Frank Sinatra
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_8RQzFuwVw
Wow.
The old strip casinos sure look tacky and low-budget compared to the ones today.
Still, a wonderful stroll back through time.
to make it good. It's all about Vegas and
how small the Strip was in 1960. It was
still small in 75 the first time I was there,
but not like it was in 60.
Quote: MrVWatched the original "Oceans Eleven" again last night.
Wow.
The old strip casinos sure look tacky and low-budget compared to the ones today.
Still, a wonderful stroll back through time.
The Good Thief was a better casino heist movie than the original and remake of Oceans 11.
What a gal that Ava was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjAnmlEN8rI
He got the caps knocked off his front teeth in a Las Vegas casino by mobster / casino exec Carl Cohen due to his abusive, obnoxious behavior.
in real life a lot of the time. He was a short
guy who wore lifts and a toupee. The only
person he was nice to all the time was Dean
Martin. He really admired Dean because Dean
didn't give a crap about anything, and it wasn't
an act. He didn't care if Frank was his friend or
not, and it drove Frank crazy.
When Dean was young, he would borrow money
from friends and never pay them back. But he was
so cool, so likable, they always forgave him. He
was probably an amiable sociopath, he truly didn't
care about anybody but himself. He even refused to
kiss the ass of the Mob, and they forgave him. Frank
admired the hell out of Dean for telling a Mob boss to
F off, Frank would never do that in a hundred years.
Quote: EvenBobI love Sinatra's singing, but he was an asshole
in real life a lot of the time. He was a short
guy who wore lifts and a toupee. The only
person he was nice to all the time was Dean
Martin. He really admired Dean because Dean
didn't give a crap about anything, and it wasn't
an act. He didn't care if Frank was his friend or
not, and it drove Frank crazy.
When Dean was young, he would borrow money
from friends and never pay them back. But he was
so cool, so likable, they always forgave him. He
was probably an amiable sociopath, he truly didn't
care about anybody but himself. He even refused to
kiss the ass of the Mob, and they forgave him. Frank
admired the hell out of Dean for telling a Mob boss to
F off, Frank would never do that in a hundred years.
I love Frank's singing too. His voice was masculine and perfect. But as a person? He was a jerk in search of his next conquest. I read he was 5'7". That's how tall Alan Ladd was, but Alan Ladd always had the rap of being a short guy. Well, Dustin Hoffman and a lot of guys are under 5'8".
Listen to Frank sing Don't Worry 'bout Me. What a voice.
Quote: GreasyjohnHe was a jerk in search of his next conquest. .
Frank was nice a lot of the time, but if
you were his friend, he was going to
crap on you eventually. Embarrass
you in public, humiliate you in front
of others. Or just take a temper tantrum
out on you in private.
One of his main song writers had a
prized possession, a signed Norman
Rockwell painting. He loved it, and
one time Frank was in his home and
got furious over something and tore
the painting from the frame and ripped
it apart and stormed out. That's how
he was.
He replaced it with another artwork
that cost twice as much, but you can't
replace a one of a kind item. He never
did that kind of thing to Dean because
Dean would have never forgiven him.
Dean didn't need Sinatra, and like I
said, that drove Frank nuts.
“It’s a true story, so help me God,” he began obligingly. “Sinatra was headlining at the Sands, and I was with this girl having dinner in the lounge. She wasn’t anybody I would bring home to my mother, but I really wanted to score big. Frank was in the lounge at his table with Lena Horne and some other celebrities and all his security guards. And my date says, ‘My God, there’s Frank Sinatra! Do you know him?’
“I said, ‘Sure, he’s a friend of mine.’ Which he was. But I made it sound like my whole life. ‘We’re like brothers!’ She didn’t believe me. So I said, ‘Wait here, sweetheart,’ and I went over to Frank’s table. ‘What do you want, Bullethead?’ he said. That was his nickname for me. I told him I was trying to impress this girl and would he do me a very big favor and come over and just say hello. He said, ‘For you, Bullethead, I’ll do it.’”
Five minutes later, Sinatra strolled over and said, “Don, how the hell are you?”
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2010/03/otl-rickles-201003
And Don Rickles looked up and replied, “Not now, Frank. Can’t you see I’m with somebody?”
I saw Don at the Sahara in '76.
Quote: GreasyjohnI love Frank's singing too. His voice was masculine and perfect. But as a person? He was a jerk in search of his next conquest. I read he was 5'7". That's how tall Alan Ladd was, but Alan Ladd always had the rap of being a short guy. Well, Dustin Hoffman and a lot of guys are under 5'8".
Listen to Frank sing Don't Worry 'bout Me. What a voice.
Here's one of Franks songs I really love to hear --- enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug8cBIbxDaY
Franks buddy Dean Martin could also sing ---- the big orchestras sure made those tunes sound even better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaj6YGOLskQ
Of course they were Sinatra and Martin fans as well.
I have a stack of their old albums. What, are they called 78's or something?
Are they worth anything?
The original covers may be worth more than the vinyl.....
I was singing along with Cream, and J Airplane....
I was, still am, a very bad singer ;-(
"Go ask Alice"
Quote: TwoFeathersATLI grew up watching my parents having a ton of fun listening to Boots Randolf, Chet Atkins, and Floyd Cramer.
Of course they were Sinatra and Martin fans as well.
I have a stack of their old albums. What, are they called 78's or something?
Are they worth anything?
The original covers may be worth more than the vinyl.....
I was singing along with Cream, and J Airplane....
I was, still am, a very bad singer ;-(
"Go ask Alice"
I believe those old albums would be **33's
here's a link for you regarding the worthiness of old vinyl
http://www.gocontinental.com/pgde.htm
**The LP (long play), or 33 1⁄3 rpm microgroove vinyl record, is a format for phonograph (gramophone) records, an analog sound storage medium. Introduced by Columbia Records in 1948, it was soon adopted as a new standard by the entire record industry.
Quote: HeySlickQuote: TwoFeathersATLI grew up watching my parents having a ton of fun listening to Boots Randolf, Chet Atkins, and Floyd Cramer.
Of course they were Sinatra and Martin fans as well.
I have a stack of their old albums. What, are they called 78's or something?
Are they worth anything?
The original covers may be worth more than the vinyl.....
I was singing along with Cream, and J Airplane....
I was, still am, a very bad singer ;-(
"Go ask Alice"
I believe those old albums would be **33's
here's a link for you regarding the worthiness of old vinyl
http://www.gocontinental.com/pgde.htm
**The LP (long play), or 33 1⁄3 rpm microgroove vinyl record, is a format for phonograph (gramophone) records, an analog sound storage medium. Introduced by Columbia Records in 1948, it was soon adopted as a new standard by the entire record industry.
Precisely, that's what I meant.
I knew 78s was wrong, but couldn't find in my brain the number. 33s it is...
Quote: TwoFeathersATLQuote: HeySlickQuote: TwoFeathersATLI grew up watching my parents having a ton of fun listening to Boots Randolf, Chet Atkins, and Floyd Cramer.
Of course they were Sinatra and Martin fans as well.
I have a stack of their old albums. What, are they called 78's or something?
Are they worth anything?
The original covers may be worth more than the vinyl.....
I was singing along with Cream, and J Airplane....
I was, still am, a very bad singer ;-(
"Go ask Alice"
I believe those old albums would be **33's
here's a link for you regarding the worthiness of old vinyl
http://www.gocontinental.com/pgde.htm
**The LP (long play), or 33 1⁄3 rpm microgroove vinyl record, is a format for phonograph (gramophone) records, an analog sound storage medium. Introduced by Columbia Records in 1948, it was soon adopted as a new standard by the entire record industry.
Precisely, that's what I meant.
I knew 78s was wrong, but couldn't find in my brain the number. 33s it is...
FYI
Vintage disc records were made roughly from 1890 to 1960. They are also referred to as coarse-groove or short play (SP) records. Most commonly, vintage disc records are referred to as '78s', referring to a speed of 78 revolutions per minute (rpm).
78rpm Frequently Asked Questions - Nauck's Vintage Records
www.78rpm.com/faq.htm
But my memory sucks.
It is what it is.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLI only remember two options on the turntables.
But my memory sucks.
It is what it is.
I can remember record players (aka turntables) with 331/3 - 45's and 78 settings - then again I'm probably a lot older than most who post here - LOL! I can even remember setting pins in a bowling alley when I was in my teens for extra money. Hell! now days in bowling alleys you don't even keep your own scores - automation has taken over. Oh well, so much for the good old days.
33 1/3rds or LP's were the "Albums"; usually had 12 songs or so, 6 on a side. From the 50's. Early 33's were thick like plates, though still somewhat flexible vinyl, then they got thinner and more flexible as they improved the pressing material.
45's were the singles, and what they loaded into jukeboxes, though some jukes could play 33 1/3rds. A side was the hit, B side was the filler, though some B sides were the better song and, on rare occasions, the bigger hit. Late 40's on.
78's were the older, brittle like glass, slightly smaller than Albums, but they turned so fast they only had 1 song on each side. 20's or so. An Album of 78's came in sleeves of 4-8 records, bound like a book.
Basic turntables came with a speed switch right next to the turntable itself, marked by those numbers. Fancy turntables (70's and on) came with a red strobe pointed at spaced dots on the rim of the turntable, and you adjusted a rheostat until the dots appeared to stand still at the speed you wanted. Audiophile snobbery at its finest.
LP's came out in mono (as the other 2 did) until the early 60's, when some started coming out in stereo. Late 60's came some quadraphonic sound, but most stayed with stereo, still do.
Reel-to-reel for jazz purists and other music lovers (my dad), especially early stereo, was always a niche market but you could buy commercial reels for a premium early 60's till early 80's. 8 tracks were early 70's, cartridges with 2 stereo tracks on a long ribbon of tape in a cartridge that went through 4 times before you heard everything on it, short lived phenom (10 years or so). Cassettes were late 70's, 2 tracks each side recorded, magnetic tape. lasted through 90's. CD's took off early 80's, EP's late 80's. Vinyl retro and DJ's/scratching brought back some albums in 33 1/3 last 10 years.
All that stuff took up a lot of room. People had shelves, sometimes rooms of music. Now it's all in tiny bits of media storage like ipods, if you even have a physical copy. SMH. How the world has changed.
Quote: beachbumbabs
78's were the older, brittle like glass, slightly smaller than Albums, but they turned so fast they only had 1 song on each side. 20's or so. .
Before that there were cylinder records, played
on the hand cranked machines. I had over a
thousand of these 15 years ago, sold them all
on Ebay.
Quote: HeySlickEvery time I see/read your post I feel like I'm being lectured. IMO your input is more like a dissertation than something of worthiness. BTW the more things change, the more they stay the same --- the world hasn't really changed all that much. IMO technology has changed the way things are done i.e., easier to make those changes.
I guess this is to me? You're welcome to scroll past or ignore my posts, as is anybody. But you're being pretty rude here, whether to me or whoever else you're addressing. Why does this even need to be said? Roll your eyes and move on if you don't want to read something.
New music is still released on them, and many audiophiles believe the analog sound of an LP, played via a good high end system, far surpasses the best digital sound.
Most of my new music comes via CD, but I still play my LPs frequently.
Unlike much of the snobbishness I run into, I like this. Kinda +1 or something..
Quote: beachbumbabsI guess this is to me? You're welcome to scroll past or ignore my posts, as is anybody. But you're being pretty rude here, whether to me or whoever else you're addressing. Why does this even need to be said? Roll your eyes and move on if you don't want to read something.
The Aura within your subliminal messages really irritate/irk me at times.
Quote: HeySlickThe Aura within your subliminal messages really irritate/irk me at times.
Ummm. What?
I just say what I think. If you're reading between the lines, you're working way too hard at it.
Quote: MrVLP's are not dead.
New music is still released on them, and many audiophiles believe the analog sound of an LP, played via a good high end system, far surpasses the best digital sound..
Reminded me of documentary piece on extreme audiophiles and the lengths they go to. Funny or weird or both.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs1aUws0Lrs
Quote: beachbumbabsUmmm. What?
I just say what I think. If you're reading between the lines, you're working way too hard at it.
I actually thought the poster was dissing EB initially.
Now I have no clue.
So what's new?
"go ask Alice, I think she'll know......
When logic, and proportion, have fallen, I'll be"
Darn, I'm singing acid songs from the sixties and seventies again, not a good sign....
I'm also still in love with Grace.
Quote: HeySlickThe Aura within your subliminal messages really irritate/irk me at times.
How rude you are to the only woman who posts
here on a regular basis. And you're not a kid, you
were in Vietnam. You must be in your 60's.
Babs has a genius IQ and is smarter than most
women you'll meet. She has a certain way of
posting that's dry and matter of fact because
she's a very precise person. She has lots of
interests and likes to share them, so what.
Quote:Reminded me of documentary piece on extreme audiophiles and the lengths they go to. Funny or weird or both.
Neither funny nor weird: just people trying to get the best sound possible within their budget.
Oh BBB, you were wrong when you said " Fancy turntables (70's and on) came with a red strobe pointed at spaced dots on the rim of the turntable, and you adjusted a rheostat until the dots appeared to stand still at the speed you wanted. Audiophile snobbery at its finest."
"Fancy," i.e. well-engineered, well made, and good sounding turntables most certainly DO NOT use a strobe/dots system, and haven't for decades.
No, that (strobe) was the purview of direct drive turntables, which are inferior to the better designs.
For many years now quality turntables have been belt-driven; some use a form of fancy, thick string in lieu of a belt, but they cannot be speed adjusted as the old direct drives could, therefore a strobe/dots would be worthless.
No card-carrying audiophile snob would be caught dead with a direct drive turntable in his listening room.
I would invite you to pick up a copy of "The Absolute Sound" if you wish to learn more about this subject.
http://www.newsweek.com/why-vinyl-has-made-comeback-323135
Would post more, but busy cleaning my 8 track player.
Quote: MrVNeither funny nor weird: just people trying to get the best sound possible within their budget.
.
Sure if you consider the science of acoustics, mixed in with hype and imagination and some large outlays of investment. (for the time).
Specs don't mean much to me.
The latest and greatest: meh: I own some gear which incorporates vacuum tubes.
Trust your ears.
Quote: MrVNeither funny nor weird: just people trying to get the best sound possible within their budget.
Oh BBB, you were wrong when you said " Fancy turntables (70's and on) came with a red strobe pointed at spaced dots on the rim of the turntable, and you adjusted a rheostat until the dots appeared to stand still at the speed you wanted. Audiophile snobbery at its finest."
"Fancy," i.e. well-engineered, well made, and good sounding turntables most certainly DO NOT use a strobe/dots system, and haven't for decades.
No, that (strobe) was the purview of direct drive turntables, which are inferior to the better designs.
For many years now quality turntables have been belt-driven; some use a form of fancy, thick string in lieu of a belt, but they cannot be speed adjusted as the old direct drives could, therefore a strobe/dots would be worthless.
No card-carrying audiophile snob would be caught dead with a direct drive turntable in his listening room.
I would invite you to pick up a copy of "The Absolute Sound" if you wish to learn more about this subject.
Not disagreeing with you on the turntables now, which I don't know much about; I was referring to what was being sold as top quality in the 70's, vs. the switched turntables everybody had till then. The turntables now still have the little dots (metallic squares a lot of time), but I don't know that they're anything more than decoration these days. I may look up the reference some time, thanks.
Quote: EvenBobHow rude you are ...
Babs has a genius IQ and is smarter than most
women you'll meet. She has a certain way of
posting that's dry and matter of fact because
she's a very precise person. She has lots of
interests and likes to share them, so what.
OK, BBB, let that sink in. This from EvenBob!
So I'll pile on.
I think Sinatra was a draft-dodger. I have to guess he was hanging out with a bunch of jerks who told him 'smart guys get out of the draft', and told him how to do it. He possibly went in and convinced the doctors he was nuts, but it is also possible he bribed somebody. A few years later he seemed to be greatly regret all this, and it affected him the rest of his life. An FBI investigation looked into it, that's released now. In the FBI report it is revealed the draft board decided his "fear of crowds" that he reported was a factor. Give me a break, Frank!
Wikipedia won't go as far as I just did:
Quote:Sinatra did not serve in the military during World War II. On December 11, 1943, he was officially classified 4-F ("Registrant not acceptable for military service") by his draft board because of a perforated eardrum. However, army files reported that Sinatra was "not acceptable material from a psychiatric viewpoint", but his emotional instability was hidden to avoid "undue unpleasantness for both the selectee and the induction service". Briefly, there were rumors reported by columnist Walter Winchell that Sinatra paid $40,000 to avoid the service, but the FBI found this to be without merit
Quote: GreasyjohnBarbara Marx, Frank's wife 4th wife from 1976 until his passing in 1998 is still alive at 88-years-old. But get this, his first wife, Nancy Barbato, is still alive at 98-years-old (at least she was as per an article written 9-months-ago).
As of October 2015, Nancy Barbato Sinatra is still living, having celebrated her 98th birthday (on Sept. 11th).
My Technics turntable circa 1978 is belt driven with a strobe and speed adjustment. Still works great.Quote: MrVFor many years now quality turntables have been belt-driven; some use a form of fancy, thick string in lieu of a belt, but they cannot be speed adjusted as the old direct drives could, therefore a strobe/dots would be worthless.
Quote: HeySlickAs of October 2015, Nancy Barbato Sinatra is still living, having celebrated her 98th birthday (on Sept. 11th).
Frank treated Nancy like crap, cheated on her
constantly. He had a list of starlets in H-wood
in the 40's and he wanted to have sex with them
one by one.
Frank had a 'big' problem. He was hung like the
proverbial horse. Ava Gardner used to say about
him that he weighed 120 pounds, and 20 pounds
of it was, well, you know. His former valet wrote
a book a few years ago and said the first time he
saw Frank naked he actually gasped, and took a
step backwards.
Guys who are born like that always have something
to prove with the ladies.
Quote: EvenBobFrank treated Nancy like crap, cheated on her
constantly. He had a list of starlets in H-wood
in the 40's and he wanted to have sex with them
one by one.
Frank had a 'big' problem. He was hung like the
proverbial horse. Ava Gardner used to say about
him that he weighed 120 pounds, and 20 pounds
of it was, well, you know. His former valet wrote
a book a few years ago and said the first time he
saw Frank naked he actually gasped, and took a
step backwards.
Guys who are born like that always have something
to prove with the ladies.
I was going write about the Ava Gardner story you mention, but I heard it a slightly different way. My understanding is that John Ford said on the set of Mogambo something like, "What do you see in that 120 pound runt?" And Ava said something like "Frank's only 10 pound, the rest of it is c**k." Ava Gardner was attractive but with that statement she loses a lot of points.
One of my favorite memories of Frank Sinatra is that scene in Some Came Running where he takes the hair clip from the hair of actress Martha Hyer. Tippi Hedren's got nothin' on her, and they're cut from the same cloth. Now, Rita Hayworth in the Lady From Shanghai. Or, Kim Novak in Vertigo.
Quote: GreasyjohnI was going write about the Ava Gardner story you mention, but I heard it a slightly different way. My understanding is that John Ford said on the set of Mogambo something like, "What do you see in that 120 pound runt?" And Ava said something like "Frank's only 10 pound, the rest of it is c**k." Ava Gardner was attractive but with that statement she looses a lot of points.
She told the joke a lot of different ways.
And having a foul mouth was Ava's thing
in private. She was raised dirt poor in the
South and swore like a dock worker. A
very bright woman, nonetheless. She had a
terribly thick Southern accent, and got
rid of it in no time with a coach. She had
a high IQ and a terrible inferiority complex.
Quote: GreasyjohnI was going write about the Ava Gardner story you mention, but I heard it a slightly different way. My understanding is that John Ford said on the set of Mogambo something like, "What do you see in that 120 pound runt?" And Ava said something like "Frank's only 10 pound, the rest of it is c**k."
His publicity agent may have had stories like those circulated to improve his image as a man after he was dumped and humiliated by Gardner, who went to Spain and resumed her affairs with bullfighters.
El Pais
She is also alleged to have said that "Being with him was like being with a woman".
In 1983, he demanded that a female Korean dealer in AC, deal the cards by hand from a single deck instead of six.
When she hesitated, he yelled, "If you don't want to play one deck, go back to China".
The woman received permission from the PB and dealt the cards as the singer demanded.
She and the PB were suspended. The casino was fined and the singing dirtbag got a letter of apology.
Golden Nugget
He was exempt from military service due to a punctured eardrum.
It was rumored that he paid $40,000 for that exemption, but it was never proven.
Exemption
We had a family member who was born one year after Sinatra.
Despite having a glass eye, he was drafted and sent to Texas to serve in a supply detail.
Too bad he couldn't sing.
Quote: TankoHis publicity agent may have had stories like those circulated to improve his image as a man after he was dumped and humiliated by Gardner, who went to Spain and resumed her affairs with bullfighters.
Many people who knew Ava heard the joke
about how much Frank's member weighed,
she told it a lot when she was drunk. Which
was all the time.
Quote:She is also alleged to have said that "Being with him was like being with a woman".
.
Ava loved macho men, like bullfighters. She had no
respect for a man that let a woman get under his
skin. Frank wanted Ava to love him so much, he
often made a fool out of himself with her. She
would tell him to quit acting like a woman and
then he would get really mad.
Ava was something. Nancy Jr, Frank's daughter,
has said Ava was the most feminine woman she
ever knew. She drove men insane, even with her
foul mouth.
Quote: GreasyjohnSpeaking of Sinatra I'm reminded of another "cock of the walk," Porfirio Rubirosa.
I always thought "Uncle Milty" Milton Berle and Forrest Tucker were rumored to be the "biggest" men in Hollywood.
Why I know that is scary.
Quote: BozI always thought "Uncle Milty" Milton Berle and Forrest Tucker were rumored to be the "biggest" men in Hollywood.
.
Milton is rumored to be the king in
that dept. He said it made women
cry, for a variety of reasons.
