fumbled away after the 2008 recession. In the process, they have put their party over country and it has resulted in the election of a criminal con artist POS President that our kids can't look up to, unless of course you want to teach them how to pay porn stars off and lie to your face.
Like normal, it doesn't matter that I am staying out of the conversation about DJT and where the party is today; I am talking about what will happen in the future. The Democrats were dead and then they weren't. The Republicans were dead, but then they weren't. The Republicans may well end up dead again after DJT. If so, the will come back again.
Anyway, glad I stopped by..but I am back out of the convo again...since it isn't a convo anyway.
Quote: RonCLike normal, it doesn't matter that I am staying out of the conversation about DJT and where the party is today; I am talking about what will happen in the future. The Democrats were dead and then they weren't. The Republicans were dead, but then they weren't. The Republicans may well end up dead again after DJT. If so, the will come back again.
Anyway, glad I stopped by..but I am back out of the convo again...since it isn't a convo anyway.
The Whigs were alive
Then they weren't
Quote: gamerfreakI would even take having more factions within the Dem/Republican parties kind of like what the Tea Party’s did.
A lot of the issues of the 2 party system would be resolved if there was more legitimate competition within parties. Currently they pretty much decide behind closed doors who is going to get all the resources/endorsements/support they need to win in the general election. See: the 2016 sandbagging of Bernie Sanders by the Democratic Party.
I wish we had ranked choice voting (instant runoff) or proportional representation, or ideally a combination of both. The first past the post, winner takes all system encourages the 2-party system to continue, and exacerbates the 2 parties getting more and more extreme with no middle ground.
Quote: beachbumbabsI disagree about Bernie Sanders. I was a Republican still, but I found Bernie disingenuous as a Democrat. He's been an Independent for decades, didn't pay any Party "dues", did a lot of bashing of them before, during and after his run, and ultimately cost them the election by splitting the party and alienating people after he lost the nom. Then he immediately re-registered as an Independent. He was as big a carpet bagger as Trump was to the Republicans and nearly as destructive.
The Democrats didn't owe him squat. And they'd say so except he still has a sizeable bloc of support. But why should he claim he's a Democrat and then expect them to throw millions and resources his way? I mean, really.
The idea that a candidate has to pay their “dues” to the part and “wait for their turn” is the exact problem I am talking about. It should be up to the voters.
The democrat establishment decided that Hillary was their candidate before the primary. The leaked DNC emails show a concerted effort to stonewall Bernie before any votes were cast. This is an organization that is supposed to be unbiased in terms of their own primary. Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned over it.
And it shows how terrible the Democrats can be at political strategy. Bernie energized an enormous demographic, many of them young first time voters. And instead of capitalizing on that, the DNC promptly spit in their face.
Quote: gamerfreakThe idea that a candidate has to pay their “dues” to the part and “wait for their turn” is the exact problem I am talking about. It should be up to the voters.
The democrat establishment decided that Hillary was their candidate before the primary. The leaked DNC emails show a concerted effort to stonewall Bernie before any votes were cast. This is an organization that is supposed to be unbiased in terms of their own primary. Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned over it.
And it shows how terrible the Democrats can be at political strategy. Bernie energized an enormous demographic, many of them young first time voters. And instead of capitalizing on that, the DNC promptly spit in their face.
You and I are probably going to have to agree to disagree on this. But my issue is larger than Bernie- I think anyone who actively does NOT support a party until such time as they decide to run for something the party can help them do does not deserve their support,.even if technically they have to accept the registration of convenience.
You want to change the party platform or demographic, do it from inside. If you lose the primary, you have to be the FIRST and FOREMOST supporter of the person who did win. Not the grump in the corner who whines and complains and, at best, says yeah yeah vote for her, she's better than him. Which leaves your voters on the sidelines when it comes to the general.
Quote: FleaswatterPlease provide a link to any source which:
(1) indicates that Cohen is in jail
Cohen officially surrendered to the FBI on August 21, 2018. That afternoon, Cohen pleaded guilty to eight criminal charges: five counts of tax evasion, one count of making false statements to a financial institution, one count of willfully causing an unlawful corporate contribution, and one count of making an excessive campaign contribution at the request of a candidate for the "principal purpose of influencing [the] election.". The judge said he can be released on $500,000 bail after surrendering his passport and any firearms he owns.
He was sentenced to 3 years in prison starting March 2019.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Cohen_(lawyer)#Federal_investigation
So maybe he hasn't literally been behind bars yet, but he certainly isn't a free man.
At sentencing he said:
Quote:Recently the president tweeted a statement calling me weak, and it was correct but for a much different reason than he was implying. It was because time and time again I felt it was my duty to cover up his dirty deeds.
Quote: Fleaswatter(2) states that Flynn was arrested and dates when he and was in jail. Provides information which shows Flynn was given bail
U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan is scheduled to sentence Flynn on Dec. 18 for his guilty plea to making false statements to the FBI.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/11/flynn-pleads-with-judge-for-no-jail-time-1059161
Also not a free man.
Quote: Fleaswatter(3) states that Gates was arrested and dates when he was in jail. Provides information which shows Gates was given bail
While awaiting trial, Manafort was released on $10 million bond and Gates was released on $5 million bond. Prosecutors described them as flight risks, and as a condition of pretrial release, both men surrendered their passports and were placed under house arrest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Gates_(political_consultant)#Indictment_and_arrest
So yes, Micheal Cohen is not in jail YET and possibly Micheal Flynn did not have to bail out. Sorry, it's hard to keep track when the POTUS surrounds himself with so many criminals. The point is that were all convicted of felonies, and none of them are currently free men.
I wish you would split hairs over the details of false statements the POTUS makes on a daily basis.
After the protests at the 1968 Dem convention, it starts to look a lot more like an election, but it's still not really. It's a selection process and the parties can write their own rules (e.g., superdelegates).
Quote: beachbumbabsYou and I are probably going to have to agree to disagree on this. But my issue is larger than Bernie- I think anyone who actively does NOT support a party until such time as they decide to run for something the party can help them do does not deserve their support,.even if technically they have to accept the registration of convenience.
You want to change the party platform or demographic, do it from inside. If you lose the primary, you have to be the FIRST and FOREMOST supporter of the person who did win. Not the grump in the corner who whines and complains and, at best, says yeah yeah vote for her, she's better than him. Which leaves your voters on the sidelines when it comes to the general.
So no grassroots political candidates? We shouldn’t even get the chance to vote on a candidate unless they have come up through the disgusting filth of the political establishment? This is exactly what is so f’d up with the 2 party system, and why I am registered as an Independent.
If the Democratic Party didn’t owe Bernie anything, he certainly did not owe anything back. He endorsed Hillary in the general election, which is more than I think he should have done given the circumstances.
Grump in the corner whining and complaining? Did you read the leaked emails? Very nasty stuff. A complete effort to sabotage Bernie by a self proclaimed neutral party. Raman noodle hair Debbie wouldn’t have resigned if it wasn’t a problem.
Many Bernie supporters did not vote for Hillary over all of this. Maybe she would have won if the DNC acted with just a little bit of integrity.
Quote: billryanTrump tweeted today that thanks to the new Mexico- America-Canada trade deal, Mexico is paying for the wall. So why does he want a gubermint shut down again?
Trump tweet just 45 min ago
"WITCH HUNT!"
that's it. 2 words, all caps with an exclamation
What a clown.
Mueller is obviously in Trumps head. lol
Quote: gamerfreak
I wish you would split hairs over the details of false statements the POTUS makes on a daily basis.
President Trump does not post here, you do.
Quote: FleaswatterPresident Trump does not post here, you do.
Jiminy Crikets.
Quote: FleaswatterPresident Trump does not post here, you do.
Plenty of righties post here on a daily basis, sometimes making very factually dubious statements.
I’ve never seen you break apart any of those posts line by line...
Quote: RonCThe Republicans may well end up dead again after DJT. If so, the will come back again.
Not a chance. Dems already outnumber Republicans by 12 million. That lead increases every year as more immigrants become citizens. In a few years they will permanently own the legislative and executive branches.
When that happens, they can give amnesty to the more than 22 million illegals, and make Puerto Rico a state. Adding millions more dem voters, plus two more dem senators.
It will be like it is here in New York, where whoever is installed by the party, is guaranteed to win the election. Sometimes unopposed.
Quote: TankoNot a chance. Dems already outnumber Republicans by 12 million. That lead increases every year as more immigrants become citizens. In a few years they will permanently own the legislative and executive branches.
When that happens, they can give amnesty to the more than 22 million illegals, and make Puerto Rico a state. Adding millions more dem voters, plus two more dem senators.
It will be like it is here in New York, where whoever is installed by the party, is guaranteed to win the election. Sometimes unopposed.
We can pray...
Quote: TankoNot a chance. Dems already outnumber Republicans by 12 million. That lead increases every year as more immigrants become citizens. In a few years they will permanently own the legislative and executive branches.
When that happens, they can give amnesty to the more than 22 million illegals, and make Puerto Rico a state. Adding millions more dem voters, plus two more dem senators.
It will be like it is here in New York, where whoever is installed by the party, is guaranteed to win the election. Sometimes unopposed.
#DEATHOFUSA
Quote: MaxPen#DEATHOFUSA
Another the world is ending or the USA is ending
its an old false story told time and time again
My grandmother told me all the stories
The Irish were intensely hated. Would never assimilate. A bunch of drunks. All lazy.
It was so bad, If you were Irish, you couldn't even apply for most jobs. The immigrant hatred was intense for the Irish.
The death of the USA due to the Irish hordes invading the USA. lol
The right has turned into total snowflakes. The immigrants are coming, get into your bunker.
This is the greatest country on the planet due to immigration
Quote: TankoNot a chance. Dems already outnumber Republicans by 12 million. That lead increases every year as more immigrants become citizens. In a few years they will permanently own the legislative and executive branches.
When that happens, they can give amnesty to the more than 22 million illegals, and make Puerto Rico a state. Adding millions more dem voters, plus two more dem senators.
It will be like it is here in New York, where whoever is installed by the party, is guaranteed to win the election. Sometimes unopposed.
In the late 1970s, I was very involved in Republican politics on Long Island. At the time, my county was overwhelmingly Republican and the Young Republicans and Teenage Republican clubs had hundreds of members. Republicans had held the Governors position seemingly forever, and had at least one Senate seat. They controlled the County legislature and one wing of the State Legislature.
Forty years later and they have nothing. The Teenage Republican Club went belly up in the 90s and membership in the party just faded away.
Republicans simply don't offer much to most people these days. They are increasingly religious in a country that is going the other way, intolerant in a country where people are recognizing intolerance as a cancer and more importantly- they operate out of fear, when todays generations reject yesterdays boogie men.
To use Tanko, as an example- He immediately sees the worst case scenario- 22 million new Democrats and two new Democratic Senators. A party with relevant policies should be able to capture a large chunk of those voters but its easier to give in to ones nightmares.
One party has embraced change and is thriving. The other dug in its heels and isn't.
As a student of history, I can tell you that when it comes to new direction vs an "old guard" the "old guard" rarely wins.
Quote: billryanTrump tweeted today that thanks to the new Mexico- America-Canada trade deal, Mexico is paying for the wall. So why does he want a gubermint shut down again?
Yeah, about that -
Who saves from this new nafta deal? It's some companies, and ultimately some consumers, right?
Are they going to be taxed to reimburse the government for the wall funding, to in fact allow Mexico to indirectly pay for the wall? Worded another way, is the government going to collect the savings to reimburse itself for paying for the wall?
If you say the new nafta deal is both "saving everyone a bunch of money" and "paying for the wall" then you are basically double-counting the money.
Blasphemy.
Quote: petroglyphI think it will be interesting when 100% taxation finally dawns on everybody.
lol
about as much chance as the boogie man
Trump Inauguration Spending Under Criminal Investigation by Federal Prosecutors
Rachel Maddow has been on the the weird inconsistencies with the Inauguration funds for over a year. Looks like Michael Cohen is helping to bring the truth out into the light...
Quote: petroglyphI think it will be interesting when 100% taxation finally dawns on everybody.
Top marginal tax rate in the 50s peaked at 92%. Pretty close. No cries of socialism. A lot of people got rich. Weird.
Quote: petroglyphI think it will be interesting when 100% taxation finally dawns on everybody.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Quote: billryan...Republicans simply don't offer much to most people these days...
That’s kind of the point though.
Quote: RSThat’s kind of the point though.
They offer plenty but it's a pretty exclusive group.
If the gov were to tax the peeps instead of print what they spend [up to 40% of every dollar] and roll that 21 trillion back to this side of the ledger, I think some folks might get excited.Quote: terapinedlol
about as much chance as the boogie man
I remember Bill Clinton saying that the total tax's right then [late 90's ish] was about 86%,
They just spent a hundred + million auditing the DOD and came back saying it was impossible. If it is impossible to even audit them because of such deceitful accounting, it's hard to calculate what our taxes actually are. Can't audit Fort Knox either.
It has many names, inflation, deflation, fees, taxes, whatever.Quote: SteverinosTop marginal tax rate in the 50s peaked at 92%. Pretty close. No cries of socialism. A lot of people got rich. Weird.
The US$ is worth less than 3% of what it was in 1913 when congress passed the fed reserve act on Christmas eve.
The gold that came out of the Klondike in 1892 was priced at less than $19 per ounce.
Inflation is a stealth tax levied mostly on the poor.
