Trump's Second and Third year in office

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The cartoonist who made this got fired from his job at the newspaper he worked for because of it.

I’d say he’s a hero. The truth stings.

So did this one, same day I think.



Guess it's going to make newspapers obsolete, if they try to suppress what's freely available elsewhere. We subscribe to several, just to support the medium. But if they're going to give in, they may have forfeited our collective patronage.

Again, NVM that's it's about Trump. Are you telling me you don't find that disrespectful and inappropriate at all? You don't find it very insensitive to all the Immigrants and their family's that you love so much that have lost loved ones while trying to cross the border?

No, it's not about Trump. And I don't "love the immigrants so much". It's cutting commentary that's directly on-point about the consequences of bad and illegal policies being inflicted on immigrants. IOW, it's political cartooning at its best. And protected speech.

Chances are, the fired cartoonists have no legal recourse - the newspaper has the right to publish what and whom they want. But whenever expressing an opinion contrary to the government position is quashed, it needs to be noted.

His name was Julian Assange

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The cartoonist who made this got fired from his job at the newspaper he worked for because of it.

I’d say he’s a hero. The truth stings.

So did this one, same day I think.



Guess it's going to make newspapers obsolete, if they try to suppress what's freely available elsewhere. We subscribe to several, just to support the medium. But if they're going to give in, they may have forfeited our collective patronage.

Again, NVM that's it's about Trump. Are you telling me you don't find that disrespectful and inappropriate at all? You don't find it very insensitive to all the Immigrants and their family's that you love so much that have lost loved ones while trying to cross the border?

And I don't "love the immigrants so much". It's cutting commentary that's directly on-point

So then you hate immigrants.

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Major omission of real facts like the special protections the federal government extends to Google, Facebook and Twitter et. despite their status as monopolies.

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Major omission of real facts like the special protections the federal government extends to Google, Facebook and Twitter et. despite their status as monopolies.

You really cant tell the difference between the government and private companies?

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The cartoonist who made this got fired from his job at the newspaper he worked for because of it.

I’d say he’s a hero. The truth stings.

So did this one, same day I think.



Guess it's going to make newspapers obsolete, if they try to suppress what's freely available elsewhere. We subscribe to several, just to support the medium. But if they're going to give in, they may have forfeited our collective patronage.

Again, NVM that's it's about Trump. Are you telling me you don't find that disrespectful and inappropriate at all? You don't find it very insensitive to all the Immigrants and their family's that you love so much that have lost loved ones while trying to cross the border?

And I don't "love the immigrants so much". It's cutting commentary that's directly on-point

So then you hate immigrants.

The world is not just black and white, unless you're trolling someone.

There's clearly a place for migrant workers in our economy.

There's clearly a place for immigrants, students on visas, skilled workers on green cards.

There's clearly a need and a usefulness to a path to citizenship that benefits the US at LEAST as much as it benefits the immigrants.

There's clearly a need to stop human trafficking, illegal drugs, and criminals from coming into this country.

The issue, as Trump has positioned it, has been polluted into racist repelling of particular groups based ONLY on their country of origin, religion, or skin color.

It's repugnant and unAmerican at the most basic level, not to mention illegal and Unconstitutional in many cases. It's also divisive and harmful to our resident population.

That gets twisted into "liberals want open borders" and such. NO, they don't. They want the Rule of Law to govern who is admitted, how quickly, and asylum claims to be considered in a timely way. Liberals want over stayed visas to be enforced, enough agents on legal points of entry to process people quickly, enough agents available to patrol and stop illegal crossings, and smart borders that do a better job of detecting breaches and issues than a dumb wall.

But they also want this country to continue to grow and flourish with healthy amounts of immigrants. Unless any of us is NA, (Face, for one), we are ALL immigrants. And America is built on it. THAT'S the reality. The rest is hypocrisy.

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That gets twisted into "liberals want open borders" and such. NO, they don't. They want the Rule of Law to govern who is admitted, how quickly, and asylum claims to be considered in a timely way. Liberals want over stayed visas to be enforced, enough agents on legal points of entry to process people quickly, enough agents available to patrol and stop illegal crossings, and smart borders that do a better job of detecting breaches and issues than a dumb wall.

Be sure to let Pelosi and Durbin know that.

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Major omission of real facts like the special protections the federal government extends to Google, Facebook and Twitter et. despite their status as monopolies.

FB, Twitter, Google. All private companies.

They have as much right, as content providers, to decide what content they want to carry as the baker who won't make a gay wedding cake or the pharmacists who won't sell contraceptives or the morning-after pill. Or the Mexican restaurant that won't put pickled herring or borscht on their menu. Or a million other examples.

Those media companies have decided they don't want to transmit and effectuate hate speech, fake news, other stuff, including even the most innocent picture that includes female breasts. You don't like it, you're free to start your own social media company and set your own standards. Go to it - it's a free country.

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Hard to believe anyone could see this as a good decision with all of CA’s other problems.
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I sub to a YT channel by somebody who
lives in Calif and reports on conditions
there. It's turning into a 3rd world country
in some places. Homeless everywhere,
begging, spreading disease. Crime is
off the charts, defecating on sidewalks,
the cops don't even bother public urinators
anymore. He says the middle class is
leaving in droves, being replaced by
homeless illegals and misfits from other
states who want the welfare benefits.

I left Calif in 1983 because it was starting
even then. People there now call the 80's
the 'good old days'. That's just frightening.

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I find it amusing that lefties who say they support free speech are silent when entities such as google, facebook, twitter and youtube censor conservative speech.

This is a laughable argument.

Why should private companies not have the right to decide what content they allow on their platforms? There’s nothing stopping anyone from starting up a social media network that only allows conservative views. Or a YouTube-like site that only allows conservative videos to be posted. Nothing at all stopping anyone who hates liberals from starting up any internet site they like and excluding that content. In fact I’m sure there are many that do.