Hillary Clinton

One of the great accomplishments that Hillary Clinton hoped to achieve in her campaign was self-serving: elevating a woman (herself) to position of commander in chief. I say that the great accomplishment isn't elevating a woman to that position, but the right of a women to run for that position. And women have had that right for what, decades?

Margaret Thatcher was prime minister decades ago. Cleopatra ruled centuries ago. Nice try Hillary. I remember her actually saying something to the effect that there would be a special place in Hell for women that did not support her (because she's a woman) in the election. I could not believe it.

So after we have a woman as president, what's next? A Jew, a transgender, a Latino.

Are we to always strive to achieve the inclusion of the next group on the list that has been overlooked?

It is all very demeaning. Our first goal should be now and always qualification.

RS thinks it is going to be

Ivanka Trump 2040 for the win.

Quote: Greasyjohn

It is all very demeaning. Our first goal should be now and always qualification.

Debate wise she beat Trump 3 times.

America likes sequels, but not bad sequels. We tried GW. America liked 3-d, but the novelty wore off voting for someone bc they wanted to prove they're not racists or sexist. It was a blockbuster they spent millions on, but America wanted to see an independent film.

Thanks for sharing.

Quote: Greasyjohn

One of the great accomplishments that Hillary Clinton hoped to achieve in her campaign was self-serving: elevating a woman (herself) to position of commander in chief. I say that the great accomplishment isn't elevating a woman to that position, but the right of a women to run for that position. And women have had that right for what, decades?

Margaret Thatcher was prime minister decades ago. Cleopatra ruled centuries ago. Nice try Hillary. I remember her actually saying something to the effect that there would be a special place in Hell for women that did not support her (because she's a woman) in the election. I could not believe it.

So after we have a woman as president, what's next? A Jew, a transgender, a Latino.

Are we to always strive to achieve the inclusion of the next group on the list that has been overlooked?

It is all very demeaning. Our first goal should be now and always qualification.

Hillary was more qualified than anyone who has ever run, and Trump was least qualified. That turned out not to matter. I don't know how much of the result was innate sexism, or racist backlash against being forced to live under Obama for 8 years, but she lost because she didn't resonate with voters, not because she was unqualified. And Trump won because he *did* resonate with voters, not because he was qualified. We've had qualified Jewish and Latino candidates run for the presidency before, and many of both groups serve in federal and state politics. I just looked, there are 10 Jews and 3 Latinos currently in the U.S. Senate (though that may have changed yesterday, I didn't check). But it's not a checklist. I agree that it should be about qualification and ability to execute rather than ethnic groups or whatnot, but this time around people were too angry about their problems to care about qualifications, and the guy stoking that anger was blaming ethnic groups for those problems. So in hindsight, it's pretty clear why qualifications got swept under the rug.

Hillary was more qualified than Obama, yet she could not even gain the nomination of her own party in 2008.

As ME said about this election, she did not resonate with the voters then. I won't say there was "no" sexism involved then or now, just as I won't say that there was "no" racism then when Obama was running. I just think that it can be put forward as too large of a reason/excuse in many cases. The real reason is how a candidate connects with the voters--across a wide swath of people; not just one group--and Hillary simply has not done it at the national level.

On qualifications, she should easily have won just as Trump and Obama should have just as handily lost. Her history, distrust in her as a politician, and her failure to bring a message of hope to enough voters, among other things, doomed her. Do people trust Trump? Not all that much, overall. I think, for whatever reason, distrust of things that happened while in the political arena plays heavier than distrust involving issues outside that arena.

It was Hillary's election to win, just as 2008 was hers to win. She just doesn't fire up enough people--including what you could call her own "basket of deplorables" (a totally stupid statement used here in jest but describing the groups on her side that are not thought of highly by everyone...but are Americans and voters nonetheless)--to win the Presidency. Trump was a bad enough candidate that she had a real shot at it.

Obviously some people didn't vote for her because she's a woman, though I've very rarely heard anybody take such a position, while I've heard a lot of racism against Obama.

I'd wager that more people voted for her because of her gender than voted against her because of it. I've seen countless people say that this was a central reason for their support of her. Though, admittedly, very few of those people would have supported Palin.

I think very few people would be willing to cross party or ideological lines just because of gender.

I hate all politicians and do not think they represent the people like Paul Ryan said. If that can't be changed nothing matters. Washington D.C. has become too fat and powerful.

Quote: Greasyjohn

So after we have a woman as president, what's next? A Jew, a transgender, a Latino.

What's next? A Jew. In 2020.

Quote: Greasyjohn

One of the great accomplishments that Hillary Clinton hoped to achieve in her campaign was self-serving: elevating a woman (herself) to position of commander in chief. I say that the great accomplishment isn't elevating a woman to that position, but the right of a women to run for that position. And women have had that right for what, decades?

Margaret Thatcher was prime minister decades ago. Cleopatra ruled centuries ago. Nice try Hillary. I remember her actually saying something to the effect that there would be a special place in Hell for women that did not support her (because she's a woman) in the election. I could not believe it.

So after we have a woman as president, what's next? A Jew, a transgender, a Latino.

Are we to always strive to achieve the inclusion of the next group on the list that has been overlooked?

It is all very demeaning. Our first goal should be now and always qualification.

Thank god we Trumped the first lesbian president. She should just come out now and support the GLTB community.

Quote: Rigondeaux

Obviously some people didn't vote for her because she's a woman, though I've very rarely heard anybody take such a position, while I've heard a lot of racism against Obama.

I'd wager that more people voted for her because of her gender than voted against her because of it. I've seen countless people say that this was a central reason for their support of her. Though, admittedly, very few of those people would have supported Palin.

I think very few people would be willing to cross party or ideological lines just because of gender.

Although she won't admit it I think that BBB was rooting for Hillary mainly because Hillary was a "female" . Dam feminist (-;

Quote: ams288

What's next? A Jew. In 2020.

I could never understand why people hate Jews so much. (NOT saying you do)

Quote: AxelWolf

I could never understand why people hate Jews so much. (NOT saying you do)

I don't understand it either.... lots of the Pepe the Frog people on Twitter really seem to hate them, though.

Quote: MathExtremist

Hillary was more qualified than anyone who has ever run, and Trump was least qualified. That turned out not to matter. I don't know how much of the result was innate sexism, or racist backlash against being forced to live under Obama for 8 years, but she lost because she didn't resonate with voters, not because she was unqualified. And Trump won because he *did* resonate with voters, not because he was qualified. We've had qualified Jewish and Latino candidates run for the presidency before, and many of both groups serve in federal and state politics. I just looked, there are 10 Jews and 3 Latinos currently in the U.S. Senate (though that may have changed yesterday, I didn't check). But it's not a checklist. I agree that it should be about qualification and ability to execute rather than ethnic groups or whatnot, but this time around people were too angry about their problems to care about qualifications, and the guy stoking that anger was blaming ethnic groups for those problems. So in hindsight, it's pretty clear why qualifications got swept under the rug.

The smartest man (or woman) in the room telling it like it is. Telling us his opinion as fact. Perhaps you and Garrison should hang out. You seem to share the same dislike of others you think you are better than. And you never ever forget to suggest the rest of us are stupid racist hicks that need you to explain things to us. Perhaps you should stick with numbers because I hope you do better with them than you do with seeing how the country really works.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-voters-will-not-like-what-happens-next/2016/11/09/e346ffc2-a67f-11e6-8fc0-7be8f848c492_story.html

Quote: AxelWolf

I could never understand why people hate Jews so much. (NOT saying you do)

The funny thing is we almost did. Bernie sanders is jewish

Quote: ams288

What's next? A Jew. In 2020.

Is Donald Trump Jewish?

Quote: RS

Is Donald Trump Jewish?

Heck no. A large chunk of his supporters wouldn't have voted for him if he was...

Quote: ams288

Heck no. A large chunk of his supporters wouldn't have voted for him if he was...

What percentage do you consider a large chunk?

Quote: Greasyjohn

I remember her actually saying something to the effect that there would be a special place in Hell for women that did not support her (because she's a woman) in the election. I could not believe it.

You were probably watching Madeleine Albright at the time.

Quote: Boz

What percentage do you consider a large chunk?

At least half. Hillary would have defeated Cruz if the Donald was Jewish.

Quote: Boz

What percentage do you consider a large chunk?

I'm not sure exactly.

What percentage of his supporters admire Pepe the Frog?

Same number.

Quote: ams288

I'm not sure exactly.

What percentage of his supporters admire Pepe the Frog?

Same number.

General guess? I would disagree with large chunk and I think that is part of the problem Dems have. They can't seem to grasp that there are normal working class white people out there that feel like they are forgotten. That doesn't make them racist. It is no different than someone thinking most blacks are lazy, thugs or criminals.

Generalization doesn't help anyone.

Quote: Boz

General guess? I would disagree with large chunk and I think that is part of the problem Dems have. They can't seem to grasp that there are normal working class white people out there that feel like they are forgotten. That doesn't make them racist. It is no different than someone thinking most blacks are lazy, thugs or criminals.

Generalization doesn't help anyone.

Heck, 5% would still be a large chunk.

60,000,000 * .05 = 3,000,000

After the nasty campaign we've been through with people obsessed with Pepe the Frog, "take them to the oven" memes, etc., to try to deny that a disproportionate amount of anti-Semites supported Trump compared to a regular Republican candidate would be insane.

I do believe Hillary helped women in their pursuit of equality.

Her sex was not an issue in the campaign. People looked at her character, record, and policy proposals.

Women know they must compete in the arena of ideas to win.

Quote: AxelWolf

Although she won't admit it I think that BBB was rooting for Hillary mainly because Hillary was a "female" . Dam feminist (-;

You.thought wrong.

Quote: AxelWolf

Although she won't admit it I think that BBB was rooting for Hillary mainly because Hillary was a "female" . Dam feminist (-;

I've read a lot of BBB views
I think BBB, me(terapined) and Arianna Huffington and many others come from the same place. Past republicans
We used to be Republicans because the party was for a strong defense and smart Govt spending giving us low taxes
I never voted for Bill Clinton

What drove many Republicans to the Dem side is
Bushes spending too much/ gay hated/anti abortion/not believing scientists regarding the climate/immigrants hated/Muslims hated
I am still a registered Republican but now vote independent or Dem

Hillary lost because she was a terrible choice to begin with for president

If she "lost" to Trump in all three debates, I wouldn't want to win debates either based on the end result.

If being a woman makes you president, I guess his title should be Mz President Donald J Trump

The only people who care that Hillary was a woman were the people who voted for her, not the people who didn't. And unfortunately for her, she didn't have enough sexists on her side.

The only people who cared that Trump was a white male where the people who didn't vote for him, and fortunately for Trump, there weren't enough of those racists either.

Quote: terapined

I've read a lot of BBB views
I think BBB, me(terapined) and Arianna Huffington and many others come from the same place. Past republicans
We used to be Republicans because the party was for a strong defense and smart Govt spending giving us low taxes
I never voted for Bill Clinton

What drove many Republicans to the Dem side is
Bushes spending too much/ gay hated/anti abortion/not believing scientists regarding the climate/immigrants hated/Muslims hated
I am still a registered Republican but now vote independent or Dem

Much closer to correct. I vote based on policy goals and ideology, not on gender or race. Fiscal conservancy. Socially progressive. My party left me (and many others) starting with the Reagan era and the intrusion/inclusion of repressive religious policy. The more the party chose to alienate and exclude, the less I agreed with them.

Hillary mirrored most closely my stances. Trump by far the least. So I voted for her, as did a majority of the country.

Quote: Maverick17

Hillary lost because she was a terrible choice to begin with for president

If she "lost" to Trump in all three debates, I wouldn't want to win debates either based on the end result.

If being a woman makes you president, I guess his title should be Mz President Donald J Trump

The only people who care that Hillary was a woman were the people who voted for her, not the people who didn't. And unfortunately for her, she didn't have enough sexists on her side.

The only people who cared that Trump was a white male where the people who didn't vote for him, and fortunately for Trump, there weren't enough of those racists either.

This is pretty much a complete 180 of the truth. There were many people who didn't care. There were many more that did, either as a factor, or as the defining point in their vote, on both sides. Thousands of interviews, millions of tweets and FB posts that show it.

Quote: Boz

The smartest man (or woman) in the room telling it like it is. Telling us his opinion as fact. Perhaps you and Garrison should hang out. You seem to share the same dislike of others you think you are better than. And you never ever forget to suggest the rest of us are stupid racist hicks that need you to explain things to us. Perhaps you should stick with numbers because I hope you do better with them than you do with seeing how the country really works.

We just endured 18 months of the smartest man in the room with "the best brain" telling it like it is, telling us his opinion as fact. Millions of people believed Trump when he said the reason they don't have jobs is because there's no wall to keep out the Mexicans. He is provably wrong, but there is such a bias right now in this country toward simple answers for complicated problems that millions of people voted for Trump when he said it, and ignored Hillary when she said "it's more complicated." And Trump not only suggested that some of his supporters are stupid racist hicks, he specifically pandered to them by retweeting racist memes, claiming ignorance of the KKK, and saying -- and I quote -- "I love the poorly educated."

I don't know if you're a racist, or if you're a hick, or even if you're stupid. But you seem to think I think you are. Here's the real truth. I think that if you can't draw a distinction between honest, hard-working people who have been left behind by decades of deregulation and a collapse of the social safety net, and ignorant, white supremacist bigots, then you're in no position to criticize anyone else for "seeing how the country really works." I know how this country really works, and I know that millions of Americans who didn't deserve to get left behind in the first place were just bamboozled into electing someone who made his fortune by -- you guessed it -- leaving the middle class behind. AZDuffman says education turns people into liberals. Well, lack of education makes you more liable to be taken advantage of by selfish rich people who want to get richer at your expense. You tell me which is preferable. Go ahead and think Trump has the best interests of the middle class at heart. I'll believe it when I see it.

Quote: beachbumbabs

millions of tweets and FB posts that show it.

Show what?

When I read a post that states anyone who voted for Donald Trump is a racist/sexist/whatever does that make it true?

NOPE

Typically it makes the opposite true. Just because one votes for a particular person because they are sexist, or because they vote for someone because they dislike the opponents race does not mean the opposition feels the same way, only reverse. It simply means that person is racist, and sexist.

Race baiters are racist, simple as that.

If one hates a penis, they are sexist, it's pretty much the definition of it.

Quote: Maverick17

Show what?

When I read a post that states anyone who voted for Donald Trump is a racist/sexist/whatever does that make it true?

NOPE

Typically it makes the opposite true. Just because one votes for a particular person because they are sexist, or because they vote for someone because they dislike the opponents race does not mean the opposition feels the same way, only reverse. It simply means that person is racist, and sexist.

Race baiters are racist, simple as that.

If one hates a penis, they are sexist, it's pretty much the definition of it.

Show that her as a woman and him as a white male was a factor, some the deciding factor, in their decision, for some on both sides. Don't truncate my posts then argue about something I didn't say.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Show that her as a woman and him as a white male was a factor, some the deciding factor, in their decision, for some on both sides. Don't truncate my posts then argue about something I didn't say.

ok

Quote: beachbumbabs

This is pretty much a complete 180 of the truth. There were many people who didn't care. There were many more that did, either as a factor, or as the defining point in their vote, on both sides. Thousands of interviews, millions of tweets and FB posts that show it.

can I bold?

At worst my post was a complete 360 of the truth.

But it wasn't, it was simply, the truth.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Show that her as a woman and him as a white male was a factor, some the deciding factor, in their decision, for some on both sides. Don't truncate my posts then argue about something I didn't say.

millions of tweets and facebook posts prove what now?

Quote: beachbumbabs

Show that her as a woman and him as a white male was a factor, some the deciding factor, in their decision, for some on both sides. Don't truncate my posts then argue about something I didn't say.

I think more voted for Hillary because she's a woman (debatable, some say she's a reptilian. Thoughts, MaxPen?) than those who voted for Trump because he's a man.

8 years ago especially, how many voted for Obama because he's black vs McCain because he's white? Same with Romney & Obama 4 years ago (although to a lesser degree, since the "black man in the White House, so coolz!" wasn't all the hype anymore).

Quote: MathExtremist

. Go ahead and think Trump has the best interests of the middle class at heart. I'll believe it when I see it.

And you think Obama did or Hillary did??

Obama had his first 2 years to help the middle class. Instead he was biggest concern was passing a Health Care bill that may have helped the so called "working poor" but has hurt millions of middle class Americans. Nothing he did helped the minimum class, instead he was worried about punishing the upper middle class and again the so called "rich" with tax increases. The debt he added will again only hurt future generations of the middle class. He had 2 years when all the GOP could do was complain, not put up much resistance, but he wasted it.

Trump has 2 and probably 4 years based on the 2018 map to get things done for the middle class. I for one believe he will try. I do hope you get to see it. Perhaps even with all the education you seem to let us know about all the time, you learned enough to admit it when you see it happening. Probably a bad bet on my part. Instead we will hear stories from the HP and other fringe outlets showing the people left behind.

You may be a smart numbers guy as many are on here including the Wizard. The difference is he never says he is better than other people. Your right, your option, just don't think we have to respect you for it.

You education rant is what I believe about liberals. They are either dumb stupid government dependents who are fearful of having to be held responsible for their actions and life choices. Or they are elitists who think they are special and the average person could never do what they did in life and those people will never make it without the elitists help.

Quote: RS

I think more voted for Hillary because she's a woman (debatable, some say she's a reptilian. Thoughts, MaxPen?) than those who voted for Trump because he's a man.

It is debateable
In the deep South their remains some discrimination against woman
My female friend in southern rural Virginia by TN had a chimmney fire
Called the fire dept
They put it out but
Refused to discuss the situation with her because she is a woman
Her male neighbor was right there and the fireman would only talk to him
Just an ancedote but she sees thar attitude a lot in the deep South

Quote: Maverick17

Quote: beachbumbabs

Show that her as a woman and him as a white male was a factor, some the deciding factor, in their decision, for some on both sides. Don't truncate my posts then argue about something I didn't say.

ok

Quote: beachbumbabs

This is pretty much a complete 180 of the truth. There were many people who didn't care. There were many more that did, either as a factor, or as the defining point in their vote, on both sides. Thousands of interviews, millions of tweets and FB posts that show it.

can I bold?

At worst my post was a complete 360 of the truth.

But it wasn't, it was simply, the truth.

A 180 is a reversal, a u turn. A 360 is a full spin back to the direction you were heading. You took what I said, reversed it, then argued about it. A 180. Nowhere did you find truth.

Quote: RS

I think more voted for Hillary because she's a woman (debatable, some say she's a reptilian. Thoughts, MaxPen?) than those who voted for Trump because he's a man.

8 years ago especially, how many voted for Obama because he's black vs McCain because he's white? Same with Romney & Obama 4 years ago (although to a lesser degree, since the "black man in the White House, so coolz!" wasn't all the hype anymore).

You haven't lived in the South much if at all, to not know how this works. Apparently Maverick17 hasn't either.

Quote: terapined

It is debateable
In the deep South their remains some discrimination against woman
My female friend in southern rural Virginia by TN had a chimmney fire
Called the fire dept
They put it out but
Refused to discuss the situation with her because she is a woman
Her male neighbor was right there and the fireman would only talk to him
Just an ancedote but she sees thar attitude a lot in the deep South

And do you know how many hippies and far-left they are in California?

I know people in CA who make their own soap because of some PETA nonsense. They don't use tooth brushes to brush their teeth but they throw coconut paste/oil in their mouth and swoosh it around. They don't buy certain water because of some drought but too stupid to realize almond milk is like 1000x worse. They read websites like the onion and think that's actually news. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

I've lived in California and dealt with these people day in and day out. The ignorance and stupidity is well beyond reason for many of them. But, many are fairly normal people with either similar or differing views than me, though.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Quote: Maverick17

Quote: beachbumbabs

Show that her as a woman and him as a white male was a factor, some the deciding factor, in their decision, for some on both sides. Don't truncate my posts then argue about something I didn't say.

ok

Quote: beachbumbabs

This is pretty much a complete 180 of the truth. There were many people who didn't care. There were many more that did, either as a factor, or as the defining point in their vote, on both sides. Thousands of interviews, millions of tweets and FB posts that show it.

can I bold?

At worst my post was a complete 360 of the truth.

But it wasn't, it was simply, the truth.

A 180 is a reversal, a u turn. A 360 is a full spin back to the direction you were heading. You took what I said, reversed it, then argued about it. A 180. Nowhere did you find truth.

Are you kidding?

You took what I said, reversed it, then argued about it.

My 180 vs 360 comment was more about how your own posts proved me right, and at worst we were both wrong (think more of a 360 degree view idea vs how many degrees are in a circle).

No one voted for Trump because he was a male. No one didn't vote for Hillary because she was a female.

Millions of people voted for Hillary because she was a woman. Millions didn't vote for Trump because he was white.

("no one" in the universal sense of the word, I'm sure there is an outlier somewhere)

That one would vote for someone simply because of their sex, or race, or not vote for someone because of their sex or race, makes that person a racist and/or sexist.

Racism and sexism is not a one way street, as much as a "progressive" would want you to believe it is.

Quote: beachbumbabs

You haven't lived in the South much if at all, to not know how this works. Apparently Maverick17 hasn't either.

I'm not sure what exactly is defined as "the south" or the areas where this may be common, but I'd think if we compare voters in CA, WA, & OR vs "the south", we'd have an idea of the difference or possible difference.


How common is it in the south, anyway? Compared to CA's hippy-invasion, that is.

Quote: beachbumbabs

You haven't lived in the South much if at all, to not know how this works. Apparently Maverick17 hasn't either.

wrong.

and what difference does it make? sounds like you did grow up in the south, or read books about the south, did that make you racist, sexist, or both?

Quote: MathExtremist

Hillary was more qualified than anyone who has ever run, and Trump was least qualified.

Hillary most qualified ever? That has to be either a joke or trolling as no serious person could believe this. Ditto with Trump least.

Hillary was average qualifications at best. Probably below average, but I will be nice.

Quote: AxelWolf

I could never understand why people hate Jews so much. (NOT saying you do)

It is a jealousy thing. While not all Jews are successful in life, they do way better than average. Why did the population believe Hitler when he said Jews controlled the economy? Because they looked at all of their bankers and shopkeepers and saw they were Jews. Some people also thing they are klannish, not mixing with outsiders. This also is a little true, less so than 50 years ago. But Jews were excluded from many mainstream places, like country clubs or other social clubs. So they socialized together. Self-fulfilling.

Society hates successful people. Bernie Sanders ran against success. OWS hated success. Someone makes a lot of money and the cry goes they somehow stole it from everyone else.

What is everybody's thought on why Hillary didn't give a public concession speech early Wednesday morning? Her campaign manager said at 2:03am that they would wait for votes to be counted and not have any comments. At 2:30am Hillary calls Trump to concede. My suspicion is that she did not prepare a concession speech because everybody expected her to win.

Quote: Boz

You may be a smart numbers guy as many are on here including the Wizard. The difference is he never says he is better than other people. Your right, your option, just don't think we have to respect you for it.

I spend dozens of posts railing against racism and bigotry and ignorance and the apathy the current political class has shown toward millions of left-behind working Americans, and your takeaway is, somewhere in there, that I said I'm better than you?

Not once have I ever said I'm better than you. But you know what? If you're an ignorant racist who thinks real white Americans need to take the country back from the African Americans, the Muslims, the Jews, the women, and the Latinos, then yes, I am absolutely a better person than you. It's your prerogative if you hate your fellow citizens because they were born with a different genetic code, or because they believe differently about an invisible deity, but I will never hesitate to call that stupid because it is stupid. Regardless of whether you believe in new-Earth Genesis or Darwinian evolution, all of humanity started in the same spot on the planet. Call it East Africa, call it the Garden of Eden, it doesn't matter. We all have common ancestors, whether that's Lucy or Abraham. It is absolutely stupid to judge someone based on the color of their skin rather than the content of their character.

And if you're not an ignorant racist, you should feel the same way as I do. You should feel the peril that millions of Americans felt late Tuesday night when Trump was elected. You should feel the fear that Muslim Americans or Hispanic Americans felt when Trump threatened to turn the great machine of the federal government against them, the same machine they helped to build. You should feel the disgust that millions of God-fearing Christians across this nation felt when someone who brags about sexual assault was elevated to the highest office in the land.

You don't have to feel those things, but millions of Americans do. It is unwise to so readily dismiss those feelings, even if you're angry about the plight of the economically left-behind blue collar worker. As Bernie Sanders said today: "If Donald Trump takes people's anger and turns it against Muslims, Hispanics, African Americans and women, we will be his worst nightmare."

Quote: Boz

You education rant is what I believe about liberals. They are either dumb stupid government dependents who are fearful of having to be held responsible for their actions and life choices.

Now who's saying they're better? Sheesh. You make it clear that you think you're better than millions of Americans who think it's preferable to work together as a society than to let the unlucky fail, even though they're unlucky through no fault of their own, but through the deliberate malfeasance of the moneyed class. Yet you elected a member of that moneyed class to lead you. Toward what, further failure and economic segregation?

I will never be ashamed to hold a mirror up to hatred or hypocrisy. If you see yourself in that mirror, only you can change it.

Quote: Aaron Sorkin's letter to his 15-year-old daughter

We do what we can to fight injustice anywhere we see it—whether it’s writing a check or rolling up our sleeves. Our family is fairly insulated from the effects of a Trump presidency so we fight for the families that aren’t. We fight for a woman to keep her right to choose. We fight for the First Amendment and we fight mostly for equality—not for a guarantee of equal outcomes but for equal opportunities. We stand up.

America didn’t stop being America last night and we didn’t stop being Americans and here’s the thing about Americans: Our darkest days have always—always—been followed by our finest hours.

Roxy, I know my predictions have let you down in the past, but personally, I don’t think this guy can make it a year without committing an impeachable crime. If he does manage to be a douche nozzle without breaking the law for four years, we’ll make it through those four years. And three years from now we’ll fight like hell for our candidate and we’ll win and they’ll lose and this time they’ll lose for good. Honey, it’ll be your first vote.

The battle isn’t over, it’s just begun. Grandpa fought in World War II and when he came home this country handed him an opportunity to make a great life for his family. I will not hand his granddaughter a country shaped by hateful and stupid men. Your tears last night woke me up, and I’ll never go to sleep on you again.

I likewise will not hand my daughter a country shaped by hateful and stupid men. We The People are better than that. We must be, or the great American experiment will have failed.

Quote: DRich

What is everybody's thought on why Hillary didn't give a public concession speech early Wednesday morning? Her campaign manager said at 2:03am that they would wait for votes to be counted and not have any comments. At 2:30am Hillary calls Trump to concede. My suspicion is that she did not prepare a concession speech because everybody expected her to win.

Or because she is a CS coward.

Or because she was as unhealthy as she has appeared over the past year and the ability to stand her up, much less give a speech at 3am would have gone worse than when she poo-poo'ed through the next mornings debacle.

Quote: DRich

What is everybody's thought on why Hillary didn't give a public concession speech early Wednesday morning? Her campaign manager said at 2:03am that they would wait for votes to be counted and not have any comments. At 2:30am Hillary calls Trump to concede. My suspicion is that she did not prepare a concession speech because everybody expected her to win.

Maybe she had to focus group test one?