Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: Mooseton☝️ So hes just missing some white privilege then lol
Um, yeah. I've voted in Florida about 12 times since I moved here in 1997. Never been questioned about my signature, legitimacy to vote, . Spent a year 2011-2012 primarily doing voter registration and working closely with OFA/NAACP, who were the only 2 groups doing voter registration due to very punitive new regulations, deliberately so, and the purging of about 500k voters by the state.
I registered almost 3000 new voters in that time, helped hundreds of others update their signatures, addresses, whatever. The stories about voter abuse, from personal experiences to news reporting here in Florida, are many. There were a couple of those stories that went national right then, including the people who were providing registration forms, and if the person registered Democrat, getting their registration forms thrown away.
I didn't just pull that sarcasm out of thin air. This is Florida. The power structure is White Republican. The backlash against Hispanics and Blacks here is baked in.
Suppression by a thousand cuts includes extra scrutiny for people of color at the polls. It adds up over time, over precincts, over districts, and TPTB know it. If people are offended, turned away, questioned, purged for a similar name, maybe they don't bother next time. That's what success looks like to those who would steal other people's right to vote.
Just days after a bomb was found in George Soros's mailbox.
But remember: Dems are an unruly mob who support lawlessness!
In the case of the recent flurry of incidents, I hope that the people are caught and prosecuted successfully.
Anyone with me?
Quote: RonCUnlike some, I denounce ANYONE using any form of unwarranted violence, verbal or physical, against anyone. This includes bombs (of course), letters with suspicious powders, destruction of public or private property, confronting people in public spaces outside of the political areas, invading personal space, etc.
In the case of the recent flurry of incidents, I hope that the people are caught and prosecuted successfully.
Anyone with me?
I was with you until you put sending people bombs and confronting people in public spaces on the same level.
That's just insane.
Quote: ams288I was with you until you put sending people bombs and confronting people in public spaces on the same level.
That's just insane.
Obviously, they are a much lower level. That is why they are late in the sentence. What if I put them in a different sentence?
Nothing "insane" about it--they are in order of severity.
Quote: RonCObviously, they are a much lower level. That is why they are late in the sentence. What if I put them in a different sentence?
Nothing "insane" about it--they are in order of severity.
Then I guess I am not with you on this.
Assassination attempts are always bad, no matter who they're against.
If a politician can't handle getting yelled at or shamed in public, they're in the wrong line of work.
Remember: CNN is the "enemy of the people," according to the President.
Quote: ams288Then I guess I am not with you on this.
Assassination attempts are always bad, no matter who they're against.
If a politician can't handle getting yelled at or shamed in public, they're in the wrong line of work.
I am not saying that there is "no" room for politicians being confronted, but there is a time and place for everything. For instance, as long as she did not violate any laws, the person accosting Senator Flake in the Senate office building or those protesting, peacefully, in the Capitol are not an issue to me. There should be a line drawn at dinner with the family or any other "non-public" type of event. Everyone deserves some privacy. There are PLENTY of ways to address politicians without getting in their private time with family and/or friends.
Of course it is well below the level of assassination attempts...
It does not appear that this is the time to start blaming one side or the other. On the surface, it appears to be a widespread incident. Of course, the facts that come out as we go on may prove something different.
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10:05 CDT update...
Another network has reported that there was not a suspicious package sent to the White House.
It is still not the time to ascribe blame to anyone. More than likely, it is a nut case just like any other attack. Unless you are a complete moron, you understand that there are triggered nutcases that support both parties.
George Soros is the tell.
Only a crazy right-winger would send him a bomb. He's the made up boogeyman of the right.
Quote: ams288Yeah, Reuters says no suspicious package was sent to the WH. EDIT: And the Secret Service just confirmed there was none sent to the WH on Twitter.
George Soros is the tell.
Only a crazy right-winger would send him a bomb. He's the made up boogeyman of the right.
...and whatever 'flavor" of nut it is, there is widespread condemnation of the act from both parties.
Nuts are nuts, sadly.
Quote: ams288Someone mailed a bomb to Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Just days after a bomb was found in George Soros's mailbox.
But remember: Dems are an unruly mob who support lawlessness!
No, see, when Dems send bombs, they're an unruly mob who support lawlessness.
When Republicans send bombs, it's really a false flag and it was Dems all along.
I think that's how it works, according to the far-right.
Quote: TigerWuNo, see, when Dems send bombs, they're an unruly mob who support lawlessness.
When Republicans send bombs, it's really a false flag and it was Dems all along.
I think that's how it works, according to the far-right.
Nut jobs are nut jobs. Being nuts does not discriminate by party. The farthest right and left have more in common with each other than they do with normal people from either side.
Quote: TigerWuNo, see, when Dems send bombs, they're an unruly mob who support lawlessness.
When Republicans send bombs, it's really a false flag and it was Dems all along.
I think that's how it works, according to the far-right.
I fully expect even the mainstream right wing media outlets (such as Fox News) will give some support to the "false flag" accusations from the far-right crazies. It seems like they'll have no other options with this story... the "both sides" angle seems to have already crashed and burned now that the WH bomb turned out to be bunk.
Quote: RonCUnlike some, I denounce ANYONE using any form of unwarranted violence, verbal or physical, against anyone. This includes bombs (of course), letters with suspicious powders, destruction of public or private property, confronting people in public spaces outside of the political areas, invading personal space, etc.
In the case of the recent flurry of incidents, I hope that the people are caught and prosecuted successfully.
Anyone with me?
Do you really need to ask
Quote: RonCNut jobs are nut jobs. Being nuts does not discriminate by party. The farthest right and left have more in common with each other than they do with normal people from either side.
Yep. What is that called? Horseshoe Theory or something like that?
Quote: ams288I fully expect even the mainstream right wing media outlets (such as Fox News) will give some support to the "false flag" accusations from the far-right crazies. It seems like they'll have no other options with this story... the "both sides" angle seems to have already crashed and burned now that the WH bomb turned out to be bunk.
There is no "both sides" angle that I have heard presented this morning. Naturally, it is more likely that this attempt was perpetrated by a far right nut job just as the attempt to kill Republican members of Congress was conducted by a far left nut job. That is the "both sides" part of the story--you have to be a total moron to believe that all the nuts reside on one side.
Quote: RonCThere is no "both sides" angle that I have heard presented this morning. Naturally, it is more likely that this attempt was perpetrated by a far right nut job just as the attempt to kill Republican members of Congress was conducted by a far left nut job. That is the "both sides" part of the story--you have to be a total moron to believe that all the nuts reside on one side.
And you'd have to be a total moron to think that Donald Trump is good for our country.
Quote: RonCUnlike some, I denounce ANYONE using any form of unwarranted violence, verbal or physical, against anyone. This includes bombs (of course), letters with suspicious powders, destruction of public or private property, confronting people in public spaces outside of the political areas, invading personal space, etc.
In the case of the recent flurry of incidents, I hope that the people are caught and prosecuted successfully.
Anyone with me?
lol, huh?
#I'mwithRon
Quote: SteverinosAnd you'd have to be a total moron to think that Donald Trump is good for this country.
So we're 45% moron, 3% undecided, and 51% non-moron?
https://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/politico-morning-consult-poll/
Quote: RonCSo we're 45% moron
That's a damn shame.
Quote: SteverinosThat's a damn shame.
The good thing is that it is also a 100% incorrect statement. Thanks for the laugh, though--the bomb coverage is very serious and it is great to chuckle just a bit while watching this unfold.
Quote: ams288I fully expect even the mainstream right wing media outlets (such as Fox News) will give some support to the "false flag" accusations from the far-right crazies.
And Rush Limbaugh, everyone's favorite pill popper, gets the ball rolling suggesting they're a false flag.
His proof Democrats must be behind the bombs? "Republicans just don't do this kind of thing."
(Tell that to the 41 abortion clinics that have been bombed by right-wing extremists since 1977.)
Quote: ams288And Rush Limbaugh, everyone's favorite pill popper, gets the ball rolling suggesting they're a false flag.
His proof Democrats must be behind the bombs? "Republicans just don't do this kind of thing."
(Tell that to the 41 abortion clinics that have been bombed by right-wing extremists since 1977.)
Do people still listen to him? I thought the only one here that did that was EvenBob...but I am not even sure he listened as much as he quoted the transcripts of the show.
Rush is so 1990's or so...
Quote: ams288And Rush Limbaugh, everyone's favorite pill popper, gets the ball rolling suggesting they're a false flag.
His proof Democrats must be behind the bombs? "Republicans just don't do this kind of thing."
(Tell that to the 41 abortion clinics that have been bombed by right-wing extremists since 1977.)
You mean people on AM hate radio are trying to divide Americans?
Nah, I don't believe it.
Quote: ams288And Rush Limbaugh, everyone's favorite pill popper, gets the ball rolling suggesting they're a false flag.
His proof Democrats must be behind the bombs? "Republicans just don't do this kind of thing."
(Tell that to the 41 abortion clinics that have been bombed by right-wing extremists since 1977.)
Rush Limbaugh has been off his chump for a while now, but with Alex Jones effectively gone, someone has got to fill the idiot conspiracy theorist void.
EDIT: Rush also said this about the bombs:
"I have been scouring my fertile memory, and I cant come up with any or even a significant number of instances in the past of Republican bomb threats, Republican threats of violence."
Quote: RonCThe good thing is that it is also a 100% incorrect statement.
It's a 100% factual statement.
Anybody who thinks it's okay for the leader of our country to stoke divisions and incite violence is a moron. There is no sugar coating it. There is no, "oh, we just like his poliices". At some point you have to put your country over party and we have LONG passed that point. No, this man is dangerous for America.
Quote: TigerWuRush Limbaugh has been off his chump for a while now, but with Alex Jones effectively gone, someone has got to fill the idiot conspiracy theorist void.
EDIT: Rush also said this about the bombs:
"I have been scouring my fertile memory, and I cant come up with any or even a significant number of instances in the past of Republican bomb threats, Republican threats of violence."
Hah, I dont listen to his podcast or anything, but I actually kind of liked Alex Jones before the whole sandy hook debacle. Thats not to say he isnt bat sh*t crazy.
If you ever get the chance, listen to Joe Rogans Interview with him. Very entertaining.
Surprisingly, I dont see him as a radical conservative. He is just an crazy anti-government conspiracy theorist. He hated George Bush and the republicans when he thought they were responsible for 9/11. And he was an Obama supporter for a long time until he believed he was lost to the deep state powers that are actually pulling the strings.
Quote: ams288Someone mailed a bomb to Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Just days after a bomb was found in George Soros's mailbox.
But remember: Dems are an unruly mob who support lawlessness!
Just part of the new angle on #METOO.
Dems are good at drumming up attention. All their supporters get their panties in a wad for the #FAKETHREATS
Quote: SteverinosIt's a 100% factual statement.
It is an opinion, and not a "fact"...there is a difference.
I'm not going to argue with you; it is waste of time. If you want to call a non-fact a fact, go ahead. The whole thing of calling groups of people "morons", "deplorables", "the 47%" always works out well for the people that do it.
Quote: RonCThe good thing is that it is also a 100% incorrect statement.
Quote: RonCIt is an opinion, and not a "fact"...there is a difference.
If you thought it was only my opinion, you should've just said that the first time.
Quote: SteverinosIf you thought it was only my opinion, you should've just said that the first time.
LOL
Quote: RonCLOL
My sentiments exactly.
#I'mwithRon...because...
I denounce violence.Quote: RonCUnlike some,
If it's some lone wolf Democrat/liberal pretending to be a Republican, he's going to get caught and his life is over. There is zero advantage to him. The fact that he is a Dem/lib will also be either forgotten or people won't even pay attention, depending on when it is found out. For people who vote against a party because one person in that party did something bad, the damage is already done to the Republicans. They won't care it was faked by a Democrat.
If it's not a lone wolf, and it's actually some conspiracy-level false flag by some Democrat/liberal group, there's no way that will not be discovered instantly unless the Republican-controlled government is also in on it, and why would a Republican-controlled government be a part of a conspiracy to hurt themselves?
Like I said, this being a false flag makes zero sense. My money is on some far-right, possibly white-supremacist-group-affiliated nutbag.
"I just want to tell you that in these times we have to unify, we have to come together and send one very clear, strong, unmistakable message that acts or threats of political violence of any kind have no place in the United States of America," he said.
Just days after offering up this red meat to his base:
This man is dangerous for America.
Quote: SteverinosDonald Trump just said the following:
"I just want to tell you that in these times we have to unify, we have to come together and send one very clear, strong, unmistakable message that acts or threats of political violence of any kind have no place in the United States of America," he said.
Those are just meaningless words written by a speechwriter and read off the teleprompter.
After two years of his presidency, we know that his true thoughts will come out later in a tweet or at one of his rallies in front of the mindless horde.
Quote: ams288
His proof Democrats must be behind the bombs? "Republicans just don't do this kind of thing."
(Tell that to the 41 abortion clinics that have been bombed by right-wing extremists since 1977.)
Most, if not all assassinations and attempted assassinations were conducted by left wing extremists.
The attack on the Republican Congressional baseball team, that gravely wounded Congressman Scalise, is the most recent incident.
As for the clinic bombings:
The bombers were anti-abortion extremists. Not necessarily left or right wing. Not necessarily Republican or Democrat. 24% of Dems are anti-abortion and 40% of Independents are as well. 59% of Republicans are anti-abortion.
This report contains 613 links to each of acts of violence committed against Trump Supporters by Left Wing activists as of Oct. 2018:
"613 Acts of Media Approved Violence Against Trump Supporters"
Quote: TankoMost, if not all assassinations and attempted assassinations were conducted by left wing extremists.
The attack on the Republican Congressional baseball team, that gravely wounded Congressman Scalise, is the most recent incident.
As for the clinic bombings:
The bombers were anti-abortion extremists. Not necessarily left or right wing. Not necessarily Republican or Democrat. 24% of Dems are anti-abortion and 40% of Independents are as well. 59% of Republicans are anti-abortion.
This report contains 613 links to each of acts of violence committed against Trump Supporters by Left Wing activists as of Oct. 2018:
"613 Acts of Media Approved Violence Against Trump Supporters"
You have a very convoluted idea of what violence is.
Quote: TankoMost, if not all assassinations and attempted assassinations were conducted by left wing extremists.
The attack on the Republican Congressional baseball team, that gravely wounded Congressman Scalise, is the most recent incident.
As for the clinic bombings:
The bombers were anti-abortion extremists. Not necessarily left or right wing. Not necessarily Republican or Democrat. 24% of Dems are anti-abortion and 40% of Independents are as well. 59% of Republicans are anti-abortion.
This report contains 613 links to each of acts of violence committed against Trump Supporters by Left Wing activists as of Oct. 2018:
"613 Acts of Media Approved Violence Against Trump Supporters"
Counterpoints:
Study shows that two-thirds of U.S. terrorism tied to right-wing extremists.
Why does the far-right hold a near monopoly on political violence?
"Who gives a rats ass about the #Clintons enough to do this? Obvious political stunt"
Who gives a rat's ass? Could be the conservatives and Republicans who absolutely have not stopped talking about her every freakin' day for the last two years....
Ann Coulter
Rush Limbaugh
Michael Savage
James Woods
Mike Flynn Jr.
Frank Gaffney
Kurt Schlichter
Candace Owens
David Horowitz
John Cardillo
Laura Loomer
Jacob Wohl
Chadwick Moore
John Lott
Could a rightie please provide a list of all the prominent liberals who claimed the GOP baseball practice shooting that injured Rep. Scalise was a false flag?
Ill wait.
Both sides are bad.
What would be gained by it being a false flag?
Like I said earlier, it wouldn't make any sense...
Quote: ams288These conservatives have all claimed the bombs are a false flag today:
Ann Coulter
Rush Limbaugh
Michael Savage
James Woods
Mike Flynn Jr.
Frank Gaffney
Kurt Schlichter
Candace Owens
David Horowitz
John Cardillo
Laura Loomer
Jacob Wohl
Chadwick Moore
John Lott
Could a rightie please provide a list of all the prominent liberals who claimed the GOP baseball practice shooting that injured Rep. Scalise was a false flag?
Ill wait.
Both sides are bad.
Whoever sent the bombs, have they been found? What about the person who shot at the GOP's baseball practice? I know the answers, but given your question, it appears you don't.
