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February 17th, 2014 at 7:36:05 PM permalink
In another thread I had mentioned this so I wanted to start a thread about it. My mother works with one of the people involved. I have linked a story that actually just appeared a month ago in the local paper. It is kind of strange reading this article since I know a little more about the story. It says they don't know how the people learned of the machine, but I know for a fact that the ring leader was trained by another team in Vegas. Also it says there are 2 people involved, but I know for a fact that there were at least 5 people involved. The 2 people charged would give others money to play and give them the money at the end of the day and collect a % of that. I guess that is how VP teams work anyways. I bet there was much more than 500k collected, but that is all they detected.

This whole story reminds me of the movie Casino. When 3 people hit a jackpot in 15 minutes and the slots manager didn't pull the machine after the 2nd one. Shouldn't the casino manager have figured this out much sooner?

Does anyone else on here know of this story or a similar one from Vegas that might be related.

http://triblive.com/aande/gambling/5354565-74/nestor-poker-machine#axzz2tdmcXcuI

ETA: In the first part of the story it talks about wire fraud charges from Nevada. I guess that was him paying the person who taught him about this.
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February 17th, 2014 at 7:40:43 PM permalink
and here is him in Vegas that I just found.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/crime-courts/two-men-charged-slot-plot
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February 17th, 2014 at 7:52:01 PM permalink
I understand that glitches voids all pays. But how is this cheating or fraud? If someone figures out that a machine is not properly setup, the gamer is under no obligation to volunteer such information. If the casino chose to enable a double up feature on a video poker machine, it is the casino's fault. Who in their right mind changes the way a slot machine is programmed based on a player's request?

I mean really now, a player asking an attendant to change a machine's setup?! Ridiculous! Was the attendant in on it? Conspiracy? The way I see it, shame of the casino company and the programmers for releasing a machine with a bug in it.

If he's smart enough to figure out a glitch, he should be allowed to keep the money. Fortunately for him, he returned the money and the charges were dropped. It still doesn't make him whole since he's now barred from PA casinos. The guy deserves a consulting contract, and not retribution.

Putting more money in a machine, toggling between games, and getting a higher payout due to a programming defect is hardly a crime.
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February 17th, 2014 at 7:56:56 PM permalink
Quote: Asswhoopermcdaddy

I understand that glitches voids all pays. But how is this cheating or fraud? If someone figures out that a machine is not properly setup, the gamer is under no obligation to volunteer such information. If the casino chose to enable a double up feature on a video poker machine, it is the casino's fault. Who in their right mind changes the way a slot machine is programmed based on a player's request?

I mean really now, a player asking an attendant to change a machine's setup?! Ridiculous! Was the attendant in on it? Conspiracy? The way I see it, shame of the casino company and the programmers for releasing a machine with a bug in it.

If he's smart enough to figure out a glitch, he should be allowed to keep the money. Fortunately for him, he returned the money and the charges were dropped. It still doesn't make him whole since he's now barred from PA casinos. The guy deserves a consulting contract, and not retribution.

Putting more money in a machine, toggling between games, and getting a higher payout due to a programming defect is hardly a crime.



I play at this casino a good bit. Last month I was playing VP and the machine that I was playing had the speed button disabled. I called over an attendant to ask him to change it. I like to play on the medium speed setting. He told me that they are not allowed into the settings. At the time I forgot about this story but I wonder if this story is the reason that he could not change it.
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February 17th, 2014 at 7:58:10 PM permalink
I thought this was old news Nestor got off.
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February 17th, 2014 at 8:07:43 PM permalink
Quote: Asswhoopermcdaddy

I understand that glitches voids all pays. But how is this cheating or fraud? If someone figures out that a machine is not properly setup, the gamer is under no obligation to volunteer such information. If the casino chose to enable a double up feature on a video poker machine, it is the casino's fault. Who in their right mind changes the way a slot machine is programmed based on a player's request?

I mean really now, a player asking an attendant to change a machine's setup?! Ridiculous! Was the attendant in on it? Conspiracy? The way I see it, shame of the casino company and the programmers for releasing a machine with a bug in it.

If he's smart enough to figure out a glitch, he should be allowed to keep the money. Fortunately for him, he returned the money and the charges were dropped. It still doesn't make him whole since he's now barred from PA casinos. The guy deserves a consulting contract, and not retribution.

Putting more money in a machine, toggling between games, and getting a higher payout due to a programming defect is hardly a crime.


100% agree
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February 17th, 2014 at 8:08:42 PM permalink
Quote: Asswhoopermcdaddy

The guy deserves a consulting contract, and not retribution.

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I think that statement is a bit out there, since we don't know how he found this glitch. If someone hits the Mega Bucks slot jackpot, this dose not atomically make them an authority on slots.
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February 17th, 2014 at 8:14:42 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I play at this casino a good bit. Last month I was playing VP and the machine that I was playing had the speed button disabled. I called over an attendant to ask him to change it. I like to play on the medium speed setting. He told me that they are not allowed into the settings. At the time I forgot about this story but I wonder if this story is the reason that he could not change it.



IMHO, a casino attendant should not be allowed to change your machine with respect to speed either. Adds too much risk to the casino. What's to say that isn't the way the casino management/developer wants that particular machine set? If you don't like the speed of that particular machine, there are plenty of slots in the area that will meet your needs.

And even if we're ok with changing the speed be it, fast, slow, or medium......the article suggests that a double up feature bonus was activated by the attendant. Now I don't know which specific machine he was playing, but I'd err on the side of caution and objectivity in saying that kind of option should not be touched by an attendant.

Once a machine hits the floor, there shouldn't be any tinkering (barring a reset for a jackpot). The ability to change a program or a feature just gives me goose bumps because it brings into question the integrity of the game.
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February 17th, 2014 at 8:18:46 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I think that statement is a bit out there, since we don't know how he found this glitch. If someone hits the Mega Bucks slot jackpot, this dose not atomically make them an authority on slots.



Fair enough. The article suggested he was being investigated by the NGC as well. I don't think its a matter of hitting a jackpot equating to an expert authority. I get what you're trying to say though. I think in this situation, he found a bug. I'm not sure how it matters he discovered the glitch. I think there should be a mechanism whereby he can approach the game developer or casino to let them know of the discrepancy, and receive a reward for it.

For example, Facebook provided monetary benefits to users who identified glitches within their software. Of course this guy had no insensitive to inform IGT or the casino. He just tried to milk instead. Once again, glitches void all pays. There should be proper incentive to report errors.
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February 17th, 2014 at 8:25:30 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I play at this casino a good bit. Last month I was playing VP and the machine that I was playing had the speed button disabled. I called over an attendant to ask him to change it. I like to play on the medium speed setting. He told me that they are not allowed into the settings. At the time I forgot about this story but I wonder if this story is the reason that he could not change it.

I think they just want all your money and want someone else in your seat than anything else. Winning money for casinos at a lower pace they choose to not want to allow and playing for entertainment is something they want to only be public relations. Those Game Kings of today are the inbred children of what originally was introduced and totally are horrible from a player perspective in terms of usability. What most people hate Keno wise is having to change your bet to change your numbers for no good reason player wise. You get all this stuff when you have monopolies when there can be no real backlash.
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