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steeldco
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April 29th, 2017 at 12:04:43 PM permalink
First, I know that many may take this thread as my being a smart ass. However, I am being sincere in what I am about to write.

I have, for many years, wondered how A-Holes end up in positions of power. I just couldn't understand how good people end up following such connivers. There are many throughout history. How did they accomplish this? At this point I can only assume it is simply too many people of below average IQ, but yet I can't really buy into that.

We all know that people standing by while being domestically abused are not dumb yet they stay and take it. WTF? Why?
In regards to Trump, why do people just accept his lying to them? Is there some correlation? And yes, I know that I'll get pilloried for even trying to make a connection. Both groups (there are many other groups) of people are getting abused and don't seem to care. After all, who stands by someone continually lying to them? I'd be embarrassed. I would feel that somebody was taking advantage of me.

Just don't get it.
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darkoz
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April 29th, 2017 at 1:30:09 PM permalink
The ability of any con artist to succeed is to convince their marks they are hearing what they want

In trump case if u want a republican scotus then u disregard all the lies and only hear what u want hoping its truthful

Or buildling a wall. Or lowering taxes

Yes he is lying about everything else but he hopefully is telling the truth about what affects me because then i get what i want

In some ways its probably related to a gamblers fallacy. Con man Mark fantasy?
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April 29th, 2017 at 1:39:54 PM permalink
I don't think Trump could have gotten elected at any other time in U.S. history. G.W. Bush was very unpopular for getting us into two wars, among other reasons. That led to what some people perceived as a very progressive president being elected: Obama. The pendulum swung from 8 years of wartime-gung-ho-ism to 8 years of feel-good-social-justice-ism. Now, with Trump, we are seeing the pendulum swing back in the Bush direction, but it's got so much momentum after 16 years that it's flown off the pivot and landed on Trump. My guess is that for 2020, everybody is going to settle the f*** down and we'll have a president who is much more moderate than Trump, Obama, or Bush. I predict it will be a fairly progressive Republican, young, maybe early 40's. Don't know who that could be, though.
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April 29th, 2017 at 1:48:17 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

I don't think Trump could have gotten elected at any other time in U.S. history. G.W. Bush was very unpopular for getting us into two wars, among other reasons. That led to what some people perceived as a very progressive president being elected: Obama. The pendulum swung from 8 years of wartime-gung-ho-ism to 8 years of feel-good-social-justice-ism. Now, with Trump, we are seeing the pendulum swing back in the Bush direction, but it's got so much momentum after 16 years that it's flown off the pivot and landed on Trump. My guess is that for 2020, everybody is going to settle the f*** down and we'll have a president who is much more moderate than Trump, Obama, or Bush. I predict it will be a fairly progressive Republican, young, maybe early 40's. Don't know who that could be, though.



2020? Do you have a Republican BEATING Trump in the Primary? I don't see how that happens.
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April 29th, 2017 at 2:56:07 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

2020? Do you have a Republican BEATING Trump in the Primary? I don't see how that happens.



I don't know.... My main point was with regards to whoever comes after Trump, be it 2020 or 2024.

But I can see another Republican coming up to challenge him in 2020, depending on how his own party views him over the next couple of years. They may throw him under the bus.
RS
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April 29th, 2017 at 3:00:37 PM permalink
Well, what's the alternative? If Hillary got elected, the same thing would hold true -- whoever's in power is lying to the people. I'm not saying all people in power lie and all that stuff, but I think the whole "lesser of two evils" frequently applies.
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mcallister3200
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April 29th, 2017 at 3:11:53 PM permalink
The alternative was not voting for either one of those dipshits and saying no to that nonsense. But if everyone refuses to believe it's an alternative, then its not. There is and was alternatives, but they've trained a bunch of mindless debt slaves that there's no other choices quite well.
steeldco
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April 30th, 2017 at 6:42:52 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

The alternative was not voting for either one of those dipshits and saying no to that nonsense. But if everyone refuses to believe it's an alternative, then its not. There is and was alternatives, but they've trained a bunch of mindless debt slaves that there's no other choices quite well.



This I can agree with. I didn't vote for either one of them. It's a darn shame that we are restricted to only 2 choices that may have a chance at winning. Too often lately I've had to vote for the lesser of the 2 evils rather than for someone that I truly believed in.
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April 30th, 2017 at 7:58:59 AM permalink
I think that Biden would have been the best available Docrat, and would have beaten Trump. He has the authentic working man voice. He's also so honest, he was in trouble as VP several times for telling a bold truth and forcing their hand, most notably on gay rights.

I.think that Kasich was the best available Republican, and would have beaten Clinton also, and he also has an authentic voice. Imo, he's the most likely guy who could beat Trump in 2020 primaries, and i think he's going to run.

For some reason,.people don't want to vote for the logical (in my mind) candidate in the primaries. I guess it's because they need to get the base out there for them at first, then try for the middle in the general. So we get stuck with people who actually only have about 20% support of the entire populace.

Bernie was way far left of Clinton, and damaged her badly in the general because of it, along with forcing the party left of a winning stance (her original platforms had 60-70% support by issue, whether people liked her personally or not: would have made for a pragmatic and workable government ). That, along with her own flaws, and a legacy of right wing hatred, doomed her.

As to gullibility, I have NO idea why anyone ever believed him. We had all the info we needed to know he was a pathological liar and con man long before he even got into the race. And now that they've committed to him, they'd rather double down on lies and alternative facts than admit there's a problem. So I have no idea whether it will ever change.

The real.danger in that area is to normalize the expectations and reactions and not evaluate each fresh lie or deflection on its merits. None of it can be acceptable, from him or any politician or staffer. He gets no pass for quantity or lowered expectations.
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rsactuary
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April 30th, 2017 at 9:42:34 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I think that Biden would have been the best available Docrat, and would have beaten Trump. He has the authentic working man voice. He's also so honest, he was in trouble as VP several times for telling a bold truth and forcing their hand, most notably on gay rights.

I.think that Kasich was the best available Republican, and would have beaten Clinton also, and he also has an authentic voice. Imo, he's the most likely guy who could beat Trump in 2020 primaries, and i think he's going to run.

For some reason,.people don't want to vote for the logical (in my mind) candidate in the primaries. I guess it's because they need to get the base out there for them at first, then try for the middle in the general. So we get stuck with people who actually only have about 20% support of the entire populace.

Bernie was way far left of Clinton, and damaged her badly in the general because of it, along with forcing the party left of a winning stance (her original platforms had 60-70% support by issue, whether people liked her personally or not: would have made for a pragmatic and workable government ). That, along with her own flaws, and a legacy of right wing hatred, doomed her.

As to gullibility, I have NO idea why anyone ever believed him. We had all the info we needed to know he was a pathological liar and con man long before he even got into the race. And now that they've committed to him, they'd rather double down on lies and alternative facts than admit there's a problem. So I have no idea whether it will ever change.

The real.danger in that area is to normalize the expectations and reactions and not evaluate each fresh lie or deflection on its merits. None of it can be acceptable, from him or any politician or staffer. He gets no pass for quantity or lowered expectations.



Post of the year. Right on target.

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