Do you feel stupid for being a gambler?
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March 17th, 2015 at 4:29:39 PM
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With all the maths telling you that the casinos are out to get you, do you feel weak or stupid for still gambling?
I believe there is a silent majority that thinks that it is worth trying to beat a casino game with the proper method, even if the numbers are against you.
I believe there is a silent majority that thinks that it is worth trying to beat a casino game with the proper method, even if the numbers are against you.
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March 17th, 2015 at 4:31:33 PM
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Do you feel stupid going to the movies? That has an ev of about -1000
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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March 17th, 2015 at 4:58:04 PM
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Why would anyone feel foolish knowing the history of gambling in this, and most other, societies? Why would anyone feel stupid if he were walking thru the casino and Benny Binion greeted him by name? Why would someone reading the Los Angeles Times feel stupid about gambling when the paper was won in a poker game?
March 17th, 2015 at 5:23:18 PM
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I only feel "weak or stupid" when I lose.
"What, me worry?"
March 17th, 2015 at 5:31:12 PM
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I do beat the casinos using the proper methods so no I don't feel stupid since I am a winner.
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March 17th, 2015 at 5:32:30 PM
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I think the people who would answer yes to your question are not reading this board.
March 17th, 2015 at 5:33:04 PM
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I should feel that way if I thought the purpose of my gambling was that I was supposed to make money from the casino by playing casino games, rather than enjoying it. I don't, so I don't. But if I thought that, I would be one of those few unfortunate souls in the casino who is incapable of recognizing the degeneracy of it, and probably have plenty of rationalizations to convince myself I was really very clever, and find a subculture with the same problem to mutually reinforce the belief, and/or to help blame it on the casino or someone or something else.
And yeah, if Benny Binion wanted to greet me by name, I could be pretty sure that I was one of the world's foremost suckers. Or that I was about to be digging a hole in the desert. Into which I would shortly be put.
When did that occur? Otis, or the Chandlers? I'm familiar with the history of the founders of that newspaper, and can't seem to find any reference to that at all. Do you have a suggestion for where one might find that story?Quote: FleaStiffWhy would someone reading the Los Angeles Times feel stupid about gambling when the paper was won in a poker game?
And yeah, if Benny Binion wanted to greet me by name, I could be pretty sure that I was one of the world's foremost suckers. Or that I was about to be digging a hole in the desert. Into which I would shortly be put.
Suck dope, watch TV, make up stuff, be somebody on the internet.
March 17th, 2015 at 5:39:47 PM
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If you enjoy it do it. How many people sit at home with their 2.3 kids, mortgage paid, 2 cars in the driveway and sit and watch t.v. They hate their lives but are stuck....I thank god he gave me the capacity to enjoy myself. So drink gamble eat fuck, because one day you will be dust.
get second you pig
March 17th, 2015 at 6:05:21 PM
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Through the good and bad, I always come back to gambling. I am not a drinker, not a smoker and not a drug user.
It is not the gambling alone though - it is the vibe and adrenaline rush I get as you enter the casino (more so in Las Vegas than AC) but there is that feeling, a feeling of limitlessness - of walking on air, of being treated well, of the social aspect of the game - just an overall feeling of being "special" (and yes, I know this feeling will be taken away from me as soon as my average bet and time of play fall below the Mendoza line) but, while it is available to me, I bask in its glory.
It is not the gambling alone though - it is the vibe and adrenaline rush I get as you enter the casino (more so in Las Vegas than AC) but there is that feeling, a feeling of limitlessness - of walking on air, of being treated well, of the social aspect of the game - just an overall feeling of being "special" (and yes, I know this feeling will be taken away from me as soon as my average bet and time of play fall below the Mendoza line) but, while it is available to me, I bask in its glory.
March 17th, 2015 at 6:32:29 PM
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Quote: GWAEDo you feel stupid going to the movies? That has an ev of about -1000
Quote: SigsevI think the people who would answer yes to your question are not reading this board.
^bingo, bango.
"Rule No.1: Never lose money. Rule No.2: Never forget rule No.1." -Warren Buffett on risk/return
March 17th, 2015 at 6:41:54 PM
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Nope.
I know the odds, play within my means, and love the characters and action around a craps table.
If I make any money, that's just a little icing on the cake.
I know the odds, play within my means, and love the characters and action around a craps table.
If I make any money, that's just a little icing on the cake.
March 17th, 2015 at 7:35:45 PM
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This! Also feel "week or stupid" for not being able to pick certain things up quickly (i.e. Card counting). Being able to go beyond a crash course in black jack and memorize that horrible horrible basic strategy chart. I feel week and stupid for going to a casino and losing $200 on slots, then another $200 on black jack that I really needed. Dont worry I have not repeated that mistake I am staying out of the casinos for now.
March 17th, 2015 at 7:37:36 PM
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Quote: aceofspades- just an overall feeling of being "special" ... but, while it is available to me, I bask in its glory.
Yeah, I feel that way every time I fire up the Ferrari.
"What, me worry?"
March 17th, 2015 at 7:41:18 PM
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Quote: MrVYeah, I feel that way every time I fire up the Ferrari.
Very nice
March 17th, 2015 at 7:50:44 PM
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Quote: MrVYeah, I feel that way every time I fire up the Ferrari.
1957 250 GT California? :)
March 17th, 2015 at 8:25:06 PM
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LOL
Nah.
Not a garage queen, and not (yet, or probably ever) a collectable, which is fine with me.
An "affordable" exotic: '95 456 GT.
V-12, gated.
Bought it at the bottom of its depreciation curve, and sent it to a specialist to be sorted out.
I only mentioned it because it gives me the same feeling of being "special" that AOS was talking about.
We get our "fixes" where we can find them.
Nah.
Not a garage queen, and not (yet, or probably ever) a collectable, which is fine with me.
An "affordable" exotic: '95 456 GT.
V-12, gated.
Bought it at the bottom of its depreciation curve, and sent it to a specialist to be sorted out.
I only mentioned it because it gives me the same feeling of being "special" that AOS was talking about.
We get our "fixes" where we can find them.
"What, me worry?"
March 17th, 2015 at 8:53:54 PM
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I feel stupid when all the handicap parking spots
are taken.
are taken.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 17th, 2015 at 9:20:44 PM
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I feel fine when I win and stupid when I lose, especially when I was ahead for a while.
March 17th, 2015 at 9:34:05 PM
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Yes if I play a -EV machine and lose I feel guilty. Sometimes I try a new sot or VP machine to see how they work, I may need that information quickly during a unexpectedly promotion, or sudden change in an existing one. If I lose, I feel bad, even if I gather useful information. Testing various slots and new VP games has been very helpful. I know what fits best for various promotions. Still I'm at odds with doing so(I feel stupid even if I lose $40, $200 loss and I would feel like a complete idiot).
Ill slap in a 20 at the bar for a "free drink" I don't sit and calculate exactly how many hands I can play and still remain +EV, sometimes I win a few hundred,sometimes I lose $20 or break even I have hit 5 Royals doing so. My GF just hit one 2 or 3 days ago with $12 in(a forum member seen it a oic was taken) . I'm 100% certain we are way ahead of hustling comped drinks at the bar. Sometimes I know dam well I gave up more than the cost of the drink by playing to many hands (I do feel guilty and stupid ).
I could play 3 hands and guarantee i'm free rolling the drink and tip but I feel like a heel doing so, it's not something I care about to much playing extra, if I lose $20 to $40 its much less in -EV so that isn't bad.
Lets assume there was no possible AP available again, I would feel like a stupid idiot going to a casino and losing more than $30 or $10 in EV.
Someone compared a movie with gaming entertainment, and thats fine if you're -EV is that of the cost of a movie, but I know thats complete BS with 99.99 % of anyone who gambles.
I personally would never plan a trip to a gaming destination to gamble without an advantage play, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY FEEL STUPID. Especially when someone can come to Vegas and earn $300 in EV and still do all the fun stuff.
Ill slap in a 20 at the bar for a "free drink" I don't sit and calculate exactly how many hands I can play and still remain +EV, sometimes I win a few hundred,sometimes I lose $20 or break even I have hit 5 Royals doing so. My GF just hit one 2 or 3 days ago with $12 in(a forum member seen it a oic was taken) . I'm 100% certain we are way ahead of hustling comped drinks at the bar. Sometimes I know dam well I gave up more than the cost of the drink by playing to many hands (I do feel guilty and stupid ).
I could play 3 hands and guarantee i'm free rolling the drink and tip but I feel like a heel doing so, it's not something I care about to much playing extra, if I lose $20 to $40 its much less in -EV so that isn't bad.
Lets assume there was no possible AP available again, I would feel like a stupid idiot going to a casino and losing more than $30 or $10 in EV.
Someone compared a movie with gaming entertainment, and thats fine if you're -EV is that of the cost of a movie, but I know thats complete BS with 99.99 % of anyone who gambles.
I personally would never plan a trip to a gaming destination to gamble without an advantage play, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY FEEL STUPID. Especially when someone can come to Vegas and earn $300 in EV and still do all the fun stuff.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 17th, 2015 at 9:40:16 PM
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That explains a lot.Quote: EvenBobI feel stupid when all the handicap parking spots
are taken.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 22nd, 2015 at 3:14:11 PM
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I would like to point out, that although we do like to show like rational, self-aware and disciplined gentlemen, in reality human nature does not work like that.
It is my opinion that we are much less in total control of our behavior than we might like to think we are. Not to mention the word passion or free will. That would be a whole new philosophical discussion.
I would like to congratulate the people who voted "Yes and No" and "Yes". It is a sign of self examination and honesty.
It is my opinion that we are much less in total control of our behavior than we might like to think we are. Not to mention the word passion or free will. That would be a whole new philosophical discussion.
I would like to congratulate the people who voted "Yes and No" and "Yes". It is a sign of self examination and honesty.
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March 22nd, 2015 at 4:37:50 PM
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I feel stupid when I've BEEN stupid and lady luck has seen me be stupid and caned me for it: E.g. popping several hundred pounds into my online account and playing it while drunk, drinking, and tired.
Rest of the time. Nah! it's entertainment money.
Rest of the time. Nah! it's entertainment money.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
March 22nd, 2015 at 5:51:29 PM
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I enjoy telling people I gamble, then boring them with the math. I only feel stupid when I lose more than I'm comfortable with, which still happens. However, there's nothing like it within the easily accessible drug market. So I go to Vegas.
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March 22nd, 2015 at 5:57:02 PM
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Quote: KavourasI would like to congratulate the people who voted "Yes and No" and "Yes". It is a sign of self examination and honesty.
Guess I voted incorrectly. Damn.
March 22nd, 2015 at 6:10:04 PM
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Me too, damn. I guess I'll start taking me entertainment $$ to the ballgame and enjoy the $5 beer and $7 hotdogs. Now there's some +EV.
March 22nd, 2015 at 10:04:53 PM
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Quote: CalderGuess I voted incorrectly. Damn.
LOL I'll give you a second chance!
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March 22nd, 2015 at 11:58:20 PM
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Quote: KavourasI would like to point out, that although we do like to show like rational, self-aware and disciplined gentlemen, in reality human nature does not work like that.
It is my opinion that we are much less in total control of our behavior than we might like to think we are. Not to mention the word passion or free will. That would be a whole new philosophical discussion.
I would like to congratulate the people who voted "Yes and No" and "Yes". It is a sign of self examination and honesty.
Wow. That there is a whole lot of judgment packed into a teeny, tiny couple of sentences. I think the question itself was "stupid", but that wasn't an option on the poll.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
March 23rd, 2015 at 2:26:48 AM
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Life is a gamble. We take chances everyday in order to live. I don't think we feel stupid for being gamblers as much as we feel stupid for losing money that could have been spent on food, rent activities, etc. I think we beat ourselves up for not making better bets or following or own rules etc.
March 23rd, 2015 at 7:22:56 AM
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That's like asking avid sportsl fans if they feel stupid buying season tickets. Why would you do something you enjoy if you feel stupid doing it? The question seems to have a negative built in toward guilt about spending your money on what the questiner feels isn't right. Oh well, it keeps life interesting.
March 23rd, 2015 at 9:23:26 AM
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Quote: AsswhoopermcdaddyLife is a gamble. We take chances everyday in order to live. I don't think we feel stupid for being gamblers as much as we feel stupid for losing money that could have been spent on food, rent activities, etc. I think we beat ourselves up for not making better bets or following or own rules etc.
+1 especially the last sentence. And I agree yes and no is the correct answer :)
$1700, 18, 19, 1920, 40, 60,... :/ Thx 'Do it again'. I'll try
March 23rd, 2015 at 9:51:04 AM
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Quote: Sabretom2Me too, damn. I guess I'll start taking me entertainment $$ to the ballgame and enjoy the $5 beer and $7 hotdogs. Now there's some +EV.
What ballgames are you going to where a beer is only $5? I am a partial Chicago White Sox season ticket holder and a 16 oz Miller Lite is like $8 there
A flute with no holes is not a flute, a donut with no holes is a danish
March 23rd, 2015 at 10:07:02 AM
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I have to think that there's people who say no but they really do feel bad. Anyone that loses more then what they originally planned on probably feels bad for doing so. I'm sure it's the same for anything you do like shopping, vacation, buying a car, gifts, dinners.
If you want to feel bad about something it should probably be anyone frequenting Starbucks ;)
If you want to feel bad about something it should probably be anyone frequenting Starbucks ;)
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 23rd, 2015 at 10:18:52 AM
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Quote: KavourasI would like to point out, that although we do like to show like rational, self-aware and disciplined gentlemen, in reality human nature does not work like that.
It is my opinion that we are much less in total control of our behavior than we might like to think we are. Not to mention the word passion or free will. That would be a whole new philosophical discussion.
I would like to congratulate the people who voted "Yes and No" and "Yes". It is a sign of self examination and honesty.
Well it happens to be true. And in the case of gamblers is more so, and the greater extent of the truth of it has been studied to death by academics investigating the behavior of gamblers. Hoorah for judgment about human behavior, and gamblers' enduring capacity for self-deception.Quote: beachbumbabsWow. That there is a whole lot of judgment packed into a teeny, tiny couple of sentences. I think the question itself was "stupid", but that wasn't an option on the poll.
The Strip casino book I was at day before yesterday was charging the sports fans between $6 & $12 a drink for those without a drink ticket, which would be most of the drinks for most of them who were there watching the NCAA tourney games. The $6 was for a bottle of Bud. While watching the game on TV. From a gal standing by a tub of ice, filled with plain 'ol generic Bud bottles. But, she was dressed in an outstanding outfit, and was well equipped to fill it, so there is that. If you'd walked over to the cheapest option in the place for a hotdog at the casino's deli booth, a dog & chips would've been about $20, without the entertaining outfit handing it to you.Quote: Gabes22What ballgames are you going to where a beer is only $5? I am a partial Chicago White Sox season ticket holder and a 16 oz Miller Lite is like $8 there
But I guess you could take a time-out to go to the slots for a comped drink. And maybe burn enough coin to get the wiener with comp points. How entertaining the process would be will vary by individual. For me, at the slots, not at all, something less than zero for entertainment value. For those who get a real kick out of it and are realistic about the nature of the transaction, more power to ya. For those who are able to use only the least degree of real conscious choice in the matter, of which there are certainly some here telling themselves otherwise and coming here to pursue mutual reassurance that it isn't really what it so obviously is... oh, well.
Suck dope, watch TV, make up stuff, be somebody on the internet.
March 24th, 2015 at 3:55:49 AM
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Stupid? No. Even if other ppl try to make me feel it that way. I do what I like, I find smoking for example much more stupid. :D
March 24th, 2015 at 6:14:19 AM
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Quote: AsswhoopermcdaddyLife is a gamble. We take chances everyday in order to live. I don't think we feel stupid for being gamblers as much as we feel stupid for losing money that could have been spent on food, rent activities, etc. I think we beat ourselves up for not making better bets or following or own rules etc.
+1 from me too
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March 24th, 2015 at 6:17:08 AM
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Quote: Area51That's like asking avid sportsl fans if they feel stupid buying season tickets. Why would you do something you enjoy if you feel stupid doing it? The question seems to have a negative built in toward guilt about spending your money on what the questiner feels isn't right. Oh well, it keeps life interesting.
You make a very good point and I think this is why many people may feel a bit offended by the original question.
I didn't want to give gambling a sense of guilt. I wanted to emphasize that we give up to our irrational selves.
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