billryan
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August 25th, 2017 at 2:20:19 PM permalink
What he would do is get a list of people who had called from his assistant and call them back. Thus, at least in his mind, the trip was partly company business.
It's what you do and not what you say If you're not part of the future then get out of the way
darkoz
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August 25th, 2017 at 2:30:32 PM permalink
Quote: TumblingBones

Yup, that's pretty much my take too. I'm not going to bill for the time I spend eating a meal while traveling since I would be doing that regardless of location. As to your buddy's 4 minute call scam, I wouldn't do that either. I would bill for the 4 minutes only as the trip has no business purpose (i.e., wasn't at clients request).

We seem to have drifted from the original Q of whether anybody feels they've even come close to making a decent wage as an AP.



I make quite a lot. Enough that people on here sometimes dont believe me wen i say how much
billryan
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August 25th, 2017 at 2:43:05 PM permalink
I've met some pretty intelligent people through these boards. When they run off out of state to pursue an advantage someone turned up, I assume they make a good living doing it. Despite the way they dress and the cars they drive.
Myself, I'm slightly in the black the last year, maybe fifty cents an hour, give or take a dime.
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FleaStiff
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August 25th, 2017 at 4:17:52 PM permalink
Heck, you play the game you like in the manner that you like betting the amounts that you like, so you might as well do your acccounting in whatever manner you choose.

I think it would be reasonable to consider travel times and any 'excess' meal costs, such as eating at an expensive casino rather than a cheaper one. I would add in parking expenses, time of actual play, time of any sort of 'image shaping' behavior, tips, etc.

One guy who owned a store said that upstairs in my old pushcart, everything else is profit.

Short term, long term.... I keep telling the roulette wheel about that stuff. It doesn't listen to me.
MrV
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August 25th, 2017 at 4:41:37 PM permalink
Gambling involves a never ending cost / benefit analysis, at least for those not pathologically addicted.

Just as with any hobby, if the pleasure netted is less than the expense, better drop it.
"What, me worry?"
darkoz
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August 25th, 2017 at 4:43:17 PM permalink
It just seems like a slippery slope to start including travel time. As in time away from home?

So if i stay overnight in Vegas or ac i need to count the 8 hours i slept in the hotel as business hours

If i go shopping in ac for few hours?

Juat saying i walked out the door pf my house now im on the clock seems ridiculous
billryan
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August 25th, 2017 at 4:55:57 PM permalink
Unless you are doing three roundtrip China Town buses to AC to ake advantage of the $20fare/32 coin back, I wouldn't include travel time in my hourly.
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darkoz
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August 25th, 2017 at 5:04:47 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Unless you are doing three roundtrip China Town buses to AC to ake advantage of the $20fare/32 coin back, I wouldn't include travel time in my hourly.



Oh the memories!!$
darkoz
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August 25th, 2017 at 5:10:32 PM permalink
Actually never did ac from chinatown it was the sands in Pa from chinatown 3 times a day

$18 got u $45 freeplay. Three times a day using vbj to turn it around was about a $100 per day profit
MaxPen
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August 25th, 2017 at 8:07:33 PM permalink
I would say that no one is going to put their hourly rate. I can say that I have a nice six figure "job" that requires at a minimum 2000 hours per year, last year was closer to 2500 hours. I have a couple of serious AP side gigs that require about 16 hours per week including travel time and I am on track to double my income this year. Starting to make me wonder why I even want a normal job.
Some plays the hourly is rediculous but those come with a lot of what ifs and you usually wind up having to jump thru hoops to get paid once the casino catches on. Figures from this type of play is not included in the above. Bottom line is most professional AP's don't view what they do as a job. They determine what they need, develop a plan, implement the plan, and do what they gotta do to get where they want to go.
Some AP's are more successful than others. The ones who don't have leaks, a strong commitment to the craft, and good work ethic will be the more successful by outward appearances even though they may not be the best or most astute at the craft.

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