What's the best way to find another advantage player / team to team up with?
July 1st, 2010 at 9:04:33 PM
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from your other posts, you seem like a really unpleasant and not fun person to be around. you probably stick out like a sore thumb in the casino. and im sure if youre intending on cheating, asking strangers over the internet is the best approach.
July 2nd, 2010 at 12:20:43 AM
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That's not what the surveillance people say.Quote: f2dObviously these people dont walk around the casino with a sign on them.
>I'm just wondering what's the best way to network with these type of people?
Often you can meet them in the waiting room of the Parole Office or at the bondman's office when you are paying your fees for being admitted to bail. Just as on the casino floor, they all tend to stick out like a sore thumb.
July 2nd, 2010 at 3:44:24 AM
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I wish I could call myself an advantage player, but if I could, I would take Stern Umbrage at the notion that a Cheater would think he belonged in our rarefied ranks and ask you to settle the matter on the Field of Honor.
If it was the 19th Century. Since it is the 21st Century I can only glove-slap you with an internet posting one anonymous guy to another.
If it was the 19th Century. Since it is the 21st Century I can only glove-slap you with an internet posting one anonymous guy to another.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell! She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
July 2nd, 2010 at 6:41:11 AM
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I agree with the sentiment that there is a difference between "advantage play" and "cheating"...
Counting cards is not cheating, but casinos will kick you out for it. That is because they can choose who is and isn't allowed to gamble on their property. If counting was cheating, it would be a criminal offense.
Seeking out advantage situations--special rules, etc. is also not cheating. The casino puts those rules in place to draw in more customers. They know that very few will really play with the advantage and that most will simply make enough mistakes in play for the house to overcome the advantage. There may be times when casinos just screw up on rules and provide an advantage.
Talking about cheating is a whole different thing. I would hope the original poster would self-exile himself from this board because he wants to do something that is not in the spirit of the service the Wizard and our friends here provide...namely, good gambling info based on the math, some great stories, and some lively discussion.
Counting cards is not cheating, but casinos will kick you out for it. That is because they can choose who is and isn't allowed to gamble on their property. If counting was cheating, it would be a criminal offense.
Seeking out advantage situations--special rules, etc. is also not cheating. The casino puts those rules in place to draw in more customers. They know that very few will really play with the advantage and that most will simply make enough mistakes in play for the house to overcome the advantage. There may be times when casinos just screw up on rules and provide an advantage.
Talking about cheating is a whole different thing. I would hope the original poster would self-exile himself from this board because he wants to do something that is not in the spirit of the service the Wizard and our friends here provide...namely, good gambling info based on the math, some great stories, and some lively discussion.
July 2nd, 2010 at 7:22:14 AM
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Quote: f2dSo, I'm currently about a month and a half into my advantage playing "career", and I'm exploring the possibility of teaming up with someone likeminded.
Obviously these people dont walk around the casino with a sign on them. I'm just wondering what's the best way to network with these type of people?
I'm actually currently looking for someone to work with who's capable of marking cards, since I thought of a scam that can generate a massive edge against the house (6 - 7%). They'd never see it coming since this isn't some crap I pulled off the internet or some movie. It's an add on of my current advantage playing and it'll be something that's most likely never been done before. The down side of course is that this requires multiple people at the table to pull off.
Quoted for posterity in case OP decides to delete.
You do realize you are soliciting illegal behavior which is itself a crime in many jurisdictions including Nevada? And that this is a public board where your IP can be traced?
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
July 2nd, 2010 at 7:24:40 AM
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How does one find/create a 7% advantage over the house without some kind of house mistake anyway?
July 2nd, 2010 at 7:35:42 AM
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Quote: JerryLoganHow does one find/create a 7% advantage over the house without some kind of house mistake anyway?
You can't unless you scam/cheat...which is what the poster is looking to do.
Why not post a question asking to hook up with people to run a phishing scam, or a bank scam, or heck just to go rob a bank? Because that's what the OP is the equivalent of.
Moderators may want to look at banning this user. I don't think they want these boards to become a haven for this kind of behavior.
July 2nd, 2010 at 7:43:39 AM
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Ditto. Ditto BIG time!Quote: RonCI agree with the sentiment that there is a difference between "advantage play" and "cheating"...
I would hope the original poster would self-exile himself from this board because he wants to do something that is not in the spirit of the service the Wizard and our friends here provide.
Wow. Never thought of that. Smart move!Quote: teddysQuoted for posterity in case OP decides to delete.
f2d -
In the spirit of considering to offer forgiveness, I'm interested in hearing how you feel about the responses.
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July 2nd, 2010 at 7:45:47 AM
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I don't think anyone here would report a card counter to security but I dare say that most of the people on this site would indeed report their suspicions about a card marker. Nowadays women with make-up filled compacts are not as commonly encountered as they used to be but the casinos are still alert to daubers or players wearing tinted contact lenses.
If casinos make miscalculations about the odds or miscalculations about the public's response to a promotion, advantage players may descend on the casino in full force, but things like card marking or jimmying a slot machine are simply outright crimes and are not part of gambling at all.
If casinos make miscalculations about the odds or miscalculations about the public's response to a promotion, advantage players may descend on the casino in full force, but things like card marking or jimmying a slot machine are simply outright crimes and are not part of gambling at all.
July 2nd, 2010 at 7:48:56 AM
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I think that famed mis-print on the Sic Bo layout gave advantage players a substantial edge, but the casino noticed all the out-of-towners flocking to that table and winning.Quote: JerryLoganHow does one find/create a 7% advantage over the house without some kind of house mistake anyway?
July 2nd, 2010 at 7:55:19 AM
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Quote: FleaStiffI don't think anyone here would report a card counter to security but I dare say that most of the people on this site would indeed report their suspicions about a card marker. Nowadays women with make-up filled compacts are not as commonly encountered as they used to be but the casinos are still alert to daubers or players wearing tinted contact lenses.
If casinos make miscalculations about the odds or miscalculations about the public's response to a promotion, advantage players may descend on the casino in full force, but things like card marking or jimmying a slot machine are simply outright crimes and are not part of gambling at all.
I'm not a counter, but I appreciate the skill and dedication of those that do. I'd also assume that the eye in the sky would be a lot quicker to notice a card marker than I would. I gamble for entertainment, not to advantage-play, and when I'm at a casino I'm focusing on having fun, not paying attention to what the heck anyone else is doing.
July 2nd, 2010 at 9:25:19 AM
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Two points:
1) To think you have come up with a way to mark cards that hasn't been thought of before is, well, pretty arrogant.
2) To actually mark cards in a casino is just plain stupid.
If you want to really pursue advantage play, don't mark the cards but rather learn the art of card steering. If you get good at it the "real" AP's will find you.
1) To think you have come up with a way to mark cards that hasn't been thought of before is, well, pretty arrogant.
2) To actually mark cards in a casino is just plain stupid.
If you want to really pursue advantage play, don't mark the cards but rather learn the art of card steering. If you get good at it the "real" AP's will find you.
Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future. - Niels Bohr
July 2nd, 2010 at 2:22:41 PM
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Quote: scotty81Two points:
1) To think you have come up with a way to mark cards that hasn't been thought of before is, well, pretty arrogant.
2) To actually mark cards in a casino is just plain stupid.
If you want to really pursue advantage play, don't mark the cards but rather learn the art of card steering. If you get good at it the "real" AP's will find you.
It wouldn't be a new way of marking cards. It's the card marking added onto an existing advantage play that makes it so much more powerful, and it's at a game where I routinely get cards that are marked or bent up since players are allowed to handle the cards and the house allows people to mishandle the cards without saying anything. (You need to see the way people bend the hell out of these cards to understand, I personally can't believe it's allowed).
I wouldn't even think about doing this if they cared at all about how players handle the cards. I already talked to some people and I made it very clear they're not to have any devices on them (hidden razor blade/pinhead, any kind of liquid to daub with). Any marks would be made while handling the cards in the way the ploppies at the table do. If the house allows you to bend the cards, then there's no reason you shouldn't take advantage of that.
Oh, and I'm not looking for someone ON THIS BOARD to team up with.. Im just wondering how those of you who are part of a team or partnership ended up meeting the players you are now with.
July 2nd, 2010 at 5:16:08 PM
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Quote: f2d
Oh, and I'm not looking for someone ON THIS BOARD to team up with.. Im just wondering how those of you who are part of a team or partnership ended up meeting the players you are now with.
Perhaps in prison??? LOL
July 2nd, 2010 at 5:27:47 PM
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What do you mean by house mistake? Sloppy dealers can give you an advantage much larger than 7%.
July 2nd, 2010 at 5:56:57 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearf2d -
In the spirit of considering to offer forgiveness, I'm interested in hearing how you feel about the responses.
Take the deal f2d!
Insurance is closed.
July 2nd, 2010 at 7:03:04 PM
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I am not getting along with my wife. I am thinking about finding somebody to off her. Is this the proper forum for finding somebody to do it?
Come on! Really? I don't know if this guy is kidding or not, but he should be banned right now, to protect us that participate at this site. We should not be participating in a site that is used to recruit partners in crime. And if he is kidding, he should be banned because his shtick is not funny.
Come on! Really? I don't know if this guy is kidding or not, but he should be banned right now, to protect us that participate at this site. We should not be participating in a site that is used to recruit partners in crime. And if he is kidding, he should be banned because his shtick is not funny.
July 3rd, 2010 at 12:59:19 AM
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Quote: JerryLoganHow does one find/create a 7% advantage over the house without some kind of house mistake anyway?
Finding the house mistake would not be cheating. And it may take a partner to exploit that situation. But you are not going to find that situation or that partner here.
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July 3rd, 2010 at 5:09:46 AM
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Quote: f2dIt wouldn't be a new way of marking cards. It's the card marking added onto an existing advantage play that makes it so much more powerful, and it's at a game where I routinely get cards that are marked or bent up since players are allowed to handle the cards and the house allows people to mishandle the cards without saying anything. (You need to see the way people bend the hell out of these cards to understand, I personally can't believe it's allowed).
If the existing "advantage play" is done without breaking any rules of the game, I think the worst the casino could do is back the player off, as they do in blackjack. From everything I see, blackjack card counters only really get in "trouble" with the law if they TRESPASS (break a law) after being banned (the casino has the right to do that).
Marking cards is cheating and moves this from "advantage play" to a criminal action.
Please take your quest for a partner elsewhere. We don't need cheaters here and, even though you say you aren't looking for one here, it would be bad for this forum if we attracted an element that cheated to it. It isn't my forum; I cannot make you leave...I just hope you will take your desire to commit a crime elsewhere...
July 3rd, 2010 at 1:29:59 PM
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If the casino allows people to bend the cards I don't see what's wrong with taking advantage of that. Like I said, the casino is dumb enough to allow people to blatantly mishandle the cards to the point where there's visible differences on some cards (when looking at the backs). If the ploppies can do it, then so can I. A lot of people handle the cards with 2 hands as well and nothing's ever said about this!
Game protection at this place = a huge failure.
Game protection at this place = a huge failure.
July 3rd, 2010 at 8:46:50 PM
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I'm not sure if it's illegal, but I think it's still, at the very least, unethical.
Then again, the Wiz talks about finding dealers that flash their hole card. That's nothing more that being observant of a specific situation. Is that any different than utilizing the "mark" of bent cards?
Except you're talking about deliberately bending the cards....
Personally, I gotta think that any such bent card marks would be worthless as a cheater's mark since the ploppies will be re-bending the cards. They may even be un-bending your marks, or unintentionally duplicating your marks on other cards.
How can you possibly keep track of such a thing?
Then again, the Wiz talks about finding dealers that flash their hole card. That's nothing more that being observant of a specific situation. Is that any different than utilizing the "mark" of bent cards?
Except you're talking about deliberately bending the cards....
Personally, I gotta think that any such bent card marks would be worthless as a cheater's mark since the ploppies will be re-bending the cards. They may even be un-bending your marks, or unintentionally duplicating your marks on other cards.
How can you possibly keep track of such a thing?
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July 3rd, 2010 at 11:05:40 PM
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HA! Ethics in a casino.
You mean the place that makes a living off taking advantage of people's vices? Or the place that routinely gives people credit they know they cant afford to pay back? Trust me, I don't feel the least bit sorry for these places.
Well.. obviously a good marker would be able to differentiate between his own marks and ones made by ploppies.. as far as them unbending our marks or making similar marks on wrong cards, that's just part of the game and a risk that i have to take. If they actually had proper rules in place this opportunity wouldn't exist.
You mean the place that makes a living off taking advantage of people's vices? Or the place that routinely gives people credit they know they cant afford to pay back? Trust me, I don't feel the least bit sorry for these places.
Well.. obviously a good marker would be able to differentiate between his own marks and ones made by ploppies.. as far as them unbending our marks or making similar marks on wrong cards, that's just part of the game and a risk that i have to take. If they actually had proper rules in place this opportunity wouldn't exist.
July 4th, 2010 at 3:36:51 AM
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Quote: f2dHA! Ethics in a casino.
You mean the place that makes a living off taking advantage of people's vices? Or the place that routinely gives people credit they know they cant afford to pay back? Trust me, I don't feel the least bit sorry for these places.
So then by your morals it would be OK to hold up a liquor store that sold to an alcoholic, or a gas station that sells cigarettes?
And how about robbing a bank that gave out mortgages to people that could never pay them back?
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July 4th, 2010 at 4:40:48 AM
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Casinos don't force people to gamble. They have a business that offers a game where they normally have an advantage, and that every player knows they have an advantage (although the average player may not know to what extent).
And although mistakes are made often, their intention is to run an honest game.
I.E. They don't take advantage of a vice. They merely provide the vice. Nobody is forced to play.
As far as the casino credit thing goes, I've never used it, so I don't know all the inner workings. But when I bought a house 13 years ago, the banker gave me a mortgage limit that was more than double what I ended up using. Had I bought a house that was double in price, it would have been foreclosed upon about 10 years ago. Instead, I used my better judgement and got a house I could afford, and still live there.
I.E. Casino credit departments are probably no better or worse than banks.
And although mistakes are made often, their intention is to run an honest game.
I.E. They don't take advantage of a vice. They merely provide the vice. Nobody is forced to play.
As far as the casino credit thing goes, I've never used it, so I don't know all the inner workings. But when I bought a house 13 years ago, the banker gave me a mortgage limit that was more than double what I ended up using. Had I bought a house that was double in price, it would have been foreclosed upon about 10 years ago. Instead, I used my better judgement and got a house I could afford, and still live there.
I.E. Casino credit departments are probably no better or worse than banks.
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July 4th, 2010 at 6:05:34 AM
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Rationalizing cheating the casino because they cater to a vice?
Somebody 86 this dumbass right now. He just called one of our favorite past times a vice. It's an entertainment source, just like going to the movies.
Maybe you can also rationalize your cheating by saying that they are big bad corporations deserving of abuse. "Business" is a great whipping boy these days in our society. (I wish we had a "rolls eye" icon so I could use it here)
Somebody 86 this dumbass right now. He just called one of our favorite past times a vice. It's an entertainment source, just like going to the movies.
Maybe you can also rationalize your cheating by saying that they are big bad corporations deserving of abuse. "Business" is a great whipping boy these days in our society. (I wish we had a "rolls eye" icon so I could use it here)
July 4th, 2010 at 6:35:45 AM
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Quote: BigTip
Somebody 86 this dumbass right now. He just called one of our favorite past times a vice. It's an entertainment source, just like going to the movies.
Maybe you can also rationalize your cheating by saying that they are big bad corporations deserving of abuse. "Business" is a great whipping boy these days in our society. (I wish we had a "rolls eye" icon so I could use it here)
I second the motion. First he states he is just looking for someone to team up with, somehting many of us wonder about doing. But then he makes the absurd comment about a "7% Player advantage" which most of us know is impossible over the long haul. We also know if you did get this kind of advantage it woulod be so obvious you would be better directly sending Griffin Investigations a picture you like so you don't look like a mug shot in their book.
Then he says it is about "bendng" cards. Dice control and card counting are within the rules even though casinos may 86 you if you win too much. Marking cards is not OK and can get you time in the can.
THEN he rationalizes it by saying "the casinos catrer to a vice." I don't know where to start with this one. It is like stealing something from someone because "they have plenty of 'x' and won't miss one." Or think of the scene in "Falling Down" where the street bum "asks" Michael Douglas for one of his briefcases because "you have 2 and I have none, is that fair?" (I won't even tell an example in today's politics because it would start a war here.)
So yes, 86 him. He gives the rest of advantage players a bad name by trying to associate with us.
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July 4th, 2010 at 9:30:37 AM
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I don't have a problem with F2D.
If a casino is letting you handle cards, I see an ethical problem with you knowing in advance what cards are being dealt, and in the blackjack world, I would think you would mark face cards.
However, I don't see a legal problem with it as long as they are not using any mechanical or other device to mark the card. Absolutely, if I were the casino, I would be changing cards out frequently and looking for unusual play to see what was up.
We're all at a casino to (hopefully) win and to be entertained, and when I am in the casino I play an honest game. Some people don't play an honest game, using the common excuses "it's a large corporation", "they always have the advantage", "they don't publish their slot machine statistics", "they are cheating you", and so on and so forth. Personally, I don't have a problem with unethical behaviour in a casino based on the belief system that the player has. I of course do have a huge problem with illegal behaviour.
If a casino is letting you handle cards, I see an ethical problem with you knowing in advance what cards are being dealt, and in the blackjack world, I would think you would mark face cards.
However, I don't see a legal problem with it as long as they are not using any mechanical or other device to mark the card. Absolutely, if I were the casino, I would be changing cards out frequently and looking for unusual play to see what was up.
We're all at a casino to (hopefully) win and to be entertained, and when I am in the casino I play an honest game. Some people don't play an honest game, using the common excuses "it's a large corporation", "they always have the advantage", "they don't publish their slot machine statistics", "they are cheating you", and so on and so forth. Personally, I don't have a problem with unethical behaviour in a casino based on the belief system that the player has. I of course do have a huge problem with illegal behaviour.
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July 4th, 2010 at 10:54:51 AM
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I don't know about you, but I'll take any advantage I can get in the casino as long as it's not blatantly illegal (like grabbing checks outta the dealer's rack)
This case would be extremely borderline since the casino allows people to mishandle cards, and there won't be any device (or daub or whatever) being used to mark the cards. It would merely be someone bending the cards far enough so that they don't fully return to their original shape. It wouldn't even need to be done surreptitiously when you're allowed to hold the cards with 2 hands and bend the hell out of them in plain view of the dealer!
Like I said, the casino doesn't have proper rules in place to protect themselves from people mishandling cards, and don't change the decks often enough, and the pit crew doesn't supervise the games (even for a $500 buy in they just glance over and say "go ahead" without verifying the transaction). I even chatted with one of the pit guys I've gotten to know there and he told me the favorite part about his job was being able to watch TV all day (aka, NOT watch the games being dealt in the pit).
I also got a large credit line at the casino with practically no questions asked. They didn't bother running a credit check or anything, just called my bank to see how much money I have in my account. (Which I presume is standard practice at most places).
This case would be extremely borderline since the casino allows people to mishandle cards, and there won't be any device (or daub or whatever) being used to mark the cards. It would merely be someone bending the cards far enough so that they don't fully return to their original shape. It wouldn't even need to be done surreptitiously when you're allowed to hold the cards with 2 hands and bend the hell out of them in plain view of the dealer!
Like I said, the casino doesn't have proper rules in place to protect themselves from people mishandling cards, and don't change the decks often enough, and the pit crew doesn't supervise the games (even for a $500 buy in they just glance over and say "go ahead" without verifying the transaction). I even chatted with one of the pit guys I've gotten to know there and he told me the favorite part about his job was being able to watch TV all day (aka, NOT watch the games being dealt in the pit).
I also got a large credit line at the casino with practically no questions asked. They didn't bother running a credit check or anything, just called my bank to see how much money I have in my account. (Which I presume is standard practice at most places).
July 4th, 2010 at 12:35:39 PM
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f2d: Just remember that 3 card monte is based on very much the same thing. You see a "bend" that you think no one else sees, and then proceed to lose your money. What you need to do is just go in and test your theory. Why do you need a partner? If, over the course of several days you find yourself losing, yet the casino attitude toward your act remains the same, it may just be that these folks aren't quite as stupid as you think they are.
If something seems too good to be true, it generally isn't.
If something seems too good to be true, it generally isn't.
Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future. - Niels Bohr
July 4th, 2010 at 3:50:21 PM
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Quote: scotty81f2d: Just remember that 3 card monte is based on very much the same thing. You see a "bend" that you think no one else sees, and then proceed to lose your money. What you need to do is just go in and test your theory. Why do you need a partner? If, over the course of several days you find yourself losing, yet the casino attitude toward your act remains the same, it may just be that these folks aren't quite as stupid as you think they are.
If something seems too good to be true, it generally isn't.
I'm already APing the game, up $6000 last month on them (without doing anything that would even be considered questionable). Teamplay would result in a far larger advantage with less variance. I should be able to earn $7000 - $9000 for July, but a good team mate could result in team earnings of $30K easily
And 3 card monte is a far different story. That game is run by cheats. This game is being run by a licensed casino who isn't switching out the cards surreptitiously
July 8th, 2010 at 8:35:04 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
July 9th, 2010 at 2:46:26 AM
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Marking, bending, daubing: all are illegal. Playing to a bent card that someone else has bent will still get you an arrest and a day in court to "prove" your innocence. A popular scam is to have one team mark the deck and another play to it never handling the cards suspiciously. There are far more advantageous plays and safer ways to play a mismarked or abused deck.
If you play to a marked deck, that has been marked by other players, wether or not you intentionally planned or simply noticed the flaws, you face jail time- period. And without the legal fallback that Grosjean had. If you spot a marked deck that only the house has handled, this is perfectly legal.
The only people this play will attract are those unafraid or too desperate to worry about jail time. These same characters are likely known and even more likely to point you out as the "mastermind" of the plot to cheat the casinos. A marked deck in evidence is basically an open and shut case. There are a gazillion and one legal ways to gain an advantage using common sense and weaknesses.
And how many months of beating this house with an illegal scheme do you think you have before even the most inept Floor/Surveillance calls in someone with experience? Most joints that allow a patron to handle the cards now cannot fade a $10k/month leak and your play will be scrutinized.
You should factor in future legal fees into your cost of doing business before you calculate the total edge, as soon, either a live or mug shot will circulate the casinos along with a detain on sight memo attached.
If you play to a marked deck, that has been marked by other players, wether or not you intentionally planned or simply noticed the flaws, you face jail time- period. And without the legal fallback that Grosjean had. If you spot a marked deck that only the house has handled, this is perfectly legal.
The only people this play will attract are those unafraid or too desperate to worry about jail time. These same characters are likely known and even more likely to point you out as the "mastermind" of the plot to cheat the casinos. A marked deck in evidence is basically an open and shut case. There are a gazillion and one legal ways to gain an advantage using common sense and weaknesses.
And how many months of beating this house with an illegal scheme do you think you have before even the most inept Floor/Surveillance calls in someone with experience? Most joints that allow a patron to handle the cards now cannot fade a $10k/month leak and your play will be scrutinized.
You should factor in future legal fees into your cost of doing business before you calculate the total edge, as soon, either a live or mug shot will circulate the casinos along with a detain on sight memo attached.
July 9th, 2010 at 4:06:03 AM
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I'm going to stick with the original question without commenting on the morality or legality of the activity that is being proposed.
Here are a few ways that APs have found each other in the past:
* They've spotted each other in the casino
* Conventions of APs provide networking opportunities
* Word-of-mouth along the AP circuit (I'm not part of it, but I'm sure it's out there)
* Finding someone they know & trust that can be trained
* The more famous APs have pictures
* Classified ads (don't laugh; Blackjack Forum had a classified section for just this purpose, and a few others)
Here are a few ways that APs have found each other in the past:
* They've spotted each other in the casino
* Conventions of APs provide networking opportunities
* Word-of-mouth along the AP circuit (I'm not part of it, but I'm sure it's out there)
* Finding someone they know & trust that can be trained
* The more famous APs have pictures
* Classified ads (don't laugh; Blackjack Forum had a classified section for just this purpose, and a few others)
July 9th, 2010 at 8:43:23 AM
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Ever wonder if this magical casino that allows you to mishandle the deck is really a setup to bring out all the cheats/advantage players? How ironic would that be? Imagine a massive sting operation that nabs every cheaterout there.
Then these APs can discuss how they were so close and were perfecting their systems in the can.
Then these APs can discuss how they were so close and were perfecting their systems in the can.
