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June 23rd, 2010 at 11:45:39 AM permalink
I was having a discussion the other day with friends, and they were asking how much I thought Pit bosses and floor supervisors earn. I said I really no clue, but if I were to guess I'd say $40-60k, max. I don't think in general gaming careers pay all that great. Does anyone know if this is true?

Beyond that, what about further up the chain in management? Does anyone know anyone (or are you) who works in the corporate arms of gaming companies? What kind of career options are there out there. I would assume that there are the standard type financial analyst, accountant, HR, etc..positions that any corporation has. How does one typically get into the industry?
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June 23rd, 2010 at 12:48:57 PM permalink
I would be interested in hearing what various gaming personnel make as well, just for my own curiosity. I also wouldn't mind hearing what kind of benefits, both on the books and off, they may receive.

I talked with a dealer at the Riverside in Laughlin. She had previously worked security for the Riverside in Laughlin. When I asked why she wanted to be a dealer instead, her answer was more money.

I talked with another dealer at a casino in Las Vegas (sorry, I don't remember which one). She used to be a pit supervisor, but she went back to dealing because of the money. From some of her conversation, I would also assume that there was less stress as a dealer, or at least, less stress of a certain kind. But it still seemed like money was an answer.

Here in Phoenix, at the Harrah's Ak-Chin casino, there is a dealer that I found out lives in Sedona. (For those that don't, I don't have 100% accurate numbers, but it's probably around 150 miles, 3 hours one-way.) I evinced surprise at working so far from home really being worth it. She said since the casino doesn't pool tips, it's very well worth it for her, and she's a single mom sending a daughter to college.
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June 23rd, 2010 at 1:37:36 PM permalink
Don't believe all that you hear.
Don't expect to find a place that is TFT (Table For Table) on tips. Most places are mandatory tip pools and Wynn even takes twenty percent of that pool from his employees to pay supervisors). Every dealer feels all the other dealers are leeches because the other dealers lack social skills to bring in tips. Every dealer feels the other shifts get all the big tippers.
Dealers earn minimum wage or so salaries and have to live on tips which vary.
Break-in houses for inexperienced dealers are tough crowds and tough on the wallet. Don't expect ANY benefits. Always expect to work weekends and holidays but remember that extra-board dealers can get sent home unexpectedly.
Dealers live under constant scrutiny and constant shift changes.

Some dealers make sixty to eighty grand, most dealers don't even dream of money that high.
There are various jokes about which casinos are which but there are often three categories: You deal to crack users, you deal to crack sellers or you deal to those who own the crack house. Tips vary by category.

Females obviously do better than males. Foreign language skills help. Wynn announced that dealers and waitresses in his Beach Club will do better than 100G a year. They probably will or atleast they will come close to it. Some break in dealers go all day and wind up with less than ten dollars in tips, most of which they will never see. In some casinos, many dealers and floormen really shouldn't be surprized they are not getting tips.

Floormen and PitBosses don't often do better and sometimes a Floorman will make less than the dealers he supervises.
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June 23rd, 2010 at 1:40:15 PM permalink
Typically, JUICE helps. (Knowing someone). In todays market, those without juice may be wasting their time. Many of those with juice are still unemployed.
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June 23rd, 2010 at 1:54:48 PM permalink
I used to work at the luxor in the sports book, the start pay was like $8.50 and the tips were about another buck an hour with a nice one once in a while. The supervisors however made pretty decent money and they had a 32 hour work week with full benefits. Your typical annual raise was a quarter an hour in good times. Dealers did quite a bit better, making 75k plus. Bartenders were over 100k per year. This was all before MGM took over and it went downhill after that. Used to be if you looked at thedealernews.com they would show the toke board for a lot of casino's on the strip. They Wynn's and Bellagio's would/could hit $300 per day in tips on weekends. The website now requires a subscription to get that info.
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June 23rd, 2010 at 2:02:27 PM permalink
What about traditional management jobs? Such as within the corporate offices of gaming companies? anybody have any knowledge? I mean LVS has a $17.5B market cap...there have to be a lot of traditional white collar jobs in a business that large, right?
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June 23rd, 2010 at 8:34:51 PM permalink
The concept of pooling tips and not pooling tips is very interesting to me. Here in Phoenix, at the Indian Casinos, the majority of them are non-pooled tips. I don't really like this scenario.

As an example, on a night I couldn't sleep, I headed to a local Indian casino and played some three-card poker. I was there for a few hours, just staying around even, maybe a few bucks up. Most of the dealers were typical, in that they were very adequate at their job, and don't stand out in anyway in my mind. I then got a female dealer, who was very pleasant, was very talkative, made an effort to initiate and continue conversation with me, and basically, made me feel like the time she was dealing just flew by. (And before anybody asks, no it wasn't because of her looks. While she wasn't unattractive, she really wasn't my type.) She was a great dealer, very personable, and just plain great to have to talk to. The very next dealer was a guy, and surly. He didn't make any conversation. He only grunted at me. But, after the fourth or fifth hand, he dealt me a straight flush.

I'm not the kind of person to not tip, but I did think about the fact that, because tips are not pooled, this guy would get a huge tip, and the previous dealer didn't get very much from me (I did throw her a few bucks as she was leaving the table even though I didn't have any big wins with her). Considering his attitude was much worse than hers, I couldn't have created a more perfect example. In my feeling, she deserved the money, simply because of her attitude, manner, and pleasant dealing. He didn't deserve as much.


If the tips were pooled, then I wouldn't have to worry about it. I would know that she would get a share of the tips, which would be fair. Instead, I opted to tip him a reasonable amount. When he was being pushed from the table, I told him to tell that dealer, who he would be pushing to the next table, to stop by back and see me. When she came back over, I gave her a tip as well. In my opinion, it was the fair thing to do, considering that she was a pleasant dealer and I would have much rather tipped her, but due to the vagaries of the shuffling/dealing machine, she just didn't give me the right hand.

One of my favorite games is PaiGow Poker. However, it's been my experience that very few players tip the dealers at that game. Sometimes if a player gets a large win on a bonus bet, they may throw a few bucks at the dealer. But other than that, it's a low tipping game. I've had various dealers tell me that they get relatively few tips at the PaiGow Poker Table.

When tips are pooled, I've noticed that the PGP dealers tend to be more pleasant as opposed to places where tips are not pooled. When tips are not pooled, I believe that the dealer knows they will (most likely)n not be making any tip money during that 20-30 minutes they are dealing PGP, and they can only think about the fact that if they were at practically any other table, they would at least be making something. On the flip side, if tips are pooled, the dealers know that putting in their time at PGP is ok, because at some other table, tips are rolling in, and a portion of those will end up in their pocket.

I'm not making any argument for or against pooled tips. I can definitely see pros and cons to both sides. I just find the entire concept fascinating. It would be nice if we had a number of dealers on this site to give us their opinions.
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June 24th, 2010 at 5:30:56 AM permalink
I understand your argument but I respectfully disagree, I am a Male blackjack dealer in Arizona, at one of the Indian Casinos. My Casino does not tip pool and I would never work anywhere that did. There are definitely times when a tip pool would benefit me but on a yearly basis it would lower my earnings. I have experience in casinos that tip pool as well, and it seems as if the average dealer there just cant wait for their shift to end. They dont seem to care as much if theyre players are winning or losing, or tipping or not tipping. It seems like the general attitude is "Do what I have to to keep my hours and keep my job, nothing more."

As opposed to casinos that do not pool their tips, they are encouraged to put in that extra effort to make sure you are enjoying your time with them. Whether its chatting with you while casually playing, shutting the hell up and throwing fast cards for the serious player, or flagging the drink girl down for the half-drunk, Non tip pooling dealers are 10x more inclined to put in that extra effort for the players because thats how we make that extra buck.

I have my regulars, they know me and love me, but more specifically, I know them. And i know them well. I know how they play and what they like to do, or talk about, or not talk about. All those little things make the job more profitable.

As to your specific situation.... Consider it this way. On any table with an automatic shuffler, the dealers pretty much have an equal chance of dealing that big hand, for 3card poker, trips or a straightflush. We arent on the table long so dealing either one of the two on our down isnt bad. But unfortunately its not always when you want it to come or who you want it to go to.

Personally, I feel that your extra tip to the female dealer was very nice of you but completely unnecesssary. If the dealer who actually dealt you the straightflush was nothing special to you, odds are he was nothing special to anyone else either. In other words, hes most likely averaging half of what the female dealer makes. He probably counts on the big payoffs like that straightflush he dealt you to make his tips, whereas the female dealer can make money on every table without having to pay something 40 to 1.

Its my opinion that the amount you earn as a blackjack dealer depends on 2 main variables, the house you work for, and your (the dealer) personality. If a dealer can come into a table of grouchy losing players and get them laughing and enjoying themselves again, they can make 100K+ per year. Its all about keeping your players entertained. A dealers yearly earnings is 90% personality, 10% luck. Even a losing player, if he is laughing and having a good time while playing, is most likely going to throw you a few bucks when you leave.

The girl is going to do fine with or without your extra tip for her. Not because shes a girl, because she knows how to feel out a stranger and talk to them. Thats a valuable skill in this business.
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June 24th, 2010 at 6:15:27 AM permalink
Quote: Negasie

Personally, I feel that your extra tip to the female dealer was very nice of you but completely unnecesssary.

I disagree. I get the feeling that if it weren't for that fun female dealer, konceptum might have gone home even before that dealer was done. In that case, the female dealer really DID deserve it!


Quote: Negasie

Even a losing player, if he is laughing and having a good time while playing, is most likely going to throw you a few bucks when you leave.

Absolutely!

A few years back, I was at a $10 BJ table, I think at New York New York, with a fun dealer. Then I put up a $1 dealer bet. The dealer, almost shouted, "Woo hoo! Dealer's in the game!"

Although I gave him a few more bets, and he continued to do that, it had me thinking and confused.

Was he really excited about the bet?
Was he just being personable and fun?
Was he trying to induce more dealer bets from other players?
Was he being sarcastic, since it was only a buck?

I really wanted to ask, but didn't have the balls.
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June 24th, 2010 at 6:50:54 AM permalink
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I disagree. I get the feeling that if it weren't for that fun female dealer, konceptum might have gone home even before that dealer was done. In that case, the female dealer really DID deserve it!

Was he really excited about the bet?
Was he just being personable and fun?
Was he trying to induce more dealer bets from other players?
Was he being sarcastic, since it was only a buck?

I really wanted to ask, but didn't have the balls.



I would prefer if the dealers simply thanked you for the action and not make sarcastic comments. I remember giving some dealers a C/E bet on a craps table and one of the dealers remarked "looks like no gas money tonight". I wanted to take it back down the moment he said it.
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June 24th, 2010 at 7:38:47 AM permalink
In any tip pool the best empployees lose and the worst employees win. Within these extremes, it may be there's little difference. But a good dealer, or a waiter for that matter, who can get customers to tip above average and get them to feel good about doing so, will gain more if he doesn't pool his tips. The same goes for sales comissions, BTW.

On other things, while I always tip the delaers I rarely make bets for them. My reasoning is that since all gamblers know they'll lose in the long run, then if all tips were given as bets the dealer should wind up with a net tip of zero.

Another reason is that I feel I'm playing with the dealer, the way a cat plays with a mouse. I mean, either tip him or not, but don't leave him in suspense over whether he'll get a tip or not. It feels like gambling with someone else's money.

I understand the idea of betting the tip. If it wins, you tip the dealer more and you use the casino's money to do so. At Excalibur a player placed a $5 pair+ bet for the dealer (alongside his own), and it hit a striaght. Dealer winds up with a $35 tip and the player only spends $5. Neat. But at the Fremont and Bally's I saw players place simialr bets for the dealer and they all lost. Net tip zero. In all cases the cost for the player is the same.

Instead I tip about my average bet from time to time, or just once in a short session.
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June 24th, 2010 at 8:10:13 AM permalink
Whenever I am at the casino,I will ask the dealer if they want me to place a wager for them or do they just want to put it straight in the toke box?Simply put,some dealers are gamblers and other see what it does to some players and will take the sure thing.The dealer comment about being in the game was probably said loud enough to motivate other players(even at other tables) to stimulate more action for the dealers.I also see them rapping the chips loudly on the toke box to let other dealers know when they get a tip.I usually play at Hollywood Casino in Lawrenceburg,IN and the dealers in the celebrity pit(like the impersonators at IP if they still have them) keep all their tokes.Their is about 10 tables they rotate around about 30 minutes per table I believe.They make around $6 per hour and they all have their own toke boxes they take from table to table.
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June 24th, 2010 at 8:23:01 AM permalink
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Whenever I am at the casino,I will ask the dealer if they want me to place a wager for them or do they just want to put it straight in the toke box?Simply put,some dealers are gamblers and other see what it does to some players and will take the sure thing.The dealer comment about being in the game was probably said loud enough to motivate other players(even at other tables) to stimulate more action for the dealers.I also see them rapping the chips loudly on the toke box to let other dealers know when they get a tip.I usually play at Hollywood Casino in Lawrenceburg,IN and the dealers in the celebrity pit(like the impersonators at IP if they still have them) keep all their tokes.Their is about 10 tables they rotate around about 30 minutes per table I believe.They make around $6 per hour and they all have their own toke boxes they take from table to table.



I recently made my first trip to Hollywood since they opened the new casino. I was pretty blown away by the improvement over the prior boat. Its nice to be on a one-story casino, rather than the mulitple floors of all the other boats.

Do you ever go to any of the other casinos on the Ohio? Grand Vic, Belterra?? The only other one I've been to is Horseshoe SI, and while it was nice, it was nothing compared with Hollywood.
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June 24th, 2010 at 8:47:36 AM permalink
It has been about a year since I have been to Grand Victoria.They are much more generous with comps there,but they took out some tables and are now catering more to the slot players.It was frustrating if I couldn't find a decent table to play on,so I'd end up going to hollywood and now I mainly go there.I like the vibe there in the celebrity pit and as a non-smoker,the high ceilings also figure into it.Belterra is small,but they are friendly and I hear the food is excellent.Used to be a regular at Caesars until Harrah's made them Horseshoe SI.I haven't seen much improvement for the players at all since they made the switch.Cannot figure out Harrah's total rewards for the life of me.They just seem so more tight then when it used to be Caesars.Their hotel is still nice from what I understand and Legends is a very good place to eat.BJ last I heard was all machine shuffle(not continuous shuffle though) and 8 decks except for high limits.Used to have 2 deck pitch which was also machine shuffle,but I hear it is now history.You may try Grand Vic and see what you think...they do have a (15?) table poker room on the top floor if that interests you.And they are friendly.Good luck to you.
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June 24th, 2010 at 8:54:13 AM permalink
Quote: ruascott

I recently made my first trip to Hollywood since they opened the new casino. I was pretty blown away by the improvement over the prior boat. Its nice to be on a one-story casino, rather than the mulitple floors of all the other boats.

Do you ever go to any of the other casinos on the Ohio? Grand Vic, Belterra?? The only other one I've been to is Horseshoe SI, and while it was nice, it was nothing compared with Hollywood.




I have been to them all. Belterra is the nicest of them all, in my opinion. Their boat was solid average, but the on-land area was ridiculously posh. Hollywood was very nice all around(I went after the new facility opened). On a scale of 0 to 10, with 0 being "I would never have left the highway if I knew how crappy this place was" and 10 being "I don't ever want to leave" Belterra was a 9 out of 10, Hollywood would be maybe 8.5(depending on how much bonus you give for the 1 floor advantage), HSI 7.5 or 7 . Grand Vic would be a 5.5, and Casino Aztar would be 2. French Lick is in the same general area, but not on the river. The casino there is also on 1 floor, and the hotel is exceptional. The only thing is that the casino is kind of dumpy, like it was an afterthought to the spa and hotel. I'd give it a 4 out of 10, with a 2 point bonus if you were a) bringing your wife or b) staying there.
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June 24th, 2010 at 10:22:58 AM permalink
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It has been about a year since I have been to Grand Victoria.They are much more generous with comps there,but they took out some tables and are now catering more to the slot players.It was frustrating if I couldn't find a decent table to play on,so I'd end up going to hollywood and now I mainly go there.I like the vibe there in the celebrity pit and as a non-smoker,the high ceilings also figure into it.Belterra is small,but they are friendly and I hear the food is excellent.Used to be a regular at Caesars until Harrah's made them Horseshoe SI.I haven't seen much improvement for the players at all since they made the switch.Cannot figure out Harrah's total rewards for the life of me.They just seem so more tight then when it used to be Caesars.Their hotel is still nice from what I understand and Legends is a very good place to eat.BJ last I heard was all machine shuffle(not continuous shuffle though) and 8 decks except for high limits.Used to have 2 deck pitch which was also machine shuffle,but I hear it is now history.You may try Grand Vic and see what you think...they do have a (15?) table poker room on the top floor if that interests you.And they are friendly.Good luck to you.



I read on their website that Grand Vic now had table games outdoors on their top floor. They were advertising it as the only outdoor gaming available. I think it was just on the weekends, not sure, but that would be a change of pace.

Back when it was Caesars, that was pretty much the only one I went to. I never understood why they went the exepense and trouble of rebranding it, but what do I know. I thought it was cooler before. I've stayed at the hotel a couple of times and it was pretty nice, nicer than what was then the Argosy hotel.

What kind of limits have you found at the different casinos? I've never seen craps - or anything for that matter - under $10 at Hollywood.
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June 24th, 2010 at 10:29:17 AM permalink
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I have been to them all. Belterra is the nicest of them all, in my opinion. Their boat was solid average, but the on-land area was ridiculously posh. Hollywood was very nice all around(I went after the new facility opened). On a scale of 0 to 10, with 0 being "I would never have left the highway if I knew how crappy this place was" and 10 being "I don't ever want to leave" Belterra was a 9 out of 10, Hollywood would be maybe 8.5(depending on how much bonus you give for the 1 floor advantage), HSI 7.5 or 7 . Grand Vic would be a 5.5, and Casino Aztar would be 2. French Lick is in the same general area, but not on the river. The casino there is also on 1 floor, and the hotel is exceptional. The only thing is that the casino is kind of dumpy, like it was an afterthought to the spa and hotel. I'd give it a 4 out of 10, with a 2 point bonus if you were a) bringing your wife or b) staying there.



Interesting, may need to give Belterra a try sometime. It would make sense they would need to do something to make it a bit more of a destination, becuase - at least for me - its by far the most isolated loaction.

I went to French Lick a few months back, stayed at the West Baden hotel. It was very nice, and much more interesting that staying at the French Lick hotel. Its a bit pricy though down there. I thought the casino was actually decent, I liked that it was a singel floor casino, and they had a decent sized non-smoking gaming area, that was actually seperated from the main floor.

Have you seen $5 craps at any of the casinos at any time? It was $10 at French Lick on a Sat night, but the dealer told me the table was usually $5. However, when I passed it on Sunday morning, it was still $10 and it was pretty dead. I don't think Hollywood ever goes below $10 - at least not from what I've heard. I read your blog and saw that HSI was $15! As you said, what's the point of 100x odds on a $15 table.
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June 24th, 2010 at 10:51:28 AM permalink
The thing I forgot to mention about the $15 craps tables with 100x odds was the chip count. There must've been $80K just in $1K chips on that table when I did my survey on a tuesday night. Adding in the purples and blacks, I'm sure the total was over $150K in chips. That made me wonder if they actually get high-level play or if they just had to have the capacity to accommodate it.

I'm not sure where you're at, but I was surprised by how accessible Belterra is from Louisville. From my company's offices in Jeffersontown, KY, it's about 50 minutes to Belterra and 30 minutes to HSI. For whatever reason, Harrah's has decided that they like me so in spite of my low-level play they throw free rooms at me. That's precluded me from returning to Belterra, though I may go next week even though I'm staying at HSI.
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June 24th, 2010 at 11:48:33 AM permalink
What does any of this have to do with casino careers?
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June 24th, 2010 at 12:03:18 PM permalink
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The thing I forgot to mention about the $15 craps tables with 100x odds was the chip count. There must've been $80K just in $1K chips on that table when I did my survey on a tuesday night. Adding in the purples and blacks, I'm sure the total was over $150K in chips. That made me wonder if they actually get high-level play or if they just had to have the capacity to accommodate it.

I'm not sure where you're at, but I was surprised by how accessible Belterra is from Louisville. From my company's offices in Jeffersontown, KY, it's about 50 minutes to Belterra and 30 minutes to HSI. For whatever reason, Harrah's has decided that they like me so in spite of my low-level play they throw free rooms at me. That's precluded me from returning to Belterra, though I may go next week even though I'm staying at HSI.



I'm in Indy, so Hollywood and HSI are the most convienient for me...both about 90 minutes or so. Belterra would probably be pushing 2 hours for me. Still not a big deal. How are the towns of these places...Rising Sun/Vevay? Is there anything whatsoever to see/do in these places?
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June 24th, 2010 at 12:23:20 PM permalink
On the day that I went to these casinos (sunday March 7th), it was a bit too cool to do much other than gambling and filling my gas tank. Lawrenceberg was really the only one of the cities that had any size to it, but I think there was a large and nice looking park right next to the casino in Rising Sun. I could see spending the day in the park along the river and then retiring to the hotel/casino for the evening.
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June 24th, 2010 at 12:56:33 PM permalink
Yeah, i was noticing that on the map the Grand Vic is right in the town, while Belterra is pretty much out by itself. There were several bed and breakfast type places along the riverfront in Rising Sun that had room prices that were signficantly less than the casino (for weekend nights).
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June 24th, 2010 at 1:16:42 PM permalink
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As to your specific situation.... Consider it this way. On any table with an automatic shuffler, the dealers pretty much have an equal chance of dealing that big hand, for 3card poker, trips or a straightflush. We arent on the table long so dealing either one of the two on our down isnt bad. But unfortunately its not always when you want it to come or who you want it to go to.



Thank you for your insights! I do find that the non-pooled tipping places tend to have friendlier dealers. As (I think) I said, I do find it interesting that dealers seem to prefer those kind of places (like the woman driving a long distance to deal at one), but I just find it fascinating.

While I understand that the vagaries of the dealing machine mean anybody can deal out that lucky hand, I also just find it frustrating when I really would rather tip somebody else, because they were more friendly, and just unlucky with the shuffler. At one casino, when dealer 2 pushed out dealer 1, dealer 2's first hand out of the shuffler was a high paying bonus hand (I believe the game was Let It Ride), and thus a high-tip hand. Dealer 1, looking over from the next table (which was empty anyway), commented to Dealer 2 that he had "sniped" his bonus hand. It was said in playful banter mode, but it was also obvious that this occurs often enough that they came up with a phrase for it.

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Personally, I feel that your extra tip to the female dealer was very nice of you but completely unnecesssary. If the dealer who actually dealt you the straightflush was nothing special to you, odds are he was nothing special to anyone else either. In other words, hes most likely averaging half of what the female dealer makes. He probably counts on the big payoffs like that straightflush he dealt you to make his tips, whereas the female dealer can make money on every table without having to pay something 40 to 1.



I'm not going to agree with unnecessary because it was necessary for me. I felt better giving her something, and we also had fun with it because I told her the money had to go to her son, and that she had to buy him something he wanted, like a toy. In a way, I guess it was also done in a hope that the male dealer would notice this, and figure that I'm going out of my way to tip her because she was so much nicer and more personable, and that the proper attitude goes a long way.

I agree with everything else you say here.


Quote: Negasie

The girl is going to do fine with or without your extra tip for her. Not because shes a girl, because she knows how to feel out a stranger and talk to them. Thats a valuable skill in this business.



Agreed again. In Las Vegas, I have found more male dealers to be friendly and personable than female dealers. I partly think this is due to a bunch of drunken a-holes trying to hit on every female dealer, thinking that all female dealers must moonlight as escorts, prostitutes, or worse.

Here at the Indian casinos, I find that male and female dealers are equally friendly and personable, and for the most part very talkative, especially at non-pooled tip casinos. Very rarely do I encounter someone not friendly and personable, and I guess that's why the particular incident stuck out in my head.
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June 24th, 2010 at 1:20:22 PM permalink
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On other things, while I always tip the delaers I rarely make bets for them. My reasoning is that since all gamblers know they'll lose in the long run, then if all tips were given as bets the dealer should wind up with a net tip of zero.



Most of the time, I have found that dealers will rarely talk about whether they prefer the tip or the bet, and I believe this may have to do with corporate policy preventing them from talking about it. However, one time I did have a dealer comment on it, and he said that, in general, dealers do prefer the straight tips. However, if you are just being extremely lucky, then of course they want you to make the bet for them instead.

You're right in that they know the games, and they know the bets usually lose. But when they start seeing someone getting a bonus hand in three-card poker every single hand, they would much rather the bet be made for them. The odds may be against it, but for whatever reason that person is pulling in a lot of bonuses.

The one thing I don't understand, maybe some dealers can explain this to me, is when casinos don't allow you to make a bet for the dealers. I've played in some casinos where when I put the bonus bet down, and another bonus bet down for the dealers, I'm told the casino doesn't allow this. When I ask why not, the casino says the bonus might win, and might hit the straight flush. My response is, so what? I can't believe the casinos wouldn't want me to risk more money (that I will most likely lose), on the off chance that the dealer might actually win some money. It's crazy to me, and I find that I have to double up my own bonus bet, and hope that it hits, so I can split the money with the dealer as a tip.
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June 24th, 2010 at 1:29:33 PM permalink
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...Dealer 1, looking over from the next table (which was empty anyway), commented to Dealer 2 that he had "sniped" his bonus hand. It was said in playful banter mode, but it was also obvious that this occurs often enough that they came up with a phrase for it.

"Snipe" is not a new term.

Sometimes it refers to a player that takes a high value chip out of his stack and pockets it.

It mostly refers to chip theft, usually happening at the craps table when your attention is watching the dice land at the other end of the table. Then someone steals some of your chips right off the rail.


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Very rarely do I encounter someone not friendly and personable, and I guess that's why the particular incident stuck out in my head.

He may have been a jerk, but more likely, he was just having a bad day.
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June 24th, 2010 at 5:26:22 PM permalink
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Here in Phoenix, at the Harrah's Ak-Chin casino, there is a dealer that I found out lives in Sedona. (For those that don't, I don't have 100% accurate numbers, but it's probably around 150 miles, 3 hours one-way.) I evinced surprise at working so far from home really being worth it. She said since the casino doesn't pool tips, it's very well worth it for her, and she's a single mom sending a daughter to college.



Ouch--I can't imagine doing that commute. I lived there, near Vee Quiva and would have moved if I had to go as far as that or Casino Arizona. I wonder how they are to work for as I was looking for a job and applied for a supervisor position in a non-gaming area. I was told when the interview was, not offered any choice. Sadly I had just taken a job and couldn't even sneak out for the interview.
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June 24th, 2010 at 7:18:27 PM permalink
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The dealer, almost shouted, "Woo hoo! Dealer's in the game!"


One aspect of a casino job is that darned procedures manual, half of which is made up on the fly by the floor person and probably differs from the concoctions in the same casino but on a different shift. If you become a dealer get used to such things. I was on a Day Boat and the "Dealers in the game" cry was a required phrase, it never varied. All the dealers said the exact same phrase. All acted enthusiastic about it and probably were since the boats are crappy places to work.

NON-dealing jobs in a casino? Beats me. Pool Party Directorships are big money positions but some casinos outsource their pool party. You can even get a job as a Twitter Marketing Director wherein you keep the casino and its specials getting mention in the online world of Twitter and Facebook and rock 'n roll parties.

Why don't you look at web sites for gaming companies. Lots of slot techs being hired, lots of data people being hired, lots of surveillance jobs, but they pay zilch.
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