I think the casino music is making me crazy
I'm not a licensed psychologist, but from the way you are describing this, you might have other issues going on.Quote: onenickelmiracleI come into the casino today, the music is blaring so loud. Bass low, but loud. I started getting nervous and couldn't settle down nor concentrate. This casino just drives me crazier by far than any other I've been to. I can't even understand the music most of the time, I latch onto it for a bit then lose it. It gets to me, the feeling I have is like the same feeling I would get if I was being berated. I'm theorizing what the sound system really is doing, The possibilities I gather, they're playing multiple copies of the same music fractions apart and maybe throwing in random noise and sounds. Even in an empty casino with no people, I've felt the same way there when they blared the music loudly, nervous, mentally confused, and agitated.
When the New Orleans casino opened they had some good VP at the bar. Unfortunately, they had a very loud washboard band that played the same stuff over and over. It was torture, a sense of relief came over me whenever they took a break.
P.S. Don't ever visit Hard Rock LV on a weekend.
Same thing at the Emerald island. They play some XM station that just hits my sweet spot.
Yeah you too buddy. Seriously choke on a **** in a **** ****ing contest. How else do you expect me to communicate feelings when it's hard to explain. No wonder they left you stranded.Quote: AxelWolfI'm not a licensed psychologist, but from the way you are describing this, you might have other issues going on.
When the New Orleans casino opened they had some good VP at the bar. Unfortunately, they had a very loud washboard band that played the same stuff over and over. It was torture, a sense of relief came over me whenever they took a break.
P.S. Don't ever visit Hard Rock LV on a weekend.
I did get positive feedback from my acquaintances regarding the noise. They also think it's something unusual to the joint. It's simply put reverb I think, but the effect isn't obvious. I dont really understand what a panic attack, is, but I can say I did panic and I could sense my blood pressure was up. It's just so stupid to have loud music but yet you can't really hear it. The bass might not be there but the treble is at 11.Quote: RSPanic attack?
I apologize if you took offense to what I said. It wasn't meant to be serious, or I wouldn't have followed it up with the bad noise experience I had, or advice not to go to HR on the weekends.
We're even.Quote: AxelWolfonenickelmiracle:
I apologize if you took offense to what I said. It wasn't meant to be serious, or I wouldn't have followed it up with the bad noise experience I had, or advice not to go to HR on the weekends.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI did get positive feedback from my acquaintances regarding the noise. They also think it's something unusual to the joint. It's simply put reverb I think, but the effect isn't obvious. I dont really understand what a panic attack, is, but I can say I did panic and I could sense my blood pressure was up. It's just so stupid to have loud music but yet you can't really hear it. The bass might not be there but the treble is at 11.
http://www.webmd.com/anxiety-panic/features/panic-attack
I'm not sure if I've had one before, I think I have. In my experience of what I think it was.....it basically just comes out of nowhere and something that seems stupid to anyone else can trigger it. I think it's like having a feeling of being trapped and maybe an out of body like experience. And I don't think the same thing will trigger it again necessarily. The weird music may have triggered it....that isn't to say if the weird music thing happens again that you'll get it again. Then again, idk if that was a panic attack (sounds like it though), so who knows for sure.
I always enjoy listening to some oldies from the 50's and 60's, even the 70's. My wife and went to the buffet. When we sat down, I asked her what was the name of the song playing. She said that she didn't know. Neither could I. I asked her to let me know when she recognized any song. She never did. Neither could I.
All the piped in noise was the so called stuff that they pass for music today. Come on, it was "Seniors Day". There wasn't one oldies song. No Beatles, Rolling Stones, Mo-town. Not even an Eagles or Billy Joel song.
I contacted Marketing and made them aware of the problem. They agreed and changed the music.
Gotta love those oldies.
I listen to EDM a lot, but it is annoying when blared in a casino to the point it interferes with one's ability to enjoy the game.
The casinos probably do it "for the kids:" stupid idea.
Whether it did or not, I've no idea but I would not discount the ability of discordant music to do such a thing. After all, there is a reason cruise ships are equipped with noise making weapons to ward off pirate boats that are closing on them.
Now, I can't remember the casino for sure, but I think it was the old Imperial Palace in Biloxi, before it became just the IP, loud and repetitive music. I actually noticed it was affecting me, usually I would not even notice it. Their construction noise was okay with me, but their "entertainment" music was not.
So although a simple panic attack might not be ruled out, don't ignore the music component.
The thing about the music, I just dont understand how the music can be so loud, but you really can't hear it clearly. It's odd how a machine behind you can be so loud, yet the machine you're playing is mute. I think the sound system is advanced for a casino, mainly designed to irritate. People have complained about the noise but they've been ignored. I dont think it adds anything positive to the experience. People might not believe me, but it is in the casino's best interest to make people uncomfortable, because comfortable people don't gamble much. The casino wants to make people uncomfortable so their only comfort comes from the adrenaline obtained from gambling.
I did notice when I peeked out at the sky, I was able to concentrate on it and felt relief from the casino environment. Everyone knows restaurants use music to set moods, slow music to create a sense of elegance at fine restaurants, and fast music to turn tables over faster, but when I suggest the music at a casino is a tool to put people in bad moods, it's not the music, but myself that's the problem. I think it's more a case of others being followers in thought than critical thinkers.
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P.S. Don't ever visit Hard Rock LV on a weekend.
Or the first floor of The D ever, unless that's changed.
Quote: Mission146Or the first floor of The D ever, unless that's changed.
Asked this before, no answer. Any other Vegas casinos to not visit because of the loud music???
Quote: DeMangoAsked this before, no answer. Any other Vegas casinos to not visit because of the loud music???
No but you can use it as a reason to never visit Circus Circus, along with 50 other reasons.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI've heard stories about sound, not sure if they're true. Heard there was a town where most of the people were having difficulty sleeping. A nearby factory was the source of a very loud low frequency noise that couldn't really be consciously heard, and after the machine was fixed, the insomnia went away. Heard a rumor of a technology, a crowd control mechanism where if someone was speaking up, either the persons voice was echoed back to them as they spoke to confuse their thought process or they somehow use the device so they couldn't be heard by negating the sound of their voice.
The thing about the music, I just dont understand how the music can be so loud, but you really can't hear it clearly. It's odd how a machine behind you can be so loud, yet the machine you're playing is mute. I think the sound system is advanced for a casino, mainly designed to irritate. People have complained about the noise but they've been ignored. I dont think it adds anything positive to the experience. People might not believe me, but it is in the casino's best interest to make people uncomfortable, because comfortable people don't gamble much. The casino wants to make people uncomfortable so their only comfort comes from the adrenaline obtained from gambling.
I did notice when I peeked out at the sky, I was able to concentrate on it and felt relief from the casino environment. Everyone knows restaurants use music to set moods, slow music to create a sense of elegance at fine restaurants, and fast music to turn tables over faster, but when I suggest the music at a casino is a tool to put people in bad moods, it's not the music, but myself that's the problem. I think it's more a case of others being followers in thought than critical thinkers.
I don't think you're crazy at all. There's a reason the US used certain tracks of loud obnoxious music 24/7 to smoke out Noriega when he was holed up in Panama. Worked, too.
There's all kinds of conscious and unconscious aural effects, subsonics, discordance, some rhythms, singing flat or sharp, harmonics with building materials, modulation issues. That last one seems closest to the source of your discomfort; the room acoustics and speaker placement are affecting the clarity and you're getting a blurred, noisy mess. Could also be a blown speaker or two putting out distortion and that's mixing with the track in an irritating way.
And could be the echoing someone mentioned relative to where you're playing: too few speakers too far apart, and they crank.up the volume to compensate, and you're in the middle partially hearing both sets at a slightly different interval.
I don't know whether they're intentionally running subliminal messages or tones designed to irritate. I suppose it's possible.
We must have arrived while the band was on a break, the interim music was at a reasonable level. When they started playing again it was impossible to hear our Pai Gow dealer. Wasn't as bad at the Craps tables as they sit out of view of the stage. Most likely a variance attributable to different bands and their equipment. I'm not sure who could tolerate sitting in the lounge while this band was playing but you could surely recognize them from their bleeding earholes.
I think this instance was not a "tactic" of the casino just a good faith effort to add some variety to the atmosphere. I will fault management for not adjusting the level.
never leave home without them. I buy them
by the gross.
Maddening as a dripping faucet though.
Quote: DeMangoAsked this before, no answer. Any other Vegas casinos to not visit because of the loud music???
Golden Gate sometimes
Quote: wudgedGolden Gate sometimes
If you have any business there (free play, free bets, etc.), do them before noon.
Added, I apparently never mentioned ringing ears. Wondering if this noise is always there, or just when I shut the volume down by muting it. Really not muting, but pausing usually.
If they played Mozart they'd go out of business.
Just a certain music is used to attract people, it can also be used to drive others away. Classical music is very effective for scattering the unwanted. The Port Authority used it here in NY when loitering teens became a problem in their station, and McDonald's has used it because "It encourages more acceptable behavior."
Quote: TankoThe purpose of that discordant music is to encourage reckless behavior.
If they played Mozart they'd go out of business.
Just a certain music is used to attract people, it can also be used to drive others away. Classical music is very effective for scattering the unwanted. The Port Authority used it here in NY when loitering teens became a problem in their station, and McDonald's has used it because "It encourages more acceptable behavior."
Lol! Hadn't heard they were doing this. I voluntarily listen to classical fairly often. Didn't enjoy it much until I spent a year as the Minnetonka Orchestra stage manager, (age 22) and then really started paying attention. It's underappreciated, I think. Except for modernists like Phillip Glass. Too discordant for me.
The slicker ones become U. S. Presidents.
An easy way to tell if you've been in a casino too long (or too often) is when you know the order of their music playlist. I actually worked with two dealers who'd plan their breaks appropriately, so they'd be on break during a certain song they hated would be playing. Lots of dealers would plan with other dealers on when to take their breaks so they could be on break at the same time.....which would cause drama from time to time (ie: someone started later or earlier than normal).
Normal casino music usually doesn't bother me. The D or any particularly loud casino is bothersome, though. Also if there's an exceptionally loud live "band" playing and the best/only machine to play is right near the "band". :(
Quote: onenickelmiracleI did get positive feedback from my acquaintances regarding the noise. They also think it's something unusual to the joint. It's simply put reverb I think, but the effect isn't obvious. I dont really understand what a panic attack, is, but I can say I did panic and I could sense my blood pressure was up. It's just so stupid to have loud music but yet you can't really hear it. The bass might not be there but the treble is at 11.
There are plenty of emotional responses to music. And there are plenty of responses to being in a stressful environment. Both can evoke physical responses. For example, I would always have to poop just before I went into Fallsview or Niagara (do not get the same response here). And once I had an kind of attack like a panic attack at a VP machine where I just started to feel my heart beat out of my chest.
Casinos play music to attract and keep clintele staying. They might tend to go to oldies or 80s music during the day and switch to more up-to-date during the night. Some will do the loud music/reverb thing because they believe that their clientele likes it. I would say that the music being played is key to one's casino experience, especially if you are actually there for entertainment.
Panic disorder and anxiety, contrary to popular belief, reacts very well to treatment (and not just prescribed drugs and/or alcohol).
I had a nervous breakdown because of that job and ended up going to the ER (without health insurance, either. I'm still dealing with the bills). I got prescribed a benzo, which is very similar to what alcohol does to your system.
I'm not a mental health professional, and I don't want to promote dependence on alcohol, but this is my 2 cents.
Also: All that artificial light at the casino and staring at what is essentially a computer screen has been shown to be not-that-great for one's mental health and natural body chemical regulation
I think she mentioned that her friends thought she was just DANCING to the music which makes it even worse.
I basically independently came to the same conclusion a little money spent on alcohol is a good investment. Agreed.Quote: Dyvan13If you have a panic attack, down a few beers. That will mellow you out and calm the uneasy thoughts. I had a very stressful job in the past that caused panic attacks. A couple beers or a glass or two of wine did me well. When I quit that job, 70% of my symptoms vanished overnight. Also, make note of what situations cause them and avoid those situations. If it persists and really affects the quality of your life, you may want to see a doctor.
Panic disorder and anxiety, contrary to popular belief, reacts very well to treatment (and not just prescribed drugs and/or alcohol).
I had a nervous breakdown because of that job and ended up going to the ER (without health insurance, either. I'm still dealing with the bills). I got prescribed a benzo, which is very similar to what alcohol does to your system.
I'm not a mental health professional, and I don't want to promote dependence on alcohol, but this is my 2 cents.
Also: All that artificial light at the casino and staring at what is essentially a computer screen has been shown to be not-that-great for one's mental health and natural body chemical regulation
I have a driver, so no worries about drinking and driving.
Main thing about the music and machine noise, to reiterate another way how it was, kind of like 4 people talking to you at once. I rarely notice it anymore, the problem has gone away for now.Quote: boymimboThere are plenty of emotional responses to music. And there are plenty of responses to being in a stressful environment. Both can evoke physical responses. For example, I would always have to poop just before I went into Fallsview or Niagara (do not get the same response here). And once I had an kind of attack like a panic attack at a VP machine where I just started to feel my heart beat out of my chest.
Casinos play music to attract and keep clintele staying. They might tend to go to oldies or 80s music during the day and switch to more up-to-date during the night. Some will do the loud music/reverb thing because they believe that their clientele likes it. I would say that the music being played is key to one's casino experience, especially if you are actually there for entertainment.
Quote: RSIt's almost like saying, "Omg, you drink WATER? Hitler also drank water!!!"
just for the record, he was a vegetarian and a non-smoker.
and an 'antivivisectionist' , the modern version of which is basically your animal rights freak
Quote: boymimboThere are plenty of emotional responses to music. ... Casinos play music to attract and keep clintele staying. They might tend to go to oldies or 80s music during the day and switch to more up-to-date during the night. Some will do the loud music/reverb thing because they believe that their clientele likes it. I would say that the music being played is key to one's casino experience, especially if you are actually there for entertainment.
When the former Isle Casino in Biloxi was renovated and renamed the Golden Nugget Casino a few years ago, the new owner mandated the music be extra loud. Couldn't hear the stick call your dice roll. Instructions for your craps bets often had to be repeated (or shouted). Couldn't carry on a conversation with other players at the table. Staff said, "The new owner requires the music be at this level. We don't like it either." IMHO, music as done by the GN is not a "key to one's casino experience," especially when you also add in the cacophony from all the slot machines, each trying to be louder than the next. Folks must'a marched to other casinos, because the music at GN is better now.
I often notice the volume level of music in casinos, and it appears to me casinos frequently increase the volume when the casino is busy, such as on weekends or holidays. Reasonable, if not overdone. Very seldom do I hear some (often younger) player lament not having the "loud music/reverb thing," and when it occurs I cannot help but wonder if those folks have damaged their hearing from an earlier diet of music at far too loud a volume. If you want to listen to music, why put up with all the noise pollution from slots and the increasingly loud banter from drunk players? Casinos have stand-alone bars and live theaters for folks who want "loud" entertainment.
If the music gets overly loud, I often join other players with complaints about the music volume. In extreme cases, I will get the pit to summon the game floor director (or whoever draws the short straw in the executive offices) to discuss the "music" problem with me. I did this one time at the IP Casino. The Table Games Director tried to hold his ground until I pointed out that we were speaking face-to-face and could not use our "inside" voices to carry on our conversation. Music on the gaming floor should be "reasonable," not too loud and not too soft.
Quote: onenickelmiracle... the music is so loud...
Amen to that! I've had casino managers assert that the music has to be loud so people can hear it over all the competing noise from each and every slot machine. They never seem to worry about OSHA calling them out on the workplace noise level suffered by all the casino employees.
I play a lot of table games and enjoy talking to the Dealer and other players. Sometimes the music is so loud you cannot hear the stick-man call out the roll. And, perish the thought that you wanted to say something to one of the other players. Impossible!
There is a smart-phone app that will measure decibel noise levels. Not sure why folks don't use it to record casino noise levels. (I know that's what I'll do if I ever get a real smart phone...)
