Match Play Mechanics?
June 18th, 2014 at 1:22:32 PM
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Below is an excerpt from my Vegas trip report last summer describing my first experience using a match play coupon:
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As we were getting ready to leave the Tropicana, we swiped our new player’s cards at the kiosk to see if anything would show up. When the screen came up there was a button to touch which would enter you in a drawing (which we did), and also a button to press which would print out a ticket for $10 match play. We both printed out our match play coupons from the kiosk and headed over to the $10 roulette table to do one spin. We asked how to use them, and each ended up putting our coupons and a $10 bill on red. The dealer spun the ball and it landed on red, which was exciting to see. They took the coupons and the cash off the table, and then gave each of us $40 in regular chips. We went to the cage and cashed out these windfall winnings, and then walked over to the MGM to ride the monorail back to Harrah’s to rest up for a while in anticipation of going downtown later that evening.
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However, last week I received a $5 match play coupon at the Silver Star casino in Philadelphia, MS. I put the $5 coupon on the pass line along with a $5 chip, a point was set, and then the point was made. The dealer paid me with two new $5 chips, took the $5 coupon away, and did not touch my original $5 chip. This left me with three $5 chips when the smoke cleared.
Based on my experience with the match play at the Tropicana, for some reason I was expecting to have four chips (i.e. $20) after I won.
Did I get overpaid at the Tropicana last year, and were they supposed to have only given me $30 instead of $40? Or does each casino handle match play in their own way?
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As we were getting ready to leave the Tropicana, we swiped our new player’s cards at the kiosk to see if anything would show up. When the screen came up there was a button to touch which would enter you in a drawing (which we did), and also a button to press which would print out a ticket for $10 match play. We both printed out our match play coupons from the kiosk and headed over to the $10 roulette table to do one spin. We asked how to use them, and each ended up putting our coupons and a $10 bill on red. The dealer spun the ball and it landed on red, which was exciting to see. They took the coupons and the cash off the table, and then gave each of us $40 in regular chips. We went to the cage and cashed out these windfall winnings, and then walked over to the MGM to ride the monorail back to Harrah’s to rest up for a while in anticipation of going downtown later that evening.
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However, last week I received a $5 match play coupon at the Silver Star casino in Philadelphia, MS. I put the $5 coupon on the pass line along with a $5 chip, a point was set, and then the point was made. The dealer paid me with two new $5 chips, took the $5 coupon away, and did not touch my original $5 chip. This left me with three $5 chips when the smoke cleared.
Based on my experience with the match play at the Tropicana, for some reason I was expecting to have four chips (i.e. $20) after I won.
Did I get overpaid at the Tropicana last year, and were they supposed to have only given me $30 instead of $40? Or does each casino handle match play in their own way?
You serious, Clark?
June 18th, 2014 at 1:27:02 PM
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Red or black pays even money on Roulette, right? (I don't play Roulette very often.)
Should have been paid $20 on red ($10+$10MP). Along with the check-change, you should have had $30 each. Perhaps there was a promotion going on where it paid more?
The craps payout was correct.
Should have been paid $20 on red ($10+$10MP). Along with the check-change, you should have had $30 each. Perhaps there was a promotion going on where it paid more?
The craps payout was correct.
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June 18th, 2014 at 1:30:15 PM
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Ditto.
Unless they were running some oddball promo, Trop overpaid ya.
Unless they were running some oddball promo, Trop overpaid ya.
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June 18th, 2014 at 2:22:04 PM
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What?????
Tropicana paid correctly...>. They take the coupon give you chips if it wins. Else they just take the coupon and your bet if it loses.
Ten dollars in chips and ten dollars in coupon is a 20 dollar bet, pays off 20.00 but you lose the coupon.
Spouses bet was the same ten dollars plus match play is a bet of 20. pays off at 1:1.. total 40 dollars, but you lose the coupon since coupon is one roll only.
There are so many arguments over this match play stuff, I'm surprized casinos still do it.
Tropicana paid correctly...>. They take the coupon give you chips if it wins. Else they just take the coupon and your bet if it loses.
Ten dollars in chips and ten dollars in coupon is a 20 dollar bet, pays off 20.00 but you lose the coupon.
Spouses bet was the same ten dollars plus match play is a bet of 20. pays off at 1:1.. total 40 dollars, but you lose the coupon since coupon is one roll only.
There are so many arguments over this match play stuff, I'm surprized casinos still do it.
June 18th, 2014 at 2:32:37 PM
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I agree with Deuce and DJ, not sure where Flea is going.
$10 match play + $10 chips(cash) means a $20 bet. Even money, win $20. That's $30 in chips since the match play is taken away, win or lose. I have never experienced a casino that paid your match play's value along with the winning amount, but it seems like they do, in fact, exist.
$10 match play + $10 chips(cash) means a $20 bet. Even money, win $20. That's $30 in chips since the match play is taken away, win or lose. I have never experienced a casino that paid your match play's value along with the winning amount, but it seems like they do, in fact, exist.
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June 18th, 2014 at 10:33:34 PM
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I expect 10$+10MP = 30$. 10$ yields 10$, for a total of 20$, and the 10MP yields 10$ and the MP is surrendered, and for 10$ total. Combined, 30$.
For non-even money bets, cash bets pay true value, MP/FB pays face value. So 10$+10MP on a BJ yields 15$+10$, not the 30$ you'd get from a 20$ bet.
For non-even money bets, cash bets pay true value, MP/FB pays face value. So 10$+10MP on a BJ yields 15$+10$, not the 30$ you'd get from a 20$ bet.
June 18th, 2014 at 10:48:51 PM
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You were overpaid. I've seen plenty of dealers do this....unfortunately at not any stores I play rated at and get MP coupons. :( Damn, getting paid 3:1 on an even money bet! Whee!!
June 18th, 2014 at 10:51:32 PM
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I'm not sure where Flea is going either.Quote: ahiromuI agree with Deuce and DJ, not sure where Flea is going.
I think it might be best to explain my views in more detail and you can then tell me where I'm going wrong.
A Match Play coupon represents certain "phantom chips" but when the casino takes the coupon they must leave the chips.
So Ten dollars of your money plus a Match Play Coupon is viewed as if it were a twenty dollar bet. If it wins on a 1:1 bet the casino pays an additional twenty dollars , but it takes the coupon, but only the paper coupon, leaving a total of forty dollars on the felt: your original ten, the ten the casino 'matched', the twenty that bet won. They take ONLY the paper coupon, they don't take chips that were associated with it.
June 18th, 2014 at 11:40:14 PM
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Quote: FleaStiffI'm not sure where Flea is going either.
I think it might be best to explain my views in more detail and you can then tell me where I'm going wrong.
A Match Play coupon represents certain "phantom chips" but when the casino takes the coupon they must leave the chips.
So Ten dollars of your money plus a Match Play Coupon is viewed as if it were a twenty dollar bet. If it wins on a 1:1 bet the casino pays an additional twenty dollars , but it takes the coupon, but only the paper coupon, leaving a total of forty dollars on the felt: your original ten, the ten the casino 'matched', the twenty that bet won.
Stop right there. You're counting the match play twice.
Bet: $10 real money, $10 match play coupon
Pay: $10 to the real money, $10 to the coupon.
The match play isn't turned into chips and THEN paid. It is basically a $10 monopoly chip.
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June 19th, 2014 at 6:49:23 AM
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Maybe my overpayment at the Tropicana had something to do with me having $10 in CASH laid down along with the coupon? Since they had to sweep up both the match-play coupon and the cash, perhaps that caused some confusion on the payout.
I suppose at this point it is water under the bridge (in my favor), but at least I think I have my expectations correct now on how I should be paid when using match play in the future. Although given a choice, I would prefer the "Tropicana Method". :)
Thanks to everyone for the responses.
I suppose at this point it is water under the bridge (in my favor), but at least I think I have my expectations correct now on how I should be paid when using match play in the future. Although given a choice, I would prefer the "Tropicana Method". :)
Thanks to everyone for the responses.
You serious, Clark?
June 19th, 2014 at 7:32:58 AM
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You bet your butt you prefer the Trop method! Too bad it wasn't a $50 match play! :)
Casinos are not your friends, they want your money. But so does Disneyland.
And there is no chance in hell that you will go to Disneyland and come back with more money than you went with.
- AxelWolf and Mickeycrimm
June 19th, 2014 at 7:56:41 AM
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My casino does Free Bet coupons, and typically they are bet by themselves, but if one were to do a "match bet" then it would be the way the Silver Star did it. If you put $5 in chips and $5 in match bet on red, black, pass, don't pass, blackjack, player, banker, etc. then we would take the match bet coupon regardless of the outcome, pay you only what you win on that match bet, and then pay the regular bet normally. You would end up with $15 for a win.
The Tropicana promotion? Sounds freaking awesome.
The Tropicana promotion? Sounds freaking awesome.
June 19th, 2014 at 8:00:27 AM
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Flea -
You're describing a "Use it till you lose it" type promotion. Rarely done with coupons, but often done with non-redeemable chips.
Match Play is use it once (unless you push).
You're describing a "Use it till you lose it" type promotion. Rarely done with coupons, but often done with non-redeemable chips.
Match Play is use it once (unless you push).
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June 19th, 2014 at 9:02:09 AM
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I have an offer from the Silver Star for $40 in match play that can be drawn in any multiple(s) of $5.
I'm normally a $5 bettor, but I wonder if there is any benefit to using the match play slowly (request eight $5 coupons) or just use it all at once in a big swing for the fences (request a single $40 coupon).
Or does it really make any difference either way?
I'm normally a $5 bettor, but I wonder if there is any benefit to using the match play slowly (request eight $5 coupons) or just use it all at once in a big swing for the fences (request a single $40 coupon).
Or does it really make any difference either way?
You serious, Clark?
June 21st, 2014 at 2:44:34 AM
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Quote: hwccdealerMy casino does Free Bet coupons, and typically they are bet by themselves, but if one were to do a "match bet" then it would be the way the Silver Star did it. If you put $5 in chips and $5 in match bet on red, black, pass, don't pass, blackjack, player, banker, etc. then we would take the match bet coupon regardless of the outcome, pay you only what you win on that match bet, and then pay the regular bet normally. You would end up with $15 for a win.
Yeah I got "free bets" at Harrahs when they were in St. Louis too. Also got a match play at orleans and the dealer incorrectly treated it like a free bet. Score!
June 21st, 2014 at 3:11:16 AM
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the error when made is thinking of match play as free play
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June 21st, 2014 at 3:39:51 AM
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A 25 dollar match play is(not counting anything like house edge etc) worth 12.50 in cash.
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