DavisP
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November 17th, 2015 at 7:27:01 AM permalink
Hi, my survey is about roulette strategies, I am doing it for my studies.
I have no time to do deep research, but I have found an article (link deleted)
Romes
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November 17th, 2015 at 7:59:52 AM permalink
There are no winning roulette strategies as every bet on the board has a negative expectation, similar to craps.

Your first post on the site linking out to "winning-roulette-strategies" doesn't look good... FYI.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
teliot
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November 17th, 2015 at 9:32:35 AM permalink
IMO, this is a SPAM post meant to drive traffic to an online casino affiliate site. That said, this is my favorite sentence from the linked article:

"If we look at strategy, it is simple: the probability of each outcome of the two is 50% averagely."
Climate Casino: https://climatecasino.net/climate-casino/
Romes
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November 17th, 2015 at 10:02:39 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

"If we look at strategy, it is simple: the probability of each outcome of the two is 50% averagely."

lol I didn't even click it because it just reeks of spam to me as well, but wow that sentence... "Either your Blackjack wins or it doesn't... 50%, averagely."
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
djatc
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November 17th, 2015 at 10:04:17 AM permalink
Play every number and odd numbers. Damn the math only nerds care about that
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Romes
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November 17th, 2015 at 10:06:40 AM permalink
Quote: djatc

Play every number and odd numbers. Damn the math only nerds care about that

Well if you play every number you can't lose!
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
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November 17th, 2015 at 10:41:02 AM permalink
The bestest roulette strategery evah, from Mike Caro:

http://www.poker1.com/archives/1534/caro%E2%80%99s-roulette-system-1-expained

Quote:

Caro’s Roulette System #1

First, never bet simply red or black. Also don’t bet odd or even. These are equally poor, consistently losing wagers.

Second, don’t be suckered into betting zero or double zero, despite what some experts may suggest. This may seem like you’re betting with the house, but for technical reasons you are actually betting against the house — and you are taking the worst of it.

So, in order to negate the house advantage, you MUST stick to straight non-green number bets. All odd red numbers turn out to be bad choices, based on over two trillion computer trials. Don’t bet them.

All even black numbers fair poorly, and cannot be bet, for much the same reason, which I won’t explain here.

Let’s get straight to the money-saving advice. Any bet you decide to make MUST cover only even-red or odd-black numbers. There are no exceptions.

Finally, you need to be very disciplined in excluding the number 30 and the group of consecutive numbers that begins with 11 and continues clockwise through and including 14.

This system may seem mystical, but I take gambling quite seriously, and this works for me.

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EvenBob
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November 17th, 2015 at 11:35:09 AM permalink
One of the most ridiculous and poorly written
articles I've ever read. It was either translated
from another language, or the author speaks
poor English. Whole paragraphs made no
sense at all. Just about every 'strategy' is
totally useless in a real casino.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
TheGrimReaper13
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November 17th, 2015 at 11:39:13 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

One of the most ridiculous and poorly written
articles I've ever read. It was either translated
from another language, or the author speaks
poor English. Whole paragraphs made no
sense at all. Just about every 'strategy' is
totally useless in a real casino.

It wasn't written to be taken seriously. Or to be "politicized" by the so-called gambling experts.
So much bullshit; so little time!
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November 17th, 2015 at 11:43:17 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

One of the most ridiculous and poorly written
articles I've ever read. It was either translated
from another language, or the author speaks
poor English. Whole paragraphs made no
sense at all. Just about every 'strategy' is
totally useless in a real casino.

For someone that claims to beat roulette You obviously dont understand it as well as you claim.

Please don't, backtrack it's obvious you thought this was a real system
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 17th, 2015 at 11:49:22 AM permalink
Quote: TheGrimReaper13

It wasn't written to be taken seriously. Or to be "politicized" by the so-called gambling experts.

You beat me to it, I didn't see your post while I had the respond box open. It was painfully obvious that there was no betting going on, how could anyone who has any roulette experience not see that?

BTW Bob, Mike C. is a genius
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
EvenBob
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November 17th, 2015 at 11:54:21 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Please don't, backtrack it's obvious you thought this was a real system

It's far too poorly written to be a spoof.
I've seen way too many articles like this
one that have serious intent, they think
this stuff works.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
Romes
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November 17th, 2015 at 11:58:58 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

...BTW Bob, Mike C. is a genius

There's a phenomenal quote from Phil Hellmuth about how they called Mike Caro the "Mad Genius" of poker... Phil States: "He's called the Mad Genius of poker for some reason... Well how many 'mad tournaments' has he won? Zero."

YouTube has failed me in finding this gem.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
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November 17th, 2015 at 11:59:22 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

It's far too poorly written to be a spoof.
I've seen way too many articles like this
one that have serious intent, they think
this stuff works.

WOW you may need to actually look at a roulette wheel then read it again.

Then go buy some muffler bearings
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
EvenBob
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November 17th, 2015 at 12:03:37 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

WOW you may need to actually look at a roulette wheel then read it again.

Numbers 10, 11, and 12 are all sound suggestions.
Especially 12, I know people who use visual ballistics
to beat roulette all over the world. Takes a very long
time to learn to do it well, and a large BR.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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November 17th, 2015 at 12:17:03 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Numbers 10, 11, and 12 are all sound suggestions.
Especially 12, I know people who use visual ballistics
to beat roulette all over the world. Takes a very long
time to learn to do it well, and a large BR.

Just play the four corners around 14. No visual ballistics required. Don't get too greedy or you'll attract heat.
Romes
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November 17th, 2015 at 12:22:16 PM permalink
Quote: Sabretom2

Just play the four corners around 14. No visual ballistics required. Don't get too greedy or you'll attract heat.

Just throw \$1 zero double zero split... That'll throw them off your trail!
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November 17th, 2015 at 12:45:58 PM permalink
Methinks for Mr. Bob the Caro system might generate too much action.

But for anyone else, it is obviously flawless.
Quote: Mike Caro

In saying that my system could cut the house edge to literally zero, I chose the word “literally” quite carefully. It means that “zero” is to be taken precisely to mean “zero.” If you follow the instructions exactly, all bets are eliminated. You can sit and watch the wheel spin forever, but you will never make a bet...

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EvenBob
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November 17th, 2015 at 12:49:11 PM permalink

Methinks for Mr. Bob the Caro system might generate too much action.

The Caro Roulette Strategy is bunk, it's
worthless.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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November 17th, 2015 at 12:53:32 PM permalink
Why yes, indeed it is. It is worth precisely zero. Which is worth less, in losses, than anything you'd be doing at a roulette wheel, in the unlikely event you actually entered a casino some day.
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EvenBob
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November 17th, 2015 at 12:56:10 PM permalink

in the unlikely event you actually entered a casino some day.

Oh, I get it now.

Never mind, you just want to cause trouble.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:02:40 PM permalink
It was no trouble for anyone else, Bob. In the ten years or so since it has been passed around after Caro published this little satirical joke on the idea of playing roulette in his column in a national poker magazine, nobody yet I've ever seen has had any trouble at all seeing that it meant "make no bets at a roulette wheel." Until today. Who could've guessed that our Bobster would have that unique honor? Hey, maybe I'm psychic!
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:03:31 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

There's a phenomenal quote from Phil Hellmuth about how they called Mike Caro the "Mad Genius" of poker... Phil States: "He's called the Mad Genius of poker for some reason... Well how many 'mad tournaments' has he won? Zero."

YouTube has failed me in finding this gem.

I didn't say specifically poker. I don't think he even plays many poker tournaments. His books and poker theory/psychology back then were very innovative to say the least.
He has helped change the way people thought about poker. He's had a lot of firsts. helped change
At one time he was considered one of the best draw poker players in the world. Doyle says the best, but that's not something we can prove.

He has many accomplishments

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Caro (this doesn't do him justice)
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
beachbumbabs
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:09:23 PM permalink
well, that's 3 pages on a spammer, so I'm going to disable the link and leave the thread up.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:12:15 PM permalink
Never mind the books or the bio or any of that, he's pwned Mr. Bob without trying, so he must be a mega-genius. Or something.
Suck dope, watch TV, make up stuff, be somebody on the internet.
AxelWolf
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:14:38 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Oh, I get it now.

Never mind, you just want to cause trouble.

Sorry Bob but if you knew a roulette wheel you would've understood it immediately. It's like saying you should always bet on red 38

Even if you never play roulette it was obvious.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
EvenBob
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:16:34 PM permalink
An old and fun strategy is to wait for
a number to repeat once. Bet one unit
on it to repeat again. If another number
repeats while you're betting, switch to
that number to repeat again. You'll
be surprized how many times this works.
You can't win long term, it's just a fun
bet selection.

Remember Mr JJJ? He played something
like this for years, on a grander scale, and
progression. He's since graduated to other
strategies and is still winning. Just thinking
about his progression gives me pause. If
it fails I think he's out \$4K. But he has a
huge BR so he can take failure once in awhile.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
EvenBob
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:19:31 PM permalink

It was no trouble for anyone else, Bob. In the ten years or so since it has been passed around after Caro published this little satirical joke on the idea of playing roulette in his column

Never seen that. I've only come across it
being taken seriously, like here:

http://www.ruleto.com/system/caro-roulette-system/
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
EvenBob
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:21:32 PM permalink

Never mind the books or the bio or any of that, he's pwned Mr. Bob without trying, so he must be a mega-genius. Or something.

Sorry, no. I don't know who the guy
is or the history of what he does, why
should I. I don't play systems, I invented
my own method.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
AxelWolf
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:23:37 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

An old and fun strategy is to wait for
a number to repeat once. Bet one unit
on it to repeat again. If another number
repeats while you're betting, switch to
that number to repeat again. You'll
be surprized how many times this works.
You can't win long term, it's just a fun
bet selection.

Remember Mr JJJ? He played something
like this for years, on a grander scale, and
progression. He's since graduated to other
strategies and is still winning. Just thinking
about his progression gives me pause. If
it fails I think he's out \$4K. But he has a
huge BR so he can take failure once in awhile.

Who's confirming that he's winning? I can't just take peoples word for it, especially when it comes to gambling. Do you know how many people claim they always win in Vegas? If I only had a nickel ...

You should know that. We have people telling fish stories on here almost daily.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
EvenBob
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:24:52 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Sorry Bob but if you knew a roulette wheel you would've understood it immediately. It's like saying you should always bet on red 38

Understood what immediately? What are you
taking about. You think that strategy list
was a spoof? I guarantee the person who
wrote it was serious. He thinks he was giving
good advice. You see things like that on
gambling forums all the time, especially
from players in S America. You really need
to get out more..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
AxelWolf
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:26:33 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Never seen that. I've only come across it
being taken seriously, like here:

http://www.ruleto.com/system/caro-roulette-system/

You just have to know a roulette wheel.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
EvenBob
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:28:42 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Who's confirming that he's winning? I can't just take peoples word for it, especially when it comes to gambling..

I know Ken, I've met him in Milwaukee. I've
seen him do it. He has gonads of steel. He's
been posting on various forums for 10
years. He's as valid as the sun rising in the
morning. Like I've said, if you have a decent
bet selection, a good progression will take
you a long way.

He doesn't care who believes him or not, why
should he. He just loves to win at roulette.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
EvenBob
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:30:15 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

You just have to know a roulette wheel.

I still have no idea what this means. Why
do you keep saying it. Know it's name?
Know what it's made from? What?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:36:34 PM permalink
This one does have a name, because it is a very 'special' sort of wheel. It is the Dunning-Kruger roulette wheel.
Suck dope, watch TV, make up stuff, be somebody on the internet.
RS
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:37:49 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I know Ken, I've met him in Milwaukee. I've
seen him do it. He has gonads of steel. He's
been posting on various forums for 10
years. He's as valid as the sun rising in the
morning. Like I've said, if you have a decent
bet selection, a good progression will take
you a long way.

He doesn't care who believes him or not, why
should he. He just loves to win at roulette.

Is this your internet-friend who's a farmer in Iowa?
JimRockford
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:37:56 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Understood what immediately? What are you
taking about. You think that strategy list
was a spoof? I guarantee the person who
wrote it was serious. He thinks he was giving
good advice. You see things like that on
gambling forums all the time, especially
from players in S America. You really need
to get out more..

Are you talking about the article linked by the OP or the Caro strategy? When you say poor English and refer to a strategy list it sounds like you are talking about the OP's article.
"Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things." -- Isaac Newton
EvenBob
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:45:49 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Is this your internet-friend who's a farmer in Iowa?

Milwaukee is in WI, buy a map. Ken
only plays at one casino.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
TheGrimReaper13
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:47:23 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Numbers 10, 11, and 12 are all sound suggestions.
Especially 12, I know people who use visual ballistics
to beat roulette all over the world. Takes a very long
time to learn to do it well, and a large BR.

If you have the bucks, go and enjoy your life. At any rate, you'll never even double up over a "very long time to learn".
So much bullshit; so little time!
TheGrimReaper13
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:48:24 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Milwaukee is in WI, buy a map. Ken
only plays at one casino.

Ken, aka Mr J, is a systems player.
So much bullshit; so little time!
Ibeatyouraces
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:50:50 PM permalink
Quote: TheGrimReaper13

Ken, aka Mr J, is a systems player.

No no no! He's a "method" player. *snickers*
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
Ibeatyouraces
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:52:30 PM permalink
I thought EB once said he doesn't meet people from the "net".
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
RS
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:54:49 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Milwaukee is in WI, buy a map. Ken
only plays at one casino.

Thanks for the geography lesson, because you have to meet someone at their home, right?
rsactuary
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:56:01 PM permalink
This thread should be nominated for Thread of the Year. It is HILARIOUS!!!!
RS
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:57:06 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I thought EB once said he doesn't meet people from the "net".

Yes. I think he said he prefers Internet-relationships than IRL ones.

He's also a winning roulette player!
EvenBob
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November 17th, 2015 at 2:04:15 PM permalink
Quote: TheGrimReaper13

Ken, aka Mr J, is a systems player.

And proud of it. He might hit the brick
wall someday, but so far he's doing
quite well. It'll take back to back to
back to back losses of his progression
to do him in, he might not live long
enough for that to happen. A good
bet selection will take you a long way
in roulette.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
Ibeatyouraces
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November 17th, 2015 at 2:06:00 PM permalink
Sureeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
RS
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November 17th, 2015 at 2:32:15 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

And proud of it. He might hit the brick
wall someday, but so far he's doing
quite well. It'll take back to back to
back to back losses of his progression
to do him in, he might not live long
enough for that to happen. A good
bet selection will take you a long way
in roulette.

Which bets are good to select?

Like you, I'm also a lifetime net winner at roulette. Probably not as much as you, though. You must have more experience than I do, as I've played very little.

I like betting on black (I know, goes against my morals), 20, and 2/3 split.

Are these good or bad bets.

Btw, I'm not lying. I am actually a net winner at roulette.
EvenBob
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November 17th, 2015 at 2:47:38 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Which bets are good to select?

Ken uses variations of hot and cold
numbers. I think he plays mostly hot
now, cold numbers can really kill you.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
AxelWolf