Recreational Marijuana & Vegas
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September 2nd, 2016 at 4:43:22 PM
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Just read an article that said Nevada is voting on recreational marijuana this November and it will most likely pass, I'll give you one guess as to which strip casino owner is fighting it tooth and nail.
I put the chance of them allowing people to smoke a joint on the floor at 1% (bongs or pipes, 0%). Nobody wants every casino to just smell of weed, maybe one of the downtown casinos will try, depending on public smoking laws.
In my experience (Caesar's & MGM properties), every other hallway usually has at least one room that somewhat smells of marijuana, but I wouldn't classify it as a problem. Every once in awhile, rarely, you can tell someone lit a fat joint in their room and just doesn't care. Do any of you think this could become a problem, or, do you think nothing will change?
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I put the chance of them allowing people to smoke a joint on the floor at 1% (bongs or pipes, 0%). Nobody wants every casino to just smell of weed, maybe one of the downtown casinos will try, depending on public smoking laws.
In my experience (Caesar's & MGM properties), every other hallway usually has at least one room that somewhat smells of marijuana, but I wouldn't classify it as a problem. Every once in awhile, rarely, you can tell someone lit a fat joint in their room and just doesn't care. Do any of you think this could become a problem, or, do you think nothing will change?
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September 2nd, 2016 at 5:31:37 PM
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Drugs are bad, mmmkay. I have a super mega low tolerance. If I just smell ganja, I get high for hours. People can use vapes and nobody will know, but I don't know if I am affected by them.
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September 2nd, 2016 at 9:27:43 PM
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What one buys in Vegas will no longer stay in Vegas.
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September 2nd, 2016 at 10:43:49 PM
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I reside in Washington its legal here, however its not legal to consume in public. I would venture to say Nevada would be the same.
September 3rd, 2016 at 1:35:18 AM
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Same here in CO. I could easily see several of the casinos putting in special smoking lounges though.
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September 3rd, 2016 at 1:52:13 AM
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If having more intoxicated gamblers is a possibility, the casinos will support smoking weed in some way. Maybe not out in the open; but perhaps with a "private area"...
They do not discourage intoxication beyond the point of thinking straight at this point and they encourage intoxication in general--if they can get less people thinking straight, they will try to do so.
(...but it is not the CASINOS fault that people accept their drinks and make stupid decisions with their money after they are intoxicated--I have not seen a single casino drag someone off the street to get them in the door. I do, however, think they over-serve some patrons who become disruptive...but they try to get their money before thy kick them out.)
They do not discourage intoxication beyond the point of thinking straight at this point and they encourage intoxication in general--if they can get less people thinking straight, they will try to do so.
(...but it is not the CASINOS fault that people accept their drinks and make stupid decisions with their money after they are intoxicated--I have not seen a single casino drag someone off the street to get them in the door. I do, however, think they over-serve some patrons who become disruptive...but they try to get their money before thy kick them out.)
September 3rd, 2016 at 2:18:34 AM
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Quote: RonCIf having more intoxicated gamblers is a possibility, the casinos will support smoking weed in some way. Maybe not out in the open; but perhaps with a "private area"...
They do not discourage intoxication beyond the point of thinking straight at this point and they encourage intoxication in general--if they can get less people thinking straight, they will try to do so.
(...but it is not the CASINOS fault that people accept their drinks and make stupid decisions with their money after they are intoxicated--I have not seen a single casino drag someone off the street to get them in the door. I do, however, think they over-serve some patrons who become disruptive...but they try to get their money before thy kick them out.)
A good point, but alcohol intoxication is different than marijuana. Alcohol as they say uninhibits, increases risk taking behavior while marijuana makes you forgetful and distorts reality. I'm not even sure marijuana would increase the urge to gamble. They'll probably tend to just want to leave the casino and do something else. It affects people differently depending on tolerance level and sometimes permanently.
I suppose if marijuana was conducive to gambling, we would see a lot of stoners in casinos through their own volition, but I don't remember seeing any. Second hand smoke might work differently considering the people wanted to gamble primarily, then they get bombed just smelling it. It can happen to some people myself included.
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September 3rd, 2016 at 7:28:53 AM
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The casinos would probably have to make the size of their buffets like 4x larger too. I see a big increase in buffet demand if this legislation is passed....
September 3rd, 2016 at 7:47:18 AM
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It should be legal, because why should the government stop marijuana use when there is a heroin epidemic! Psychedelic use should also be legal, some are actually anti-addictive (lsd, peyote, mushrooms.) MDMA is almost something that should be legal, but idiots take it everyday and get messed up for a while (not like heroin, but still not safe for daily use.) MDMA should be used once a week at most, then it's generally safe and wonderful. But, if taken daily it could take a week to get somewhat normal and maybe a few months to be normal.
Marijuana use has bad effects on brain scans, LSD improves connectivity and increases activity in a healthy way. Albert Hofmann discovered it with an accidental mega-dose and lived to 103 with youth and mental agility. The first studies on LSD in years are being conducted, and the results look good. However, don't trip while gambling since it does help one realize there is more to the world than making money.
Marijuana use has bad effects on brain scans, LSD improves connectivity and increases activity in a healthy way. Albert Hofmann discovered it with an accidental mega-dose and lived to 103 with youth and mental agility. The first studies on LSD in years are being conducted, and the results look good. However, don't trip while gambling since it does help one realize there is more to the world than making money.
September 3rd, 2016 at 8:15:21 AM
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Quote: onenickelmiracleA good point, but alcohol intoxication is different than marijuana. Alcohol as they say uninhibits, increases risk taking behavior while marijuana makes you forgetful and distorts reality. I'm not even sure marijuana would increase the urge to gamble.
Speaking anecdotally based on personal experience, being stoned enhances the casino experience, especially the colors and sounds.
I find that I avoid the craps tables when high, but readily embrace the machines.
For me, weed and casinos are a good fit.
The suits in the casinos should be happy to know that being high makes me less cautious, and more uncaring about losses (most especially if I take a (prescribed) Vicodin with my MMJ).
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September 3rd, 2016 at 9:22:16 AM
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Quote: MrVSpeaking anecdotally based on personal experience, being stoned enhances the casino experience, especially the colors and sounds.
As a blackjack dealer in a college town in Washington, I see plenty of marijuana users at my tables. I'll agree that marijuana and gambling are a fine mix. If anything, marijuana makes players less conducive to leaving.
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September 3rd, 2016 at 12:05:19 PM
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Quote: RonCMaybe not out in the open; but perhaps with a "private area"...
That's what I was thinking, like a smoking room in an airport or even a coffee shop in Amsterdam (where they provide it on site). I could see them charging random tourists $100 for an eighth of mid-grade plus tax, easy (basically 2-3x fair rate).
And yes... buffets will have to start seriously enforcing their two hour limit.
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September 3rd, 2016 at 12:54:33 PM
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Wedibles - Just one bite will make you say I do.
Then again, you'll probably need that more after you're married for awhile :)
Then again, you'll probably need that more after you're married for awhile :)
September 3rd, 2016 at 9:53:55 PM
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I think if recreational MJ were to be legalized in NV/LV, the casinos may have a difficult time taking advantage of it.
When it comes to drugs (i.e.: not tobacco products or alcohol), casinos tend to be on the more conservative side, similar to the mob that used to run LV.....IMO.....at least for managements / higher ups / execs.
I also don't think any major chain (MGM, Caesars, stations, Boyd) would risk having a pro-marijuana stance......it's not something that generally looks good for a company to do. Even if legalized, there's still the negative stigma that comes with MJ. I could potentially see this as being an opportunity for a new market, perhaps the smaller bars around LV will catch on....at least more likely than the casinos, I think.
Getting high and gambling just doesn't really mix very well. Those who would get high and gamble are already doing it. Those who wouldn't, don't and won't (maybe a few).
When it comes to drugs (i.e.: not tobacco products or alcohol), casinos tend to be on the more conservative side, similar to the mob that used to run LV.....IMO.....at least for managements / higher ups / execs.
I also don't think any major chain (MGM, Caesars, stations, Boyd) would risk having a pro-marijuana stance......it's not something that generally looks good for a company to do. Even if legalized, there's still the negative stigma that comes with MJ. I could potentially see this as being an opportunity for a new market, perhaps the smaller bars around LV will catch on....at least more likely than the casinos, I think.
Getting high and gambling just doesn't really mix very well. Those who would get high and gamble are already doing it. Those who wouldn't, don't and won't (maybe a few).
September 3rd, 2016 at 10:08:35 PM
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I was thinking about this today. What do stoners like? Sex, food, music, video games maybe. Positive reinforcement stuff. Gambling isn't something pleasurable enough to their taste. If anything, they'll come in sober hoping to win enough they need to buy dope, then quit and leave once their bong can be filled.
That is if they have some money, but not enough to buy ganja. I doubt people are gambling heavy at dead and phish shows beside gambling on pregnancy and stds. Weed just has to be a net negative on gambling, but that doesn't mean a casino won't make money, just doesn't mean they'll make it gambling. Maybe people would go to Vegas to buy drugs, but won't be able to take them home on a plane I don't think.
That is if they have some money, but not enough to buy ganja. I doubt people are gambling heavy at dead and phish shows beside gambling on pregnancy and stds. Weed just has to be a net negative on gambling, but that doesn't mean a casino won't make money, just doesn't mean they'll make it gambling. Maybe people would go to Vegas to buy drugs, but won't be able to take them home on a plane I don't think.
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September 3rd, 2016 at 10:50:23 PM
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Quote: ahiromu
In my experience (Caesar's & MGM properties), every other hallway usually has at least one room that somewhat smells of marijuana, but I wouldn't classify it as a problem. Every once in awhile, rarely, you can tell someone lit a fat joint in their room and just doesn't care. Do any of you think this could become a problem, or, do you think nothing will change?
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I stayed at MGM once and the first thing I smelled was weed. Housekeeper was in there cleaning and was about to leave. I told her damn it smells like a party in here. She proceeded to bust out some windex (I guess windex is a cleaner and a freshner) and sprayed all over the room.
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September 4th, 2016 at 12:35:32 AM
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Some anecdotes as to drugs, alcohol and other activities:
Craps player at about 3:30am has a bindle of cocaine drop from his sleeve into the Field and Benny Binion yells: Its a bet. At this time of night any of my dealers can cover that bet"
Craps base dealer is being very courteous to a blind craps player and the blind craps player dog is exhibiting great interest in the craps dealer. Since play is somewhat slow with a blind person at the table, conversation turns to where did you get the dog and the response was he is retired from the LA police department. Base dealer knowing why the dog is so interested in base dealer's ankles immediately asks for emergency relief break and when he returns the Box asks him "is it gone?"
Security guard takes short cut thru the dealer's break room and finds two craps dealers puffing away on what surely ain't tobacco. Guard marches them to Benny Binion who promptly tells the security guard to stay out of the dealer's breakroom and tells teh dealers to get back to work.
Young partiers cause a noise complaint to be made. Guards show up and quiet things down. As guards depart they say we will be back in twenty minutes to check IDs for drinking age, but do not in fact return.
Venetian early mornings: Security dogs sniff the floor around tables particularly where the dealers stand.
Shift Manager greets High Roller and his Female Companion and escorts them around the property showing them where everything is and introducing them as honored guests to the staff. Four Days later High Roller and his wife arrive and Shift Manager greets them and escorts them around introducing them as honored guests and each pit boss and host greets them and says happy to meet you to the man they met four days ago.
Female texts her favorite craps dealer her arrival time and room number, craps dealer arrives in room for "Drinks and Etc." but knows to be quiet when she answers her phone after the Etc. Her husband informs wife that he will be arriving on an earlier flight than planned and will get there tomorrow.
Sin City means Gambling and whatever vices we need to tolerate to keep the Gamblers coming here.
Craps player at about 3:30am has a bindle of cocaine drop from his sleeve into the Field and Benny Binion yells: Its a bet. At this time of night any of my dealers can cover that bet"
Craps base dealer is being very courteous to a blind craps player and the blind craps player dog is exhibiting great interest in the craps dealer. Since play is somewhat slow with a blind person at the table, conversation turns to where did you get the dog and the response was he is retired from the LA police department. Base dealer knowing why the dog is so interested in base dealer's ankles immediately asks for emergency relief break and when he returns the Box asks him "is it gone?"
Security guard takes short cut thru the dealer's break room and finds two craps dealers puffing away on what surely ain't tobacco. Guard marches them to Benny Binion who promptly tells the security guard to stay out of the dealer's breakroom and tells teh dealers to get back to work.
Young partiers cause a noise complaint to be made. Guards show up and quiet things down. As guards depart they say we will be back in twenty minutes to check IDs for drinking age, but do not in fact return.
Venetian early mornings: Security dogs sniff the floor around tables particularly where the dealers stand.
Shift Manager greets High Roller and his Female Companion and escorts them around the property showing them where everything is and introducing them as honored guests to the staff. Four Days later High Roller and his wife arrive and Shift Manager greets them and escorts them around introducing them as honored guests and each pit boss and host greets them and says happy to meet you to the man they met four days ago.
Female texts her favorite craps dealer her arrival time and room number, craps dealer arrives in room for "Drinks and Etc." but knows to be quiet when she answers her phone after the Etc. Her husband informs wife that he will be arriving on an earlier flight than planned and will get there tomorrow.
Sin City means Gambling and whatever vices we need to tolerate to keep the Gamblers coming here.
September 4th, 2016 at 6:45:52 AM
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The pieces are already being put into place in at least 1 casino
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/other-games/26714-esports-at-downtown-grand/
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/other-games/26714-esports-at-downtown-grand/
September 4th, 2016 at 7:22:24 PM
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I'm on the fence for legalized marijuana. Part of me really hates the concept and the other part is more concerned about creating a safer environment for addicts. I see both sides.
A couple of reasons:
1.) Seeing it first hand, I think its a blight on the average person who doesn't want to smell it every where you go. Second hand marijuana smoke is pretty offensive.
2.) Yes I like the regulation aspect of it, the tax collection, but I've also see it become taxing on social services that are not prepared to handle the wave of addiction.
3.) I question the safety. I'm a pro-Western scientific method kind of person. I'd rather see THC engineered in a controlled laboratory rather than cross-breeding different varieties of plants. At least in a lab, you can get a pure form of THC. The cross-breeding, chemical fertilizers, and myriad of additives make me question the safety factor. Grant it, synthetic THC has caused some deaths in clinical trials, which on the face of it is sufficient for me to question THC as a whole regardless of production means.
4.) If you're ok with a red light district, how about a green light district (but off strip please)?
5.) Right now, you know it's there and available in Las Vegas. Access makes it more abundant. The more you restrict access, the safer the public.
I think the right approach is to proceed with caution. Unfortunately, politicians are all or nothing on the matter.
A couple of reasons:
1.) Seeing it first hand, I think its a blight on the average person who doesn't want to smell it every where you go. Second hand marijuana smoke is pretty offensive.
2.) Yes I like the regulation aspect of it, the tax collection, but I've also see it become taxing on social services that are not prepared to handle the wave of addiction.
3.) I question the safety. I'm a pro-Western scientific method kind of person. I'd rather see THC engineered in a controlled laboratory rather than cross-breeding different varieties of plants. At least in a lab, you can get a pure form of THC. The cross-breeding, chemical fertilizers, and myriad of additives make me question the safety factor. Grant it, synthetic THC has caused some deaths in clinical trials, which on the face of it is sufficient for me to question THC as a whole regardless of production means.
4.) If you're ok with a red light district, how about a green light district (but off strip please)?
5.) Right now, you know it's there and available in Las Vegas. Access makes it more abundant. The more you restrict access, the safer the public.
I think the right approach is to proceed with caution. Unfortunately, politicians are all or nothing on the matter.
September 5th, 2016 at 5:44:12 AM
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Interesting thread and despite all I have seen on the mj subject all the replies did get me thinking more.
We are getting to where states are preempting the feds on mj laws, sooner or later the feds might just throw up their hands and decide if people want to smoke and toke their brains out then just let them. I have rarely heard of the feds doing a mj bust except at the border, Maybe the good thing is to focus on keeping the Mexican stuff out and let locals grow USA supply?
As to casinos, it will be tricky for them. A casino or hotel room that smells of dope is one that I will leave and likely not return to. Not for any high level moral reason but because I do not want to be stinking of pot. Will a billion dollar property want to risk that investment to cater to the stoner crowd, or just stoners and those who want to be a stoner for a weekend?
OTOH, I could see a lower-end property having a mj bar, same as they might have a cigar bar. Make it real high end with all kinds of variety. BUT, it is still a federal crime! Again, who is going to risk a billion dollar property for such small incremental revenue. Even if you rented the concession, the feds could still take the place and change the sign to "Obamas Palace." Risking a small storefront in CO is one thing, risking a strip property is another.
Would it increase gaming revenue? I doubt it would much. First, assume they keep it off the floor because if the place smells like pot they will lose the non-stoner trade. That alone is a decrease. Lets assume that they limit the smoking to just designated hotel rooms and a pot lounge. Anything I have seen of pot smokers is that mj lessens desire to do anything, even get up out of your chair. I do not see people getting high and then figuring to go gamble. More getting high and then staring at the doorknob for half an hour. Or in a lounge setting, getting high while chilling and chatting with others getting high, talking jibberish.
Will there be pot tourism? Absolutely. Is it worth it for a major property to get involved with it? That is way more tricky.
We are getting to where states are preempting the feds on mj laws, sooner or later the feds might just throw up their hands and decide if people want to smoke and toke their brains out then just let them. I have rarely heard of the feds doing a mj bust except at the border, Maybe the good thing is to focus on keeping the Mexican stuff out and let locals grow USA supply?
As to casinos, it will be tricky for them. A casino or hotel room that smells of dope is one that I will leave and likely not return to. Not for any high level moral reason but because I do not want to be stinking of pot. Will a billion dollar property want to risk that investment to cater to the stoner crowd, or just stoners and those who want to be a stoner for a weekend?
OTOH, I could see a lower-end property having a mj bar, same as they might have a cigar bar. Make it real high end with all kinds of variety. BUT, it is still a federal crime! Again, who is going to risk a billion dollar property for such small incremental revenue. Even if you rented the concession, the feds could still take the place and change the sign to "Obamas Palace." Risking a small storefront in CO is one thing, risking a strip property is another.
Would it increase gaming revenue? I doubt it would much. First, assume they keep it off the floor because if the place smells like pot they will lose the non-stoner trade. That alone is a decrease. Lets assume that they limit the smoking to just designated hotel rooms and a pot lounge. Anything I have seen of pot smokers is that mj lessens desire to do anything, even get up out of your chair. I do not see people getting high and then figuring to go gamble. More getting high and then staring at the doorknob for half an hour. Or in a lounge setting, getting high while chilling and chatting with others getting high, talking jibberish.
Will there be pot tourism? Absolutely. Is it worth it for a major property to get involved with it? That is way more tricky.
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September 5th, 2016 at 8:20:47 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanAs to casinos, it will be tricky for them. A casino or hotel room that smells of dope is one that I will leave and likely not return to. Not for any high level moral reason but because I do not want to be stinking of pot. Will a billion dollar property want to risk that investment to cater to the stoner crowd, or just stoners and those who want to be a stoner for a weekend?
I agree, but what will the casinos do? The smell doesn't stick to the walls like nicotine, so fining them for a cleaning fee would be stupid. There is no way they're going to have police knocking at hotel doors because they smell of weed. Do you just leave courteous notes and ask people to keep the smell down (do it in a closed door bathroom).
Unless they decide to become special and legalize the fun stuff (acid, shrooms) I don't think there will be much pot tourism. As in, it will be a benefit rather than the primary reason for going. I'm playing with semantics here.
I think someone in a prime location could make a lot of money lending out high quality bongs for a weekend. People would pay $20 to use a bong for three nights, when that piece would only cost $100-150. Even better, make the sticker price $200, so if someone skips town without returning it you will make some money.
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September 5th, 2016 at 10:18:09 AM
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I wonder whether any particular Las Vegas casino will ever advertise itself as "420 friendly?"
As in: "Don't ask, don't tell?"
Currently when I go to tribal casinos and bring my own weed, I have to "hide" my consumption by blazing in the bathroom with the exhaust fan on.
MMJ is now legal in Nevada, but it is not legal to smoke it anywhere EXCEPT IN YOUR HOME, and tourists have no local home: smoking is prohibited in their room: sort of a catch 22.
The casinos do not allow weed to be smoke in the patron's rooms (or in other designated areas); given supply and demand, perhaps a purpose-built venue near the casinos which DOES allow people to legally smoke and interact publicly will be built: maybe near Fat Burger on the strip.
It's a changing world.
As in: "Don't ask, don't tell?"
Currently when I go to tribal casinos and bring my own weed, I have to "hide" my consumption by blazing in the bathroom with the exhaust fan on.
MMJ is now legal in Nevada, but it is not legal to smoke it anywhere EXCEPT IN YOUR HOME, and tourists have no local home: smoking is prohibited in their room: sort of a catch 22.
The casinos do not allow weed to be smoke in the patron's rooms (or in other designated areas); given supply and demand, perhaps a purpose-built venue near the casinos which DOES allow people to legally smoke and interact publicly will be built: maybe near Fat Burger on the strip.
It's a changing world.
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September 5th, 2016 at 10:58:39 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanI have rarely heard of the feds doing a mj bust except at the border, Maybe the good thing is to focus on keeping the Mexican stuff out and let locals grow USA supply?
Wired magazine had an interesting article on that idea this month. They surmise that the current heroin epidemic is being caused by the legalization of MJ here in the States. The Mexican cartels used to make billions on weed coming across the border, but not anymore since much better strains are being developed north of the border. The cartels have to make up the lost income somehow....boom!...they flood America with smack, which has a much higher profit per kilo, easier to transport, doesn't stink like weed during the transport and is more addictive.
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September 5th, 2016 at 11:17:28 AM
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Quote: MrV
Currently when I go to tribal casinos and bring my own weed, I have to "hide" my consumption by blazing in the bathroom with the exhaust fan on.
I did that in Concord when I was in town to catch a race at Lowe'sMS. Turned out the shower exhausted through a vent right in front of the door to the room. Whoops =)
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September 5th, 2016 at 11:27:09 AM
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Some of you are behind in the times: No need to smoke any more. You could make an entire grocery store full of mj products (and I think there are some). Anyone can just bring a pocket full of candies anywhere and get high.
Sometimes I feel like I'm losing a lot of value being unwilling to take advantage of comped drinks at a casino. If they start offered comped THC I'll have almost my entire entertainment budget covered.
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I was very disappointed when the Undercover Economist couldn't figure out how weed prices were unaffected by inflation over 20+ years. The answer was obvious to me, that decreased prohibition increased competition. One thing that baffled me is that when Colorado and Washington first lifted the ban on recreational sales, the prices actually increased.
Sometimes I feel like I'm losing a lot of value being unwilling to take advantage of comped drinks at a casino. If they start offered comped THC I'll have almost my entire entertainment budget covered.
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I was very disappointed when the Undercover Economist couldn't figure out how weed prices were unaffected by inflation over 20+ years. The answer was obvious to me, that decreased prohibition increased competition. One thing that baffled me is that when Colorado and Washington first lifted the ban on recreational sales, the prices actually increased.
September 5th, 2016 at 11:35:21 AM
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Quote: ahiromuI agree, but what will the casinos do? The smell doesn't stick to the walls like nicotine, so fining them for a cleaning fee would be stupid. There is no way they're going to have police knocking at hotel doors because they smell of weed. Do you just leave courteous notes and ask people to keep the smell down (do it in a closed door bathroom).
Might not be as bad as nicotine, but I have smelled it after people smoked a place up. Particularly if it is a "regular" place someone smokes and it builds up.
Quote: zippyboyWired magazine had an interesting article on that idea this month. They surmise that the current heroin epidemic is being caused by the legalization of MJ here in the States. The Mexican cartels used to make billions on weed coming across the border, but not anymore since much better strains are being developed north of the border. The cartels have to make up the lost income somehow....boom!...they flood America with smack, which has a much higher profit per kilo, easier to transport, doesn't stink like weed during the transport and is more addictive.
So, MJ is just one more product where the Mexican manufacturer makes cheap crap compared to specialty domestic? I'm not sure what is causing the H epidemic, but I don't think it is really a pot substitute.
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September 5th, 2016 at 11:50:55 AM
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Quote: AZDuffman
So, MJ is just one more product where the Mexican manufacturer makes cheap crap compared to specialty domestic? I'm not sure what is causing the H epidemic, but I don't think it is really a pot substitute.
Likely several causes. I suspect pot could contribute, as it does make sense. I'd also give a nod to pharma. I'd be lying if my mind didn't drift to products of Myanmar when my health insurance lapsed. Can't say I'm all that versed on opioid addiction, but chronic pain is just about enough reason to risk it. I can tell ya this, though; this "epidemic" ain't nothing yet. You're going to see a lot of big names in the news for '17. Some surprising obits, too.
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September 5th, 2016 at 12:00:49 PM
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Quote: AZDuffmanMight not be as bad as nicotine, but I have smelled it after people smoked a place up. Particularly if it is a "regular" place someone smokes and it builds up.
Quote: zippyboyWired magazine had an interesting article on that idea this month. They surmise that the current heroin epidemic is being caused by the legalization of MJ here in the States. The Mexican cartels used to make billions on weed coming across the border, but not anymore since much better strains are being developed north of the border. The cartels have to make up the lost income somehow....boom!...they flood America with smack, which has a much higher profit per kilo, easier to transport, doesn't stink like weed during the transport and is more addictive.
So, MJ is just one more product where the Mexican manufacturer makes cheap crap compared to specialty domestic? I'm not sure what is causing the H epidemic, but I don't think it is really a pot substitute.
zippy covered it
September 5th, 2016 at 12:32:52 PM
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Quote: FaceLikely several causes. I suspect pot could contribute, as it does make sense. I'd also give a nod to pharma. I'd be lying if my mind didn't drift to products of Myanmar when my health insurance lapsed. Can't say I'm all that versed on opioid addiction, but chronic pain is just about enough reason to risk it. I can tell ya this, though; this "epidemic" ain't nothing yet. You're going to see a lot of big names in the news for '17. Some surprising obits, too.
Well, the USA is what, 90% of the world painkiller market? Why is this? Is medicine just so much better now than 30 years ago so you live but have more pain? Or is H just more around now than years ago. We have had people hooked on painkillers in the USA since 1865. Various ones over the years, but it happens.
I think you are right, it is going to get worse before it gets better. Much worse. Right now I doubt more than 1/4 of the population understands how bad the problem is getting. Will the USA go the way of China in the Opium Wars and become a hooked nation is the question.
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September 5th, 2016 at 12:58:22 PM
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Quote: AZDuffmanWell, the USA is what, 90% of the world painkiller market? Why is this? Is medicine just so much better now than 30 years ago so you live but have more pain? Or is H just more around now than years ago. We have had people hooked on painkillers in the USA since 1865. Various ones over the years, but it happens.
It's a mess. When I broke my back, I was given 120 pills at a time, this through little more than the statement "My back hurts". No scans, no tests, just "Here, eat these". It was some 6 YEARS later before I was scanned and diagnosed with crushed disks. 6 years of daily opioid dosing because I was told to by a professional. And not one single, solitary word as to risk of addiction. It was 10 years before I was finally told it was a good idea for a blood test to ensure I didn't fry my liver, and here I had no idea my liver was even at risk.
You might have heard of a guy 'round these parts, had some 2,500 (!) patients to whom he basically just funneled pills. I'm talking people who are on 100mg+ a day (I max at 5mg p/day to put it into perspective). When the feds started taking a look at this stuff, he closed up shop in 1 day. Just boom, stopped. The less thorough sawbones around wouldn't take these people because the feds were looking, and the more thorough wouldn't take them because they had no patient histories for them yet. So thousands of people in just my region alone now in serious pain and hooked through the bag on opiates, what's the obvious result?
It's much of the reason I argue with you about pot. El Padrino ain't got s#$% on GlaxoSmithKline
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September 5th, 2016 at 2:51:24 PM
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Quote: Face
It's much of the reason I argue with you about pot. El Padrino ain't got s#$% on GlaxoSmithKline
Nothing to really argue with me about on it.
I really don't care on pot anymore. I can see where people in real pain need it for the cloud effect. I think recreational use is a bad idea as I have seen bad, bad effects on people. Usually they don't even notice what it is doing to them. However, I am tired of caring about it. Cynical in my old age I guess.
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September 5th, 2016 at 3:05:29 PM
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The Mexican cartels are, once again, responding to demand.
Now it's for heroin, not weed.
The heroin epidemic is fueled primarily by the difficulty patients who were previously prescribed opioids for pain are experiencing now that the medical industry is tightening up on prescribing them.
Now it's for heroin, not weed.
The heroin epidemic is fueled primarily by the difficulty patients who were previously prescribed opioids for pain are experiencing now that the medical industry is tightening up on prescribing them.
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January 8th, 2017 at 11:59:48 AM
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Well, the bill passed.
The people have spoken, and they said "We want our weed!"
Recreational use is legal as of 1-1-17 in Nevada: see article about weed
Party on, Las Vegas!
The people have spoken, and they said "We want our weed!"
Recreational use is legal as of 1-1-17 in Nevada: see article about weed
Party on, Las Vegas!
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January 8th, 2017 at 12:24:59 PM
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Quote: MrVWell, the bill passed.
The people have spoken, and they said "We want our weed!"
Recreational use is legal as of 1-1-17 in Nevada: see article about weed
Party on, Las Vegas!
Yes, but smoking or consuming in public is still against the law. Nevada Gaming also prohibits it from being used on any licensee's property. That means you can't use it in a casino hotel room either.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
January 8th, 2017 at 12:37:14 PM
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Give it time, and mj will become accepted. Just as alcohol was voodoo and perceived as 'very destructive to families' prior to its legalization in early 1900's. Now it is accepted and common place in society. Gambling was sooo sooo bad and only allowed casinos in LV and Atlantic City. Now, there are casinos everywhere you turn and look. Its not such a bad thing anymore, huh? The same will happen with mj. Get over it folks. When the government needs money, they will legalize just about anything and people's habits and perceptions will change over time. Next to come... Prostitution.
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January 8th, 2017 at 12:56:12 PM
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The 800 pound gorilla in the room here is Donald Trump, and the conservatives he is appointing to his administration.
Marijuana is still illegal under federal law; the reason states have been allowed to adopt and implement medical and recreational marijuana laws is because the liberal Obama administration has allowed them to do so.
That can change when The Don is inaugurated: no one is quite sure what he'll will do about this issue; he need only instruct the feds to enforce existing federal laws and the whole house of cards could come tumbling down.
Wow, talk about rioting in the streets.
Marijuana is still illegal under federal law; the reason states have been allowed to adopt and implement medical and recreational marijuana laws is because the liberal Obama administration has allowed them to do so.
That can change when The Don is inaugurated: no one is quite sure what he'll will do about this issue; he need only instruct the feds to enforce existing federal laws and the whole house of cards could come tumbling down.
Wow, talk about rioting in the streets.
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January 8th, 2017 at 3:11:22 PM
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Quote: MrVThe 800 pound gorilla in the room here is Donald Trump, and the conservatives he is appointing to his administration.
Marijuana is still illegal under federal law; the reason states have been allowed to adopt and implement medical and recreational marijuana laws is because the liberal Obama administration has allowed them to do so.
That can change when The Don is inaugurated: no one is quite sure what he'll will do about this issue; he need only instruct the feds to enforce existing federal laws and the whole house of cards could come tumbling down.
Wow, talk about rioting in the streets.
More like chilling in the streets. "Whoa, dude, you're harshing my buzz."
Seriously, though,I expect States' Rights to win that argument.
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January 8th, 2017 at 3:53:14 PM
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A lot of discussion about the smell and how it affects fellow gamblers
I don't really think its really much of an issue
because
the actual trend is away from smoking the plant
and
going with concentrates
What is very popular is vape pens
They sell disposable vape pens and rechargeable vape pens
They use concentrate wax or oil.
No typical pot smell
smoking is old school
I don't really think its really much of an issue
because
the actual trend is away from smoking the plant
and
going with concentrates
What is very popular is vape pens
They sell disposable vape pens and rechargeable vape pens
They use concentrate wax or oil.
No typical pot smell
smoking is old school
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January 8th, 2017 at 4:14:42 PM
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Quote: terapined....the actual trend is away from smoking the plant
and going with concentrates
What is very popular is vape pens
They sell disposable vape pens and rechargeable vape pens
They use concentrate wax or oil.
No typical pot smell smoking is old school
a little dab'll do ya.
Quote: WatchMeWinGive it time, and mj will become accepted. ..... Next to come... Prostitution.
In my lifetime? Lordy! Hope so! lol
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January 8th, 2017 at 7:36:41 PM
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They should use it to treat alcoholics. A replacement drug for the booze. While the long term effects on the brain can be harsh, it's effects on the rest of the body are mild. Furthermore it can help some of the drunks, once again, become functioning members of society.
January 8th, 2017 at 8:58:33 PM
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Quote: KeyserWhile the long term effects on the brain can be harsh, .
I keep hearing people say that but there's some very sharp forum members here who say they use. Not sure about Mr V tho ;)
Someone here said they are bothered by mj smoke. Never stay at the Golden Gate. Well, never stay there anyway but yeah.
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January 8th, 2017 at 9:23:23 PM
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No stoners in the casinos?? You must not play live poker. I see a lot players using. The dispensaries started to sell to anyone over 21 after the vote... no medical card needed. Heck they have ones that deliver right to your door. I bought some for users in November at 150 an oz special. I don't use anymore... gave it up after a few years of use. I couldn't take the anxiety attacks and paranoia but I ate it or drank it which hits much harder and longer. After using I went through withdrawals and I thought that was only for heroine addicts. I went through a 6 month depression battle after not using. They make this drug very strong these days. I think it's bad to legalize it but it's not gonna be stopped. The snowball is already rolling down the mountain.
January 8th, 2017 at 11:49:23 PM
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Concerned about smell for fellow gamblers but no problem with the repugnant stench of cigars and cigarettes....lmao
January 9th, 2017 at 4:32:23 AM
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Quote: RogerKintI keep hearing people say that but there's some very sharp forum members here who say they use. Not sure about Mr V tho ;)
Someone here said they are bothered by mj smoke. Never stay at the Golden Gate. Well, never stay there anyway but yeah.
I've taken a MJ oil vape hit while playing video poker at the 4 Queens
No typical MJ smell. Anybody that saw me assumed it was a nicotine vape pen
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January 9th, 2017 at 4:52:08 AM
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Quote: RogerKintSomeone here said they are bothered by mj smoke. Never stay at the Golden Gate. Well, never stay there anyway but yeah.
Once again I have to defend the downtown properties!! Nothing wrong with the Golden Gate!! If you know what your doing, the Golden Gate offers a 12% annual return on your investment. I get 300 free play a month and 150 food not to mention 6 free nights a month! Nothing wrong with a casino giving me that... nothing at all!
January 9th, 2017 at 5:49:56 AM
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I wouldn't mind if they allowed mj use in the poker rooms.... haha Oh, what a gift that would be!
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January 9th, 2017 at 6:08:12 AM
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Quote: WatchMeWinI wouldn't mind if they allowed mj use in the poker rooms.... haha Oh, what a gift that would be!
I always play live poker with a buzz :-)
I do alright
I kept daily records of my wins and losses
Not a great player
but
Overall through the years broke even
Its a pretty boring game without a buzz :-)
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January 9th, 2017 at 6:26:20 AM
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Quote: terapinedI always play live poker with a buzz :-)
I do alright
I kept daily records of my wins and losses
Not a great player
but
Overall through the years broke even
Its a pretty boring game without a buzz :-)
Just like with alcohol, it depends on level of intoxication. If done in moderation, I can see it relaxing people and helping them.
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January 9th, 2017 at 7:52:43 AM
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Easily accessible, legal, marijuana in Vegas. Brave new world. Some of the shops between McCarran and the strip will do great business.
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January 9th, 2017 at 8:41:12 AM
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Quote: monet0412Once again I have to defend the downtown properties!! Nothing wrong with the Golden Gate!
Some APs forget this is a public forum religiously scanned by the other side and your competition. If you want to keep bragging about your plays, that's fine, just KNOW that you give up EV every time you do. Btw, like you, I like the Golden Gate, but if you are hyper sensitive to the smell of mj, the hotel is not for you
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