Trump's Final 100 days

Quote: darkoz

Im sorry but this is one of the most racist threads on WOV

Intentionally racist most likely

At best as unintentional as an H&M ad

Yeah, it's pretty rank.

For some reason, people who claim to be old enough to legally gamble turn into 13 year old children on here. They need to stay hydrated or something, because their brains shrink.

Savage.

Quote: ams288

Savage.

And the economy keeps growing, the market keeps rallying, and Booker keeps crying while attacking a woman.

Quote: Boz

Quote: ams288

Savage.

And the economy keeps growing, the market keeps rallying, and Booker keeps crying while attacking a woman.

And Donald keeps..... eating McDonalds in bed.

Quote: ams288

And Donald keeps..... eating McDonalds in bed.

And golfing. Don't forget all the golfing.

Quote: MaxPen

Trump would never mess around with a porn star. The dude is a germaphobe to the Nth degree. Always has been. He is also very traditional in his relationships.

This has got to be one of the funniest jokes in the entire thread. Kudos! Unless you were being serious... but really I'm still laughing at it either way =).

If he's so traditional and respectful... I'll take action that whenever the donald is done in office, Melania and him divorce within 5 years. Open bet to all members in good standing.

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Savage.

And the economy keeps growing, the market keeps rallying, and Booker keeps crying while attacking a woman.

And Donald keeps..... eating McDonalds in bed.

And that’s what your down to. Making fun of a guys weight. At least your portfolio is growing faster than The Donald.

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Savage.

And the economy keeps growing, the market keeps rallying, and Booker keeps crying while attacking a woman.

And Donald keeps..... eating McDonalds in bed.

that is so funny. When they said his weight on the news last night I was like WTF. Tell me he is 280 and I will buy it. 240 no way.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/slideshow/2011/05/24/oprahs-weight-through-years.html#/slide/oprah-2011

Sad what we are down to, but I’ll play.

When you have nothing left it’s tme to go to the personal weight attacks.

And since I loved the The Women of Brewster Place, this is all I have.

Quote: Romes

If he's so traditional and respectful... I'll take action that whenever the donald is done in office, Melania and him divorce within 5 years. Open bet to all members in good standing.

I'll take that bet... but the only reason they WON'T divorce is that he will be dead within 5 years of leaving office (natural causes).

$10

Quote: Boz

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Savage.

And the economy keeps growing, the market keeps rallying, and Booker keeps crying while attacking a woman.

And Donald keeps..... eating McDonalds in bed.

And that’s what your down to. Making fun of a guys weight. At least your portfolio is growing faster than The Donald.

I've been making fun of his weight for ages.

THIS pic is still the best thing to come out of the Trump Presidency:

Quote: TigerWu

I'll take that bet... but the only reason they WON'T divorce is that he will be dead within 5 years of leaving office (natural causes).

$10

Hmmm, fair point lol. I would have originally thought death means they're "not together" anymore which would benefit me. I think we should clarify that death to either party makes the bet a push... The bet is that they're both alive and "fine" for 5 years after his presidency, and I'm betting the under 5 year mark for their divorce. If you're fine with that, then we have a bet! =)

Perhaps we all take a snapshot at age 71 and see the reality. Only 30+% or more adults and children are medically obese today. Trump has to avoid 2 lbs or shrinking to be just overweight. Don't forget the snapshot! Mine is due in 5 years. How about some of the critics?

Quote: Romes

Hmmm, fair point lol. I would have originally thought death means they're "not together" anymore which would benefit me. I think we should clarify that death to either party makes the bet a push... The bet is that they're both alive and "fine" for 5 years after his presidency, and I'm betting the under 5 year mark for their divorce. If you're fine with that, then we have a bet! =)

Hmm... okay. It's a bet.

My $10 says that at least 5 years to the day he is officially no longer President, he and Melania are still legally married.

Death is a push.

Quote: TigerWu

Hmm... okay. It's a bet.

My $10 says that at least 5 years to the day he is officially no longer President, he and Melania are still legally married.

Death is a push.

Reconfirming, a bet we have for $10! I've never bet on politics, I feel so dirty... lol. And now we wait, for potentially up to 12 more years for our $10 bet to resolve =D.

I see that I missed nothing. Talk about Trump's weight and Michelle Obama being a man. Stupid waste of time.

Trump's doctor report also worked for Obama and also worked in the Bush administration. So what if Trump is fat.

Issues, people, issues.

Quote: boymimbo

Trump's doctor report also worked for Obama and also worked in the Bush administration. So what if Trump is fat.

Issues, people, issues.

The issue isn't that he's fat.

The issue is people are claiming that the administration is obviously and needlessly lying about his height, weight, and health.

Quote: TigerWu

The issue isn't that he's fat.

The issue is people are claiming that the administration is obviously and needlessly lying about his height, weight, and health.

Wasn't hillary supposed to be dead by now, according to Jimmy Alex Jones and Russian Limbaugh last year?

Quote: gamerfreak

Wasn't hillary supposed to be dead by now, according to Jimmy Alex Jones and Russian Limbaugh last year?

She may or may not have gotten replaced....sort'a like when a kid has a goldfish and it dies, parents just buy a new one and trick the kid.

Quote: Romes

This has got to be one of the funniest jokes in the entire thread. Kudos! Unless you were being serious... but really I'm still laughing at it either way =).

If he's so traditional and respectful... I'll take action that whenever the donald is done in office, Melania and him divorce within 5 years. Open bet to all members in good standing.

I would take that bet, but I can't count on being available to pay off by then, so I'll pass. DJT will likely be 74 when he leaves office, and even a small possibility 78. I think Melania will ride it out, not wanting the mess that would drag her child into it.

Quote: gamerfreak

Wasn't hillary supposed to be dead by now, according to Jimmy Alex Jones and Russian Limbaugh last year?

No, they don't want her to die... otherwise they would lose their main deep-state boogeyman!

Although I can almost guarantee you that if Hillary does die in the near future, Fox News will be running stories about how "some people are saying her death was a hoax!"

If you listen to pretty much any speech trump gives he is clearly following the bellmans rule of three

http://aliceinwonderland.wikia.com/wiki/The_Bellman

Quote: MaxPen

Comment had nothing to do with race. Democrats are dangerous to a wallet.

Considering that the United States economy has historically performed measurably better under Democratic administrations throughout the last 100 or so years, I'd say your comment had everything to do with race. It's definitely not built upon any factual data.

And using recent history as an example, my 401k and home value plummeted during the last republican administration while it rebounded and thrived under the last democratic administration.

Rinse/repeat.

Quote: Steverinos

Considering that the United States economy has historically performed measurably better under Democratic administrations throughout the last 100 or so years, I'd say your comment had everything to do with race. It's definitely not built upon any factual data.

I took Maxpen's joke as being about democrats, not black people. I 100% disagree with that premise, but I honestly don't think Max was making a racial comment.

Quote: gamerfreak

I took Maxpen's joke as being about democrats, not black people. I 100% disagree with that premise, but I honestly don't think Max was making a racial comment.

Nonetheless he is smart enough to understand why it could and does come off as racist.

Is this purposeful? Plausible deniability?

Listen guys it is up to all of us to mind our comments even when unintentional. Ignorance just isnt an excuse for insensitivity

So when you are shaking your new investing partners hand and comment "gee i know you people are tough. You dont like to hand out money" and you wonder why the guy wearing the yarmulke suddenly frowns and changes his mind...

Or when you have solved a big crisis and you thank the whiz who helped you commenting "we were really dealing with a chink in the armor huh?" and the face of the Chinese guy suddenly frowns...

Your pleading ignorance of racial stereotypes is just reprehensible

Quote: gamerfreak

I took Maxpen's joke as being about democrats, not black people. I 100% disagree with that premise, but I honestly don't think Max was making a racial comment.

Nah. Considering his past remarks and his avatar, the odds of that joke being about something other than Obama's race is next to nothing. Trying to pass it off as something else is laughable.

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Quote: gamerfreak

Wasn't hillary supposed to be dead by now, according to Jimmy Alex Jones and Russian Limbaugh last year?

She may or may not have gotten replaced..

Bill has been “replacing” her for over 40 years. And honestly, who would blame him?

Quote: darkoz

Or when you have solved a big crisis and you thank the whiz who helped you commenting "we were really dealing with a chink in the armor huh?" and the face of the Chinese guy suddenly frowns...

This one doesn't involve ignorance of racial stereotypes, though. The Chinese guy just doesn't understand the idiom.

I don't know why Michelle Obama being a man is bothersome anyway. She'd be more a man than Trump is in many ways if she was. Strong, doesn't punch down, or pick on the poor nations and invalids. Role model for kids. Doesn't spend all day lying about herself. All the good traits.

You guys think the comment about Barack going after Donald's wallet could be racist? Yet, you missed this one?

Quote: MaxPen

He is 6 foot 2........Melania is 5 foot 11same as Michael Obama. Funny how one looks like a Sasquatch and the other one doesn't.

Focus people, focus.

Ho Hum, another day, another Stock Market record.

Is anyone else tired of having to do all this math on gains and concerned about taxes on the profits when they sell?

How about those pesky distributions on your Mutual Funds?

Or are you just tired of WINNING?

Quote: AxelWolf

You guys think the comment about Barack going after Donald's wallet could be racist? Yet, you missed this one?
Focus people, focus.

No, I saw that one as well. All of it is disgusting.

Quote: Boz

Ho Hum, another day, another Stock Market record.

Is anyone else tired of having to do all this math on gains and concerned about taxes on the profits when they sell?

How about those pesky distributions on your Mutual Funds?

Or are you just tired of WINNING?

America's been enjoying a bull market for quite some time. But only 50% of Americans have anything invested in the stock market, and that includes retirement funds. Which is why smart presidents do not boast the stock market numbers when it's bull. If you are constantly bragging about it then you will naturally be blamed for it when it turns bear.

That being said, the current run is impressive.

Text of Senate speech today by Jeff Flake, R-AZ. Absolute must-read. Part of Senate record, so not subject to copyright.

Mr. President, near the beginning of the document that made us free, our Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson wrote: "We hold these truths to be self-evident..." So, from our very beginnings, our freedom has been predicated on truth. The founders were visionary in this regard, understanding well that good faith and shared facts between the governed and the government would be the very basis of this ongoing idea of America.

As the distinguished former member of this body, Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York, famously said: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." During the past year, I am alarmed to say that Senator Moynihan's proposition has likely been tested more severely than at any time in our history.

It is for that reason that I rise today, to talk about the truth, and its relationship to democracy. For without truth, and a principled fidelity to truth and to shared facts, Mr. President, our democracy will not last.

2017 was a year which saw the truth -- objective, empirical, evidence-based truth -- more battered and abused than any other in the history of our country, at the hands of the most powerful figure in our government. It was a year which saw the White House enshrine "alternative facts" into the American lexicon, as justification for what used to be known simply as good old-fashioned falsehoods. It was the year in which an unrelenting daily assault on the constitutionally-protected free press was launched by that same White House, an assault that is as unprecedented as it is unwarranted. "The enemy of the people," was what the president of the United States called the free press in 2017.

Mr. President, it is a testament to the condition of our democracy that our own president uses words infamously spoken by Josef Stalin to describe his enemies. It bears noting that so fraught with malice was the phrase "enemy of the people," that even Nikita Khrushchev forbade its use, telling the Soviet Communist Party that the phrase had been introduced by Stalin for the purpose of "annihilating such individuals" who disagreed with the supreme leader.

This alone should be a source of great shame for us in this body, especially for those of us in the president's party. For they are shameful, repulsive statements. And, of course, the president has it precisely backward -- despotism is the enemy of the people. The free press is the despot's enemy, which makes the free press the guardian of democracy. When a figure in power reflexively calls any press that doesn't suit him "fake news," it is that person who should be the figure of suspicion, not the press.

I dare say that anyone who has the privilege and awesome responsibility to serve in this chamber knows that these reflexive slurs of "fake news" are dubious, at best. Those of us who travel overseas, especially to war zones and other troubled areas around the globe, encounter members of U.S. based media who risk their lives, and sometimes lose their lives, reporting on the truth. To dismiss their work as fake news is an affront to their commitment and their sacrifice.

According to the International Federation of Journalists, 80 journalists were killed in 2017, and a new report from the Committee to Protect Journalists documents that the number of journalists imprisoned around the world has reached 262, which is a new record. This total includes 21 reporters who are being held on "false news" charges.

Mr. President, so powerful is the presidency that the damage done by the sustained attack on the truth will not be confined to the president's time in office. Here in America, we do not pay obeisance to the powerful -- in fact, we question the powerful most ardently -- to do so is our birthright and a requirement of our citizenship -- and so, we know well that no matter how powerful, no president will ever have dominion over objective reality.

No politician will ever get to tell us what the truth is and is not. And anyone who presumes to try to attack or manipulate the truth to his own purposes should be made to realize the mistake and be held to account. That is our job here. And that is just as Madison, Hamilton, and Jay would have it.

Of course, a major difference between politicians and the free press is that the press usually corrects itself when it gets something wrong. Politicians don't.

No longer can we compound attacks on truth with our silent acquiescence. No longer can we turn a blind eye or a deaf ear to these assaults on our institutions. And Mr. President, an American president who cannot take criticism -- who must constantly deflect and distort and distract -- who must find someone else to blame -- is charting a very dangerous path. And a Congress that fails to act as a check on the president adds to the danger.

Now, we are told via twitter that today the president intends to announce his choice for the "most corrupt and dishonest" media awards. It beggars belief that an American president would engage in such a spectacle. But here we are.

And so, 2018 must be the year in which the truth takes a stand against power that would weaken it. In this effort, the choice is quite simple. And in this effort, the truth needs as many allies as possible. Together, my colleagues, we are powerful. Together, we have it within us to turn back these attacks, right these wrongs, repair this damage, restore reverence for our institutions, and prevent further moral vandalism.

Together, united in the purpose to do our jobs under the Constitution, without regard to party or party loyalty, let us resolve to be allies of the truth -- and not partners in its destruction.

It is not my purpose here to inventory all of the official untruths of the past year. But a brief survey is in order. Some untruths are trivial -- such as the bizarre contention regarding the crowd size at last year's inaugural.

But many untruths are not at all trivial -- such as the seminal untruth of the president's political career - the oft-repeated conspiracy about the birthplace of President Obama. Also not trivial are the equally pernicious fantasies about rigged elections and massive voter fraud, which are as destructive as they are inaccurate -- to the effort to undermine confidence in the federal courts, federal law enforcement, the intelligence community and the free press, to perhaps the most vexing untruth of all -- the supposed "hoax" at the heart of special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation.

To be very clear, to call the Russia matter a "hoax" -- as the president has many times -- is a falsehood. We know that the attacks orchestrated by the Russian government during the election were real and constitute a grave threat to both American sovereignty and to our national security. It is in the interest of every American to get to the bottom of this matter, wherever the investigation leads.

Ignoring or denying the truth about hostile Russian intentions toward the United States leaves us vulnerable to further attacks. We are told by our intelligence agencies that those attacks are ongoing, yet it has recently been reported that there has not been a single cabinet-level meeting regarding Russian interference and how to defend America against these attacks. Not one. What might seem like a casual and routine untruth -- so casual and routine that it has by now become the white noise of Washington - is in fact a serious lapse in the defense of our country.

Mr. President, let us be clear. The impulses underlying the dissemination of such untruths are not benign. They have the effect of eroding trust in our vital institutions and conditioning the public to no longer trust them. The destructive effect of this kind of behavior on our democracy cannot be overstated.

Mr. President, every word that a president utters projects American values around the world. The values of free expression and a reverence for the free press have been our global hallmark, for it is our ability to freely air the truth that keeps our government honest and keeps a people free. Between the mighty and the modest, truth is the great leveler. And so, respect for freedom of the press has always been one of our most important exports.

But a recent report published in our free press should raise an alarm. Reading from the story:

"In February…Syrian President Bashar Assad brushed off an Amnesty International report that some 13,000 people had been killed at one of his military prisons by saying, "You can forge anything these days, we are living in a fake news era."

In the Philippines, President Rodrigo Duterte has complained of being "demonized" by "fake news." Last month, the report continues, with our President, quote "laughing by his side" Duterte called reporters "spies."

In July, Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro complained to the Russian propaganda outlet, that the world media had "spread lots of false versions, lots of lies" about his country, adding, "This is what we call 'fake news' today, isn't it?"

There are more:

"A state official in Myanmar recently said, "There is no such thing as Rohingya. It is fake news," referring to the persecuted ethnic group.

Leaders in Singapore, a country known for restricting free speech, have promised "fake news" legislation in the new year."

And on and on. This feedback loop is disgraceful, Mr. President. Not only has the past year seen an American president borrow despotic language to refer to the free press, but it seems he has in turn inspired dictators and authoritarians with his own language. This is reprehensible.

We are not in a "fake news" era, as Bashar Assad says. We are, rather, in an era in which the authoritarian impulse is reasserting itself, to challenge free people and free societies, everywhere.

In our own country, from the trivial to the truly dangerous, it is the range and regularity of the untruths we see that should be cause for profound alarm, and spur to action. Add to that the by-now predictable habit of calling true things false, and false things true, and we have a recipe for disaster. As George Orwell warned, "The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it."

Any of us who have spent time in public life have endured news coverage we felt was jaded or unfair. But in our positions, to employ even idle threats to use laws or regulations to stifle criticism is corrosive to our democratic institutions. Simply put: it is the press's obligation to uncover the truth about power. It is the people's right to criticize their government. And it is our job to take it.

What is the goal of laying siege to the truth? President John F. Kennedy, in a stirring speech on the 20th anniversary of the Voice of America, was eloquent in answer to that question:

"We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people."

Mr. President, the question of why the truth is now under such assault may well be for historians to determine. But for those who cherish American constitutional democracy, what matters is the effect on America and her people and her standing in an increasingly unstable world -- made all the more unstable by these very fabrications. What matters is the daily disassembling of our democratic institutions.

We are a mature democracy -- it is well past time that we stop excusing or ignoring -- or worse, endorsing -- these attacks on the truth. For if we compromise the truth for the sake of our politics, we are lost.

I sincerely thank my colleagues for their indulgence today. I will close by borrowing the words of an early adherent to my faith that I find has special resonance at this moment. His name was John Jacques, and as a young missionary in England he contemplated the question: "What is truth?" His search was expressed in poetry and ultimately in a hymn that I grew up with, titled "Oh Say, What is Truth." It ends as follows:

"Then say, what is truth? 'Tis the last and the first,

For the limits of time it steps o'er.

Tho the heavens depart and the earth's fountains burst.

Truth, the sum of existence, will weather the worst,

Eternal ... unchanged ... evermore."

Thank you, Mr. President. I yield the floor.

Quote: Boz

Ho Hum, another day, another Stock Market record.

Is anyone else tired of having to do all this math on gains and concerned about taxes on the profits when they sell?

How about those pesky distributions on your Mutual Funds?

Or are you just tired of WINNING?

Ehh... Everyone who's had money invested for a while is used to it by now. Bull market's been going on for almost a decade. I've been WINNING since 2009.

Quote: Steverinos

No, I saw that one as well. All of it is disgusting.

As is how the media is treating Trump with a report that 90% of the stories about him are negative.

We all have things that disgust us. And you and the fringe left doesn’t get to make the determination of what is and isn’t disgusting.

Some find it disgusting that some people that are able bodied choose to not have a job and are rewarded for it with benefits. Others find it disgusting someone would defend adults who illegally came into this country as having rights. Others find seafood and San Fransisco disgusting.

I remember when the Dow first threatened 1,000. My Dad had done some early computer work for one of the Wall St firms and wasn't sure the system would handle four digits. Each thousand points will come easier and quicker now. The jump from 1,000 to 2,000 was a 100% gain. From 25,000 to 26,000 is a 4% gain. Heck, a 13,000 drop is less than 50% right now. A minor 20% drop will reflect most of the value that was in the market pre-Obama.

Quote: Boz

As is how the media is treating Trump with a report that 90% of the stories about him are negative.

I mean, there might be a good reason for that...

Can't be liberal bias, either, because look how well Bush did:

Quote: TigerWu

I mean, there might be a good reason for that...

Can't be liberal bias, either, because look how well Bush did:

Or it’s because no one has even threatened everything they believe in like Trump.

He made the media his b**ch and continues to do so. And his followers eat it up.

Media bias? Not even a debate anymore.

Quote: Boz

Or it’s because no one has even threatened everything they believe in like Trump.

He made the media his b**ch and continues to do so. And his followers eat it up.

Media bias? Not even a debate anymore.

I don't know... With regards to Trump and the media, I just keep thinking of that saying, "If you meet an a**hole in the morning, you met an a**hole in the morning. If you meet a**holes all day, then YOU'RE the a**hole."

https://9to5mac.com/2018/01/04/apple-foreign-cash-repatriation/
https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/17/16901958/apple-new-us-campus-announced

More good news. Quality jobs for Americans and money flowing back into America.

Why was Obama so against bringing this money back without high taxes? And does anyone think apple would be doing this if Trumps tax plans wouldn’t have passed?

Quote: Boz

Quote: TigerWu

I mean, there might be a good reason for that...

Can't be liberal bias, either, because look how well Bush did:

Or it’s because no one has even threatened everything they believe in like Trump.

He made the media his b**ch and continues to do so. And his followers eat it up.

Media bias? Not even a debate anymore.

1st President that's an a**hole
I would expect negative coverage
Why do you even care?
I could care less whats on Fox or Breibart
Fox or Breibart can be 100% for Trump and and 100% against Dems and Obama and I could care less
My suggestion to you is to watch Fox. Go for it, I could care less.
Why do you care what Libs watch?

Quote: Boz

As is how the media is treating Trump with a report that 90% of the stories about him are negative.

Defending racial remarks by deflecting is also disgusting.

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Quote: TigerWu

I mean, there might be a good reason for that...

Can't be liberal bias, either, because look how well Bush did:

Or it’s because no one has even threatened everything they believe in like Trump.

He made the media his b**ch and continues to do so. And his followers eat it up.

Media bias? Not even a debate anymore.

LMAO, cracks me up

The media will be here long after Donald Trump is gone.

Quote: Steverinos

Defending racial remarks by deflecting is also disgusting.

And you determining what someone meant in a post without knowing them and calling their post “racist” is also disgusting.

Quote: Boz

And does anyone think apple would be doing this if Trumps tax plans wouldn’t have passed?

It wasn't Trump's tax plan.

What happened to three brackets? What happened to targeted child tax care credits? What about the repeal of AMT? What about the elimination of the carried interest loophole?

Look, it's pretty obvious that this tax reform is a YUUUUUUUUUUGE win for big business. Whether or not the benefits trickle down over the long term REMAINS TO BE SEEN. Trying to argue that most of the immediate benefits aren't going to the top is ridiculous.

Quote: Boz

And you determining what someone meant in a post without knowing them and calling their post “racist” is also disgusting.

He's referred to Obama as a "Kenyan Pickpocketer" several times on this board. Fine. If you want to say he just meant that he's really from Kenya and that he steals people money, fine. Whatever you say.

Quote: Steverinos

It wasn't Trump's tax plan.

What happened to three brackets? What happened to targeted child tax care credits? What about the repeal of AMT? What about the elimination of the carried interest loophole?

Look, it's pretty obvious that this tax reform is a YUUUUUUUUUUGE win for big business. Whether or not the benefits trickle down over the long term REMAINS TO BE SEEN. Trying to argue that most of the immediate benefits aren't going to the top is ridiculous.

You mean to those who pay the highest percentage of their income in taxes? Well duh, that would be fair.

Repatriation of cash was tried before to stir reinvestment, by Bush. It failed. The profits were used to bolster the stock market and didn't result in additional jobs. Given that Amazon is announcing a 50,000 job 2nd HQ (before the tax plan), it should be no surprise that Apple is doing the same. The economy is booming, and has been since 2010, when the Kenyan Muslim socialist dictator was in charge.

And you support the Government deciding to give a tax break of corporations by taxing their repatriated cash at 14% instead of the 35% it was a month ago (or 21% as it is today), saving them billions of dollars (Apple saving 7% of 200 billion in cash pays for 2/3rds of a border wall). You support corporate welfare, especially if you are shareholder, but hey hey, if you give welfare to a poor person who needs it, screw em. Nice values.

And because of the tax bill which has made the tax system territorial, corporations are encouraged to keep their tax havens where they are. Ireland's Tax Rate (which Apple uses as a shelter) is 12.5%, still lower than the US's 20%. There is no reason for Apple to bring that money home, except for the tax holiday that the US proposed. Your story as linked suggests that Apple will use the cash to buy Netflix. How is that possibly good news to anyone?

Don't forget, almost ALL economists have tagged the tax bill bad for the US economy. It increases the debt (by 1.4 trillion over the next 10 years). Most people who were banging Obama around were upset at him for increasing the deficit. Trump does the same and the word of debt and deficit seems to be deleted from the right's vocabulary.

Increased stock prices feed the rich. Who is going to pay off the 21 trillion national debt? The shareholders of Apple?

Quote: boymimbo

Repatriation of cash was tried before to stir reinvestment, by Bush. It failed. The profits were used to bolster the stock market and didn't result in additional jobs. Given that Amazon is announcing a 50,000 job 2nd HQ (before the tax plan), it should be no surprise that Apple is doing the same. The economy is booming, and has been since 2010, when the Kenyan Muslim socialist dictator was in charge.

And you support the Government deciding to give a tax break of corporations by taxing their repatriated cash at 14% instead of the 35% it was a month ago (or 21% as it is today), saving them billions of dollars (Apple saving 7% of 200 billion in cash pays for 2/3rds of a border wall). You support corporate welfare, especially if you are shareholder, but hey hey, if you give welfare to a poor person who needs it, screw em. Nice values.

And because of the tax bill which has made the tax system territorial, corporations are encouraged to keep their tax havens where they are. Ireland's Tax Rate (which Apple uses as a shelter) is 12.5%, still lower than the US's 20%. There is no reason for Apple to bring that money home, except for the tax holiday that the US proposed. Your story as linked suggests that Apple will use the cash to buy Netflix. How is that possibly good news to anyone?

Don't forget, almost ALL economists have tagged the tax bill bad for the US economy. It increases the debt (by 1.4 trillion over the next 10 years). Most people who were banging Obama around were upset at him for increasing the deficit. Trump does the same and the word of debt and deficit seems to be deleted from the right's vocabulary.

Increased stock prices feed the rich. Who is going to pay off the 21 trillion national debt? The shareholders of Apple?

Will never understand why some liberals hate average Americans who made the SACRIFICE to save and invest getting richer on their investments. Should everyone just count on SS? Don’t answer that, I already know the answer, Government Care, cradle to grave.

I’m middle class and so are most of my friends. And everyone of us owns stocks or mutual funds and is happy with the gains in the last 8 years. Certainly makes thinking about retirement easier. Vanguard and Fidelity both saw record influx of cash from individual investors last year. How is that a bad thing to you?

And I for one have NO issue giving welfare to poor people who need it. But I’m also just as sure you and I would never agree on who “needs” it and who doesn’t. But personal responsibility in life is just too hard of a concept for many liberals. Mirror mirror.