Did I win $500 or is this a scam?
March 2nd, 2016 at 4:46:00 PM
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Received a mass mailer from a dealer ship in the mail
I know they always use gimmicks to get you in the door. We see a lot of those, here's a key, come see if it starts a car. What throws me off on this one is there is odds listed in the fine print. Each cash award has a 1 in 34,750 and the gas card has a 32747 in 34,750. I take that to mean they mauled out 34,750 if these and there are 3 that have cash winnerd and all others win the gas card. I will post some pics, not sure if the fine print will be readable. If it is not I will break it up into multiple pics.
I know they always use gimmicks to get you in the door. We see a lot of those, here's a key, come see if it starts a car. What throws me off on this one is there is odds listed in the fine print. Each cash award has a 1 in 34,750 and the gas card has a 32747 in 34,750. I take that to mean they mauled out 34,750 if these and there are 3 that have cash winnerd and all others win the gas card. I will post some pics, not sure if the fine print will be readable. If it is not I will break it up into multiple pics.
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March 2nd, 2016 at 4:49:57 PM
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Any bets on your big prize being a $5 gas card?
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March 2nd, 2016 at 4:56:09 PM
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Quote: rxwineAny bets on your big prize being a $5 gas card?
When you look at the first picture it makes it appear that if you have 777 you win $500. My thoughts are that they conveniently put the prize amounts next to the symbols to make it appear like that but it doesn't say if you have 7s you get that prize. What say you?
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March 2nd, 2016 at 5:28:22 PM
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I agree, its like that to lure you in, im sure that there is a fine print on the back that says you lose
March 2nd, 2016 at 5:30:47 PM
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That would be really low and decieptful if the 777 match is the gas card and they say that the prize amounts are just listed on the right and do not necessarily correspond to the prize next to it. I'd say that's false advertising if that were the case and I'd report it to the BBB and any other place I could find. Maybe the Department of Gaming too.
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March 2nd, 2016 at 5:45:42 PM
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On the first image, it's BARS, then 7's, then ORANGES, then CHERRIES. This is the picture with the win amounts next to them.
But then in the winning picture, it looks to be the order is CHERRIES, then 7's, then BARS, then ORANGES. And it appears in this picture there is NO "win this amount" or whatever next to the winning combination.'
I have no idea if you've actually won $500 or not. If it's close, obviously worth the drive to check it out. If it's far away, no se.
But then in the winning picture, it looks to be the order is CHERRIES, then 7's, then BARS, then ORANGES. And it appears in this picture there is NO "win this amount" or whatever next to the winning combination.'
I have no idea if you've actually won $500 or not. If it's close, obviously worth the drive to check it out. If it's far away, no se.
March 2nd, 2016 at 6:01:35 PM
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It is less than 3 mIles away. I bet in order to even know if you win you need to give them all your info and be subject to hundreds of calls.
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March 2nd, 2016 at 6:04:58 PM
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Just as suspected, well known scam of sorts.
http://botcrawl.com/money-carlo-match-to-win-scam/
http://botcrawl.com/money-carlo-match-to-win-scam/
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March 2nd, 2016 at 6:14:24 PM
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Quote: GWAEWhen you look at the first picture it makes it appear that if you have 777 you win $500. My thoughts are that they conveniently put the prize amounts next to the symbols to make it appear like that but it doesn't say if you have 7s you get that prize. What say you?
I think it is a $500 win and I don't see how they can talk themselves out of it.
If they say "(we just) put the prize amounts next to the symbols to make it appear like that but it doesn't say if you have 7s you get that prize", then they will have to show what exactly do you get for 3 7's somewhere else on the ticket. Lack thereof should imply that $500 is indeed the prize of 3 7's.
March 2nd, 2016 at 6:22:44 PM
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Quote: GWAEJust as suspected, well known scam of sorts.
http://botcrawl.com/money-carlo-match-to-win-scam/
OK its a scam, no surprise there.
But as someone asked in the article:
"Okay but what happens when you take the card in? Do they literally tell you that it isn¡¦t a winner even though it shows that it is? Every report I have read doesn¡¦t go into details about why they don¡¦t pay up. I get that it is a tactic to bring people into their lots, but I would assume pissing people off by saying they won and not giving the prize out would cause more bad publicity than they would want."
they just say "tough luck" or is there a way to talk themselves out of it?
March 2nd, 2016 at 6:26:19 PM
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I couldn't read the fine print, but it would appear to be a $500 winner to me. However, I defer to the link somebody else posted that it is a well-known scam. I'd file it under the mailers everybody used to get that said we already won $1,000,000 and we just need to order some magazines to collect it.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
March 2nd, 2016 at 6:32:39 PM
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I disagree.. in the first pick, it implies that if you match... it just shows a win of "$".. the symbol between the matches. It doesn't say it's $500. Sneaky.
March 2nd, 2016 at 7:02:33 PM
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I've worked in car sales for over thirty years. Look somewhere for where it says that the $500 is paid as a discount on a car.
Edit: nope, there's nothing in there like that, but it is a common ploy.
I guarantee you that they have NEVER given out anything more than a gas card. And the key that starts the car is securely hidden in the GM's desk drawer.
Also, these mailers typically come with a "road crew" of salespeople from out of the area, and they will make promises they can't keep, falsify credit information and overvalue cars to get financing approved, and then vanish leaving the dealer to clean up the mess.
I hate them, and won't do them.
Edit: nope, there's nothing in there like that, but it is a common ploy.
I guarantee you that they have NEVER given out anything more than a gas card. And the key that starts the car is securely hidden in the GM's desk drawer.
Also, these mailers typically come with a "road crew" of salespeople from out of the area, and they will make promises they can't keep, falsify credit information and overvalue cars to get financing approved, and then vanish leaving the dealer to clean up the mess.
I hate them, and won't do them.
A falling knife has no handle.
March 2nd, 2016 at 7:14:32 PM
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Sounds like a ripe opportunity to go into a dealership and cause a big ruckus. Extra points if you bring a rich friend (beforehand) and he's in the middle of making a deal on a big sale...when you start making a ruckus (and they deny you), big-money-friend gets upset and walks out / threatens to walk out. If they pay you, big-money-friend has to "call the wife" for approval to buy the car and wongs out of the dealership.
March 2nd, 2016 at 7:20:32 PM
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Real life puzzles are interesting. If it's only a few miles away it would be interesting if you go demand your prize.
Just don't come back with a new mini van (A fancy sports car the kids cant fit in is ok)
In las Vegas we have a news station, they have a contact 13 news slogan it's a segment where they expose fraudulent stuff like this. I have seen faults advertising type of stuff on there
Perhaps you have something like that as well in your area?
Just don't come back with a new mini van (A fancy sports car the kids cant fit in is ok)
In las Vegas we have a news station, they have a contact 13 news slogan it's a segment where they expose fraudulent stuff like this. I have seen faults advertising type of stuff on there
Perhaps you have something like that as well in your area?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 2nd, 2016 at 7:22:03 PM
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Bring an attorney friend.Quote: RSSounds like a ripe opportunity to go into a dealership and cause a big ruckus. Extra points if you bring a rich friend (beforehand) and he's in the middle of making a deal on a big sale...when you start making a ruckus (and they deny you), big-money-friend gets upset and walks out / threatens to walk out. If they pay you, big-money-friend has to "call the wife" for approval to buy the car and wongs out of the dealership.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 2nd, 2016 at 7:36:34 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfBring an attorney friend.
Why?
March 2nd, 2016 at 7:37:54 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfBring an attorney friend.
If only ace was still here. I sent a text to a friend to see what his says. I called in laws as well but they are too lazy to walk to the mail box. I will see my parents on friday so I will see theirs as well. I plan on stopping in on Saturday to see what happens.
We are actually in the market to buy a used Ford flex. I will feel like a shmuck if they have one and we buy it.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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March 2nd, 2016 at 7:47:24 PM
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Perhaps you'll save an extra $500. Pull it out after everything is negotiated but just before you sign.Quote: GWAEIf only ace was still here. I sent a text to a friend to see what his says. I called in laws as well but they are too lazy to walk to the mail box. I will see my parents on friday so I will see theirs as well. I plan on stopping in on Saturday to see what happens.
We are actually in the market to buy a used Ford flex. I will feel like a shmuck if they have one and we buy it.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 2nd, 2016 at 8:43:04 PM
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The mailing lists the prizes and claims you are a winner of one of the prizes if symbols match. No surprise, everybody is a winner. The webpage you linked to claims that you should expect all mailings to have matching 7s. The deception is giving the impression that the symbols correlate to the adjacent prizes. The fine print on the mailing says you have to take the mailing to the dealership and match the confirmation code to the prize board and claim the prize.
The mailing could simply say "Bring this code to the dealership. If code matches with one of the three cash prizes, you win the cash, else you win a $5 gas card."
If you can simply walk in, compare your code and be on your way, I'd stop by if it were convenient. However, I'm sure the dealership will want your personal info before giving you a $5 gas card. Don't reward the dealership with your business for this deceptive marketing scheme unless you've shopped around and feel that they have the best deal on the car you want.
The mailing could simply say "Bring this code to the dealership. If code matches with one of the three cash prizes, you win the cash, else you win a $5 gas card."
If you can simply walk in, compare your code and be on your way, I'd stop by if it were convenient. However, I'm sure the dealership will want your personal info before giving you a $5 gas card. Don't reward the dealership with your business for this deceptive marketing scheme unless you've shopped around and feel that they have the best deal on the car you want.
March 9th, 2016 at 7:35:05 AM
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Did you make it by the dealership, GWAE?Quote: GWAEI plan on stopping in on Saturday to see what happens.
I was thinking something along these lines would be fun. I really like the "big-money friend" idea. Nice touch, RS!Quote: RSSounds like a ripe opportunity to go into a dealership and cause a big ruckus. Extra points if you bring a rich friend (beforehand) and he's in the middle of making a deal on a big sale...when you start making a ruckus (and they deny you), big-money-friend gets upset and walks out / threatens to walk out. If they pay you, big-money-friend has to "call the wife" for approval to buy the car and wongs out of the dealership.
"Dealer has 'rock'... Pay 'paper!'"
March 9th, 2016 at 7:40:25 AM
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I got these before... and I always won a "decent" if not "top" prize... the fine print/etc screwed you because it says you can redeem it when purchasing a new car or some garbage. So yeah, they'll give you $500, if you spend $25-$30k on a new car, which they make money hand over fist on. So more like a $500 rebate. I mean, this could be different than my experience, but be prepared to hear that as well.
p.s. Since when does 3 bar's pay more than 3 7's...
p.s. Since when does 3 bar's pay more than 3 7's...
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
March 9th, 2016 at 8:40:35 AM
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I see the gimmick; read it as two columns rather than four rows.
It says, "If any of these four sets of symbols match, you can win any of the four prizes." Note how it says "$5000 cash or $500 cash or $200 cash or $5 Giant Eagle card"; in the fine print, out of every 34,750 cards, one is a $5000 winner, one is a $500 winner, and one is a $200 winner. The $500 prize listing "just happens" to be next to the two sets of three 7s; "Hey, it's not our fault if you didn't read the card correctly."
It says, "If any of these four sets of symbols match, you can win any of the four prizes." Note how it says "$5000 cash or $500 cash or $200 cash or $5 Giant Eagle card"; in the fine print, out of every 34,750 cards, one is a $5000 winner, one is a $500 winner, and one is a $200 winner. The $500 prize listing "just happens" to be next to the two sets of three 7s; "Hey, it's not our fault if you didn't read the card correctly."
March 9th, 2016 at 10:02:20 AM
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Car dealership owners are always looking to get customers in the door and let marketing companies like these come to their dealership for a share of profits. Many times the companies bring in their own traveling high pressure salesman to close the deals. Everything they do is 100% legal behind well written disclosure. It may not be moral but it works and the bottom line is a good number of people are simply stupid when they see a car they want and won't leave without it. Get 10 people through the door, you may sell 3 cars. Get 100 you will sell 30. And that is why you see these gimmicks.
And then they charge them 2 points in interest above what the bank quoted and add on garbage like protection and other nonsense. With the right sucker, they can make $5000 or more off a used car. I know of salesman buying blow for the entire sales team after f****ing some poor family man who needed a car.
First way to know if you are going to get screwed is when they ask you how much you are looking to pay a month.
And then they charge them 2 points in interest above what the bank quoted and add on garbage like protection and other nonsense. With the right sucker, they can make $5000 or more off a used car. I know of salesman buying blow for the entire sales team after f****ing some poor family man who needed a car.
First way to know if you are going to get screwed is when they ask you how much you are looking to pay a month.
March 9th, 2016 at 11:03:17 AM
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Quote: Boz
First way to know if you are going to get screwed is when they ask you how much you are looking to pay a month.
That my be the second way you know you are going to get screwed. First way is pulling into the lot. Just got attempted shafting by Sahara Dodge, they added the figures about 1000 too high, I guess most customers dont pull out a calculator to check the math.
March 9th, 2016 at 11:22:22 AM
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Quote: BozCar dealership owners are always looking to get customers in the door and let marketing companies like these come to their dealership for a share of profits. Many times the companies bring in their own traveling high pressure salesman to close the deals. Everything they do is 100% legal behind well written disclosure. It may not be moral but it works and the bottom line is a good number of people are simply stupid when they see a car they want and won't leave without it. Get 10 people through the door, you may sell 3 cars. Get 100 you will sell 30. And that is why you see these gimmicks.
And then they charge them 2 points in interest above what the bank quoted and add on garbage like protection and other nonsense. With the right sucker, they can make $5000 or more off a used car. I know of salesman buying blow for the entire sales team after f****ing some poor family man who needed a car.
First way to know if you are going to get screwed is when they ask you how much you are looking to pay a month.
I forgot to update this thread. I did not go to the dealer because when I check my parents and my neighbors we had the identical cards. I sent them to our local news story person that does special interests type stuff. I haven't heard back yet if he cares or not so we will see.
Some car dealers are such scum. I mentioned earlier that we are actually in the market for a car. I found one on car gurus that we were interested in. The dealer quoted me a price via email and we were debating on the car. I was looking at their website and noticed this in super super super small print.
*all prices exclude tax, title tags, and $1199 service fee.
REALLY!!! $1199 service fee. I emailed him and asked if the price he quoted included that. His response is that is part of their financing.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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March 9th, 2016 at 12:05:07 PM
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I'll just leave this here...
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
March 9th, 2016 at 2:44:50 PM
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That is a great video. Beer distributorships work the same way. Three-tier system.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
