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Buzzard
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January 7th, 2014 at 1:56:19 PM permalink
" I know people who eat Chinese food every day. It's all they eat. It's all they like." Millions of people in China have this addiction. It is pandemic.
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boymimbo
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January 7th, 2014 at 2:16:06 PM permalink
Thanks, LarryS for your contribution. Please define what you believe an addict is. You need all four characteristics to make an addict, not just one. We should probably add something to do with endorphins in there.

Let's have a dialogue rather than an attack.
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AxiomOfChoice
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January 7th, 2014 at 2:41:01 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Thanks, LarryS for your contribution. Please define what you believe an addict is. You need all four characteristics to make an addict, not just one. We should probably add something to do with endorphins in there.



The main problem is that the word "addiction" is not well defined. It's not like a mathematical concept which can be rigorously defined. It's not even like a scientific concept which can be determined through experimentation. Some doctors just got together, and said that anyone who meets certain criteria is "addicted", and people who don't meet those criteria are not. And, every once in a while they all get together and change their definitions. And different doctors in different countries have their own definitions. So, while you might be an addict in the US, you might not be in France. It's completely arbitrary.

Note that, a few decades ago, someone who was homosexual was considered to be mentally ill. Why? Because it was politically correct, at that time, to define homosexuality as a mental illness, so that's how it was defined. Now it is not politically correct to define it that way, so that's not how it's defined any more. The point is, "mental illness" doesn't actually mean anything; it's simply some arbitrary list of things that some doctors made up. The list changes as the things that society considers to be acceptable change.

As such, it doesn't really make sense to argue about whether or not someone is addicted. We clearly don't all mean the same thing by the word. You can choose to use the definition that one group of doctors uses, or you can use the definition that another group uses, or you can make up your own definition. It doesn't matter. And obviously, if we all use different definitions then we are not going to agree on the outcome.
LarryS
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January 7th, 2014 at 5:28:57 PM permalink
My definition of "addiction" is not relevant. In fact I have no personal definition. There are plenty of medical websites to give you a cogent definition.

However the things brought up are clearly recognizable as not being addictions

People who are fat and eat alot of chocolate are not chocolate 'addicts".....they are fat people with no discipline'

People who get caught cheating ont heir wives are not "sex addicts"....they are more self absorbed selfish poorly raised a-holes

A person who goes to Italy and has a great time, and for years and years thinks about going back, craves going back,..is not a "travel addict" or an italy addict

A person who goes to vegas less than once a month and thinks about it alot is not automatically an "addict" based on just what has been told to us.

A person who spends all his time working on his personal motorcycles in the garage at the expense of paying attention to his children....is not an "addict"....rather just a poor parent

we just love to throw the word "addict" around. It makes people a victim of a disease rather than just call the person out for being a bad person, a egomaniac, a poor decision maker, a person that prioritizes poorly,,,a person who is irresponsible. a bad parent/husband

A person on welfare who buys scratch off tickets every day is an "addict"??? or just an irresponsible person who has money that they didnt work for and therefore puts no value in conserving it? They will get another check next week.

I personally have gambled at least once a week at a casino or racetrack every week for the last 35 years. Am I addicted? NO.....How can I say that?,,,,Because 3 years ago I was between jobs and for 3 months didnt gamble.I just didnt think it was right to risk family money if I wasnt bringing any in. And I did not go thru withrawl symptoms...no tremors, no shakes, no depression, no stomach pain, no insomnia, no constant thinking of placing a bet(all common traits of addiction). I just did other things to concentrate on getting my next job. Could someone else in my shoes that gambles every week for 30 years be an addict???..Absolutly. Its not the action only....its how your brain and body require the action and physically and mentally needs that action that counts.

You cannot simply identify an action as being addiction
juiciejennie
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January 18th, 2014 at 11:40:37 AM permalink
hi there!! soooo i been contemplating and maybe worrying? that i may be addicted to gambling; i NEVER went to (local) casinos this much...i went practically every dam day this week!! i DO NOT want to end up like my friend who lost her sister's car and bank account. of course i know it will never come to that...whenever i go to casino, i only bring/take with me like few hundred ($150-250)
and i never gamble/play w money i shouldn't be losing etc...but i just concerned that i may be addicted somebody please any insight and advice opinion etc will greatly help TIA!~
Perdition
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January 18th, 2014 at 11:43:28 AM permalink
Quote: juiciejennie

hi there!! soooo i been contemplating and maybe worrying? that i may be addicted to gambling; i NEVER went to (local) casinos this much...i went practically every dam day this week!! i DO NOT want to end up like my friend who lost her sister's car and bank account. of course i know it will never come to that...whenever i go to casino, i only bring/take with me like few hundred ($150-250)
and i never gamble/play w money i shouldn't be losing etc...but i just concerned that i may be addicted somebody please any insight and advice opinion etc will greatly help TIA!~



And so it begins.......
juiciejennie
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January 18th, 2014 at 12:09:05 PM permalink
Quote: Perdition

And so it begins.......


ok idk what ur problem is, but i am just asking for any thoughts etc but never mind
wow i can't even chime in and share my feelings
djatc
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January 18th, 2014 at 12:24:42 PM permalink
What's the difference between addicted and working? If I'm gambling a lot it's an addiction, but if I am making money at it does it still become an addiction, or does it become work?

(Making money at it implies gambling with an advantage)
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odiousgambit
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January 18th, 2014 at 12:35:43 PM permalink
juicie, there are tests you can take to see if you have a problem, only thing is, I don't know which ones to trust. A lot of people think Gambler's Anonymous is extremist, for example.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
midwestgb
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January 18th, 2014 at 5:16:17 PM permalink
Quote: juiciejennie

hi there!! soooo i been contemplating and maybe worrying? that i may be addicted to gambling; i NEVER went to (local) casinos this much...i went practically every dam day this week!! i DO NOT want to end up like my friend who lost her sister's car and bank account. of course i know it will never come to that...whenever i go to casino, i only bring/take with me like few hundred ($150-250)
and i never gamble/play w money i shouldn't be losing etc...but i just concerned that i may be addicted somebody please any insight and advice opinion etc will greatly help TIA!~



It is a question of degree. Gambling creates an emotional response which can become destructive. Many activities in our daily lives create similar responses. That fact alone doesn't make these activities a damaging addiction. Petting one's dog is an example. You might do it daily, many times in fact - but of course it is not a dangerous addiction. I try to assess my gambling on purely financial terms... Can I afford what I am spending on it ON A NET BASIS each month. If not, my gambling habit must be altered.

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