Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: FleaswatterQuote: ams288How would you propose the people behind the GWU study “count” the deaths?
Seems like you’re calling for a government investigation into the actual death toll. On that we can agree!
Oh, and here’s how they came to that 3,000 figure:
How Puerto Rico's Hurricane Maria death toll of 3,000 was calculated
Seems pretty legit to me!
Hmmm, a quote from your linked article:
He said his team is trying to get funding for another study looking at the main causes of death during Maria, something that could help prevent more deaths in future storms, he said.
"We have to understand how these deaths happened so we can prevent them from happening again," Santos-Burgoa said.
So they didn't even know what caused the deaths or how they happened?
Sounds pretty legit to me.
Trump's tweets today were indefensible stupidity and callousness. Notice you're the only one trying here. Maybe if he'd ever figured out PR is part of the US he would have done more than throw towels, but I doubt it.
Natural disasters are opportunities for us to come together as Americans first. I don't think Trump got the memo. You don't play politics with dead citizens.
The website also says there are a predicted 13,633 predicted deaths (expected number of deaths for the given time period) and 16,608 observer deaths (actual deaths).
In other words, the predicted number of deaths is 13,633 with a standard deviation of 158. That puts the standard deviation figure at 1.158% of the expected figure.
I don’t buy it (in whole).
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/09/trumps-false-tweets-on-hurricane-marias-death-toll/
About halfway down the page.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fist-pump-911/
Quote: RSFor those of you easily persuaded by whatever news you watch, twitter or other social media.....
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fist-pump-911/Big surprise, I know!
Didn’t need snopes for this. I knew he wasn’t at a 9/11 memorial...
Quote: ams288How would you propose the people behind the GWU study “count” the deaths?
Seems like you’re calling for a government investigation into the actual death toll. On that we can agree!
Oh, and here’s how they came to that 3,000 figure:
How Puerto Rico's Hurricane Maria death toll of 3,000 was calculated
Seems pretty legit to me!
So what number of deaths is correct?
Official Toll in Puerto Rico: 64. Actual Deaths May Be 1,052.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/08/us/puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-death-toll.html
Nearly 1,000 More People Died in Puerto Rico After Hurricane María
http://periodismoinvestigativo.com/2017/12/nearly-1000-more-people-died-in-puerto-rico-after-hurricane-maria/
882 deaths from this estimate
http://academic.uprm.edu/wrolke/research/Maria%20Deaths%20-%20Significance.pdf
1085 deaths estimated here
https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/s7dmu
Harvard estimated 4,645
https://fxb.harvard.edu/2018/05/29/study-estimates-prolonged-increase-in-puerto-rican-death-rate-after-hurricane-maria/
Never have I ever seen so many post catastrophe studies about the number of deaths. Why were there so many studies? I don't know.
What I do know is that I have heard "talking heads" on TV, when discussing the various studies, insinuate that many of these deaths are due to the Trump administration's Puerto Rico response.
Should President Trump tweeted what he did? No I don't think he should have.
Quote: ams288Quote: RSFor those of you easily persuaded by whatever news you watch, twitter or other social media.....
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fist-pump-911/Big surprise, I know!
Didn’t need snopes for this. I knew he wasn’t at a 9/11 memorial...
I think that’s actually my favorite one. That and the one where he’s got two planes in his hand with a WTC “mask” on.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nike-stock-closes-time-high-aftermath-colin-kaepernick-ad-campaign-225007582.html
Quote: FleaswatterQuote: ams288How would you propose the people behind the GWU study “count” the deaths?
Seems like you’re calling for a government investigation into the actual death toll. On that we can agree!
Oh, and here’s how they came to that 3,000 figure:
How Puerto Rico's Hurricane Maria death toll of 3,000 was calculated
Seems pretty legit to me!
So what number of deaths is correct?
Official Toll in Puerto Rico: 64. Actual Deaths May Be 1,052.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/08/us/puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-death-toll.html
Nearly 1,000 More People Died in Puerto Rico After Hurricane María
http://periodismoinvestigativo.com/2017/12/nearly-1000-more-people-died-in-puerto-rico-after-hurricane-maria/
882 deaths from this estimate
http://academic.uprm.edu/wrolke/research/Maria%20Deaths%20-%20Significance.pdf
1085 deaths estimated here
https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/s7dmu
Harvard estimated 4,645
https://fxb.harvard.edu/2018/05/29/study-estimates-prolonged-increase-in-puerto-rican-death-rate-after-hurricane-maria/
Never have I ever seen so many post catastrophe studies about the number of deaths. Why were there so many studies? I don't know.
What I do know is that I have heard "talking heads" on TV, when discussing the various studies, insinuate that many of these deaths are due to the Trump administration's Puerto Rico response.
Should President Trump tweeted what he did? No I don't think he should have.
I think you have to take into account several things.
1. When Trump was down there, they had dozens, possibly hundreds, of corpses in morgue they had not accounted for. They did not have ID or other means of officially determining manner or causes of death for those people, but the reports of those bodies overwhelming morgues were widespread at that time. Bodies in many isolated areas (below) went unreported, unexamined, unaccounted for months.
2. They just got power back in many parts of the island within the last couple of months. That would have crippled reporting mechanisms, at a minimum. It also crippled health care and basic services.
3. Many interior parts of the island were physically cut off by massive tree fall and slides until recently. Again, affecting medical care, fresh food and water, other basic services.
I don't think it was possible to have an official count before now due to the above. Very different statistic than anecdotal on-site observations or estimates, and very likely US Government chose to only consider official count.
We have known for some time (Florida ATC controller emergency aid on behalf of all of us) that it was much, much worse than reported, because our guys have been there a dozen times bringing aid and supplies over the past year. (I haven't been, I've just been contributing). While I'm not in a position to verify the validity of the 2975 number, I know it's much closer to reflecting what really happened.
Shame on Trump. Seriously. Appallingly inadequate response to American citizens. Where were the helicopters to bring out trapped people from the interior? Where was the Army Corps of Engineers to reopen those roads and re-establish the power grid? Where was the National Guard? Why did the hospital ship leave, and why weren't injured people brought out to it when it was there?
And shame on Congress, not acting, both in oversight and funding of rescue efforts, and in calling for investigations of the effort made once it became apparent it was severely lacking.
The only way to improve the response is to examine truthfully what happened, the same way the US aviation industry went from killing thousands a year 1960s-1990s to the current record of almost no commercial deaths the last 17 years.
2975 is completely unacceptable. Even more in that most of those were probably preventable but for the shoddy response.
Quote: RSFor those of you easily persuaded by whatever news you watch, twitter or other social media.....
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fist-pump-911/
Huh... I never heard anyone claiming he was at a memorial when he did that. He's quite clearly on a runway with aircraft in the background. Then again, I'm not on Twitter or Facebook.
Quote: terapinedNike stock closes at all-time high in aftermath of Colin Kaepernick ad campaign
Something tells me that a global multi-billion dollar corporation kind of knows what they're doing when it comes to advertising.... Now where are all those people that thought for sure this would be the end of Nike...?
Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: FleaswatterQuote: ams288How would you propose the people behind the GWU study “count” the deaths?
Seems like you’re calling for a government investigation into the actual death toll. On that we can agree!
Oh, and here’s how they came to that 3,000 figure:
How Puerto Rico's Hurricane Maria death toll of 3,000 was calculated
Seems pretty legit to me!
So what number of deaths is correct?
Official Toll in Puerto Rico: 64. Actual Deaths May Be 1,052.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/08/us/puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-death-toll.html
Nearly 1,000 More People Died in Puerto Rico After Hurricane María
http://periodismoinvestigativo.com/2017/12/nearly-1000-more-people-died-in-puerto-rico-after-hurricane-maria/
882 deaths from this estimate
http://academic.uprm.edu/wrolke/research/Maria%20Deaths%20-%20Significance.pdf
1085 deaths estimated here
https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/s7dmu
Harvard estimated 4,645
https://fxb.harvard.edu/2018/05/29/study-estimates-prolonged-increase-in-puerto-rican-death-rate-after-hurricane-maria/
Never have I ever seen so many post catastrophe studies about the number of deaths. Why were there so many studies? I don't know.
What I do know is that I have heard "talking heads" on TV, when discussing the various studies, insinuate that many of these deaths are due to the Trump administration's Puerto Rico response.
Should President Trump tweeted what he did? No I don't think he should have.
I think you have to take into account several things.
1. When Trump was down there, they had dozens, possibly hundreds, of corpses in morgue they had not accounted for. They did not have ID or other means of officially determining manner or causes of death for those people, but the reports of those bodies overwhelming morgues were widespread at that time. Bodies in many isolated areas (below) went unreported, unexamined, unaccounted for months.
2. They just got power back in many parts of the island within the last couple of months. That would have crippled reporting mechanisms, at a minimum. It also crippled health care and basic services.
3. Many interior parts of the island were physically cut off by massive tree fall and slides until recently. Again, affecting medical care, fresh food and water, other basic services.
I don't think it was possible to have an official count before now due to the above. Very different statistic than anecdotal on-site observations or estimates, and very likely US Government chose to only consider official count.
We have known for some time (Florida ATC controller emergency aid on behalf of all of us) that it was much, much worse than reported, because our guys have been there a dozen times bringing aid and supplies over the past year. (I haven't been, I've just been contributing). While I'm not in a position to verify the validity of the 2975 number, I know it's much closer to reflecting what really happened.
Shame on Trump. Seriously. Appallingly inadequate response to American citizens. Where were the helicopters to bring out trapped people from the interior? Where was the Army Corps of Engineers to reopen those roads and re-establish the power grid? Where was the National Guard? Why did the hospital ship leave, and why weren't injured people brought out to it when it was there?
And shame on Congress, not acting, both in oversight and funding of rescue efforts, and in calling for investigations of the effort made once it became apparent it was severely lacking.
The only way to improve the response is to examine truthfully what happened, the same way the US aviation industry went from killing thousands a year 1960s-1990s to the current record of almost no commercial deaths the last 17 years.
2975 is completely unacceptable. Even more in that most of those were probably preventable but for the shoddy response.
I agree with some of what you have said and disagree with some. There was mismanagement at all levels, which may have contributed to the deaths for example:
Armed Federal Agents Seize 'Massive Store' Of Rebuilding Materials Kept From Puerto Rico's Hurricane Victims
https://www.dailywire.com/news/25935/armed-federal-agents-seize-massive-store-emily-zanotti
But let's us look back and see how we got here to this discussion. It all started with a post criticizing President Trump about his tweet about the number of deaths. Whether people like it or not, President Trump fights back. President Trump did not start the politicization of the studies. Here are some quotes from the following link:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/28/health/puerto-rico-gw-report-excess-deaths/index.html
"San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz blamed President Donald Trump, the federal government and Puerto Rican officials for failing to provide adequate assistance in the aftermath of the storm.
"It's 2,975 people, and they're still calling it an estimate -- 2,975 people that will never see the light of day, and many of them died because of what was done by the administration and that was silently approved by most of the political class in Puerto Rico," Cruz told CNN on Wednesday."
"The administration killed the Puerto Ricans with neglect," she added. "The Trump administration led us to believe they were helping when they weren't up to par, and they didn't allow other countries to help us. ... Shame on President Trump."
"The official toll matters in part because families of those who died in the aftermath of the storm are eligible to have some funeral expenses covered by the US government. Experts say higher death tolls drive more disaster aid."
Quote: TigerWu...snip
Something tells me that a global multi-billion dollar corporation kind of knows what they're doing when it comes to advertising.... Now where are all those people that thought for sure this would be the end of Nike...?
Common source of Fake News these days. Someone says something loudly and often, acts like they're speaking for a lot of people. That gets circulated as truth, but only a small but loud themselves group believes it, and other people have gotten tired of shouting down every lie or opinion-as-fact.
Nike crowd is much younger, more active, and progressive demographic than Trump crowd. Much more early adopters and trend setters, and Nike is top of athletic cool for at least 30 years now. Win-win for them and CK in longe-range perspective and conventional wisdom. Not to mention how CK has conducted himself. He's the one demostrating what Free Speech actually means, not to mention how Trump has miscast what he's doing as anti-patriotic and anti-troop. Couldn't be more wrong about it, but it serves his purposes of distraction and red-meat to the base, so he keeps arguing it.
"Nike employees and the company's political action committee have given GOP candidates $424,000 in the 2018 election cycle, and only $122,000 to Democrats who generally are seen as more aligned with what backers call Nike's "progressive" message."
Manafort cuts a deal and is cooperating
Does not surprise me. Life has got to suck for him right now sitting in jail.
He only has himself to blame
Trump will go nutso crazy over this
Waiting for the next Trump tweet throwing Manafort under the bus
Quote: terapinedWOW
Manafort cuts a deal and is cooperating
Does not surprise me. Life has got to suck for him right now sitting in jail.
He only has himself to blame
Trump will go nutso crazy over this
Waiting for the next Trump tweet throwing Manafort under the bus
Yup, can't wait to see the change in the adjectives Trump uses to describe Manafort now!
Quote: rsactuaryYup, can't wait to see the change in the adjectives Trump uses to describe Manafort now!
No tweets about it yet... I suspect one of his aides is hiding his phone and trying to talk him down.
But this was from yesterday:
"John Kerry had illegal meetings with the very hostile Iranian Regime, which can only serve to undercut our great work to the detriment of the American people. He told them to wait out the Trump Administration! Was he registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act? BAD!"
I guess it's only okay to meet with Russians behind closed doors.
Quote: Dalex64Doesn't pleading guilty mean that Manafort doesn't have to testify in court? That means he is charged with whatever, which most likely doesn't incriminate Trump, and there is no court case during which information might come out that might implicate Trump. Guilty plea, followed by Trump pardon.
No matter what, Trump loses.
If Manafort implicates Trump in a crime, there's no way he'd get a pardon.
If Manafort completely clears Trump's name, and Trump pardons him, Trump is going to be eviscerated for pardoning someone who has been found guilty of multiple felonies, including conspiracy against the United States.
Trump only cares about himself. There's no way he's pardoning Manafort.
Quote: Dalex64Doesn't pleading guilty mean that Manafort doesn't have to testify in court? That means he is charged with whatever, which most likely doesn't incriminate Trump, and there is no court case during which information might come out that might implicate Trump. Guilty plea, followed by Trump pardon.
Manafort has already started giving information to the DOJ. So if Trump wanted to pardon him to prevent them from getting it, it's already too late.
The plea deal prohibits Manafort's lawyers from being present during his cooperation sessions with Mueller's team. If Manafort lies or commits any crimes while cooperating, the deal is off.
But if you follow the money, the evidence is piling up that Trump has been laundering money for the Russian mafia for decades. I hate making predictions because it sucks when you're wrong, lol, but I think there is going to come a day where he regrets going down that escalator and announing his run for the presidency.
Quote: SteverinosI hate making predictions because it sucks when you're wrong, lol, but I think he is going to wish he had never went down that escalator and announced his run for the presidency.
He never wanted to be President. He wanted to lose to Hillary. No doubt in my mind. Just look at video and pictures of him immediately after his win and when meeting with Obama for the first time. He has a look on his face like "OH F***. What have I done...."
He wanted to drum up hype for himself, lose to Hillary, and start his own cable TV news channel. The groundwork had already begun to be laid for Trump TV or whatever it was called. If Russia was involved, I don't think it was Trump's idea. I think he was strong armed into it. But he's an idiot and probably in debt to Russia somehow, so he couldn't back out.
On a side note, Manafort's forfeited assets are expected to be worth $46 million. The Mueller investigation has only cost about $16 million so far, so with Manafort's guilty plea, Mueller has actually made $30 million for the U.S. government!
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/trump-legal-team-takes-back-paul-manafort-will-tell-the-truth.html
Quote: TigerWuHe never wanted to be President. He wanted to lose to Hillary. No doubt in my mind. Just look at video and pictures of him immediately after his win and when meeting with Obama for the first time. He has a look on his face like "OH F***. What have I done...."
Interesting thought; I have seen it a few times. If it is true, he is very bad at knowing where to to ensure a Hillary victory. Going to the Midwest was not a very good idea while Hillary was not spending as much time as she should have there...
Dude does not even know how to lose right...
Quote: RonC
Dude does not even know how to lose right...
That's why I think there were other people pulling his strings. Other people that actually WANTED him to win. THEY knew what they were doing. Trump was just along for the ride, feeding his ego, assuming there was no way in hell he could beat a seasoned veteran like Hillary.
Quote: terapinedNike stock closes at all-time high in aftermath of Colin Kaepernick ad campaign
People ask why Kaepernick -- or any patriotic American, for that matter -- would be so "disrespectful" as to kneel when the first verse of the national anthem is sung. I expect few white Americans ever recall seeing the hateful, racist text in the third stanza of the Star Spangled Banner, written by a slave-owner:
Quote:Their blood has washed out
their foul footsteps pollution.
No refuge could save
the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight
or the gloom of the grave.
Just one gambler to another, I bet'cha Kaepernick has seen it. Have other minority Americans seen these ugly words? Probably many more than those complaining about the silent protest of football players. Folks somehow suggesting this protest is un-American seem to overlook that America was founded on protest and (supposedly) embraces peaceful protest. Let's sing the third stanza at the start of football games and see those who remain uninformed protest.
How I wish we could replace our national anthem with America the Beautiful or This Land is Your Land, This Land is My Land. IMHO, our country deserves a more embracing anthem.
Still, that's no walk in the park for anyone, let alone for someone who's pushing 70. He'll be lucky to survive the whole term.
Trump's twitter is still silent, other than a bunch of retweets about the hurricane.
Quote: TigerWuAh, looks like Manafort's plea deal caps his prison time at 10 years.
Still, that's no walk in the park for anyone, let alone for someone who's pushing 70. He'll be lucky to survive the whole term.
Trump's twitter is still silent, other than a bunch of retweets about the hurricane.
But how long can the guy who wrote the op-ed keep the phone from him?
Quote: RonCBut how long can the guy who wrote the op-ed keep the phone from him?
He's waiting for his daily call from Hannity to know what to say.
Quote: TigerWuManafort will be in prison the rest of his life. He's lost everything, and probably doesn't give a **** anymore. At this point he's probably bargaining for a cell with a view or some extra lunch meat at mealtime. He's probably going to drag down as many of his "friends" as he can, to possibly include Trump himself.
You could be right, but the plea bargain is for a maximum of 10 years, and could be as little as time served.
I think he must have some hugely valuable info on Jr, Jared, and Trump himself. I'm guessing they're all part of oligarchs laundering mob money through Trump real estate and underwriting, and Manafort was a bagman or middleman.
Could easily be wrong. But there are a lot of reasons to think that's where this goes.
Quote: ams288Almost as bad as when we call Donald stupid and they pivot to Obama's decade-old "57 states" flub.
Quote: FleaswatterBut let's us look back and see how we got here to this discussion. It all started with a post criticizing President Trump about his tweet about the number of deaths. Whether people like it or not, President Trump fights back. President Trump did not start the politicization of the studies. Here are some quotes from the following link:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/28/health/puerto-rico-gw-report-excess-deaths/index.html
"San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz blamed President Donald Trump, the federal government and Puerto Rican officials for failing to provide adequate assistance in the aftermath of the storm.
"It's 2,975 people, and they're still calling it an estimate -- 2,975 people that will never see the light of day, and many of them died because of what was done by the administration and that was silently approved by most of the political class in Puerto Rico," Cruz told CNN on Wednesday."
"The administration killed the Puerto Ricans with neglect," she added. "The Trump administration led us to believe they were helping when they weren't up to par, and they didn't allow other countries to help us. ... Shame on President Trump."
"The official toll matters in part because families of those who died in the aftermath of the storm are eligible to have some funeral expenses covered by the US government. Experts say higher death tolls drive more disaster aid."
The lack of response under HIS administration and his appointment of an unqualified leader of FEMA along with PRs crappy infrastructure as well as the sheer magnitude of the storm was responsible for the death toll. Trump not only ignores political opposition but also distances himself from actual science.
Absolutely for Puerto Ricans this is a huge issue. It had to be politicized if only to better a response (which by all accounts was mismanaged and dismal, and Trump's response that "Puerto Rico is an inaccessible island" is stupid). It has to be politicized if only to be able to improve it's infrastructure to something that would withstand another hit.
Quote: ams288
That's because Obama was an otherwise literate and competent public speaker, and nobody really cared that he made an obvious grammatical slip-up other than idiots that have nothing better to criticize him about. Even Bush Jr.'s multiple stupid flubs barely made the non-tabloid news after a while.
Story of the year? Hell, if Trump had made that 57 states remark, it wouldn't even be the story of the DAY, let alone week, month, or year.
EDIT: Still not a peep on his twitter about Manafort. His Fox News handlers must be telling him to keep his mouth shut about it to keep their followers properly brainwashed.
Yesterdays television coverage
CNN: Manafort pleads guilty
MSNBC: Manafort pleads guilty
ABC: Manafort pleads guilty
NBC: Manafort pleads guilty
CBS : Manafort pleads guilty
BBC: Manafort pleads guilty
FOXNEWS: Obama responsible for spending too much on Nikki Haleys office
Quote: darkoz
FOXNEWS: Obama responsible for spending too much on Nikki Haleys office
On their website right now they have the Manafort story buried halfway down the page, and even then it's just Giuliani saying it has nothing to do with Trump or Russia....
Quote: darkozI know its expected and shown here often but I just cant help myself
Yesterdays television coverage
CNN: Manafort pleads guilty
MSNBC: Manafort pleads guilty
ABC: Manafort pleads guilty
NBC: Manafort pleads guilty
CBS : Manafort pleads guilty
BBC: Manafort pleads guilty
FOXNEWS: Obama responsible for spending too much on Nikki Haleys office
If there was any doubt remaining, foxnews is mostly just a right-wing propoganda outlet.
There is a new version of the media bias chart out: https://www.adfontesmedia.com
A couple of the other sources you listed (CNN, MSNBC) are skews left/hyperpartisan left, but none of them are as close to "nonsense damaging to public discourse" as foxnews.
ABC, NBC, CBS, and BBC fare well, though.
Quote: Dalex64If there was any doubt remaining, foxnews is mostly just a right-wing propoganda outlet.
There is a new version of the media bias chart out: https://www.adfontesmedia.com
PFFFFT... obviously that chart is liberally biased leftist garbage.
Seriously, though, it's interesting to see they rate CNN on par with Huffington Post in terms of quality.
And Michael Jordan never wanted to be a basketball player. He wanted to lose 6 championships. No doubt in my mind.Quote: TigerWuHe never wanted to be President. He wanted to lose to Hillary. No doubt in my mind. Just look at video and pictures of him immediately after his win and when meeting with Obama for the first time. He has a look on his face like "OH F***. What have I done...."
And Arnold Schwarzenegger never wanted to be a bodybuilder. He wanted to lose Mr. Olympia. No doubt in my mind.
And Warren Buffett never wanted to be a billionaire. He wanted to lose money on stocks. No doubt in my mind.
You guys will never be taken seriously so long as you make comments like this. LOL!!!
Quote: scoobydooAnd Michael Jordan never wanted to be a basketball player. He wanted to lose 6 championships. No doubt in my mind.
And Arnold Schwarzenegger never wanted to be a bodybuilder. He wanted to lose Mr. Olympia. No doubt in my mind.
And Warren Buffett never wanted to be a billionaire. He wanted to lose money on stocks. No doubt in my mind.
You guys will never be taken seriously so long as you make comments like this. LOL!!!
First of all, Michael Jordan lost multiple basketball games, Arnold lost his first Mr. O, and Warren Buffett has lost money on stocks before.
Second of all, I like how you completely ignored the whole premise of why I think Trump wanted to lose the Presidency; to build publicity for himself, start a cable TV channel, and become even wealthier than he was before. It's not like he wanted to lose for no reason whatsoever. Losing would have been a net gain for him: more money, more publicity, and more power WITHOUT the scrutiny of being President.
You guys will never be taken seriously so long as you continue to support one of the most unpopular and scandal-ridden Presidents of the last 100 years. LOL!!!
LOLQuote: TigerWuI think Trump wanted to lose the Presidency; to build publicity for himself, start a cable TV channel, and become even wealthier than he was before.
Like I said, no one will ever take you seriously when you spout stuff like this. Not even the wingnut libs on TV believe this. You sound like the Alex Jones of the left lol!!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Quote: scoobydooLOL
Like I said, no one will ever take you seriously when you spout stuff like this.
Take me seriously for what?
Quote:Not even the wingnut libs on TV believe this.
Where do you think I first heard about it? You think this is an idea that I came up with?
Trump TV
Trump TV network could be just three months away
TYT segment on Trump TV
Trump TV YouTube page started in 2015, yet is completely devoid of videos.
The idea of Trump starting a TV network has been around for several years now, at least.
Quote:You sound like the Alex Jones of the left lol!!
Ah, yes, because everyone who hates Trump is a "lefty."
Exactly. You guys just can't be taken seriously when you spout off and say that Trump "didn't want to be president". It's like saying that Michael Jordan didn't want to be a basketball player. Or that Arnold Schwarzenegger didn't want to be a bodybuilder. Or that Warren Buffett didn't want to be a billionaire lol...........................Quote: TigerWuTake me seriously for what?
That's funny. You posted 4 links, yet NONE of them said that Trump "didn't want to be president" lol.........................................Quote: TigerWuWhere do you think I first heard about it? You think this is an idea that I came up with?
Everyone who believes that Trump "didn't want to be president" isn't just a lefty. They're delusional lol.........................................Quote: TigerWuAh, yes, because everyone who hates Trump is a "lefty."
Anyway, you're acting like Trump not wanting to be President is some completely bonkers, UFO-abduction-level conspiracy theory. It's not. It's a pretty straightforward and logical conclusion based on commonly available facts. I personally don't think he wanted to be President. Maybe he did. He'll never admit it, because he lies every day of his life.
Oh, and P.S.....
Quote:Everyone who believes that Trump "didn't want to be president" isn't just a lefty.They're delusional lol.........................................
....personal insults will get you banned around here.
Quote: TigerWuKind of funny that someone would join a gambling forum and the first three posts they make have nothing to do with gambling and just repeat the same talking points over and over again
If I had to guess, I’d say he won’t be around for long...
Uh, yeah it is. This is getting into Alex Jones territory. Can you even name ONE sane person who actually believes the loony idea that Trump "didn't want to be president"? (and I'm talking about actual people, not anonymous posters on the internet)Quote: TigerWuAnyway, you're acting like Trump not wanting to be President is some completely bonkers, UFO-abduction-level conspiracy theory. It's not.
Hillary’s lifelong dream is to be president. Trump just wants to lose the election. We all know the result.
That’s some crazy s*** right there. Not only logically speaking....but just.....well if the “most qualified person ever” (who’s trying to win) loses to someone else who’s trying to lose, there’s something wrong there.
Quote: scoobydooUh, yeah it is.
Uh, no it isn't.
Quote:This is getting into Alex Jones territory.
LOL Not even remotely.
Quote:Can you even name ONE sane person who actually believes the loony idea that Trump "didn't want to be president"? (and I'm talking about actual people, not anonymous posters on the internet)
I can name three.
Michael Wolff
Stephen Colbert
Donald Trump
Oh, wait, you said SANE people, so scratch that last one.
Quote: RSSo over here we got Hillary Clinton, most qualified person ever to run for president.
LOL WUT
Quote:On the other side of the aisle we have Donald Trump, who according to all of you, is an idiot (plus every other insult in the book).
Well, he's banged some hot women, so I'll give him that....
Quote:Hillary’s lifelong dream is to be president.
Is it?
Quote:Trump just wants to lose the election.
Maybe. Maybe not. It definitely would have been in his best interest had he lost.
Quote:We all know the result.
An idiot beat one of the most hated women in modern politics. Not too much of a stretch.
Quote:That’s some crazy s*** right there. Not only logically speaking....but just.....well if the “most qualified person ever” (who’s trying to win) loses to someone else who’s trying to lose, there’s something wrong there.
Yeah.... it's called the Electoral College.
Quote: RSSo over here we got Hillary Clinton, most qualified person ever to run for president.
Quote: TigerWu
LOL WUT
Obama: Hillary Clinton Most Qualified Presidential Candidate Ever:
https://chicagotonight.wttw.com/2016/07/27/obama-hillary-clinton-most-qualified-presidential-candidate-ever
A Obama quote from the above link:
“That’s the Hillary I know. That’s the Hillary I’ve come to admire," he continued. "And that’s why I can say with confidence there has never been a man or a woman—not me, not Bill, nobody—more qualified than Hillary Clinton to serve as president of the United States of America.”
I guess you are laughing at Obama.
