100xOdds
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August 25th, 2017 at 8:28:53 PM permalink
best game at particular casino is 99.2% vp.
multiplier day = .8% cash back
comp rate = .1%

so i'll be +.1% for that day.
guess im getting old and will be skipping it. (50k coin-in = $50 theo profit but in food comps. I can only eat so much)
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
100xOdds
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August 25th, 2017 at 8:45:40 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

I would say that no one is going to put their hourly rate. I can say that I have a nice six figure "job" that requires at a minimum 2000 hours per year, last year was closer to 2500 hours.
I have a couple of serious AP side gigs that require about 16 hours per week including travel time and I am on track to double my income this year. Starting to make me wonder why I even want a normal job.


now you're making me think about going to a casino where a little old lady plays $1 Ult X 10play every weds around 1am.
she plays multiple games and leaves 2x/3x multipliers all over the place (bp, deuces wild, db, ddb).

loved her when I was unemployed and playing poker to survive.
but after getting a 6figure job, I thought it wasn't worth the 2hr round trip plus being dead at work in the morning.

now you're making me begin to rethink that...
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
prozema
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August 25th, 2017 at 9:07:29 PM permalink
So I'm new at this AP thing and still learning. I hope I'm not being too honest.

I've been at it for ~326 hours so far and I'm making about $25 per hour. Now, sometimes I do just play game with - EV for fun and if I take my "party hours" and wins / losses out, I'm closer to $35 per hr when sticking to +EV tactics.

Sometimes I even buy drinks and rooms, but I treat that more like a withdrawal or a divendend. Gambling (I hate that word) operations income, which is simply the time I spend either scouting or betting is all I count in my hourly calculation.

I work next door to two casinos, so I just go on lunch breaks and a few extra hours here and there. Home to casino is about 20 minutes. Lunch breaks are about 5 minutes each way. Every once in a while I do drive about 40 minutes each way to a casino that has more opportunities... When I have time. Either way, I consider gas and car maintenance sunk costs.

I'm convinced I could make a higher hourly, but I'm worried I'd burn out the local casinos. I mean, it's not my full time gig, and I enjoy doing it part time, but I think full time would burn me out. Also, my full time gig gets me better than 2/3 of the way to state level 1 percenter status for my state, so why push it?!?

The other thing worth mentioning is that one trip, I was there about 30 minutes and walked away with $4400 profit from a +EV move... $13 / hr of my total hourly rate is one trip that lasted 30 minutes... So that one half hour could be making my hourly look high as a result of variance. On the other hand, I've lost $1k in just over an hour with + EV plays, so maybe it all balances out in the end. Who knows... I'll find out as I log more hours. I'm thinking roughly $10 / hr in outliers, + or -, could be in there somewhere.

Bottom line... Read the books... Surf the forums... Think about what you are seeing and how you might play what you see. Then look for better plays. Then rack up hours. Math works, and you don't need to sweat that part if you have enough money to ride out variance.

One last thing... A 1% edge sucks bad unless you have a lot more money than I do or you can knock variance down to non-existent... I can't figure out how to knock variance down to non-existent and I have more than my fair share of income.

I wish you luck, but hope you don't need it.
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prozema
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August 25th, 2017 at 9:22:19 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

Quote: MaxPen

I would say that no one is going to put their hourly rate. I can say that I have a nice six figure "job" that requires at a minimum 2000 hours per year, last year was closer to 2500 hours.
I have a couple of serious AP side gigs that require about 16 hours per week including travel time and I am on track to double my income this year. Starting to make me wonder why I even want a normal job.


now you're making me think about going to a casino where a little old lady plays $1 Ult X 10play every weds around 1am.
she plays multiple games and leaves 2x/3x multipliers all over the place (bp, deuces wild, db, ddb).

loved her when I was unemployed and playing poker to survive.
but after getting a 6figure job, I thought it wasn't worth the 2hr round trip plus being dead at work in the morning.

now you're making me begin to rethink that...



I like that lady too. I miss $2 10 play ult x.
I love it when a plan comes together.
billryan
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August 26th, 2017 at 12:02:54 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Actually never did ac from chinatown it was the sands in Pa from chinatown 3 times a day

$18 got u $45 freeplay. Three times a day using vbj to turn it around was about a $100 per day profit



I'm not sure if it an urban legend or not, but I often heard a Chinese gang was organizing adult day care and putting elderly Chinese people on these buses.
Get them out of the house and off their kids hands for the day. Get forty people riding the bus all day and you are pulling in a couple hundred a day ,seven days a week, as well as charging the kids for daycare.
I do know that one trip, from Flushing, they stamped my hand. When I asked why, they said only one bonus per day.
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BobDancer
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August 28th, 2017 at 7:43:33 PM permalink
I don’t figure my income “per hour,” but rather “per year.” I also don’t know exactly what to count as hours.

I have “related jobs” such as teaching classes, writing articles, and a radio podcast that most of you don’t have. Those yield a positive revenue stream but eat up hours. Still, doing all that related stuff makes me a better player at my “main job” which is playing video poker. And the related things keep me in Vegas for most of the year. If I traveled regularly there would be more opportunities.

Whoever complained about a 1% edge at blackjack eating him up, video poker players usually deal with smaller edges than that --- with a bigger variance game. And video poker opportunities are drying up everywhere --- including Vegas.

I average low six figures (including the “related jobs”) but 3 of my last 10 years have been negative. If you need the money to live on, video poker is a tough way to do it. If you have the bankroll to ride out some losing years, some people can still do well with the game. But not nearly so many as could do so in the past. And the comps are not nearly so generous as they used to be.
100xOdds
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August 29th, 2017 at 9:21:52 AM permalink
Quote: BobDancer

If you need the money to live on, video poker is a tough way to do it. If you have the bankroll to ride out some losing years, some people can still do well with the game. But not nearly so many as could do so in the past. And the comps are not nearly so generous as they used to be.


thats why after getting 5fgiures in w2-g in a day in vp, I decided to be a flea and stop gambling for the year.
just go for the free food at diamond lounges plus get whatever freeplay/gifts.
then on jan 1, do $50k coin-in (aka Diad).
and hopefully freeplay/gifts return (at least for a short while).

there are many other forms of entertainment out there.
if the casinos didn't cut back on comps, that gambling profits would be going back to the casino.
instead, it's financing other fun.
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Greasyjohn
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August 29th, 2017 at 2:25:21 PM permalink
I get RFB comps when I go to Vegas. Still, when you factor in gas for travel, 10 hours on the road round trip, the fact that I practice playing blackjack 10 times more than I actually play it--even if you add in extra play cash, promos, free slot play, etc., I still don't make much on a per hour basis.

But I have a juicy offer coming up: $200 in free slot play, two free nights and $100 food credit.

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