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AxelWolf
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January 9th, 2018 at 9:12:00 AM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

As some people know, horses are my favorite method of gambling.

Uh-oh! With that information, I think I have to side with the wife.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Rigondeaux
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January 9th, 2018 at 11:57:48 AM permalink
I could also go the rest of my life without gambling. I'd probably still think about it a lot because I like the idea of putting your money where your mouth is.

If you're betting $40 a week at the track or something, obviously your -ev is less than going to the movies. But explaining this sort of thing to most women is pointless, even if they can understand it intellectually. She feels upset when you lose and that's that.

However, skipping it for a month will still be good. You might save money. (Unless you go to the movies instead). But it's like the Seinfeld episode. It feels good to be master of your domain. It's nice to show that you can be in control of your appetites, instead of them controlling you. It feels good to know you are free.
GWAE
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Thanks for this post from:
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January 9th, 2018 at 12:18:58 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Thanks for all the responses. I was under the impression there were more gamblers on this site...

I'll respond to some of the posts (except posts about clocking roulette wheels). Gambling is not really too expensive of a hobby. But, it's a roller coaster. I think that's the part my wife is sick of. I'll lose $100 over a weekend, and she'll be upset. I'll tell her, you know I won $80 last weekend, so it was actually just a $20 loss over two weeks. She doesn't like that answer.

I didn't ask her to give anything up, and the actual reason is, that I want to show her that my gambling is not why we don't have more money. The gambling is a convenient excuse for her, so now I can go through and show her that it's a team effort, and we can both be put on a budget for our extra expenses (she likes $15 lunches and breakfast/coffee every morning) and it should be fine.

And I guess finally, January is a good month for a "cleanse" so to speak. As some people know, horses are my favorite method of gambling. January is a pretty slow month on the horse racing calendar. I think "no gambling January" is a good tradition. It's after Christmas, so we'll always be low on money. Maybe no pizza February would be good for me too...

I know I'm going to "make it" because I have will power. The tough part is when there is a bet with +ev. There are a lot of promotions (as many of you know from casinos) that pretty much means that money is being given away. It's tough for me not to take advantage. But I made a promise to myself and my wife.

Thanks again everyone.



Fins, the number 1 reason for divorce is money. If she feels there isn't enough money in the household then it is a huge stress on her life and it will eventually cause a major issue in the relationship. I would recommend sitting down and creating a strong budget. Itemize every penny that is spent for 1 month. Then you can both look at it with eyes wide open and really see where the leak is. If you both see that she is spending $300 a month on lunch and coffee then it will lead to discussion and not be an argument. What we did before the kids was basically just what I said. We gave ourselves an allowance and she could use that for eating out or buying a purse. I would of course save mine up and gamble. It worked for us.
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lilredrooster
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January 9th, 2018 at 2:23:47 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Uh-oh! With that information, I think I have to side with the wife.



machine play is boring. rote memorization. the same thing over and over again.

a horse race is a puzzle. each race is a new and different puzzle. most you can't figure out. a few you can.

some of the best will just pass on the ones they can't figure or bet very small just to pass the time. and then plunge deeply on the ones they can figure out.

from your comment it sounds like you think all horse players are losers.

if I'm right and that is what you think - you are very badly mistaken my friend. very, very badly mistaken.
Last edited by: lilredrooster on Jan 9, 2018
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WatchMeWin
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January 9th, 2018 at 2:36:17 PM permalink
GWAE is right about that... the number one cause of divorce is money. Money Money Money! At the end of the day , its all about the benji amens! Women want to be secure. Money makes women secure. Women want to be happy. Women are happy when they are secure.... therefore, get that money! She probably wants you to put more time into work rather than on horses and betting. Put as much energy as you do on betting and horses into more work or business. This will go a long way with your wife, im sure. Communicate too.

Whether we like it or not, the word gambler has a negative connotation. It can be as dirty as syphilis and gonorrhea. No woman wants to be associated with a gambler... unless he/she is a profitable one and takes care of all of their financial needs. Love can be bought with money... yes, it is true. Love can also be destroyed by lack of money. It is a hard pill to swallow, but reality hurts. Unless you can show her that you are consistently making money with your horses and gambling, rather than spending as a hobby, she will probably never come around. Women aren't wired that way. Even though it makes perfect sense to budget the same amount you want to on gaming as she would want to on lunches and such.

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AxelWolf
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January 9th, 2018 at 3:54:30 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

machine play is boring. rote memorization. the same thing over and over again.

a horse race is a puzzle. each race is a new and different puzzle. most you can't figure out. a few you can.

some of the best will just pass on the ones they can't figure or bet very small just to pass the time. and then plunge deeply on the ones they can figure out.

from your comment it sounds like you think all horse players are losers.

if I'm right and that is what you think - you are very badly mistaken my friend. very, very badly mistaken.


Not all of them, just 99.99 % of the guys who actually think they have an advantage. All forms of gambling can be beaten under the right circumstances, even live keno.


Who said anyone only has to play only machines?

I'm not sure if the OP has an advantage on horses or not, it seems to me if he was a winning gambler he could show his wife records(or his ever-growing BR), and that would win him the argument. Perhaps not, if she can't grasp the concept of variance.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
FinsRule
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January 9th, 2018 at 4:49:04 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

I could also go the rest of my life without gambling. I'd probably still think about it a lot because I like the idea of putting your money where your mouth is.

If you're betting $40 a week at the track or something, obviously your -ev is less than going to the movies. But explaining this sort of thing to most women is pointless, even if they can understand it intellectually. She feels upset when you lose and that's that.

However, skipping it for a month will still be good. You might save money. (Unless you go to the movies instead). But it's like the Seinfeld episode. It feels good to be master of your domain. It's nice to show that you can be in control of your appetites, instead of them controlling you. It feels good to know you are free.



This, pretty much.

And a month without fighting about money is nice.

I'm not an advantage player. Sometimes I can find contests, promos, or bridge jumping opportunities that are +ev. But the other half I'm just a completely average handicapper that loses just under the takeout.

2016 was a profitable year. 2017 was not. I actually think I did worse in 2017 because I gambled less. You definitely get better at horse handicapping the more you do it.
lilredrooster
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January 9th, 2018 at 4:49:47 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Not all of them, just 99.99 % of the guys who actually think they have an advantage




a person would have to be stupid to believe he has an advantage while he is constantly losing.

it now seems like you are saying horse players are stupid

and once again, you are very badly mistaken



did you do a great deal of research to come up with your 99.99% figure?
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FinsRule
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February 1st, 2018 at 4:21:20 AM permalink
Well, that was easier than I thought it was going to be.

I'm not sure if I have a lot of takeaways from this past month. I didn't have a big revelation. I found other things to do with my time, and it was fine.

Sorry for such a boring end to the thread.
robertb6
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February 1st, 2018 at 4:44:06 AM permalink
If you love her.. I'm pretty sure :)

Need to try it :D

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