RF Detectors Casino Surviellance
Quote: FleaStiffUsually no. RF investigations come from interference investigations. Craps pits have a compass. A boxman who sees someone in a wheel chair approach the table will signal the floor who will walk around the table making sure the compass always points in the same direction rather than reacting to some nearby spurious signal.
How would the person in the wheelchair, and/or any confederates, attempt to cheat in the scenario described?
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Quote: FleaStiffUsually no. RF investigations come from interference investigations. Craps pits have a compass. A boxman who sees someone in a wheel chair approach the table will signal the floor who will walk around the table making sure the compass always points in the same direction rather than reacting to some nearby spurious signal.
so wearing a hidden camera at a craps table is ill advised?
No, any cell has a camera.Quote: nickolay411so wearing a hidden camera at a craps table is ill advised?
Quote: AxelWolfNo, any cell has a camera.
if someone recorded a live table game whats the worst to happen? Also I imagine you can't just hold up a cellphone and hit record.
I'm not sure and the casino ain't sure either... so that is why they do a compass walk. If there is strong electromagnet somewhere under the wheelchair and the dice get up to dance that cheap compass will react to the electromagnetic force and the casino knows something is wrong. Casinos look for the unusual, a change, something strange.... That is why they will examine the dice. They don't want metallic dice and a magnet to be at the table.Quote: MaxSwelleHow would the person in the wheelchair, and/or any confederates, attempt to cheat in the scenario described?
Quote: DocWhat? You haven't seen Ocean's 13 ?
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Magic Mexican dice?
Normally they are hole carding. that has nothing to do with an RF.Quote: MaxSwelleHow would the person in the wheelchair, and/or any confederates, attempt to cheat in the scenario described?
Quote: nickolay411if someone recorded a live table game whats the worst to happen? Also I imagine you can't just hold up a cellphone and hit record.
Get a keyfob camera or a pen camera. They run about $20 on Ebay and use a micro SD card. At close range, like a craps game, the quality wouldn't be bad.
Quote: AxelWolfNormally they are hole carding. that has nothing to do with an RF.
That makes total sense for a card game, but a craps table was used as his example.
hard to yell at a cripple for not hitting the back wall.Quote: MaxSwelleThat makes total sense for a card game, but a craps table was used as his example.
Quote: AxelWolfhard to yell at a cripple for not hitting the back wall.
Yeah, good point. But, would it be any worse than telling a 60y/o cocktail waitress that she hit "the" wall?
Quote: MaxSwelleThat makes total sense for a card game, but a craps table was used as his example.
I hear Ahigh is an excellent hole dicer.
Quote: MaxSwelleHow would the person in the wheelchair, and/or any confederates, attempt to cheat in the scenario described?
An electromagnet in the wheelchair, swap the dice out for ones with some metal in them ("juiced dice").
Switch on the magnet for a moment, the dice stop on aces, 30 for 1. With a big bet, that can be a pretty good hit.
Less conspicuous would be to put a big bet on the field, and win 2 to 1.
Of course, you've still got to swap the dice back out, after.
I don't recommend cheating.
Quote: DieterAn electromagnet in the wheelchair, swap the dice out for ones with some metal in them ("juiced dice").
Switch on the magnet for a moment, the dice stop on aces, 30 for 1. With a big bet, that can be a pretty good hit.
Less conspicuous would be to put a big bet on the field, and win 2 to 1.
Of course, you've still got to swap the dice back out, after.
I don't recommend cheating.
Holy hell, how cumbersome! I can't imagine a cheating scheme that would require more moving parts than the aforementioned. Does anyone know if any crews have been successful with this, or a similar cheating method, in the recent/modern era...1990 through present?
Quote: MaxSwelleHoly hell, how cumbersome! I can't imagine a cheating scheme that would require more moving parts than the aforementioned. Does anyone know if any crews have been successful with this, or a similar cheating method, in the recent/modern era...1990 through present?
Probably not at craps, but roulette (e.g., lasers and computers)? and definite hankey-pankey has sent folks to prison for mixing hidden electronic devices with slot machines.
Quote: MaxSwelleDoes anyone know if any crews have been successful with this, or a similar cheating method, in the recent/modern era...1990 through present?
My understanding is that compasses and magnetometers are fairly standard, just to prevent it.
Documentary Video - they mention a $60k hit. Even split 5 ways, that's a significant payout for the afternoon.
Quote: DieterMy understanding is that compasses and magnetometers are fairly standard, just to prevent it.
Documentary Video - they mention a $60k hit. Even split 5 ways, that's a significant payout for the afternoon.
This seems a little strange. This seems very over-engineered. Aren't there easier ways that are harder to detect?
If you can swap your own dice in, can't you just swap in loaded dice and skip the whole magnet part? It seems like that should be easier... am I missing something?
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceIf you can swap your own dice in, can't you just swap in loaded dice and skip the whole magnet part? It seems like that should be easier... am I missing something?
My understanding of loaded vs juiced is that loaded significantly changes the balance of the dice. If the box inspects the dice, they'll obviously feel wrong. Also, my understanding is that loaded dice aren't as reliable - they often fall how you want, but not always (and they get less reliable as the loads are smaller - more random).
Juiced dice should almost always land in the desired orientation (with a skilled magnet mechanic), and they should be less off balance than loaded.
I don't feel particularly compelled to try either method, but they're interesting to read about.
They always make a mistake somewhere.Quote: DeMangoI wonder if someone could make about 1000 sets of loaded dice, one with each 3 digit number. You could switch out the dice with no further repercussions. Box check the dice and serial numbers match. A lot of work, but a good payoff.
Quote: DeMangoI wonder if someone could make about 1000 sets of loaded dice, one with each 3 digit number. You could switch out the dice with no further repercussions. Box check the dice and serial numbers match. A lot of work, but a good payoff.
Don't they usually have 4 digits on them, so you'd need 10,000 sets. Not to mention the 4-5 different colors.
