Is the forum dying?
Quote: HowManyWhere did everybody go?
Yeah, I understand that we are undergoing some changes. I get that. However, it sure seems the forum is dying a slow and painful death. So it isn't so.
When I visit, not much has changed since the previous day. Apparently people aren't posting much anymore. Or am I wrong?
I hope everybody comes back, and we can return to the good ole days.
When I first read this I thought no way is the forum dying. I'm not so sure now. Something does seem off. Perhaps it's the summer doldrums, perhaps it's something more serious. Time will tell. Let me know when the suggestion box is open.
In the meantime I share your hope for the good ole days although there are those who will say that these are the good ole days.
The result is a civil, polite but mostly empty site. I understand there are spammers and ugly trolls out there, but there must be a happy medium. Repeat : WOV is at the far end of the spectrum when it comes to suspending and banning people. You've done the experiment and have created a polite civil site and now you can observe the result of the experiment: a dead or dieing site.
I was so, so excited when I first found the WOV forums because I thought it would be a place to exchange ideas with other mathematical game analysts and with the wizard. What I found was:
- whenever I posted a mathematical correction to something that the Wizard has posted, the Wizard never, ever, ever acknowledges my post and never responds. This is so disappointing. After awhile you just say "screw it" and spend your time somewhere else.
- Whenever someone posts a mathematical puzzle, the Wizard jumps on and immediately posts the answer, like some hyperactive prima donna. I get it -he's on the site almost constantly and he's good at solving puzzles. But it drains all the fun out of the community discussing the mathematical puzzle. The Wizard effectively closes down every thread that offers a mathematical puzzle.
- The community of people who post here was already atrophied by the time I joined in Feb 2015. There is just not enough chat.
Quote: 1BBTime for some changes?
Time to ban PMs. djatc says he only wants AP plays, but everyone on this forum says to only PM AP plays and PMs kill open forums.
I find the Vegas Message Board to be very informative and very polite, so they can go hand in hand.
Lets be honest, most of the people who end up on the Suspension List are for non gambling topics. So what type of forum does the Wizard of Vegas want to be?
Quote: zoobrewTime to ban PMs. djatc says he only wants AP plays, but everyone on this forum says to only PM AP plays and PMs kill open forums.
I find the Vegas Message Board to be very informative and very polite, so they can go hand in hand.
Lets be honest, most of the people who end up on the Suspension List are for non gambling topics. So what type of forum does the Wizard of Vegas want to be?
Well the stuff that is written about good plays are usually hidden in pages of junk, so I'm not too concerned about people finding it. Of course I don't want them plastered on the forum, so somebody else will burn it out. I'm just saying I don't do much posting anymore and do a lot more lurking.
Quote: 1BBWhen I first read this I thought no way is the forum dying. I'm not so sure now. Something does seem off. Perhaps it's the summer doldrums, perhaps it's something more serious. Time will tell. Let me know when the suggestion box is open.
In the meantime I share your hope for the good ole days although there are those who will say that these are the good ole days.
You don't really believe all of that, do you? There are a lot of new people, younger people, but with whom the older folk have less patience.
Quote: gordonm888I've said this before: there are far more people on the suspension list than there are people who are active on the site. This is the most controlling site I have ever been on with the strictest standards I have ever seen against nasty words and insulting people.
The result is a civil, polite but mostly empty site. I understand there are spammers and ugly trolls out there, but there must be a happy medium. Repeat : WOV is at the far end of the spectrum when it comes to suspending and banning people. You've done the experiment and have created a polite civil site and now you can observe the result of the experiment: a dead or dieing site.
I was so, so excited when I first found the WOV forums because I thought it would be a place to exchange ideas with other mathematical game analysts and with the wizard. What I found was:
- whenever I posted a mathematical correction to something that the Wizard has posted, the Wizard never, ever, ever acknowledges my post and never responds. This is so disappointing. After awhile you just say "screw it" and spend your time somewhere else.
- Whenever someone posts a mathematical puzzle, the Wizard jumps on and immediately posts the answer, like some hyperactive prima donna. I get it -he's on the site almost constantly and he's good at solving puzzles. But it drains all the fun out of the community discussing the mathematical puzzle. The Wizard effectively closes down every thread that offers a mathematical puzzle.
- The community of people who post here was already atrophied by the time I joined in Feb 2015. There is just not enough chat.
Thanks for that bit of effort.
I agree with everything except the puzzle bit. When a person jumps in early, he tends to make mistakes and overlook the more interesting possibilities. Would've been nice to have more experts, perhaps like yourself, from time to time. But, I sensed from the start, years ago, that this place wasn't about altruistic math problem solving and discussion. I could post up something really interesting, http://www.researchgate.net/post/Why_do_you_need_imaginary_numbers_to_describe_Quantum_Mechanics2 , eg, in the thread about inventing math versus discovering math, and try to add something from my own experience, but for some reason the "experts" would quickly set about dissing me in trivial ways. Do you have to be a staunch "supporter" of Mike and his casino associations, and the whole nine yards of bending over to be taken seriously, or in good fun, here?
It's my belief that a few people thought they were going to get filthy rich by going this route. But it didn't work out that way, especially for sometime now. There were a lot of telltale signs of this all along (in my opinion), none of which makes much difference now. A bit maddening at the time, but now that I think on it, it just doesn't matter anymore. Starting to feel sorry for them.
Quote: RSIndeed. No new information or information worthwhile. Seems like it's a bunch of random talking and rambling.
Oh, to be young again and believe that everything is possible! No thanks.
10's of thousands of posts. Forums all have one
thing in common, they never stay the same
forever. Some wither and die even though
they've been around for years.
Gambling forums all have an expiration date.
You run out of stuff to say after it's all been
said a dozen times. The hardcore group of
25 or 30 active posters get bored and the
newer members can't take up the slack.
Is that happening here? Of course.
Quote: DoubleOrNothingOh, to be young again and believe that everything is possible! No thanks.
Can you elaborate?
Wizard—6 posts this month (he has over 12,000 posts recorded)
Face—5 posts this month (over 3,000 since joining)
BBB—103 posts out of over 5,600
DJTB—20 or so posts of 8,719
JB—1 post of almost 2,000
I know these weren't always the most active posters but it is telling that only one has significant posts this month so far. It is also strange that the Wizard himself has so few; perhaps he is on vacation or something.
The lack of posts could all be the summer doldrums but it also has been a bad couple of months for any legitimate new members due to the whole saga of the guy who won't go away. People get blown up, the suspension list never gets updated any more, etc. I think a moderator who blows some one up should take time to add the name and offense (with the final post link) to the table. If it is important enough to blow them up, why not put them on the list.
The forum change was not all that smooth and that did not help. The forum was so slow for several days I am sure that people moved on and either will come back and check it out later or may be gone for good. Any change to a forum can be an a rocky one can be really bad. I've seen forums split over it.
Quote: gordonm888I've said this before: there are far more people on the suspension list than there are people who are active on the site. This is the most controlling site I have ever been on with the strictest standards I have ever seen against nasty words and insulting people.
The result is a civil, polite but mostly empty site. I understand there are spammers and ugly trolls out there, but there must be a happy medium. Repeat : WOV is at the far end of the spectrum when it comes to suspending and banning people. You've done the experiment and have created a polite civil site and now you can observe the result of the experiment: a dead or dieing site.
I was so, so excited when I first found the WOV forums because I thought it would be a place to exchange ideas with other mathematical game analysts and with the wizard. What I found was:
- whenever I posted a mathematical correction to something that the Wizard has posted, the Wizard never, ever, ever acknowledges my post and never responds. This is so disappointing. After awhile you just say "screw it" and spend your time somewhere else.
- Whenever someone posts a mathematical puzzle, the Wizard jumps on and immediately posts the answer, like some hyperactive prima donna. I get it -he's on the site almost constantly and he's good at solving puzzles. But it drains all the fun out of the community discussing the mathematical puzzle. The Wizard effectively closes down every thread that offers a mathematical puzzle.
- The community of people who post here was already atrophied by the time I joined in Feb 2015. There is just not enough chat.
Your observation that this site is dying and concluding that it is due to the 'experiment' of over suspending offenders is probably misguided. I do agree the site appears to have less activity that is purely gambling related than the site had in prior years. But it's not due to the suspending of irresponsible users.
Back a few years ago there were a number of threads with good gambling topics, and a lot of discussion around calculating the house edge on any number of games. There were quite a few threads on casino comps as well. But a few people could not avoid arguing with each other in every thread. It was getting very disruptive and was on the verge of driving people away. So the 'decorum rules' were put into place, to keep the site an inviting place.
This worked well for another couple of years, but then the malcontents started overwhelming the site. 90% of the people suspended never offered one single good thing to the forum, and many were suspended before they were here for more than a couple of months. Many more are reincarnations of a few very disturbed people who can't resist proving they can keep coming back with new names. Just people looking to create trouble, not really interested in participating in good gambling discussions.
As has been already posted, the more likely reason for the decline, is that after 6 years, most of the good topics have already been discussed a half dozen times by now. So in the past, if you asked why BJ that pays 6:5 is worse than BJ that pays 3:2, there would be 10 people all responding with their different math approaches. But after doing that for 3 years, the topic gets stale, and fewer people respond when someone new starts a thread with that topic.
When you are new to a forum, searching the archives is a PITA, but almost always, there is already a thread with your answers.
Ironically, I find the value in this forum now is the fact that the site does not require strict adherence to gambling topics, although I believe some tie to gambling should be in evidence.
My bigger issue at this point is I just don't care at all for this new forum format. It is fairly common for people to resist change, so I am trying to remain neutral and wait for the new format to grow on me. But so far no luck. The white page is like a needle in my eye, and the dark option is a disaster on my PC. Blue text on grey background is actually worse than the white (IMO). At this point I would say if I were to stop visiting WoV, it will probably be due to the new page format, as opposed to content issues.
Quote: RaleighCrapsYour observation that this site is dying and concluding that it is due to the 'experiment' of over suspending offenders is probably misguided.
I tend to agree.
look bored to death. Talking about gambling is
even more boring. Casinos are boring. They're
mostly full of old people with too much time
on their hands.
This was an exciting place when we went round
and round with Jerry, and Mr J, and Ahigh. When
we had 30 page threads arguing with Dan about
how AP's are cheaters. Just recently there would
be 10 pages of comments on Ace's TR's. All that
stuff is gone, that's what's wrong.
Quote: EvenBobGambling is boring, ever watch people play? They
look bored to death. Talking about gambling is
even more boring. Casinos are boring. They're
mostly full of old people with too much time
on their hands.
This was an exciting place when we went round
and round with Jerry, and Mr J, and Ahigh. When
we had 30 page threads arguing with Dan about
how AP's are cheaters. Just recently there would
be 10 pages of comments on Ace's TR's. All that
stuff is gone, that's what's wrong.
Jerry and MKL were interesting until they started taking over EVERY thread that was started with their fight. At that point it was nothing more than completely disruptive. Had they stayed in there own thread, both would probably still be here, and they would have the longest thread, just the two of them posting against each other. But even that would be boring long before now.
Dan and the APs have had their discussions. Both sides have said their piece multiple times, and neither side is going to change their belief. I agree it was great reading, but even Ali and Fraiser got old after 3 fights........
Losing AoS hurt because at least his trip reports were never going to get stale. But his was a case of sharing too much information publicly, and as it was not controlled, it got into the wrong hands. If AoS had managed to stay more anonymous, he may still be posting here.
I tend to agree.Quote: RaleighCrapsThe white page is like a needle in my eye, and the dark option is a disaster on my PC. Blue text on grey background is actually worse than the white (IMO). At this point I would say if I were to stop visiting WoV, it will probably be due to the new page format, as opposed to content issues.
Quote: EvenBobWhen we had 30 page threads arguing with Dan about
how AP's are cheaters.
Wait!...AP's are cheaters?? Tell me more about this. Dan is this true? :/
Quote: zoobrewTime to ban PMs. djatc says he only wants AP plays, but everyone on this forum says to only PM AP plays and PMs kill open forums.
I find the Vegas Message Board to be very informative and very polite, so they can go hand in hand.
Lets be honest, most of the people who end up on the Suspension List are for non gambling topics. So what type of forum does the Wizard of Vegas want to be?
I post more often on VMB now too because of the general atmosphere. And VMB is moderated exactly the opposite than here. Offensive comments are always deleted and penalties are handed out in private with no public debate or shaming. And one big rule they take very seriously. NO Politics! However, I feel most political discussion here is quite civil and isn't a huge problem. I think the bigger problem is most suspensions being plainly obvious. I understand Mike's idea about the "suspension list" in theory, but I feel it's occasionally led to a faction of "angry offenders" that made it their mission to troll the forum even more because they were shunned.
Quote: RaleighCraps
Losing AoS hurt because at least his trip reports were never going to get stale. But his was a case of sharing too much information publicly, and as it was not controlled, it got into the wrong hands. If AoS had managed to stay more anonymous, he may still be posting here.
Reading those were tough for me. He seemed so angry in almost every TR. I'm a bit surprised they got so many responses.
AoC was cool too.Quote: RaleighCraps,,,Losing AoS hurt because at least his trip reports were never going to get stale.
I believe he left, thinking his personal info could be disclosed, AFAIK
I didn't think so at the time, but I can see now it added quite a bit to have that. He needs to be replaced!
Some of it has to do with the owners no longer holding the high moral ground.
I had a lot of respect for the Wiz.
He tried to educate gamblers.
He looked out for gamblers providing all kinds of strategy and listing of different casinos and their edge in BJ.
The Wiz educated gamblers so they knew exactly what the odds are and what the strategy should be.
Because of this, I wanted to see the forum flourish.
The new owners do not hold the higher moral ground.
The bonus stuff bothers me because to me its bait and switch.
Its advertised as a welcome but in reality its an entire bankroll grab by the online casino.
They created a system where you accept the bonus , the odds are the online casino will keep your ENTIRE deposit.
When I walk into a casino, my bankroll is mine no matter what promotion the casino is offering.
No gaming regulator in a brick and mortar casino would ever approve this bonus system.
This bonus system would be totally illegal in a regular brick and mortar casino.
Because of the new owners, I no longer want to see the forum flourish. I post less.
It's more commercial. They are in the pocket of the online casinos. There's no denying that - it's very transparent. There's also no denying that it makes money. (You don't get $2.3 million to buy a website otherwise).Quote: terapinedThe new owners do not hold the higher moral ground.
The bonus stuff bothers me because to me its bait and switch.
Its advertised as a welcome but in reality its an entire bankroll grab by the online casino.
They created a system where you accept the bonus , the odds are the online casino will keep your ENTIRE deposit.
When I walk into a casino, my bankroll is mine no matter what promotion the casino is offering.
No gaming regulator in a brick and mortar casino would ever approve this bonus system.
This bonus system would be totally illegal in a regular brick and mortar casino.
Because of the new owners, I no longer want to see the forum flourish. I post less.
That said, I'm still not sure how down I am with the new regime. I've done three online casinos. One was fine; two were some of the worst experiences I've ever had with any endeavor anywhere. Pure hell. So that's my experience. I'm sure others have had much more success. Maybe it's just not worthwhile any more.
I have done plenty of web design in the past, and it is highly subjective. What looks great to one person, others cannot stand. Bottom line it is pretty hard to please everyone. But there are some basics that should always be followed. Harsh colors are a No No. Want to drive away customers? Make your site real busy, with tons of bells and whistles. Add in some audio content that always plays as soon as the site starts, and you are well on your way to a poor design.
But harsh colors are always a no no. And the casino ads are, in your face obtrusive. As Axel pointed out, they can be easily moved out of sight. If I were doing this site, I would move the ads into the footer of each post, or perhaps to the space under the avtar. One casino per post, sequencing the casinos. This way the screen real estate would all go towards forum content, but the ads would still be visible on every page, AND it would be next to impossible to move them off screen.
I always tried to keep my nav bar real estate as small as possible, but it always stays on the screen. Never make people scroll to get back to a point they can navigate out.
An example is a thread that has 4 pages. I am looking at it for the first time, and I have clicked through all 4 pages. I am not interested in hitting the back button 4 times to get back to the index page. I also would rather not have to scroll all the way back to the top of the page. The nav bar should be fixed to the top of the screen. Which also brings up the point about the nav bar content. It should always have an option to get you back to the current index entry point. If I entered a thread from the forum overview page, the nav bar should take me back there. But, if I entered a thread from the Recent Threads Index, there should be a nav button to take me back there.
1.) Along the lines of what djatc mentioned, my initial interest in this site, were to keep an ear out for any mention of promotions or anything that I can benefit from. There certainly is less and less of that going on. :(
2.) Wizard seems to be participating less and less, which I guess was to be expected when he sold the site.
3.) When an online gaming enterprise took over, some of us, especially pro-type players had concerns about our own situations along the lines of selling info to brick and mortar casinos or who knows what the future holds, perhaps there is intermingling of the two. Since I don't subscribe to anything, nor play online, which could involve giving personal information, I figure it doesn't effect me that much. But the new 'layout' is a constant reminder that we aren't dealing with Mike anymore. Despite that Mike did consulting work for the casinos, I had confidence in his integrity along these lines that I don't have with current owners.
4.) On this site, I participate, not only in the blackjack discussions, which is my field of not expertise, but at least some knowledge, but I like to 'let my hair down a little' from what I do on other sites and participate in some misc discussions, including politics. I can't put my finger on it, but it just feels different lately (not as fun) doing so. Maybe it's not fair to put that on the new owners.
anyway. that's my thoughts.
Quote: RonCI took some approximate counts on a few people who have contributed more than a thousand post and that I think are or have been moderators at one time:
Wizard—6 posts this month (he has over 12,000 posts recorded)
Face—5 posts this month (over 3,000 since joining)
BBB—103 posts out of over 5,600
DJTB—20 or so posts of 8,719
Thanks for the stats RonC. Interesting stuff.
I miss the presence of Wizard, Face, DJTB, and Mission too. All four were valuable contributors to the forum. And they've all seemed to disappear.
Did they abandon the forum because another Mod desires complete control over all things WoV?
Quote: HowMany
Did they abandon the forum because another Mod desires complete control over all things WoV?
That's a ridiculous comment.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13That's a ridiculous comment.
ZCore13
+1
Quote: gordonm888I've said this before: there are far more people on the suspension list than there are people who are active on the site. This is the most controlling site I have ever been on with the strictest standards I have ever seen against nasty words and insulting people.
There are well over 600 names in red on the member list. Looks good on paper but are they really members?
Quote: terapinedExcept for republican debate nite, I have been posting less.
Some of it has to do with the owners no longer holding the high moral ground.
I had a lot of respect for the Wiz.
He tried to educate gamblers.
He looked out for gamblers providing all kinds of strategy and listing of different casinos and their edge in BJ.
The Wiz educated gamblers so they knew exactly what the odds are and what the strategy should be.
Because of this, I wanted to see the forum flourish.
The new owners do not hold the higher moral ground.
The bonus stuff bothers me because to me its bait and switch.
Its advertised as a welcome but in reality its an entire bankroll grab by the online casino.
They created a system where you accept the bonus , the odds are the online casino will keep your ENTIRE deposit.
When I walk into a casino, my bankroll is mine no matter what promotion the casino is offering.
No gaming regulator in a brick and mortar casino would ever approve this bonus system.
This bonus system would be totally illegal in a regular brick and mortar casino.
Because of the new owners, I no longer want to see the forum flourish. I post less.
I hope management sees and responds to your post,
Quote: 1BBThere are well over 600 names in red on the member list. Looks good on paper but are they really members?
Several of those names, those over 600 names you state, would probably be better off if they weren't allowed to post here again. Maybe not most, but several would be better, maybe the forum would be better, if they accidentally got hit, run over, by a bus. Just a thought, not an opinion, definately not the stand of the owners.
Quote: djatcI just don't understand the political threads, why get worked up over who Donald trump talks about or what emails Hilary Clinton is hiding, what does it have to do with gambling. Aren't there forums online strictly discussing this stuff?
Delta Tango.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLSeveral of those names, those over 600 names you state, would probably be better off if they weren't allowed to post here again. Maybe not most, but several would be better, maybe the forum would be better, if they accidentally got hit, run over, by a bus. Just a thought, not an opinion, definately not the stand of the owners.
Yes they are horrible people, the dregs of society. They should be locked down at an undisclosed black site and brainwashed to not have an opinion. The bus thing is a little harsh though.
Quote: 1BBDelta Tango.
Whisky tango foxtrot (I know you meant diversity tommorow just practicing my verbage)
Quote: DocFor those particularly concerned about the number of non-gambling discussions, I am curious: do you consider the Casino Chip of the Day thread to be inappropriately irrelevant here? I started it in the "Off-Topic/General Discussion" forum because I wasn't sure myself whether people would want such a discussion here. And we hardly discuss gambling at all.
No, no, a thousand times no! That thread is one of the bright spots here. I don't post in it much but I read every word. I wouldn't want to sully your thread as sometimes I attract the wrong element. :-)
Quote: 1BBNo, no, a thousand times no! That thread is one of the bright spots here. I don't post in it much but I read every word. I wouldn't want to sully your thread. Sometimes I attract the wrong element. :-)
I think the non-gambling threads fill the gap and keep us talking in between gambling threads. I like the community here an I like discussing any number of things with them. I tried Dead Thread but that is just how I found it to be over there. If you don't like a particular thread, blocking it is easy enough.
Casino chips are very relevant to a gambling discussion!!
My key interest is in Las Vegas itself: the dream vs. the reality.
I know enough about craps to get by, I don't play BJ, and realize I'll never pursue being an AP.
Quote: 1BBNo, no, a thousand times no! That thread is one of the bright spots here. I don't post in it much but I read every word. I wouldn't want to sully your thread as sometimes I attract the wrong element. :-)
Everything considered, I would vote the casino chip the the day the best thread on the forum.
2016 election , really? Here really?
Discussion about 'the list', valid but should barely make the the top 5 list, at best.
No Spanish word, no HotBlondeChallenge (though it had it's place in time).
The WOV investor portfolio is still interesting ( not much report lately ).
Any other suggestions?
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I agree there has been a shift both in focus, and, due to changes in member participation, content. It seems we see fewer posts from Mike and some other gaming experts. [While I confess I've rarely played optimally, I've always kept the advice offered here in mind, though I'm almost exclusively a $5 craps player!]
Maybe Evenbob is right, and the board has simply run its course.
It seems many here are unhappy with the new ownership and / or the new layout. In response to an earlier post, I've been advised that we can't simply move to DT and discuss gaming topics, due to restrictions on Mike from the sale of this site.
I don't surf many gambling sites. Is there somewhere else to which the disenchanted / disenfranchised may pick up and go? Can someone recommend a hospitable site to which the old WoV membership may move, and continue as before?
Quote: CalderI'm just a lurker here, though have been a daily visitor for years. I've little to offer in the way of posting, but have always appreciated the the contributions of other knowledgeable members, whether on gaming or non-gaming topics.
I agree there has been a shift both in focus, and, due to changes in member participation, content. It seems we see fewer posts from Mike and some other gaming experts. [While I confess I've rarely played optimally, I've always kept the advice offered here in mind, though I'm almost exclusively a $5 craps player!]
Maybe Evenbob is right, and the board has simply run its course.
It seems many here are unhappy with the new ownership and / or the new layout. In response to an earlier post, I've been advised that we can't simply move to DT and discuss gaming topics, due to restrictions on Mike from the sale of this site.
I don't surf many gambling sites. Is there somewhere else to which the disenchanted / disenfranchised may pick up and go? Can someone recommend a hospitable site to which the old WoV membership may move, and continue as before?
Just me of course, but I think you should stay right here, and maybe throw in a thought now and then. Maybe something besides a question of where else you should go. Just a thought. Cheers! 2F
Quote: HowManyThanks for the stats RonC. Interesting stuff.
I miss the presence of Wizard, Face, DJTB, and Mission too. All four were valuable contributors to the forum. And they've all seemed to disappear.
Thanks for the shout, but I'm still here. Winter is coming, and I'm just trying to pack everything into these last few days of survivable weather. It makes me less apt to fire up the PC to make a reply. To add to that, the Election thread is about the only thing that's held my interest lately, and RonC always seems to answer for me. I read, I get a thought, and then he expresses what I'm thinking better than I can. Sort of a "nothing to say and no time to say it" situation.
Quote: FaceThanks for the shout, but I'm still here. Winter is coming, and I'm just trying to pack everything into these last few days of survivable weather. It makes me less apt to fire up the PC to make a reply. To add to that, the Election thread is about the only thing that's held my interest lately, and RonC always seems to answer for me. I read, I get a thought, and then he expresses what I'm thinking better than I can. Sort of a "nothing to say and no time to say it" situation.
Same goes, I'm around.
Most message boards slow down in the Summer simply because people tend to be more active outside, busy with kids, take vacations... Etc.
I might be wrong, but I think a similar sentiment was expressed a year or two ago and I said the same thing.
For my part, I currently write most of the Articles here and read (almost) every thread. Used to be every thread, but I sometimes say I'll come back to the political ones and just don't do it...lol
Quote: FaceThanks for the shout, but I'm still here. Winter is coming, and I'm just trying to pack everything into these last few days of survivable weather. It makes me less apt to fire up the PC to make a reply. To add to that, the Election thread is about the only thing that's held my interest lately, and RonC always seems to answer for me. I read, I get a thought, and then he expresses what I'm thinking better than I can. Sort of a "nothing to say and no time to say it" situation.
You and Mission. Don't kid yourself.
DOES THIS WEBSITE LOOK ANYTHING LIKE A FORUM NOW?
People follow kewjl, Dorzos and maybe myself. Where are they now. Sure you have Evenbob and Axel posting all the time. But they dont have the same drawing powers. Apologies folks.
They spent a couple mil for WoO: WoV just came along for the ride.
It seems many if not most posters do not gamble online, so there is little profit expectation for the new owners from this board.
This board is now little more than a weakened appendix: the question is: "When will it burst?"
The Wiz is pretty much just calling it in, to meet his contractual requirements arising from the sale: he got his money, so who can blame him?
It's tough to keep loving and parenting your child when someone else adopts it.
