breaking news Bac Cheating COSMOPOLITAN
January 16th, 2015 at 5:28:29 PM
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You heard it here first.
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Baccarat
Cosmopolitan
16 felony counts
Pit Boss
dealers
players
60k
Details are foggy and may be incorrect
Baccarat
Cosmopolitan
16 felony counts
Pit Boss
dealers
players
60k
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
January 16th, 2015 at 5:55:52 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfYou heard it here first.
Details are foggy and may be incorrect
Baccarat
Cosmopolitan
16 felony counts
Pit Boss
dealers
players
60k
That pretty much covers all Bac dealers/PBs/players in Cosmo.
winning streaks come and go, losing streak never ends.
January 16th, 2015 at 6:07:01 PM
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The feeling I got from Dan was Pit Bosses were beyond reproach.Quote: pokerfaceThat pretty much covers all Bac dealers/PBs/players in Cosmo.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
January 16th, 2015 at 6:26:13 PM
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It was posted several hours ago. Just google LAS VEGAS REVIEW JOURNAL and enter COSMO and MINI BAC it was all released on the internet.
Bac79=Hazardous Material and Chemical person correcting other's mistakes. Non AP'er, I can't count cards, low intelligence. Sprinkles magical dust on the cards. Has a lucky monkey. Baby also has a green one. Sum it up: "It's okay just blame me, it's all my fault"! ( No one believes me--so I chose to stop posting)
January 16th, 2015 at 6:40:28 PM
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Omg I was just at that table- they stopped playin when I set down- that dude was camped at the high limit bac tables every single time I was ever there
The bet will not be paid- not now not ever
January 16th, 2015 at 7:09:17 PM
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http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/cosmo-casino-workers-player-booked-probe-mini-baccarat-theft
Sanitized for Your Protection
January 16th, 2015 at 7:15:33 PM
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Quote: rxwinehttp://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/cosmo-casino-workers-player-booked-probe-mini-baccarat-theft
The one on the left looks pissed. Got that F you look.
The one in the middle got that so what look
The one on the right seems resigned to his fate look.
When somebody doesn't believe me, I could care less. Some get totally bent out of shape when not believed. Weird. I believe very little on all forums
January 16th, 2015 at 7:59:36 PM
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Quote: terapinedThe one on the left looks pissed. Got that F you look.
The one in the middle got that so what look
The one on the right seems resigned to his fate look.
I can almost see it. This may be how it will look in court at their table.
Sanitized for Your Protection
January 16th, 2015 at 9:15:43 PM
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Pathetic, and stupid.
Shoulda had the accomplice bet 10K on tie, pay the tie regardless of what cards come out, and don't come back. At least that can be chalked up to an error.
Doing this crap 12 times gives the DA a rock solid case against them.
Shoulda had the accomplice bet 10K on tie, pay the tie regardless of what cards come out, and don't come back. At least that can be chalked up to an error.
Doing this crap 12 times gives the DA a rock solid case against them.
January 17th, 2015 at 12:02:59 AM
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Usually the most trusted dealers and most experienced floor people are in the high limit areas. I think what must have been happening is that they were slipping the player one chip too many a few times each night. Its hard to do it at a low limit table because it would get noticed. It takes an awful lot of chips to make it worthwhile for three conspirators at a low limit table so this sort of stuff has to be limited to the higher rollers.Quote: strictlyAPOmg I was just at that table- they stopped playin when I set down- that dude was camped at the high limit bac tables every single time I was ever there
Add in: the legal fees, the fact that the floor will never work in the industry again and neither will the dealer ... and you wonder how long they thought the computers would not notice the table was running in the red?
January 17th, 2015 at 12:43:44 AM
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I'm wondering if they actually got away with much more than the 60k they are being charged with?
It just seems like with a Pitboss, dealer and a player all involved they could've came up with something significantly better.
Then again their not to smart doing this in the first place.
It just seems like with a Pitboss, dealer and a player all involved they could've came up with something significantly better.
Then again their not to smart doing this in the first place.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
January 17th, 2015 at 1:13:01 AM
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I would say this is very difficult to catch except for the fact that they did it so many times in a short period. I doubt they caught him on the first time and let it run 11 more times. Cosmo probably one of the worst places to do it though. If they did snap him off early, kudos to them.
January 17th, 2015 at 1:18:25 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfI'm wondering if they actually got away with much more than the 60k they are being charged with?
It just seems like with a Pitboss, dealer and a player all involved they could've came up with something significantly better.
Then again their not to smart doing this in the first place.
I could tell you right now, if I was colluding with just a dealer, I could make off with a lot more than 60K, and not give the DA a good case against us. This is a garbage scam.
The fact they chose baccarat to do this crap on is stupid too. If they did it at blackjack it's soooo easy to pay a push or push a loser multiple times. I mean hell, have the dealer have a few drinks before his shift and then dump the table to the accomplice. Worst case scenario if they get caught is he'll get fired for coming to work intoxicated, but he's unlikely to face criminal charges.
January 17th, 2015 at 1:51:18 AM
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I was wondering why Baccarat as well. I thought maybe because the dealer and supervisor only synchronize up on the Baccarat tables. It seems Roulette would be a far better situation. Or just flashing hole cards. Obviously there had to be far better situations. Pit boss shouldn't have been involved in any decision making and should have been utilized only to tip off the other 2.Quote: sc15I could tell you right now, if I was colluding with just a dealer, I could make off with a lot more than 60K, and not give the DA a good case against us. This is a garbage scam.
The fact they chose baccarat to do this crap on is stupid too. If they did it at blackjack it's soooo easy to pay a push or push a loser multiple times. I mean hell, have the dealer have a few drinks before his shift and then dump the table to the accomplice. Worst case scenario if they get caught is he'll get fired for coming to work intoxicated, but he's unlikely to face criminal charges.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
January 20th, 2015 at 7:22:40 AM
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Quote: FleaStiff
Add in: the legal fees, the fact that the floor will never work in the industry again and neither will the dealer ... and you wonder how long they thought the computers would not notice the table was running in the red?
The only 'intelligent' criminals are the ones that don't get caught. Of course you and I don't know about those. And I don't mean it is justified or smart to be a criminal or steal, etc., I am just referring to the intelligence level of a criminal in figuring out the logistics and countermeasures of his opponent--as to if he/they will get detected or not.
Bac79=Hazardous Material and Chemical person correcting other's mistakes. Non AP'er, I can't count cards, low intelligence. Sprinkles magical dust on the cards. Has a lucky monkey. Baby also has a green one. Sum it up: "It's okay just blame me, it's all my fault"! ( No one believes me--so I chose to stop posting)
January 20th, 2015 at 7:37:03 AM
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Oh wow. I "know" the dealer Adam Halderman. He was a very personable and approachable dealer whom you can carry a good conversation with. Met him a few times when I was playing at the $25/$50 tables on the floor during the day/afternoon in the early days of the Cosmo. That was when the Cosmo had five bac tables going.
Also I don't know why folks called this cheating. This is just plain old vanilla thievery amongst the participants.
Also I don't know why folks called this cheating. This is just plain old vanilla thievery amongst the participants.
January 20th, 2015 at 7:45:24 AM
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"Georgios Papadopoulos"
Wasn't that the name on the kid's fake ID in Vegas Vacation?
Wasn't that the name on the kid's fake ID in Vegas Vacation?
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January 20th, 2015 at 7:51:17 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBear"Georgios Papadopoulos"
Wasn't that the name on the kid's fake ID in Vegas Vacation?
I think it was on the TV show "Webster".
May the cards fall in your favor.
January 20th, 2015 at 7:51:19 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBear"Georgios Papadopoulos"
Wasn't that the name on the kid's fake ID in Vegas Vacation?
Nick Papageorgio Papadopoulos I believe
January 20th, 2015 at 7:56:30 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBear"Georgios Papadopoulos"
Wasn't that the name on the kid's fake ID in Vegas Vacation?
Nah, that was Nick Papageorgio. Close though :).
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
January 20th, 2015 at 7:57:27 AM
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Quote: AcesAndEightsNah, that was Nick Papageorgio. Close though :).
Err, I didn't get it quite right. Here's a good picture though.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
January 20th, 2015 at 8:03:51 AM
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President of Greece in the 70's.
January 20th, 2015 at 8:08:13 AM
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These casinos don't notice a 60k theft and at the same time fight with players over a $10 bet. Where is logic?
January 20th, 2015 at 8:17:35 AM
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Actually they did notice it, hence the arrests.Quote: Dicenor33These casinos don't notice a 60k theft and at the same time fight with players over a $10 bet. Where is logic?
I do wonder however how much more clever would they have been to elude the computers and surveillance. Multiple payees? More than one player at the table when overpaying one of them?
January 20th, 2015 at 8:20:22 AM
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Quote: AcesAndEightsErr, I didn't get it quite right. Here's a good picture though.
Ah, the Westward Ho in the background. I might be the only person in America that misses that place.
January 20th, 2015 at 8:26:07 AM
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Quote: Dicenor33These casinos don't notice a 60k theft and at the same time fight with players over a $10 bet. Where is logic?
It's much harder to spot a tree that is rotting from within until it is too late.
January 20th, 2015 at 8:27:45 AM
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Quote: FleaStiffActually they did notice it, hence the arrests.
I do wonder however how much more clever would they have been to elude the computers and surveillance. Multiple payees? More than one player at the table when overpaying one of them?
Spot on! Seen HL rooms brought to a screeching halt over say a one unit wager (might be a black chip or a purple) but none the less all in proportion to the table's wagers. Huge stacks of chips and some argument over a trivial amount. All in all, it is the quality and the experience of the dealer combined with the floor person how it escalates. The best ones will just cure the situation to the players satisfaction and be on with the game. I have seen a half dozen players get up and cash out over things also. I got to the point when it happens and usually at least once per night, I just sit back and watch like seeing a sitcom unfolding.
Bac79=Hazardous Material and Chemical person correcting other's mistakes. Non AP'er, I can't count cards, low intelligence. Sprinkles magical dust on the cards. Has a lucky monkey. Baby also has a green one. Sum it up: "It's okay just blame me, it's all my fault"! ( No one believes me--so I chose to stop posting)
January 20th, 2015 at 8:45:39 AM
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Quote: rxwinehttp://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/cosmo-casino-workers-player-booked-probe-mini-baccarat-theft
So when did this really happen? The caption to the mug shots in the article says, "They were arrested Tuesday, Jan. 16, 2015."
Do any of you have that day/date combination on your calendars?
January 20th, 2015 at 9:04:58 AM
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i assure you it was much more then 60k, just probably only were able to track the 60, I have seen him playing baccarat over the course of 2 years going there at least 5 times- he was only there on big weekends when other big players where in town, not that there is any connection whatsoever but whenever don johnson was in town he was there- maybe gets less attention- but I knew something was up
The bet will not be paid- not now not ever
January 20th, 2015 at 10:27:11 AM
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It's part of the moral fiber decay that often affects dealers.
January 20th, 2015 at 10:56:06 AM
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Quote: KeyserIt's part of the moral fiber decay that often affects dealers.
People become bored with...
Quote: KeyserYes, it's outrageous, like counting cards, hole carding, edge sorting, and shuffle tracking.
Nonsense is a very hard thing to keep up. Just ask the Wizard and company.
January 20th, 2015 at 11:51:33 AM
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I think its more than that.Quote: KerkebetPeople become bored with...
Sometimes people are just miserable due to the crappie life they lead. You can usually tell within minutes (sometime just by looking) what kind of an attitude they will have. If someone has a nice life outside of work, generally they are nicer.
The problem with some Vegas dealers...Well this is Vegas(it can be a rough place to live), many of them gamble daily and lose. Many have gambling, alcohol problems and whatever other Vegas vices you can think of.
Many think they have a better chance to win then all the suckers because they work at a casino . They probably get pissed seeing so many rich people win and lose thousands everyday, while they sit and service everyone.
Many are arrogant and feel entitled. Everytime they collect a tip, they feel they deserve it. Everytime they get stiffed, its like a tiny dagger in the heart making an already miserable person more hateful towards anyone who they believe has more than they do.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
January 20th, 2015 at 1:08:38 PM
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Delete, questionable although true shot.
January 20th, 2015 at 1:30:54 PM
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Sixty thousand is what they can charge them with because that is what they have on film when ALL cameras were focused on them from ALL angles. Prior to that one, two or three days of filming, they probably only noticed the table was short or something.Quote: strictlyAPi assure you it was much more then 60k,
January 20th, 2015 at 1:38:07 PM
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Quote: FleaStiffSixty thousand is what they can charge them with because that is what they have on film when ALL cameras were focused on them from ALL angles. Prior to that one, two or three days of filming, they probably only noticed the table was short or something.
You don't need all angles to charge and convict someone.
To charge someone you just need probable cause.
To convict you need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. 1 camera angle showing him putting up 5 yellow chips and getting 2 flags in return (or whatever the crooked transaction was) would satisfy both requirements.
January 20th, 2015 at 1:49:58 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfSometimes people are just miserable due to the crappie life they lead.
Many have gambling, alcohol problems and whatever other Vegas vices you can think of.
Many are arrogant and feel entitled.
Think of the Luggage Lugger doing a dead run. (Pick up luggage from one room and take it to a different room). No tip because you never see the occupant of either room, its usually a high roller who was given an inadequate room for one night and is being moved to a better room as soon as its available.
Yes, you lift and carry and its not just no tip but not even a thank you or eyeful of shapely legs or anything! You open each room with your card and the computer records how many seconds each door was open. If someone wrote the ticket wrong and luggage is removed in error the occupant can complain that not only did the luggage get stolen but the chips/cash she had out in plain view was stolen also.
Do the Luggage Luggers worry? Not usually. It goes with the job, their card will show they were in the room fifteen seconds, they have hobbies and friends at work and friends outside of work. They have union jobs and they have some measure of seniority as security.
Dealers however tend to have no defenses. If they spot something and report it... they will be investigated as well. If someone else accuses them, they have no real defense. The casino has the film, they don't. Many dealers due to tips and shift work have marginal lives. One paycheck from bankruptcy might be normal for alot of people but dealers can have a run of bad hours, bad tables and overall low tokes. Its like a bank teller desperate for ten dollars who is handling thousands a day. Temptation can be present because opportunity is always there.
Think of that One Spin Entire Life Savings roulette scene. Its no accident that the casino used its oldest and most trusted croupier.
January 20th, 2015 at 1:57:31 PM
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Quite true but I would assume the casino wanted to get these crooks and get them but good. No floor person escaping due to momentary lapse of alertness or anything. They wanted all three and wanted them to swing, rather than get off with some good mouthpiece.Quote: sc15You don't need all angles to charge and convict someone.
To charge someone you just need probable cause.
