Can Quantum physics be applied to ... Gambling?

Here is why I ask.

Many times I have wondered about patterns in gambling. And yes, of course, I am familiar with the Gambler's Fallacy as applies to the topic of patterns. Yet we continually hear advice such as 'always bet with a trend.' This bit of wisdom is presumably drawn from the notion that sometimes 'streaks' or 'patterns' prevail in games of chance. All of us see things happen in a gambling situation that sometimes support this concept... don't we?

And yet the numbers don't lie. Events are never 'overdue' when pure chance is involved. This is irrefutable. All which leads to my point.

Before the discovery of quantum mechanics, the world was viewed with a basic lens when it came to physics - the Macro lens. Quantum physics brought a new frame of reference. Tiny particles which could not necessarily be 'viewed' in the traditional sense. Moreover, the process of 'viewing' the objects then became something of an influence on the objects themselves, and their perceived movement! And so - and I do not truly understand Quantum physics to be sure - the process of understanding and/or evaluating quantum objects became something of a 'probability process.' This is why my question arises.

Under what circumstance might quantum physics be used to assess otherwise random outcomes in a classic game such as roulette? Or perhaps craps? Or any other casino game premised on a specified house percentage? Is there any indication that it is being done today, by anyone?

Quantum Physics as applied to a pair of dice indicates that the roll of two standard 6-sided dice labled 1 to 6 might total 1.

QP is more profound when looking at energy barriers like the tunnelling of a signal through a semi-conductor PN junction. Even though there is not enough energy, the signal passes through. Sort of like a flowing river that encounters a dam... if the dam isn't high enough, water splashes over the top, yet the dam is high enough to contain the river as it fills.

I Don't know, but it's all pretty mind blowing when you think of this stuff. How much of reality is just perception, what would four dimensional object look like, etc. Remember we cannot see three dimensions but our mind just perceives them by making calculations to make it make sense.

Quote: midwestgb

Under what circumstance might quantum physics be used to assess otherwise random outcomes in a classic game such as roulette? Or perhaps craps? Or any other casino game premised on a specified house percentage? Is there any indication that it is being done today, by anyone?

You can't take a mathematical model used for sub-atomic particles and extrapolate it to the macroscopic world that human beings live in. Any quantum effect ultimately cancels itself out when a large number of particles are involved.

I know Deepak Chopra likes to invoke quantum mechanics in his new age healing quackery so there are people who like to think they can extrapolate.

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You can't take a mathematical model used for sub-atomic particles and extrapolate it to the macroscopic world that human beings live in. Any quantum effect ultimately cancels itself out when a large number of particles are involved.

That's what I was thinking. You can't take
something as massive as a roulette ball and
wheel and apply quantum physics to them.

Quote: midwestgb

Under what circumstance might quantum physics be used to assess otherwise random outcomes in a classic game such as roulette? Or perhaps craps? Or any other casino game premised on a specified house percentage?

None, at least to a practical usage.

The outcome of a roulette spin is highly sensitive to tiny variations in the initial conditions (speed, angle, timing). But even for exact reproduced initial conditions the outcome will be different each time, because of "thermal motions" of the ball, the wheel and the air around. The theoretical foundation of all thermal motion ultimatively is quantum physics. In a way, the randomness of a roulette spin is a footprint of the quantum nature (plus, the chaotic dynamics of the whole setup).

But that doesn't mean excercising quantum physics will help you in that game. First of all it would be way to complicated to keep track of everything relevant, second quantum physics is quite "shy", you need very specific control over all your parameters. The less relevant parameters their are and the better control you have over them, the "easier" it is to observe and study quantum effects. That's the reason quantum physics is applied to very small objects like electrons or photons. But that is not a fundamental limit, quantum physics has been observed for relatively large objects like atoms (which is considerably larger than electrons, and has many more degrees of freedom). But in order to see quantum effects on such things as dices, this is well beyond our current state of the art.

Quote: EvenBob

That's what I was thinking.

Oh, come on, Bob, you're pissed because the OP is revealing your secret Roulette system!!! You want to kick his butt for this!

The quick answer is that everything about gambling is Newtonian, which includes the spinning of a roulette ball or the throw of dice. For everything else, you're looking at statistics. Quantum physics do not apply to gambling at all.

The first thing I thought of with this was the reason casinos don't allow electronic devices at tables...well, this and other reasons.

I heard a story about a team who used a Palm-style device to calculate the spin of a roulette ball and determine the likeliest number that the ball will hit - right after it is spun. Someone at a distance from the table would read the device, pass it on to the bettors, and the bettors would bet heavy on that number and a few of its neighbors.

Of course, wheels that have a lot of bounce thanks to canoes or what-have-you would interfere with this, but any advantage gained is beneficial. If I've learned anything as a dealer, it's that the house advantage is a delicate thing.

Quote: 98Clubs

Quantum Physics as applied to a pair of dice indicates that the roll of two standard 6-sided dice labled 1 to 6 might total 1.

How much does the hard 1 pay?

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

How much does the hard 1 pay?

There's a place in Parhump that can answer that question.

And you get an AARP discount.