OneAngryDwarf
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May 11th, 2010 at 2:26:43 PM permalink
If I ran a Vegas casino I'd have the absolute worst games out there. Blackjack would be all 6:5, H17, double only on 10/11, NO odds allowed at all on craps, and triple-zero roulette. I'd rake in a fortune because none of these idiots who patronize us know what they're doing, right? I'd have a small and overpriced buffet, and comps for it only go to anyone betting purple for 5 hours on Caribbean Stud. Comp rooms, forget it. I'd hire dealers who never smile or talk to players (even if they wanted to talk to players, they couldn't because they don't speak any English), cocktail waitresses who openly berate players who don't tip them, and menacing-looking security guards (preferably ex-cons) who stare at suspected card counters to intimidate them, or anyone who is winning too much. Then I'd take all the money I rake in and blow it on gambling at a decent casino.
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rxwine
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May 11th, 2010 at 11:54:23 PM permalink
I'd be the first casino to post all the odds on ALL the games and I'd advertise it.

"The only place that tells you the odds"

But I'd try to give incentives to make people want to play games where they are losing money. Popular games would have slightly worse odds. Possibly the same games with different odds would have Better service and amenities, more comfortable seating and lighting where you're ready to waste more money. Possibly, just the way it is now, but you'd be aware of it.

I'd have full pay video poker, but for instance, you'd have to go to a bar and get your own drink. And easy VP games would play slow, while complex strategies would be fast machines.

I'd do things in the "poor odds" section like someone could win free show tickets and other promotions.
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FleaStiff
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May 12th, 2010 at 4:17:36 AM permalink
Interesting about that "Full Video Poker, but get up and go get your own drinks". Is this to force abandonment of the machine so as to eliminate hoggers or is it to simply not waste booze on someone who is at a 100.19 percent machine?

Its still more efficient to have a drink specified from the machine itself so that the CW makes one trip and the timing is exact, not estimated or influenced by the CW's tips.

I do like the "odds disclosed" ... I'd have each and every slot machine indicated also.

The more comfortable chairs at the least beneficial machines perhaps but I'd not make a big deal about it.

It seems we would all either like to own Harrahs and loot the money for ourselves or we would all like to run a real gambling joint and accept a bottom line that was not maximized.

Which would you prefer as a stockholder? Frankly, I'd go for the real gambling joint rather than Harrahs, even as a stock holder.
pacomartin
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May 12th, 2010 at 4:49:24 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

I'd be the first casino to post all the odds on ALL the games and I'd advertise it.
"The only place that tells you the odds"



You might be able to collect a lot of dollar machines that the casinos are giving up in exchange for penny machines. I think with all dollar machines you could use the setting with the lowest HA and advertise it and get away with it.
ruascott
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May 12th, 2010 at 6:34:36 AM permalink
I don't get the "get up and get your own drinks". The more alcohol consumed, the much greater chance that a player wouldn't be able to play perfect strategy, and would therefore never get the 100%+ return.
pacomartin
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May 12th, 2010 at 4:08:33 PM permalink
Quote: ruascott

I don't get the "get up and get your own drinks".



Probably a lawsuit waiting to happen. The old timers would tell you that high touch is the most important aspect of a profitable casino. They think that table minimums should be reduced again so that there is wild free for all aspect to the casinos. That's how you create memorable experiences and new generations of customers. Too much self serve and automation and people will just play on their computers.
rxwine
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May 12th, 2010 at 4:18:07 PM permalink
I guess that's another way to look at it, ruascott, though feeding drinks to people playing in the high return areas (to the casino that is) would be where I'd expect to reap most of the benefits anyway.

I don't know if the whole posting odds thing would work and stay profitable, but hey, stores can get away with selling products side by side with different prices, and some people will buy something more expensive over every bargain for different reasons (quality, percieved quality, works better, , or they think it works better, reputation), so i figure maybe you could sell the the same idea "openly" instead of hiding it.

Supposedly big spenders get the most luxury, contribute most to the bottom line -- just be open about it instead of hiding it. Show em a better time, or give more back for that -- just like they do now but post the odds too.

If there was only a half percentage point between a noisy rowdy crowded table game vs, a laid back one you're probably going to get some patrons who are going to pay for a more pleasant atomosphere without considering that 1/2 percent.

That's my theory anyway.
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rxwine
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May 12th, 2010 at 4:25:02 PM permalink
Are there online places that offer greater than 100% return, no catches? I will play there myself.
Quasimodo? Does that name ring a bell?
CFTCFT
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May 22nd, 2010 at 5:03:11 PM permalink
I would try to promote table games more. Get slot players to start playing on table games as well. Friendly dealers ect.

I would also add to the player tracking how good the player plays. I.E. on a BJ table when the player leaves the dealer/pit boss should choose either good average or bad as far as how the player is playing. Players that make lots of mistakes and play 6/5 would get lots of offers to come back. For craps players that bet alot of prop bets it would be noted. Those players would be targeted for more comps/offers to get them coming back more.
BigTip
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June 3rd, 2010 at 4:17:27 PM permalink
I would offer a good gamble, but to do that, you would have to promote that somehow. And promoting it would mean educating the public, and we know how hard THAT is.

An improvement that I think would be easy to do would be to make the table game area by itself. I mean NOT surrounded by slot machines dinging away. That is why I like Monte Carlo, because a lot of the table pits don't have slots right next to them.

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