Card Counting Rampage
Normally, I go to Vegas around 8 times each year. I use a 'polite' spread, and never stay at a table too long. However, this time, things are going to be different. For the first time, I am not concerned about a back-off, and plan to count and employ a very aggressive spread.
My trip bankroll is $20,000. I will play for 6 days, if permitted. If disaster strikes, and I lose my entire bankroll, that's okay. If I get backed off at enough casinos and I cannot play anymore, that's okay too. I will spend the remaining time drinking hard, and chasing women.
Any advice is appreciated.
Are you going to play UNTIL getting backed off? If you're there for 6 days might I suggest doing exactly what you stated above, EXCEPT keeping your sessions short and trying to not get backed off the first few days. After that I'd say just stay at a table until they boot you...
Recommendations:
1) Make a trip report with pictures/videos/etc! Do you have a friend that can video tape you getting backed off? That would be pretty awesome and useful for people whom haven't experienced that to see. Plus, it'll make GREAT evidence in your pending 6 figure lawsuit if any of them try to overstep their bounds =).
2) Don't use a players card.
3) Hit the town by sections... Strip, downtown, off strip (whether it be Stations area, Green Valley Ranch area, Sams town area, etc). When you get backed off (and apparently you will) they might burn you at the other playces (as you seem to be quite aware). However, you 'might' stretch some longevity by pounding sections at a time, so if they do notify other casinos, it'll be in the same section that hopefully you're ripping through and the other sections won't be notified.
4) Be as absolutely polite to every casino employee as possible. Sometimes the "burn it down" approach seems to breed the "yeah f you I don't care" attitude. Just because you're going for the throat doesn't mean you can't be classy while doing so ;).
5) Possibly notify other professionals in the area because I'm sure they would love to play at the same place, other table/pit while you're sucking up allllll the heat lol.
6) If you end up playing one of the same places, obviously different shifts (and hopefully different days even).
7) Win, lose, or draw... HAVE FUN!
Seriously though, make an awesome trip report =P.
Quote: HowMany
If I get backed off at enough casinos and I cannot play anymore, that's okay too. I will spend the remaining time drinking hard, and chasing women.
Any advice is appreciated.
It sounds like any advice I can give you already plan on implementing. Give em hell! I wish you good variance kind sir!
Quote: HowManySoon, I will make my 'final' trip to Las Vegas. 'Final' can be defined as my last trip for at least 2-3 years.
Normally, I go to Vegas around 8 times each year. I use a 'polite' spread, and never stay at a table too long. However, this time, things are going to be different. For the first time, I am not concerned about a back-off, and plan to count and employ a very aggressive spread.
My trip bankroll is $20,000. I will play for 6 days, if permitted. If disaster strikes, and I lose my entire bankroll, that's okay. If I get backed off at enough casinos and I cannot play anymore, that's okay too. I will spend the remaining time drinking hard, and chasing women.
Any advice is appreciated.
Save a little for the trip home.
ZCore13
One thing to burn it down and get backed off (just come back another shift), but if you get trespassed, That casino is off the list. Never know what will be offered at that casino in 5 years. Then again, it could be imploded and replaced with a mega mega resort casino by then, so it wouldn't matter anyway.
Quote: HowManySoon, I will make my 'final' trip to Las Vegas. 'Final' can be defined as my last trip for at least 2-3 years.
Normally, I go to Vegas around 8 times each year. I use a 'polite' spread, and never stay at a table too long. However, this time, things are going to be different. For the first time, I am not concerned about a back-off, and plan to count and employ a very aggressive spread.
My trip bankroll is $20,000. I will play for 6 days, if permitted. If disaster strikes, and I lose my entire bankroll, that's okay. If I get backed off at enough casinos and I cannot play anymore, that's okay too. I will spend the remaining time drinking hard, and chasing women.
Any advice is appreciated.
Quote: HowManyThere is blackjack machine that I was playing for the purpose of earning comps. And the rules are pretty decent-
H17, DOA, DAS, LS, and 3:2. (But, while running money thru this machine I discovered it was paying 3:2 on ALL 21's!!!)
Is this glitch large enough to make the machine +EV? How much? How should I alter basic strategy?
20k... don't forget that donation.Quote: WizardI'm going to assume six decks and no-resplitting aces. That said, I get player advantage of 3.16% of all winning 21s pay 3-2 and 3.98% if any 21 pays 3-2. Here is my infinite deck strategy for the latter way.
If this game is for real, I'd appreciate a donation for my trouble.
Like M3200, I play fulltime, with most of that play in Vegas and I play a lot more rounds than most counters I know. I experience a handful of backoffs per year, less than half dozen, and a handful of other incidents that I will treat similarly to a backoff. That means take that game out of my rotation for a sort time, and it usually isn't really that long. Then when I do return, I usually try to play other shifts for at least a few cycles.
The Advantage of Vegas is quantity, not quality. This means plenty of not great, but playable games (subjective), so you spread your play around. Yep, we are talking hit and run. I take it to the extreme. Show my spread one time and then move on, never or rarely showing that biggest of "tells', retreating back from a large or max bet.
Now, I know players from other places don't like to play this way and take advantage of all the playable Vegas game, which requires a car, BTW. Most just want to come and plop themselves on the strip, where the crappy games are and sit in one place for 4 or 5 hours, spreading up and down, and back to small bet. That doesn't work well in Vegas, anymore.
Romes has become pretty knowledgeable as far as blackjack, making many really helpful posts, but I have to disagree with that suggestion that "everyone should do this (burn out the town) at some point". The problem is consequences from such actions don't just stay here in Vegas, just as consequences from other places follow you here and wherever you travel to play.
I recently experienced 3 backoffs at different Pa casinos, on a short trip back east. They were unrelated casinos, two of them, completely independent, with no other 'sister properties'. I know the second two backoffs, stemmed from the first, a smaller sweaty place. I know the backoff info got to the other two casinos before I did. And then to make matters worse, when I returned to Vegas, Boom...two immediate back offs at two regular casinos in my rotation, that are in no way corporately connected to any of the Pa locations. So this info and the consequences follow or even precede you to other locations, so I would be careful when implementing a "burn out the town" strategy, if you still intend to play elsewhere.
Quote: AvincowNow if this guy gets trespassed from a casino, can he go back the next day, or is he banned for life?
One thing to burn it down and get backed off (just come back another shift), but if you get trespassed, That casino is off the list. Never know what will be offered at that casino in 5 years. Then again, it could be imploded and replaced with a mega mega resort casino by then, so it wouldn't matter anyway.
In my experience, I would say Vegas doesn't "trespass" very often anymore. I guess I have been backed off 30-40 times (most pretty politely, a couple rude, a couple weird) at different places, but never trespassed. I suppose if you push the envelope, getting backed off a number of times in short order, they might just go ahead and trespass you in the hopes of being done with you.
Trespassing someone involves a bigger scene, which they want to avoid. They will usually try to get you off the main floor into some back room for that and (thanks to the efforts of Bob Nersesian) most serious card counters know they don't have to comply with such a request.
Also the legality of the whole trespass thing is still very much in question. The "Wilkenson ruling" from 70's states that a previously trespassed player who returns, must be given the opportunity to leave before he can be arrested for trespassing (assuming he has done nothing illegal). To get around this, casinos often try to use something artificial like "creating a disturbance" as that something illegal, that will allow them to arrest. But that can be costly if the person fights it into the courtroom, where the casinos often lose if they can't prove there allegations. I suspect that is why most just go the backoff route, now.
Quote: kewlj...Romes has become pretty knowledgeable as far as blackjack, making many really helpful posts, but I have to disagree with that suggestion that "everyone should do this (burn out the town) at some point". The problem is consequences from such actions don't just stay here in Vegas, just as consequences from other places follow you here and wherever you travel to play.
I appreciate your kind words, kewlj. I do suppose I should have qualified... Non pro's, non-aspiring pro's, should do this at one point (in my opinion). I still think even pro's should too, but overall it should obviously be done intelligently. Go to a one off casino that has no affiliations with anyone else, isn't part of OSN, etc, and just burn it. I think it will help with the confidence to shove the money out there, as well as teach someone how to deal with the imminent heat you will receive. Plus, it's a lot of fun to quit caring about the cat/mouse game and just throw your money at the deck in very positive situations. I suppose I should note to not do this at an Indian casino =P... I didn't throw all the qualifications in, but if anyone is going to do this I should think they would do it in a way that wouldn't hurt them in the future (if they cared about that).
I do find it surprising though that you've experienced a few back offs after being backed off from an independent property. Do you think there's a chance that the law of large numbers makes this looks coincidental? Certainly sounds like you're correct that they shared the info. I just don't see how the PA casinos would be in contact with Vegas casinos if they're independent and don't use the same 3rd party (like OSN).
And what if that casino runs a very lucrative promotion or something in the future. I can't think of a LV casino that didn't have something very lucrative at some point.Quote: RomesI appreciate your kind words, kewlj. I do suppose I should have qualified... Non pro's, non-aspiring pro's, should do this at one point (in my opinion). I still think even pro's should too, but overall it should obviously be done intelligently. Go to a one off casino that has no affiliations with anyone else, isn't part of OSN, etc, and just burn it. I think it will help with the confidence to shove the money out there, as well as teach someone how to deal with the imminent heat you will receive. Plus, it's a lot of fun to quit caring about the cat/mouse game and just throw your money at the deck in very positive situations. I suppose I should note to not do this at an Indian casino =P... I didn't throw all the qualifications in, but if anyone is going to do this I should think they would do it in a way that wouldn't hurt them in the future (if they cared about that).
I do find it surprising though that you've experienced a few back offs after being backed off from an independent property. Do you think there's a chance that the law of large numbers makes this looks coincidental? Certainly sounds like you're correct that they shared the info. I just don't see how the PA casinos would be in contact with Vegas casinos if they're independent and don't use the same 3rd party (like OSN).
What if that casino gets bought out by a bigger chain and you're added to the S**T list.
What if the pit boss moves locations and remembers you?
Quote: AxelWolfAnd what if that casino runs a very lucrative promotion or something in the future. I can't think of a LV casino that didn't have something very lucrative at some point.
What if that casino gets bought out by a bigger chain and you're added to the S**T list.
What if the pit boss moves locations and remembers you?
1) This would be a casino you wouldn't be looking to go back to in the future.
2) Any EV you'd lose from a promotion you should hopefully make up by playing much bigger at the most advantageous times.
3) You're not using any kind of identification. They can back you off, but they get none of your information. How exactly would they go about adding you to their sh*t list?
4) I'll take those odds... that the one time I go burn it down in the middle of no where that PB moves to a more populated location I might visit some time down the road and that of all the new faces among his crew/audience he remembers mine. Not to mention if I were to do this I'd probably be doing it at higher limits than I play for my normal game/EV, so in order to see/remember my face he'd A)have to be demoted to a lower limit pit, and B) make the connection that I am in fact who he thinks I am because I won't be spreading anywhere near the same, let alone betting the same color chips.
5) You're trading 1 of a million shops for the experience, story, and hopefully profits.
Quote: Romes4) Be as absolutely polite to every casino employee as possible. Sometimes the "burn it down" approach seems to breed the "yeah f you I don't care" attitude. Just because you're going for the throat doesn't mean you can't be classy while doing so ;).
We could argue all day, but I highly suggests no AP does this, it could come back to haunt you. You never know what the future holds. But I shouldn't be arguing if the competition gets 86ed/backed off.Quote: Romes1) This would be a casino you wouldn't be looking to go back to in the future.
2) Any EV you'd lose from a promotion you should hopefully make up by playing much bigger at the most advantageous times.
3) You're not using any kind of identification. They can back you off, but they get none of your information. How exactly would they go about adding you to their sh*t list?
4) I'll take those odds... that the one time I go burn it down in the middle of no where that PB moves to a more populated location I might visit some time down the road and that of all the new faces among his crew/audience he remembers mine. Not to mention if I were to do this I'd probably be doing it at higher limits than I play for my normal game/EV, so in order to see/remember my face he'd A)have to be demoted to a lower limit pit, and B) make the connection that I am in fact who he thinks I am because I won't be spreading anywhere near the same, let alone betting the same color chips.
5) You're trading 1 of a million shops for the experience, story, and hopefully profits.
Quote: kewljInteresting. HowMany, Can I ask what stakes you play and what brought you to this point? I am assuming your recent Vegas trips didn't go well as far as heat and backoffs.
I'm losing interest, and need a break. I'm a pretty decent golfer and have more passion for golf than blackjack right now. And I reasonably certain I can make more money this summer hustling rich punks with marginal golf skills than grinding at a blackjack table.
I made a decent profit playing blackjack the last 3 years as a recreational counter. My max bet is $300, although I've gone higher occasionally. But it wasn't that high when I started, of course.
So I pocketed all my profits and have my original starting bankroll of $20k that I'm willing to burn. I'm going to overbet my bankroll for sure. Perhaps, I will lose it all in a few days.
I look forward to sitting at the El Cortez $5 double deck game and spreading to 2 hands of $500. That's going to be damn fun.
Quote: HowMany...I look forward to sitting at the El Cortez $5 double deck game and spreading to 2 hands of $500. That's going to be damn fun.
Good God someone has to video tape this... If you have that much money can you pay one of your friends $100 to come to Vegas and just video tape you while you play blackjack??? If you made an hour long movie with all of your backoffs/etc I'd pay to see it.
Also, I hope you go after it hard, but please don't make your RoR something outrageous. Sure, step it up for your trip, but don't make your max bet $5k on a $20k bankroll.
Quote: AxelWolfBut I shouldn't be arguing if the competition gets 86ed/backed off.
I am starting to think along these lines, Axel. I have shared my experienced and tried to help up and coming counters for 5-6 years now. When I first joined a couple blackjack sites, BJ21 and blackjack info (now closed), members helped me a great amount. That was my education. I took all that advice in and formed my own plan of attack and have incorporated many specific things people shared, like very small buyins, and chip inventory, showing spread only once, into my play.
In short, I benefited greatly from others sharing thoughts and experiences and feel like I owe what limited success I have had to those players and members, so I vowed to repay the favor. But, lately, I find myself thinking more and more, that I have done my part. It just is in no way beneficial and quite the contrary, can be detrimental to continue to do so.
Quote: mcallister3200Playing very aggressively doesn't have to go hand in hand with getting backed off. I always play very aggressively and haven't been backed off in over a half year, playing full time, although I haven't been counting much over the last couple months. You can play very aggressively rare back offs with a hit and run approach. That's the strength of Vegas, the quantity of games. Areas where casinos are more spread out you may be forced to play longer sessions, in which case I think you're better off finding places that don't seem to care. I really don't believe in toning down the spread at all or playing with cover unless you play at high stakes. To me the toning down the spread and playing longer sessions with some cover represent a degree of laziness, your edge is so tiny in card counting you really need to play an aggressive game if you're trying to make money. You aren't going to see many professionals except those at very high stakes who are willing to tone it down much.
This is one of my regrets. I should've done more of what you suggest.
Quote: Romes
I do find it surprising though that you've experienced a few back offs after being backed off from an independent property. Do you think there's a chance that the law of large numbers makes this looks coincidental? Certainly sounds like you're correct that they shared the info. I just don't see how the PA casinos would be in contact with Vegas casinos if they're independent and don't use the same 3rd party (like OSN).
My casino is independent from all other casinos in Arizona, but they still share information. Heck, some of the Tribes don't really even like the other Tribes and they still share info on alleged (I say alleged because I don't necessarily trust the reliability of all of them) advantage players.
I'll get notes from a casino 250 miles away with absolutely no affiliating or connection to my casinos Tribe.
ZCore13
Quote: HowMany
I look forward to sitting at the El Cortez $5 double deck game and spreading to 2 hands of $500. That's going to be damn fun.
I have a feeling you are making a bad choice of locations if you are going to be counting and spreading up to $500 on 2 hands. You might be looking for a new place to play pretty quickly.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13My casino is independent from all other casinos in Arizona, but they still share information. Heck, some of the Tribes don't really even like the other Tribes and they still share info on alleged (I say alleged because I don't necessarily trust the reliability of all of them) advantage players.
I'll get notes from a casino 250 miles away with absolutely no affiliating or connection to my casinos Tribe.
ZCore13
Exactly, age of the Internet these days. Word travels fast.
Quote: RomesGood God someone has to video tape this... If you have that much money can you pay one of your friends $100 to come to Vegas and just video tape you while you play blackjack??? If you made an hour long movie with all of your backoffs/etc I'd pay to see it.
Also, I hope you go after it hard, but please don't make your RoR something outrageous. Sure, step it up for your trip, but don't make your max bet $5k on a $20k bankroll.
It's a solo trip. No video. Although, I wish Mo was still at El Cortez. That would make a $5 to 2x $500 spread even more fun. I'd be tempted to shoot a video just to capture Mo's reaction.
For the week, I plan max bets of $800 - $1,000. That's high enough. If things go my way, I may shove more, but can't imagine $5k.
Quote: HowMany
I look forward to sitting at the El Cortez $5 double deck game and spreading to 2 hands of $500. That's going to be damn fun.
Please don't do this. What are you hoping to gain from this? A quick laugh? When all is said and done, you would just be another card counter ruining a nice game for low rolling counters and for ploppies.
Quote: Romes
I do find it surprising though that you've experienced a few back offs after being backed off from an independent property. Do you think there's a chance that the law of large numbers makes this looks coincidental? Certainly sounds like you're correct that they shared the info. I just don't see how the PA casinos would be in contact with Vegas casinos if they're independent and don't use the same 3rd party (like OSN).
I don't mind naming names, because I am done at the place that was the main culprit, Valley Forge. I had several problems there before on previous trips and should have known to stay away. Friends that we visit and stay with a few days each visit, live close to VF, so we always ended up going there a couple times.
But, it should be know, so I don't mind sounding the alarm. Valley Forge is very dangerous. They are extremely sweaty. I would say rival El Cortez and South Point for the sweatiest that I know of. But what makes them really dangerous is that they are VERY active on OSN. I don't play rated much in Vegas, just a small handful of places and it just so happens that two of them where the places that trouble followed me home. I know it's not a coincidence because I have seen my OSN file (yea for friends in the business).
In addition to being very active on OSN, Valley Forge, communicates via flyers and fax with other Pa properties, even though they are not related. Much like other local areas... Reno comes to mind does. It isn't clear if the other properties participate sharing back as much or not.
Quote: HowMany...and chasing women.
Any advice is appreciated.
Watch out for the adam's apple.
Quote: HowManySoon, I will make my 'final' trip to Las Vegas. 'Final' can be defined as my last trip for at least 2-3 years.
Normally, I go to Vegas around 8 times each year. I use a 'polite' spread, and never stay at a table too long. However, this time, things are going to be different. For the first time, I am not concerned about a back-off, and plan to count and employ a very aggressive spread.
My trip bankroll is $20,000. I will play for 6 days, if permitted. If disaster strikes, and I lose my entire bankroll, that's okay. If I get backed off at enough casinos and I cannot play anymore, that's okay too. I will spend the remaining time drinking hard, and chasing women.
Any advice is appreciated.
Backed off at El Cortez earlier this week. I used an insane spread and lost every max bet.
Did well at a few Stations properties. Backed off at 3 of them while playing double deck. Backed off at a 4th Stations property soon after sitting down. All were very polite.
Done with double-deck. Now back-counting 6-deck games.
So far I produced a profit of $2k on my $20k bankroll. It's incredible how quickly I go from +$5k to -$5k. Waaaaay over-betting my bankroll.
Having a great time. I'm off to the tables.
Quote: HowManyBacked off at El Cortez earlier this week. I used an insane spread and lost every max bet.
Did well at a few Stations properties. Backed off at 3 of them while playing double deck. Backed off at a 4th Stations property soon after sitting down. All were very polite.
Done with double-deck. Now back-counting 6-deck games.
So far I produced a profit of $2k on my $20k bankroll. It's incredible how quickly I go from +$5k to -$5k. Waaaaay over-betting my bankroll.
Having a great time. I'm off to the tables.
What were the events that led up to the back off? Were there any warning signs that told you you were about to be backed off?
Why didn't you Video the event? You can get a small spy camera for less that 50 bucks.Quote: HowManyBacked off at El Cortez earlier this week. I used an insane spread and lost every max bet.
Did well at a few Stations properties. Backed off at 3 of them while playing double deck. Backed off at a 4th Stations property soon after sitting down. All were very polite.
Done with double-deck. Now back-counting 6-deck games.
So far I produced a profit of $2k on my $20k bankroll. It's incredible how quickly I go from +$5k to -$5k. Waaaaay over-betting my bankroll.
Having a great time. I'm off to the tables.
Quote: AxelWolfWhy didn't you Video the event? You can get a small spy camera for less that 50 bucks.
That's really not a good idea. Lol
Something that I want to comment on from this thread and I am not specifically talking about HowMany. It seems quite a number of players go to El Cortez with the intent of getting backed off, like it's some kind of badge of honor, or it verifies that you are a legitimate card counter or something. It doesn't verify that, because half the people they back off are no more counting than jumping over the moon.
I get that El cortez is a 'special' place. But the idea of getting backed off just for the novelty of it is goofy, not to mention can be hazardous, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, backoffs in today's world are no longer limited to the property involved, they can follow you around.
Rather than go in with the attitude, that I want to get backed off, I would (and do) take the opposite approach. My goal would be to get in, play, win, and get out while avoiding a backoff at one of the most sweatiest places around. That is an achievement. That is when you have 'beaten' them. :)
I said it was a horrible Idea in the first place pages back I brought up many good points why a few members argued and egged him on to go for it.Quote: kewljThat's really not a good idea. Lol
Something that I want to comment on from this thread and I am not specifically talking about HowMany. It seems quite a number of players go to El Cortez with the intent of getting backed off, like it's some kind of badge of honor, or it verifies that you are a legitimate card counter or something. It doesn't verify that, because half the people they back off are no more counting than jumping over the moon.
I get that El cortez is a 'special' place. But the idea of getting backed off just for the novelty of it is goofy, not to mention can be hazardous, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, backoffs in today's world are no longer limited to the property involved, they can follow you around.
Rather than go in with the attitude, that I want to get backed off, I would (and do) take the opposite approach. My goal would be to get in, play, win, and get out while avoiding a backoff at one of the most sweatiest places around. That is an achievement. That is when you have 'beaten' them. :)
Bad Idea yes, and it doesn't even mean you can count card's one lick. But if you're going to do it Do it right.
Best of luck on the rest of your trip. I will be interested to know how back counting shoes works out for you. Back-counting (wonging in) isn't really my approach, but I would think Vegas, which isn't all that crowed during the weekdays, with lots of open seats, probably isn't the best location for doing so. I would think just standing around watching will make you stand out during slow times.
Quote: kewljI would think just standing around watching will make you stand out during slow times.
I got backed off DT last time I was
in Vegas for standing at the roulette
wheel for 3 spins and watching it.
Some old fart told me that 'you know
that's not allowed' and to go away.
Paranoid much?
Quote: kewljI'd be interested to know who backed him off, just out of curiosity. A name or even description along with any details that you wanted to provide, HowMany.
Best of luck on the rest of your trip. I will be interested to know how back counting shoes works out for you. Back-counting (wonging in) isn't really my approach, but I would think Vegas, which isn't all that crowed during the weekdays, with lots of open seats, probably isn't the best location for doing so. I would think just standing around watching will make you stand out during slow times.
It was the young kid at ELC. You'll know who I'm talking about, I'm sure. He was very apologetic, and said "Not sure what you're doing, but we don't want this type of action. I'm sorry."
And I'm done back-counting, too. It's incredibly boring. I hate it. I was able to get some money down in good situations with mixed results. Not enough hands.
Going to spend my remaining time playing shoes (play all), and spreading huge. My bankroll is intact for now.
I've lost interest in blackjack, counting, and casino's in general. I'm just playing for one final week, and trying to get as much money on the felt as possible. If I ever return, it will be 3-5 years from now, or probably never.
blackjack is boring. if you think placing minimum bets is less boring, you probably haven't been playing that long. I can handle being bored for decent compensation though.Quote: AvincowBack counting is boring. I will only do it if I am walking by a table and see many small cards.
Quote: mcallister3200blackjack is boring. if you think placing minimum bets is less boring, you probably haven't been playing that long. I can handle being bored for decent compensation though.
If I'm wonging in, then my bet is going to be at least 2 units.
Quote: mcallister3200blackjack is boring.
No doubt...it CAN be. Somehow it seemed more boring last year (an off year for me) than it does this year. :)
I guess I am lucky in that 'for the most part', I still enjoy the game that I play for a living.
of course, not what I meant. I meant playing off the top and min betting waiting for a count, is every bit as boring as back countingQuote: AvincowIf I'm wonging in, then my bet is going to be at least 2 units.
Quote: HowManyIt was the young kid at ELC. You'll know who I'm talking about, I'm sure. He was very apologetic, and said "Not sure what you're doing, but we don't want this type of action. I'm sorry."
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Day shift? That punk once flat bet me before I played a freaking hand.
Some of us >>mcallister3200 << look like counters.Quote: mcallister3200Day shift? That punk once flat bet me before I played a freaking hand.
Quote: mcallister3200of course, not what I meant. I meant playing off the top and min betting waiting for a count, is every bit as boring as back counting
ah okay, I see what you're saying now. For me that's not so bad. My 9-5 job is mind numbing while at the same time being stressful. I prefer blackjack any day. Any slow points can be reconciled with some small talk. Plus I drink on the job, it's encouraged. Can't do that at the office.
Quote: AxelWolfSome of us >>mcallister3200 << look like counters.
I disagree with you on that one.
You look like 1 as well.Quote: RSI disagree with you on that one.
Final results:
Bankroll- $20,000
Win- $982
Expense- ($435)
Bankroll- $20,547
It's time to return to life as a golf hustler. I'm much better at golf than blackjack anyway. I can play scratch, but everyone is convinced I'm a low 80's player.
Quote: HowManyIt's over. I'm done. The results look boring, but it was a wild ride.
Final results:
Bankroll- $20,000
Win- $982
Expense- ($435)
Bankroll- $20,547
It's time to return to life as a golf hustler. I'm much better at golf than blackjack anyway. I can play scratch, but everyone is convinced I'm a low 80's player.
Not sure if you mentioned, but why is this your last vegas trip? From 8 trips a year to none for a few, gotta be a story.
