Why do Trolls troll?
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There are four grades of trolling: playtime trolling, tactical trolling, strategic trolling, and domination trolling
Quote: BuzzardWhat class of trolls are we discussing ?
There are four grades of trolling: playtime trolling, tactical trolling, strategic trolling, and domination trolling
Wouldn't tactical and strategic trolling be the same type of trolling?
Quote: tilt247Wouldn't tactical and strategic trolling be the same type of trolling?
Oh, no. In the tactical one you cannot troll the forest for the trees.
Quote: NareedOh, no. In the tactical one you cannot troll the forest for the trees.
Ahh I see lol
Quote: tilt247This is what I don't understand. There comes a point in time where neither side will budge in the debate. Both sides have said what they wanted to say and both sides stick firmly to their beliefs. So then the insults come out and from both sides. People get silenced, banned, nuked whatever you want to call it and no one wins the debate. Hours of typing, getting mad, getting frustrated, drinking, kicking puppies etc....
That's not trolling. It's a heated, often times passioante debate.
[Now we move to the pahse where the thread degenrates into a debate on what Trolling is]
There are reasons to engage in it, and to risk getting suspended sometimes.
Quote: NareedThat's not trolling. It's a heated, often times passioante debate.
[Now we move to the pahse where the thread degenrates into a debate on what Trolling is]
There are reasons to engage in it, and to risk getting suspended sometimes.
I'm specifically speaking of a "betting system" claim, or gamblers challenging AP's or a post that simply goes against science, math, nature etc. Some things that are posted are just down right silly and we fall for it every single time...
Quote: tilt247I'm specifically speaking of a "betting system" claim, or gamblers challenging AP's
Oh, that's not even worth reading, much less arguing about.
Quote: tilt247This is what I don't understand. There comes a point in time where neither side will budge in the debate. Both sides have said what they wanted to say and both sides stick firmly to their beliefs. So then the insults come out and from both sides. People get silenced, banned, nuked whatever you want to call it and no one wins the debate. Hours of typing, getting mad, getting frustrated, drinking, kicking puppies etc.... So trolls.. STOP TROLLING!!! And everyone else, STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS!! I'm guilty myself, but I'm not buying into it anymore. Anything that I see as just nonsense, I'm ignoring.....
There are a few types of "trolls" and a few reasons for them. Not all are troll behavior.
Since you asked first, there are the "betting systems" trolls. To be fair some do not know better. A person who does not know they do not work arrives with every flight at McCaren and every Greyhound Bus. Back in the days of USENET this was called the "Freshman Effect" because each fall you saw bad bahavior online with the new class. They soon learned better, but today with anyone getting access anywhere it is a constant thing.
Some people like to debate (argue, if you must.) For me it is a way of mentally blowing off excess energy. Some guys will go out to bars with the intention of getting in a fight. They just like scrapping. They have excess physical energy. I like the debate here because even if I never convince a few people to come to my side I get the mental workout of being forced to prove my point in a logical way. This exercises the mind. And I have actually had a few people say I convinced them, partially convinced them, and back in college even walk up and say they enjoyed my posts. Which was cool once you determine they are not a process server......
Finally, some people like to watch the results. I was guilty of this in real life once. At a convention with friends, one far left and another to the right. The one on the right was a quiet guy but if he had passion on something he could get going. The one on the left could get sunburn on his tounge.
So somehow the issue of the Confederate Flag comes up, and the lefty thought it should "be banned." I asked why and he said because it offends. So I said, "then I guess you are for the No Flag Burning Amendment?" (I'm not but I *knew* what the answer would be and **knew** said answer would rile the aforesad quiet guy right up.)
So the guy says, "No, that is freedom of expression." BOOM! the other guy goes crazy on it and I got to enjoy the debate. But what I also got to see was how he tried to defend banning one but not the other, which he could not do.
A-hole, and it turns out I am, mostly.
I only scored highly on the open
minded and inquisitive part. On the
rest of it I'm pretty much the unibomber.
http://hexaco.org/hexaco-online
Quote: EvenBobI just took this test to see if I'm an
A-hole, and it turns out I am, mostly.
I only scored highly on the open
minded and inquisitive part. On the
rest of it I'm pretty much the unibomber.
http://hexaco.org/hexaco-online
I am absolutely taking this test when I have a few minutes. How long did it take you?
Quote: DodsferdI am absolutely taking this test when I have a few minutes. How long did it take you?
10 min, maybe. Be honest, don't try and
answer in a way that would skew it. The
results show how you did against the
average, and the extremes. I'm a
curmudgeon for sure, no surprise to
my wife.
Quote: EvenBob10 min, maybe. Be honest, don't try and
answer in a way that would skew it. The
results show how you did against the
average, and the extremes. I'm a
curmudgeon for sure, no surprise to
my wife.
Interesting. I scored high on the Social Self-Esteem, and Perfectionism. Fearfulness, Modesty, and Flexibility are on the low end.
Snapped the results into a spoiler tag for the full results.
Not really surprised by the results to be honest.
Quote: DodsferdInteresting. I scored high on the Social Self-Esteem, and Perfectionism. Fearfulness, Modesty, and Flexibility are on the low end.
I'm a far nastier person than you are. Think
Ted Kaczynski..
I think FrGamble may have gotten to you ...
Maybe this could be called a passive aggressive troll?
Quote: texasplumrMaybe this could be called a passive aggressive troll?
Or a "con-troll?"
Quote: MrVOr a "con-troll?"
+1
'con-troll'?. That right there is funny, several different ways, which means it's creative as well. Salute!
Unless you're going to insult "Batman and Chronic", you're safe. For those who missed the reference, watch the final scene of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.
Quote: texasplumrAnother common troll is the one who will simply start a thread with a question they know will bring about heated debate. They sit back and watch the debate only participating when the need is there to stir the pot again. These trolls rarely, if ever, join the debate. Usually their participation is through questions which will keep the debate going. Mostly, nobody really knows where this troll stands on the debate that they started.
Maybe this could be called a passive aggressive troll?
If I had a persecution complex or was narcissistic, I would assume this comment was directed at me for reviving an old thread. But I suffer from neither, so all is good.
I debated on creating a new thread for the link I posted, but in the end decided to just keep the troll talk here. I probably should have posted the link in the Suspension Discussion thread, since that is where the most recent conversation has been taking place.
|I have now re-posted in the thread, instead of sitting back, and my stance is I am agin' trolling. ;-)
Quote: RaleighCrapsIf I had a persecution complex or was narcissistic, I would assume this comment was directed at me for reviving an old thread. But I suffer from neither, so all is good.
I debated on creating a new thread for the link I posted, but in the end decided to just keep the troll talk here. I probably should have posted the link in the Suspension Discussion thread, since that is where the most recent conversation has been taking place.
|I have now re-posted in the thread, instead of sitting back, and my stance is I am agin' trolling. ;-)
Hahahaha I had to go back and see what you were talking about. I can assure you that I had no particular poster in mind when I posted. I'll have to open the article and read it now.
Quote: EvenBobWhy do people come here and discuss the
fool when he gets banned under another
name? It just encourages him to come
back. He's an obvious attention whore and
that's just what you're giving him, attention.
Some guy with the most posts hit the head on the nail here with his post in the other thread.
Compare the length of this thread (for trolls) with that of the suspension list (for non-trolls).
People need to get a life.
Quote: ahiromuUnless you're going to insult "Batman and Chronic", you're safe.
I can't tell if that's a legit mistake, or if you're trolling.
It's Bluntman, not Batman
Quote: DieterI can't tell if that's a legit mistake, or if you're trolling.
It's Bluntman, not Batman
You're right, I was on the phone.
I think it would be helpful to know more. For example, should one be accused of trolling merely for having a different opinion, for not kowtowing to the status quo? How about for saying something unpopular? People here are often accused of trolling. Is it considered a personal insult? Calling someone a troll because you don't like them is just wrong.
Along those lines, what about baiting? Is baiting a form of trolling? Do the two go hand in hand? It seems to me that trolling is used way too much here and is, in some cases, just a cop out. When losing ground in a debate it is very convenient to bring up the T word. Grown men and women should be better than that.
Quote: 1BBCan we get a clear definition of trolling for the purpose of this forum? In my opinion, 'you know it when you see it' doesn't tell us much. Is it one of the many Urban Dictionary definitions? How about NETLINGO? Wikipedia? Ask five different people and more than likely you will get five different answers. Could it be any more subjective?
I think it would be helpful to know more. For example, should one be accused of trolling merely for having a different opinion, for not kowtowing to the status quo? How about for saying something unpopular? People here are often accused of trolling. Is it considered a personal insult? Calling someone a troll because you don't like them is just wrong.
Along those lines, what about baiting? Is baiting a form of trolling? Do the two go hand in hand? It seems to me that trolling is used way too much here and is, in some cases, just a cop out. When losing ground in a debate it is very convenient to bring up the T word. Grown men and women should be better than that.
Hold on while I go over to Trump's Facebook page.
Quote: 1BBCan we get a clear definition of trolling for the purpose of this forum? In my opinion, 'you know it when you see it' doesn't tell us much. Is it one of the many Urban Dictionary definitions? How about NETLINGO? Wikipedia? Ask five different people and more than likely you will get five different answers. Could it be any more subjective?
It's when 3 out of 5 admins agree it's trolling. (probably)
Concerning "you know it when you see it," even the Supreme Court's best test of obscenity is less than precise in all cases.
Quote:1.The average person, applying local community standards, looking at the work in its entirety, must find that it appeals to the prurient interest.
2.The work must describe or depict, in an obviously offensive way, sexual conduct, or excretory functions.
3.The work as a whole must lack "serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific values".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it
Here's another study that concludes that trolls and video game 'grievers' are usually losers in real life. So just know that all those folks who get on to online fora simply to sow discord and insult people are, in fact, maladjusted.
Where "Griefing" is concerned, it's usually more of an actual action rather than done through text or verbally; In Online games, it could revolve around killing a lower or weaker opponent, destroying valuables for no actual benefit or profit. I've seen a lot of this in games such as World of Warcraft, EVE, Minecraft, etc. Games where there are a lot of people together in a "sandbox" or MMO scenario are prone to this. I - myself, spent days killing lowbies or weak opponents in WoW with a stealthed character, just because I was bored.
Trolling on the other hand, is at essence, is the goal to gain a raise out of someone, or something (A message board for example). "Baiting" falls under this category as well, as the overall goal remains the same, though the initial contact is difference. A typical trolling post could be as simple as a declarative statement that serves to invoke a controversial discussion without any actual merit or benefit, whereas a baiting post could involve the same content, but written or produced in a way that compels people to post a response regardless - An awkwardly phrased question would be a good example.
Trolling and Baiting are pretty similar, if not the same thing worded differently.
This is just my own experiences and opinions on the matter at least.
Edit: Word usage.
Some people will constantly take outlandish positions on different topics. That is not necessarily trolling, but when the person ends up taking a position that is not consistent with previous positions they have taken, then I consider they have moved to trolling. So arguing constantly just for the sake of arguing could be considered a minor form of trolling (or baiting).
I also feel that a troll will make their post more personal, attacking posters more than the idea or topic, something that is certainly frowned upon in this forum.
All of the above is IMO.
Quote: RaleighCrapsSome people will constantly take outlandish positions on different topics. That is not necessarily trolling, but when the person ends up taking a position that is not consistent with previous positions they have taken, then I consider they have moved to trolling. So arguing constantly just for the sake of arguing could be considered a minor form of trolling (or baiting).
I also feel that a troll will make their post more personal, attacking posters more than the idea or topic, something that is certainly frowned upon in this forum.
In my opinion, no matter what you talk about, you are not a troll unless you, yourself know that you're trying to get a rise out of the people you're addressing, mostly just to aggravate them, put them down, or similar.
If you aggravate people inadvertently that doesn't necessarily make you a troll.
knows will upset me, doesn't make her
a troll. It's what women do to get our
attention. I don't like it, that's why she
does it.
Quote: EvenBobMy wife is always saying things that she
knows will upset me, doesn't make her
a troll. It's what women do to get our
attention. I don't like it, that's why she
does it.
What? Your wife was trolling you but she's not a troll because she's your wife ? Pls correct me if I got that wrong.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLWhat? Your wife was trolling you but she's not a troll because she's your wife ? Pls correct me if I got that wrong.
Are you serious?
Quote: EvenBobAre you serious?
Only once or twice a week, generally.
Quote: 1BBThanks for the link, rxwine. It was a good read.
But of zero practical value.
Given that a person has a particular diagnosed psychological disorder, it's reasonable to expect and conclude the disorder's traits. But given a person's trait or traits (at a distance), it's not reasonable to merely conclude the traits are related to a psychological disorder, or even related.
The layperson works from a professional diagnosis to an understanding of the manifestations or symptoms; and then perhaps a course of treatment over the internet. Not the other way around, as when people go to the internet for a diagnosis of their own and others' medical problems.
When we look for possible problems under a microscope, we tend to overlook the as infrequent apparently "good persons" who want nothing more than to lead us down the proverbial sh*thole.
Beyond this, some of the greatest people in one way had unfavorable attributes in another. And no psychologist I know would session someone over the internet.
Quote: DoubleOrNothingBut of zero practical value.
Given that a person has a particular diagnosed psychological disorder, it's reasonable to expect and conclude the disorder's traits. But given a person's trait or traits (at a distance), it's not reasonable to merely conclude the traits are related to a psychological disorder, or even related.
The layperson works from a professional diagnosis to an understanding of the manifestations or symptoms; and then perhaps a course of treatment over the internet. Not the other way around, as when people go to the internet for a diagnosis of their own and others' medical problems.
When we look for possible problems under a microscope, we tend to overlook the as infrequent apparently "good persons" who want nothing more than to lead us down the proverbial sh*thole.
Beyond this, some of the greatest people in one way had unfavorable attributes in another. And no psychologist I know would session someone over the internet.
Calling Kerkenet, can you hear me? Over...
Quote: DoubleOrNothingAnd no psychologist I know would session someone over the internet.
I know of a psychologist who Skypes patients.
Very convenient and he charges less than for
an office visit.
Well, this brings me up to date. But it's hard to imagine because today's psychologists use all sorts of non-verbal gestures and prompts to elicit normal reactions. Almost hypnotic in context.Quote: EvenBobVery convenient and he charges less than for
an office visit.
Quote:So, if you’re thinking about a screen relations based treatment, try to remember that better than nothing should not be confused with routine care. After all, just because an emergency tracheotomy can be done using a Bic pen (the soft feel Jumbo passes muster) does not mean people should seek out hospitals that routinely use the local Office Depot as a medical device supply store just because that hospital happens to be convenient. http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddessig/2014/12/09/the-skype-therapy-illusion-and-the-myth-of-functional-equivalence/
think they do belong. Usually are depressed big time, and hate their wife or gal.
