Trump's Final 100 days
Quote: beachbumbabsYeah. I checked my situation with a tax comparison app. I'm going to "save" a whopping $210 next year off of what I would have paid. Big party ahead....
Same here. I used one of those calculators and I will save ~$200 in 2018.
Do the righties really expect me to bow down and kiss Trump's orange ass for less than $10 a paycheck?!
Quote: ams288
Do the righties really expect me to bow down and kiss Trump's orange ass for less than $10 a paycheck?!
No we expect you to kiss him when you get a pay raise next year as the company that you work for will be able to expand, and increase wages. ATT employees are getting a nice surprise this year.
Quote: KeyserNo we expect you to kiss him when you get a pay raise next year as the company that you work for will be able to expand, and increase wages.
I've gotten a pay raise every year since I started working there six years ago. Has nothing to do with Trump...
Now you can expect and even bigger one.
Quote: ams288Do the righties really expect me to bow down and kiss Trump's orange ass for less than $10 a paycheck?!
No, we expect you (general) to continue ranting and raving, as....well.....expected.
Quote: RSNo, we expect you (general) to continue ranting and raving, as....well.....expected.
Will do.
Quote: KeyserNo we expect you to kiss him when you get a pay raise next year as the company that you work for will be able to expand, and increase wages. ATT employees are getting a nice surprise this year.
A one time $1000 bonus is not a pay raise. And it’s a pittance to the extra income the company will have. I’m guessing the remainder will NOT go to employees.
Quote: BozAs always we will disagree on how many of those who get your $210 deserve or need it. But to me many hard working Americans will get and deserve $210, $420 or $840. Because again it was their money to start with.
You believe these hard working people have an obligation to help others. You also believe a person who has found a way to make $1,000,000 though whatever hard work, sacrifice or education commitment they have made deserves to pay 39.6% ( or over $300,000 after deductions) of their income to the “common good”. Why? I would love your answer and will respect your opinion.
Or is it deep down you believe in a “common good” where enough is enough and no one should have much more than another man?
Where does it stop in your world vision? Why would any American working man have a house when people in Africa live in dirt huts? When people in India bath in rivers they also use as toilets? Why should we have Steak houses, or casinos?
You've heard my argument many times. I'm both sorry and not sorry that it's the same one that has come in the past from Obama, Clinton, and other people you despise, but that doesn't invalidate the argument.
You didn't build the roads that bring you customers, the pipes that bring water and electricity to your house and business, the sewers that remove your waste. You don't get rid of your own trash, teach your employees how to read or make change, or print the money you use to value your goods or pay for your life. WE (including you) did. You couldn't afford to do those things in your own, so you pay a share of it, and we all (including you) benefit from it.
Some of it is preventative. Do you want ignorant poor unable to manage themselves lying in the street outside your business? Many of those programs get them turned around, or educated, then working and paying taxes themselves rather than a burden on the state. Some of those people then have the income and the leisure time to become your customers. You invest a little, and later reap the benefits to yourself.
The more you benefit from the environment we provide for you, the more indebted you are to the rest of us. So yes, as you profit more, you should give back more. Then we all rise.
I'm a Republican still because the Democrats still allow for entitlements like welfare and think education should be free. No one is entitled. Everyone should contribute something. Nothing is free. But costs can be proportional to assets, or in-kind options like labor or barter of skills or goods can be of value.
Sorry. My eyes are quitting again, so I'm stopping there. Think I might be going blind. Might be falling on deaf ears, anyway.
Quote: Bozhttps://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/att-trump-corporate-tax-cut-bonus_us_5a3ae007e4b025f99e145c88?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
$1000 to 200,000 hard working people. But the POS at HuffPost see it as a payoff. Obviously they don’t see the good in people. Their fear of this bill working has them so scared they will take any crazy position against it.
Babs, is your party (sorry if your still a GOPer) that against the average American worker?
In the past ten years, ATT has paid taxes at approximately an 8 percent rate, yet shed some 80,000 employees.
This is a stunt designed to appease trump and his ill conceived intrusion into its merger.
According to the great Fox News the tax cuts should really be a boost to the mighty US economy. All ships should rise.
Making America great again!
Quote: beachbumbabsYeah. I checked my situation with a tax comparison app. I'm going to "save" a whopping $210 next year off of what I would have paid. Big party ahead....
In exchange for losing PBS, NPR, Meals on Wheels, Natl Endowment Arts, Head Start, 60 other programs? Valuable and exciting assets to public life, only possible through public support, cheap to the individual when supported through federal grants. My $210 was well spent.
Welcome to a poorer, stupider, drearier America. Unless, of course, you're trying to emigrate here. Then stay out.
Sorry you don't have access to Other People's Money for things that bring you joy. Why don't you and the others who like all that crap take up a collection to keep it going?.🤑
Quote: KeyserAccording to the great Fox News the tax cuts should really be a boost to the mighty US economy. All ships should rise.
Well, Fox News still covers Hillary as if she's President so perhaps you should be thanking her!!
Comcast announced on Wednesday that they will distribute $1,000 bonuses to more than one hundred thousand frontline and non-executive employees and invest more than $50 billion in infrastructure investment over the next several years to celebrate Republicans passing tax reform.
The Boeing Company, America’s largest aerospace firm, tweeted Wednesday that the just passed Tax Cuts and Jobs Act will allow them to spend $300 million on “employee-related and charitable investment.”
Quote: bobbartopPBS and NPR and the National Endowment of the Arts are not valuable and exciting to MY life. I don't care how "cheap". Don't I count?
Is that what the federal government is for? Well? You went to school. Did they teach you that was the proper role of the federal government? What is preventing funding for these from a local government source, or private source?
You want 'em? YOU pay for them.
I thought the righties were about jobs
Take away public funding and you take away jobs
Im sure all those people wotking for NPR etc will cheer your idea that people should pay for their own stuff when they are applying for welfare
#MAGA
Quote: darkozIm sure all those people wotking for NPR etc will cheer your idea that people should pay for their own stuff when they are applying for welfare
Yeah, no...
"While NPR does not receive any direct federal funding, it does receive a small number of competitive grants from CPB and federal agencies like the Department of Education and the Department of Commerce. This funding amounts to approximately 2% of NPR's overall revenues."
2%? They can't make up a lousy 2%
with private funding? Sure they can and
sure they will.
Why should we fund a radio channel to which nobody wants to listen. If people wanted to listen to it, then the general public could handily fund it without the gov hand out. LOL!
Quote: ams288Same here. I used one of those calculators and I will save ~$200 in 2018.
Do the righties really expect me to bow down and kiss Trump's orange ass for less than $10 a paycheck?!
What did the Dems do for you lately???
Unless I missed something you are still free to f another man in the ass. Guess that fear many had sailed.
And you still the right to sue me if I refuse to bake you a cake.
Quote: BozWhat did the Dems do for you lately???
Unless I missed something you are still free to f another man in the ass. Guess that fear many had sailed.
And you still the right to sue me if I refuse to bake you a cake.
Aw, come on, Boz.
PG.
3 days.
Quote: ams288Same here. I used one of those calculators and I will save ~$200 in 2018.
Do the righties really expect me to bow down and kiss Trump's orange ass for less than $10 a paycheck?!
This is PG?
Edit: Didn't realize I had the [b] tag done wrong. Fixed.
Quote: RSQuote: ams288Same here. I used one of those calculators and I will save ~$200 in 2018.
Do the righties really expect me to bow down and [bkiss Trump's orange ass for less than $10 a paycheck?!
This is PG?
Yes.
Trump is Making America Great Again so the ban hammers start flying. Can't let them evil Righties have a peaceful party.
#HYPOCRISY
#DOUBLE STANDARDS
Quote: KeyserNo we expect you to kiss him when you get a pay raise next year as the company that you work for will be able to expand, and increase wages. ATT employees are getting a nice surprise this year.
First off, I hope you enjoyed all the money (140% on the Dow) you earned during Obama's tenure. Or the 11.5 million jobs created. I will credit Trump for not screwing that up - yet.
Except only 14% of CEOs are planning to use their tax savings to grow their company, and I think that was being nice. My $200B company that I work for is not doing anything for us and they are not about to lower prices to its corporate base. Rather they will likely use the saved money to make another acquisition and to take out the competition and synergize with companies using technology. I know that is what my company will likely do.
Knowing the heads of tax of large corporations like I actually do (I actually do work with CFOs and controllers within multinationals), they are likely strategizing how to structure their earnings and expenses to create a situation where they pay the least amount of tax to save a huge line item on its income statement. I sincerely doubt that any CEO is planning any capital expansion, because in 13 months time, there may be a Democrat Senate and Democrat Congress who decides to roll things back the way they were, so any long term plan to invest in its workers and pay them more will only come due to pressures on employment (lack of people) and not because corporate tax rates are lower. Return to shareholders is the number one driver. Goodwill to employees is not a driver at all -- you are dreaming or haven't worked in corporate America if you have.
To me, the highlights of the tax plan are huge breaks to those who don't need them and a higher deficit (at least an additional trillion, by the most conservative estimates). Saving [edit]3,500[/edit] a year on my taxes will not change my vote.
Quote: billryanIn the past ten years, ATT has paid taxes at approximately an 8 percent rate, yet shed some 80,000 employees.
This is a stunt designed to appease trump and his ill conceived intrusion into its merger.
AT&T got 38 billion in tax breaks over the same years which lowers its effective tax rate.
Quote: MaxPenWatch out!!!!!!
Trump is Making America Great Again so the ban hammers start flying. Can't let them evil Righties have a peaceful party.
#HYPOCRISY
#DOUBLE STANDARDS
#Pocahontas
Quote: darkozI thought the righties were about jobs
Take away public funding and you take away jobs
Im sure all those people wotking for NPR etc will cheer your idea that people should pay for their own stuff when they are applying for welfare
I am all about jobs. Everyone should work for the government. No more unemployment.
And raise the minimum wage to $30 an hour. No more poverty.
What would I have done if you had never come along to school me? Thanks, Darkoz.
Quote: MaxPenWow. If you really feel that way about your employer you owe it to yourself to find another source of income. Unless of course you are comfortable selling your soul to the Devil.
All large corporations have tax advisors or in-house teams advising them how to lower their taxes payable, just like they have lawyers advising them on how to lower liability. There is nothing evil in them trying to save money. There is evil in them deciding to honor its shareholders and board over its employees.
And no, I am not looking for another source of income. I understand my market conditions and the value of my work in a global market (my competition is mostly a large workforce in India where I have the advantage of communication skills and understanding standard business practices). Every large corporation behaves the same way. But I'll let you know if my company bumps up my quarterly bonus at the end of January due to the cut. I know, due to their past practices, that the odds of that happening is zero.
I get to work mostly from home (80%) and get paid quite well to do so. My management team is fantastic and they leave me alone. I've considered leaving and have had job offers from other companies, but my working conditions to this point is unbeatable.
Hey, though, I will enjoy the extra $3,500 a year I'l be taking home thanks to the GOP. Hail to the chief!!!
Quote: bobbartopI am all about jobs. Everyone should work for the government. No more unemployment.
And raise the minimum wage to $30 an hour. No more poverty.
What would I have done if you had never come along to school me? Thanks, Darkoz.
You forgot your sarcasm font.
Quote: bobbartopAnd raise the minimum wage to $30 an hour. No more poverty.
Way too low. $50 an hour with a 20% increase
each year. A Big Mac would cost $25 but
the wages would be super high..
Quote: BozUnless I missed something you are still free to f another man in the ass.
I can't think of a thing to say that
won't get me suspended. Oh well...
many of the things in the song Trump
has actually done.
Quote: bobbartopI am all about jobs. Everyone should work for the government. No more unemployment.
And raise the minimum wage to $30 an hour. No more poverty.
What would I have done if you had never come along to school me? Thanks, Darkoz.
Your sarcasm comes from recognizing i am correct. The common refuge when someone is caught out their speechless
Because your argument to cut funding to anything( the arts NPR which was just an example) will cut jobs and righties who claim they are fighting for the middle class are liars if they support people LOSING jobs. ENTER sarcasm!
Personally i am not a dem who wants higher wages. That only leads to higher prices. I actually believe in my own theory i call De-Inflation. Freeze wages at current levels and work to lower prices. When people dream about what they can do with a pay raise its at the current level of market pricing
Ever watch and old old movie and a character complains about paying $.35 for a gallon of gas. You laugh and wish you could pay that? Well you really mean you wish you could pay that while earning your current wages not go back to the wages and costs of yesteryear
I have ideas about how i would go about affecting this. Corporations would make more money while everyone would feel like they got a raise... But im not in politics so guess everyone will just have to get used to current levels of inflation
If the bottom end is not doing well, the upper ends can keep paying more and more 60%, 70% until that is fixed.
That is a fair system.
Quote: RSQuote: ams288Same here. I used one of those calculators and I will save ~$200 in 2018.
Do the righties really expect me to bow down and kiss Trump's orange ass for less than $10 a paycheck?!
This is PG?
Edit: Didn't realize I had the [b tag done wrong. Fixed.
Would it have been less upsetting to you had I said "orange butt" instead?
Quote: ams288Quote: RSQuote: ams288Same here. I used one of those calculators and I will save ~$200 in 2018.
Do the righties really expect me to bow down and kiss Trump's orange ass for less than $10 a paycheck?!
This is PG?
Edit: Didn't realize I had the [b tag done wrong. Fixed.
Would it have been less upsetting to you had I said "orange butt" instead?
I'm not upset. I'd just like clarification on the rules/enforcement every now and then since they're a little fuzzy. Carry on.
Quote: EvenBobThis is from last Xmas, it's amazing how
many of the things in the song Trump
has actually done.
Be prepared for liberals crying and complaining every time Hillary gets brought up. Wait, that already happens. They actually got off quite easy with this election. Had she won, they wouldn't be able to run and hide away saying, "But Hillary isn't president, Trump is! So anything you say about Hillary is moot because she lost" or some other nonsensical line. Meanwhile, all they want is for Trump to fail so they can say "Gotcha!" So much for "nation before party" they think they believe in.
Quote: RSI volunteer myself to serve Boz's suspension.
You can do that without my help. Stop posting for 3 days. It's that simple.
Quote: rxwineI don't define a fair tax rate by percentages. As far as I'm concerned the top 1% could pay nothing as long as the bottom end of the tax payers aren't juggling whether to pay for healthcare or food, or barely making it to the next paycheck. (and I'm talking the working people at the bottom not deadbeats)
If the bottom end is not doing well, the upper ends can keep paying more and more 60%, 70% until that is fixed.
That is a fair system.
Well this is one leftie who has to disagree. The top should pay their FAIR share. If lower classes are having a difficult time that shouldnt be the burden of the rich. The upper class should pay no more than what it takes to help run responsible government. I personally wouldnt want anyone paying over 45 or 48%
In England back in the 80s or 90s they raised taxes on the wealthy to 90% with the end result most wealthy taxpayers moved to other countries. Of course they are the ones who when being slammed by taxes can afford to leave
Most of us will pay less for now, but by 2027, the lower quintile will see a tax increase of $30, the middle quintile will see a tax increase of $20, the top quintile will get a $1,260 tax break, and the 95%-99% quintile will get a $1,010 tax break. Business Insider
By 2027, 13 million will have dropped drop their medical insurance, causing a 10% increase in premiums for most years of the decade. CBO Analysis
What's not to like?
Weren't we supposed to be able to file our taxes on a post card-sized paper because they were going to simplify everything?
Weren't they supposed to eliminate the carried interest loophole?
#winning
Quote: EvenBobI can't think of a thing to say that
won't get me suspended. Oh well...
Quote: ams288
Weren't they supposed to eliminate the carried interest loophole?
The carried interest loophole only benefits the 100 or so ultra wealthy hedge fund managers who donate millions to the Dem Party. Which is one reason why Trump wanted to eliminate it.
"We tried 25 times to eliminate it" Gary Cohn
This time around, they likely bought a few key Republicans who kept it intact.
Special Interests are the fourth branch of government.
Quote: darkoz
Ever watch and old old movie and a character complains about paying $.35 for a gallon of gas. You laugh and wish you could pay that? Well you really mean you wish you could pay that while earning your current wages not go back to the wages and costs of yesteryear
Of course, when gasoline was 35 cents a gallon, the dollar was an ounce of silver. So gas was really over $5 a gallon. Nice try, though.
