Mission...Update

Greetings!

I've put some thought into this and have decided that discretion is the better part of valor, I've typically been somewhat private in my personal affairs, anyway, so I'm going to take one more day and really think about what I want to divulge for the public eye. Obviously, I don't hesitate to make full use of the PM Confidentiality Rule, so after I post, if anyone wants anymore details or specifics about what all has happened in the last few months, please shoot me a PM.

I know everyone is dying to know how I got banned at Wheeling Island, well, I basically lost my shit and banned myself. I got up to Diamond pretty quickly by being more aggressive about popping in my player's card in the high limit room and just leaving it there, before leaving, while eating and also while walking around looking for plays. I became really aggressive about this on multiplier days where $5.00 coin-in = $0.09 for Platinum and $0.10 for Diamond. You'd be really surprised at how many people will go into the high limit room and peel off $50's and $100's and just friggin' dump them into these machines at anywhere from $5.00-$50.00 a pull, and we're talking about slot machines where the statutory Base Pay can't possibly be any higher than 95%.

One of my favorite machines for this purpose was Quick Hits Platinum ($5, $10 or $15 bets) as well as some other machine of which I forget the name. You would seriously do this successfully maybe two or three times and you'd have in the neighborhood of $50-$100 free play, not to mention what it does for your ADT, so obviously your monthly offers drastically improve, as well.

Anyway, the inevitable happened, and while I can't be sure, I would assume that a handpay hit with my card, "Forgotten," in the machine one too many times. Maybe it was something else, maybe they saw me just sticking it in there, I don't know. In any case, I stuck the card in there and made my rounds (I did pretend to play the machine for a minute, of course) and then security guy taps me on the back with, "Did you forget something?" He's holding my card, of course.

I respond with a chipper, "Why, yes, thank you!" I pretty much knew the jig was up, but it was confirmed when he basically asked why I'd need that one back when I have another just like it in my wallet.

Anyway, he basically told me to get off the property, so I asked for how long and he replied, "Until you walk in here and I don't feel like kicking you out again."

It's true that, with the multipliers, I could have simply enjoyed a very slight advantage on the Video Poker games there, but it's a whole ton of lose...lose...lose..lose...Royal...lose...lose. Bob Dancer would even attest, I believe. Oh, and the Royal, that's never happened there...lol

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"Nobody is mother*^$^&ing going to tell me to get off of this property again not after you @$$clowns tossed me last year for doing absolutely nothing except trying to analyze a G&^(*^%D(&%** slot machine like that $&%@# hurt anyone! You people deserve for me to run up a bunch of b(^*%&( Free Play that I didn't earn, Free Play has NO CASH VALUE, read your promotional materials, technically, I'm not taking anything from you. It's also not like you have your people running around the high limit room telling people, 'Hey, you're losing value not using your Player's Card.' You pieces of &%$& are the ultimate cons and thieves and when someone gives you a microscopic bit of that back you wet your panties and throw them out. If you'd have just told me not to do that again, we'd be fine. You're not kicking me out, though, I'm banning myself, State Exclusion List, NOW!"

Feeling pleased with myself, I got taken to the main security desk and then I had to wait for the WV Lottery Commission representative to come out whereupon he took my picture and made me sign a bunch of forms indicating that I am banned from the four WV casinos (and Greenbriar Resort) for at least one year after which I may apply for re-entry into the WV casinos if I so choose. Whatever.

It's not going to happen, anyway, because I'd never re-apply unless I had some extremely compelling reason to go into one of the other WV casinos. As far as the Island goes, you have any manner of women there openly hooking throughout the years with little done about it, a bunch of g*%^&% elderly people passed out on the couches in the center section in the middle of the night waiting for 5:00a.m. so their SSI cards load so they can give the casino all of their money, and it's really just a depressing and dreadful atmosphere in many ways. That, and discounted drinks are really hard to come by, with the Gold Card, I can at least get a $2 Tequila Sunrise at the Clubhouse in Meadows...though I don't really go there much, either, but more on that tomorrow.

Although, on some level, yes, I understand that I lost my temper and kind of acted like an @$$hole...acknowledged. It's been an awful few months, though, but more specifics on that tomorrow.

Well, you're home now, in a very real sense. We all make a-holes of ourselves from time to time. Don't know if you'll regret it down the road or not. But what's done is done. Welcome back.

I'm not quite sure what reasoning led you to
use this strategy. This is old as the hills and
you will get caught eventually, which you did.
They're real hip to comp cheats now, I can't
even convert my wife's free play to cash anymore
on the roulette machines, they've disabled them
for free play now. Jerks..

Glad you checked in, I was afraid you were in a
Mexican jail with that marine who made the wrong
turn.

Thank you very much!

I won't regret it much, it seems that people have figured out about the Venice Nights/Money Works thing, which was never really worth a ton, anyway, so I mostly lost that. Rock Around the Clock remains a very solid play, though I don't believe I've ever been fortunate enough to hit one of the top two jackpots. In any event, starting at 8:00 (or better) on that game and only betting the minimum yielded consistent (but small) returns and I hardly ever lost.

It's been sometime since I've had the money to worry about going after Progressives of any kind, but more on that tomorrow, so I haven't really been looking for those, at all, anymore. I'd walk around and see if there were any good must-hits, but never even looked at much else.

There don't seem to ever be any good plays at Meadows for must-hits or anything like that, and just when you think you have one, it's some silly bullcrap like $10 coin-in to move the meter a penny rather than the usual $4.00 coin-in, or some crap like that.

I think I have had the worst run of vulturing Ultimate X than anyone in the history of the world (I don't actually believe that, but it's been ugly) and that's when I can even find anything, I firmly believe that there are multiple people hitting Ultimate X hard at The Meadows, now.

The extent of my gambling, now, is that I'll stop in at Meadows to run through my Free Play if, and only if, I happen to be passing through that area, anyway. I'll obviously check UX machines when I am there...and that's basically it. They'll cut my Free Play off any month now, and I'm not even sure that I would stop in to check UX machines even if I were essentially passing right in front of the place unless I already had Free Play there.

Tuesdays are pretty good for Free Play, there. I start out with $30 and it's a $10 Bonus Day for me, so that's $40 and if you earn 100 points you get to play the game to get $10-$1000 more in Free Play. $1=1 Point, so I basically just run my Free Play through as well as an additional $60 coin-in and then I do the game at the kiosk and see how much more Free Play I get. If there's a UX play at the time, I'll even pop my card in to get the points from the UX play because I have no concern for discretion. They could boot me and I really wouldn't care at all, to be perfectly honest.

I also look at the must-hits, but even if I saw something good, I probably wouldn't have enough money to go after it and have a high probability of it hitting, so I wouldn't play it.

I'm pretty much just going to hang here and do some math and run the football game. It's not that I'm sick of gambling or advantage play, it's just that a lot of stuff unrelated to gambling or AP has happened in the last few months and the less that I have to think or worry about, the better. I don't mean here, of course, I obviously wanted to come back here.

EDIT: I might go there and drink a few times over the next few months for $2.00/drink, though I'm not sure when. I'm Gold until at least January, it seems.

Quote: EvenBob

I'm not quite sure what reasoning led you to
use this strategy. This is old as the hills and
you will get caught eventually, which you did.
They're real hip to comp cheats now, I can't
even convert my wife's free play to cash anymore
on the roulette machines, they've disabled them
for free play now. Jerks..

You'd be surprised how long I've gotten away with it, longer than even I expected, and I was somewhat confident I'd just get warned the first time they were onto me.

You're better than the Island anyways. Now what did those hookers look like and did they have reasonable rates? lol

Quote: Mission146

You'd be surprised how long I've gotten away with it, longer than even I expected, and I was somewhat confident I'd just get warned the first time they were onto me.

You would have, but the first time they caught you,
they started monitoring your play and waited to see
the pattern. Then, whammo! Adios amigo.

Are you intentionally trying to piss off Paigowdan?

"You pieces of &%$& are the ultimate cons and thieves and when someone gives you a microscopic bit of that back you wet your panties and throw them out."

Dan really hates talk like that.

No risk using your card playing UX. Lots of people play a little while on lots of machines. They have no reason to kick anyone out of Pennsylvania casinos because there aren't enough playable machines and most are set to never be playable effectively with miserly meters. $25 bets look good to them and might as well get the coin-in. Secondly it probably just takes longer for those multiples to accumulate than you might think. The more frequently you check, the less there are. I've seen older men play the multiples at max bet until they lose then move on to the next game or play 2 credits a hand etc. There are less than linearly thought to be always. If there are people now, won't take many to ruin the play because it isn't so hot to begin with.

Were you forcibly detained? What do you mean you had to wait for someone to take your picture and what do yo mean they made you sign forms? Couldn't you have just walked out? Were you threatened with arrest if you return?

It's tomorrow. I stayed up for the rest of the story !

Quote: 1BB

Were you forcibly detained? What do you mean you had to wait for someone to take your picture and what do yo mean they made you sign forms? Couldn't you have just walked out? Were you threatened with arrest if you return?

He said that he put himself on the self-exclusion list. I understood it to mean that he had to wait around for that paperwork to be completed.

Why do I have the feeling this is the least of Mission's troubles ?

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

He said that he put himself on the self-exclusion list. I understood it to mean that he had to wait around for that paperwork to be completed.

Why would he do that to himself is what I don't
get. Just leave the casino and let them figure
it out. Losing your cool never benefits you. Life's
lessons are always learned the hard way.

Because this was the least of his troubles, I fear. The old " I'll show you how much grief I can handle " syndrome. Sometimes known as the Thomas response.

1. Was Jack Daniels involved?
2. Was this self-exclusion a negotiation tactic gone wrong? Did you think they would try stopping you?
3. In hindsight, do you think coming back the next day would have been long enough for him to not feel like kicking you out? Your story doesn't leave the impression they would have held a grudge if card leaving was discontinued.

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

He said that he put himself on the self-exclusion list. I understood it to mean that he had to wait around for that paperwork to be completed.

I read it differently. When Mission said he banned himself I took it to mean that he continued to do things that he knew would cause the casino to ban him. All in if you will. A security guard tapped him on the back and told him to get off the property and would not tell him when he could return. At that point all Mission had to do was leave.

What I don't understand is what happened next. How did it get from "get off the property" to signing forms and having a photo taken? Self exclusion is taken very seriously by all casinos and this is not how it's supposed to work. Check different states to see their requirements for that and for reinstatement as well.

If this was a self exclusion, it could be invalid for several reasons including coercion and alcohol impairment.

Pierce, I am glad you are OK. A lot of us were genuinely worried. As I have said before, if you ever need anything please don't hesitate to contact me. As for the Meadows. You are right that there is either a team or 1 very motivated individual. The high limit machine gets a lot of play so this person is probably doing pretty well for themselves. I have been there at all hours of the day and every day and I have not found very much, EXCEPT for 1 day. There seems to be 1 day each week that I have been able to get them so for whatever reason this person is not available on this specific time. Of course I am not posting when that is since it is my only time to get them. However, maybe I should post it since in the last 6 weeks I am down $198 with an expected return of about $3000.

Quote: GWAE

I have been there at all hours of the day

how about the middle of the night?

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in the last 6 weeks I am down $198 with an expected return of about $3000.

How cruel gambling can be, and I think it is more cruel to the AP than to anyone. Suckers know down inside they are doomed.

To you, and to Pierce.

The man spoke his mind. He paid the price, noble act which deserves respect.

Welcome back, buddy. I'm looking forward to part 2.

It's surprising people didn't use there own slot cards on high limit slots. Your timing would have to be impeccable, considering their card readers time out for just this reason.

Quote: Mission146

and then security guy taps me on the back with, "Did you forget something?" He's holding my card, of course.
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That's when you should have leaned in and whispered , "Sir, you are going to blow my cover, I'm agent 146 on a secret mission, I'm going to need your help"

Quote: AxelWolf

That's when you should have leaned in and whispered , "Sir, you are going to blow my cover, I'm agent 146 on a secret mission, I'm going to need your help"

LOL

Quote: AxelWolf

It's surprising people didn't use there own slot cards on high limit slots. Your timing would have to be impeccable, considering their card readers time out for just this reason.

That's what I was thinking. What is it about a minute with no play before they start blinking.

Quote: Hunterhill

That's what I was thinking. What is it about a minute with no play before they start blinking.

More like five in my experience (I time out the most at CET properties I think).

One casino I went to used to have ten minutes but now three and some seem at some casinos to have no time limit. I've heard stories from some APs, casinos(in NM) use this as an excuse to rid people whom do it accidentally.

Mission. if you do not tell your sad story today, I will tell mine. Trust me, you do NOT want that !

Mission WTF... you always seemed level headed to me. What has happened to you that you would try to scam free play from casino's. No offense intended in what I said but this seems out of your character. I hope you are well.

Quote: Scotty71

Mission WTF... you always seemed level headed to me. What has happened to you that you would try to scam free play from casino's. No offense intended in what I said but this seems out of your character. I hope you are well.

At the risk of insulting my friend, I have to agree. Leaving player cards in high-denom slots is a bottom feeder AP play. I would compare it to wandering the casino floor looking for abandoned credits.

Could it be a "she broke my heart so I fell apart" yarn?



=schadenfreude&filters[primary]=images&filters[secondary]=videos&sort=1&o=25] ah, schadenfreude

Quote: Wizard

At the risk of insulting my friend, I have to agree. Leaving player cards in high-denom slots is a bottom feeder AP play. I would compare it to wandering the casino floor looking for abandoned credits.

When I worked at Eureka i would often see credits left on a $1 machine. When I would see a player, I would ask him or her to please play them off. Why not ? Giving Mission benefit of doubt for now. Desperate times sometimes make for desperate actions.

Quote: Buzzard

When I worked at Eureka i would often see credits left on a $1 machine. When I would see a player, I would ask him or her to please play them off. Why not ? Giving Mission benefit of doubt for now. Desperate times sometimes make for desperate actions.

I wasn't aware that he was playing the desperate card. If so, I'll retract what I wrote and send him some money to help him out.

Quote: Wizard

I wasn't aware that he was playing the desperate card. If so, I'll retract what I wrote and send him some money to help him out.

Just a gut feeling, Mike. No inside info. Just that my gut is right more often than my brain !

Quote: Buzzard

Just a gut feeling, Mike. No inside info. Just that my gut is right more often than my brain !

So is mine.

Quote: Wizard

I wasn't aware that he was playing the desperate card. .

I didn't get the impression he was desperate,
just that he thought he could get away with
it. Like I did at 4 Winds with my wife's card.
She would get $50-$75 a week in slot play and
I would turn it into gas money at the roulette
machine. Easy peasy, until they wised up.

Time will tell BOB. Or Mission at least . I would so like my gut to be wrong this time.

Quote: Buzzard

Time will tell BOB. Or Mission at least . I would so like my gut to be wrong this time.

Your wife wishes it would just go away..

Read the SLS thread as I still can not understand why she keeps me around. What a gal !

Quote: EvenBob

Are you intentionally trying to piss off Paigowdan?

"You pieces of &%$& are the ultimate cons and thieves and when someone gives you a microscopic bit of that back you wet your panties and throw them out."

Dan really hates talk like that.

Hey, I can speak for myself on this. Why would I be angry at him?

I like Mission, but am saddened he tried this as a maneuver. No one is an Angel, and he had his wrist slapped. I won't join in on that. A learning experience.

Lets wait until Mision reveals all. Disappointing yes, but not like he committed armed robbery.

+1. No biggie.

Quote: 1BB

Were you forcibly detained? What do you mean you had to wait for someone to take your picture and what do yo mean they made you sign forms? Couldn't you have just walked out? Were you threatened with arrest if you return?

I have respect for Mission in that he stayed, owned up to it, excluded himself, and moved on.

Quote: Paigowdan

I have respect for Mission in that he stayed, owned up to it, excluded himself, and moved on.

What did he own up to?

The self-exclusion sounds like an emotional (read: bad) decision. But, hey, we've all done something like that before. I'm certainly in no position to throw the first stone.

It sounds like he could have gone back the next day; possibly the next shift.

I am also not a fan of leaving cards in machines, although I'm not entirely sure why. It's not like you're actually taking anything away from the other player. But, for those who are interested, I don't believe that they time out at MGM properties in Vegas. I've (legitimately) forgotten my card in machines overnight before, come back the next morning, and had them still be green (not flashing)

I would assume he tried a maneuver, to score some comps and play status on someone else's high-limit play.

And you ARE taking comps worth material value away from someone else who earned them, and are assuming a play level status that is unearned.

Quote: Paigowdan

I would assume he tried a maneuver, to score some comps and play status on someone else's high-limit play.

And you ARE taking comps worth material value away from someone else who earned them, and are assuming a play level status that is unearned.

The other player is someone who doesn't use a card, so he isn't taking anything from them. Anyone who uses a card will pull the card from the machine and put their own in. It's not like he is sneaking up on them while they are playing and replacing their card with his.

I kind of view this as similar to someone who leaves low-denom tickets lying around because they don't want them, and someone else picking them up. The high-limit player is leaving the freeplay there, and Mission is taking it. He is just getting some freeplay that would otherwise be wasted.

Surely no one could argue with that. Surely ?

Quote: Buzzard

Surely no one could argue with that. Surely ?

I mean, I wouldn't do it, but I don't have a problem with him doing it. If I wanted to play at a machine and his card was in there, I'd remove it and put mine in. It doesn't cost me anything. People forget their cards in machines all the time.

Tick Tock Tick Tock

I'm outraged and I'm highly disappointing in you Mission, this is very bad because I have a feeling it went down like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhX2UFNqysc