Tip Hustling at Downtown Grand

Last Sunday, while playing craps at Downtown Grand, I witnessed the most disgusting example of tip hustling I could even imagine.

It's about 11:00pm and the craps table is empty. Really? 11 on a Sunday night? I had to fix that.

I had three turns while playing alone. Diring this time, the boxman asks about the Poker For Roulette logo on my shirt, and if I'm in town for G2E. We have a nice chat, I give him my business card, etc.

During these three turns, I put down a line bet along with a $1 piggyback bet. Got a point and put down my odds along with another $1 piggback. The dealer's seemed to appreciate it, particularly since I made at lest one pass, each time.

Finally, there's a few other players so the dice go around. It's a rocky table, but each time a shooter is good enough that my pressed bets start to make me a profit, I toss them another buck.

Again, the dealers are genuinely appreciative and things are fine.

After my second shoot, I'm slightly behind so I give the table one more shooter.

This shooter, and his two buddies, are in their twenties, and they each had a buck on each of the Small/Tall/ALL bets. He goes on to make all 10 numbers, and they all collect $245 each. Of course, my few place bets also made me money, and I tossed a buck to the dealers several times in the process. Two players at the other side who had been betting more heavily than I, each tossed the shooter a green chip. Nice.

The three guys replaced their three Small/Tall/ALL bets, but increased it to $2 on each of them.

Then it happened. Each time, the dealer asked, "It that just for you?" I knew exactly what was happening, but couldn't believe it.

The first two guys, confused, said "yeah". The third guy asked, "What do you meant by that?"

The dealer replied, "Often when a player is doing well, he'll make bets for the dealers. You guys just did real well with these bets. Players will often do a two-way bet when that type of thing happens."

So, naturally, this third guy did a two-way.

I then heard the box man say something, but I don't know what. The dealer replied, "Yeah. Besides, two guys tossed greens to the shooter." The boxman merely nodded.


I wanted to say something, but because they had my business card, I merely colored up and left when that shooter was finished - which happened before hitting either of the Small/Tall/ALL bets again.

Gross. But then, tipping the shooter is also gross in my opinion.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Last Sunday, while playing craps at Downtown Grand, I witnessed the most disgusting example of tip hustling I could even imagine.

It's about 11:00pm and the craps table is empty. Really? 11 on a Sunday night? I had to fix that.

I had three turns while playing alone. Diring this time, the boxman asks about the Poker For Roulette logo on my shirt, and if I'm in town for G2E. We have a nice chat, I give him my business card, etc.

During these three turns, I put down a line bet along with a $1 piggyback bet. Got a point and put down my odds along with another $1 piggback. The dealer's seemed to appreciate it, particularly since I made at lest one pass, each time.

Finally, there's a few other players so the dice go around. It's a rocky table, but each time a shooter is good enough that my pressed bets start to make me a profit, I toss them another buck.

Again, the dealers are genuinely appreciative and things are fine.

After my second shoot, I'm slightly behind so I give the table one more shooter.

This shooter, and his two buddies, are in their twenties, and they each had a buck on each of the Small/Tall/ALL bets. He goes on to make all 10 numbers, and they all collect $245 each. Of course, my few place bets also made me money, and I tossed a buck to the dealers several times in the process. Two players at the other side who had been betting more heavily than I, each tossed the shooter a green chip. Nice.

The three guys replaced their three Small/Tall/ALL bets, but increased it to $2 on each of them.

Then it happened. Each time, the dealer asked, "It that just for you?" I knew exactly what was happening, but couldn't believe it.

The first two guys, confused, said "yeah". The third guy asked, "What do you meant by that?"

The dealer replied, "Often when a player is doing well, he'll make bets for the dealers. You guys just did real well with these bets. Players will often do a two-way bet when that type of thing happens."

So, naturally, this third guy did a two-way.

I then heard the box man say something, but I don't know what. The dealer replied, "Yeah. Besides, two guys tossed greens to the shooter." The boxman merely nodded.


I wanted to say something, but because they had my business card, I merely colored up and left when that shooter was finished - which happened before hitting either of the Small/Tall/ALL bets again.

I would never play there again and let the Table Games Director know why.

ZCore13

That's a shame. I play there often and know some of the dealers' faces by now. One, it's a shame that they're always empty. Two, he could haves phrases it better. Would you have felt less disgusted if he said,"Was that a $2 bet?", then "You bet $1 last time. Just making sure it's a $2 bet"?

I played blackjack there before. Once gave a $10 tip to a dealer at the end of a session and he said nothing. My average bet was $75 but still I think a "thank you" was in order. Another time I walked away from a blackjack table after not tipping and the dealer said, "Thanks for playing." It was said in a "Thanks for nothing" tone. I'll never tip these two dealers in the future.