James Grosjean Blog
July 15th, 2014 at 3:20:20 AM
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Its cool but All of the information you could get from that book can be found online. Unless you just want it as a collectors edition or something. I cant see the value.Quote: DeMangoMy copy of Exhibit CAA is up on EBay:
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=281386165102&alt=web
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
July 15th, 2014 at 11:10:53 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfIts cool but All of the information you could get from that book can be found online. Unless you just want it as a collectors edition or something. I cant see the value.
How would you know? Have you read it?
There is definitely stuff in the original beyond counting that can't be found online. Plus, Grosjean's books teach you a lot more than just how to beat specific games. I'd say that the information on specific games is really not the point.
DeMango, I'm not going to use ebay, but I'd be willing to buy it from you if you want to set up a private sale.
July 24th, 2014 at 7:31:46 PM
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July 25th, 2014 at 3:57:49 AM
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Thanks. My son handled the deal, I haven't sold on eBay in 10 years. Offered him 10%, to list it under his excellent status, said that he could get as much as $250 for himself. Eyes rolled. Sure dad......
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
July 25th, 2014 at 6:19:17 AM
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July 25th, 2014 at 7:05:46 AM
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I don't know the true value, but Elliot is on the other side, so his opinion has little weight.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
July 25th, 2014 at 7:10:09 AM
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July 25th, 2014 at 10:50:20 AM
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Quote: DeMangoI don't know the true value, but Elliot is on the other side, so his opinion has little weight.
I think a lot of people miss the true value of these book. It's not info of how to beat specific games.
July 25th, 2014 at 11:08:44 AM
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Detailed-notes-Beyond-Counting-Exhibit-CAA-2009-and-Hole-Carding-instruction-DVD-/291175131826?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item43cb63eab2
LOL Oldest scam on ebay. List a book like this, bid it up by friends to a ridiculous price.
Then sell notes and or DVD. First sales of notes recoups fee paid to ebay on inflated listing.
After that collect from the suckers.
LOL Oldest scam on ebay. List a book like this, bid it up by friends to a ridiculous price.
Then sell notes and or DVD. First sales of notes recoups fee paid to ebay on inflated listing.
After that collect from the suckers.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
July 25th, 2014 at 12:28:46 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesMr. Jacobson doesn't think it's worth that much.
http://apheat.net/2014/07/24/not-worth-the-price/
Something is worth what it's worth on the
day it sells at auction. Any auction. Worth
is just a matter of opinion anyway, we all
agree on the general value of an
item and set that as it's price. In an auction,
the bidders set the value and the catalog
estimate is thrown out the window.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 25th, 2014 at 1:12:17 PM
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I don't think the book has much AP value (Research online will get you there). Collecting Vale is different.Quote: Buzzardhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Detailed-notes-Beyond-Counting-Exhibit-CAA-2009-and-Hole-Carding-instruction-DVD-/291175131826?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item43cb63eab2
LOL Oldest scam on ebay. List a book like this, bid it up by friends to a ridiculous price.
Then sell notes and or DVD. First sales of notes recoups fee paid to ebay on inflated listing.
After that collect from the suckers.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
July 25th, 2014 at 1:33:32 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI don't think the book has much AP value (Research online will get you there). Collecting Vale is different.
Forget about the specific plays. The books teach you how to approach things and figure out your own plays. For example, you know that play which we were just discussing (which of course I won't mention here). The play itself is obvious, but coming up with the idea is not so easy. Plays come and go, but the ability to think for yourself lasts a lifetime.
I have not read CAA, but I own the original Beyond Counting, and I learned a lot from that book, even if none of the specific plays in that book are still around. It's not the specific solutions to the problems; it's how to approach the problems.
July 25th, 2014 at 2:24:11 PM
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July 25th, 2014 at 3:56:32 PM
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Everything is on the internet.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
July 25th, 2014 at 4:00:58 PM
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Including this :
http://www.beyondcounting.com/cart/products.html
http://www.beyondcounting.com/cart/products.html
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
July 25th, 2014 at 4:12:25 PM
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September 9th, 2014 at 1:18:54 PM
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A couple of new posts on the blog today.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
September 9th, 2014 at 6:49:32 PM
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He doesn't seem to understand certain social behaviors.
When a kicker makes a 50/50 kick and the announcer says, "well, I guess he misses the next one," there is a chance he's being serious but he probably isn't. It's just a filler comment. Like saying it will probably rain as soon as you wash your car.
The same thing applies to corny dealer jokes and all the other stuff he complains about. The dealers are working. They're not going to tell dead baby jokes. They're gonna recycle the same stuff hoping tourists haven't heard it. I'll admit some get tedious. One jack off, in particular.
Basically, people often just say stuff to take up space and make a little connection, especially with strangers or speaking to a broad audience.
I agree with his first post though. People who are not around gambling don't usually know what "stuck" is and even some recreational hold em players confuse sets and trips. If you're trying to establish the parameters in which someone views you, why not skew it towards "total square" and away from "someone who is in casinos a lot?"
When a kicker makes a 50/50 kick and the announcer says, "well, I guess he misses the next one," there is a chance he's being serious but he probably isn't. It's just a filler comment. Like saying it will probably rain as soon as you wash your car.
The same thing applies to corny dealer jokes and all the other stuff he complains about. The dealers are working. They're not going to tell dead baby jokes. They're gonna recycle the same stuff hoping tourists haven't heard it. I'll admit some get tedious. One jack off, in particular.
Basically, people often just say stuff to take up space and make a little connection, especially with strangers or speaking to a broad audience.
I agree with his first post though. People who are not around gambling don't usually know what "stuck" is and even some recreational hold em players confuse sets and trips. If you're trying to establish the parameters in which someone views you, why not skew it towards "total square" and away from "someone who is in casinos a lot?"
September 9th, 2014 at 7:47:47 PM
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Latest blog:
"Blackjack is not an interesting card game. It is not interesting to play, and it is not interesting to analyze... The only reason we are aware of the game at all is because it’s played for money."
I quit playing because I was bored to
death, I came to hate the stupid game.
Even now I can't watch others playing
it without cringing.
"Blackjack is not an interesting card game. It is not interesting to play, and it is not interesting to analyze... The only reason we are aware of the game at all is because it’s played for money."
I quit playing because I was bored to
death, I came to hate the stupid game.
Even now I can't watch others playing
it without cringing.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 9th, 2014 at 7:53:02 PM
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I think that single deck is an interesting game if you are good enough to remember what cards are left.
September 9th, 2014 at 8:55:28 PM
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Awww, I would definitely overtip a dealer who did this. Not as much as one judiciously using a taser to stifle the behavior of some imaginary "pros" berating the tourists who won't fold, but still.Quote: RigondeauxThey're not going to tell dead baby jokes.
But I won't be expecting it. And if they are actually good at loosening up the fun-loving wild and crazy guys attending the Convention of the Ohio Association of Widget Manufacturing Auditors with their lame stale schtick at a poker table, I know it is benefits me, and I have my earbuds handy.Quote:and away from "someone who is in casinos a lot?"
Suck dope, watch TV, make up stuff, be somebody on the internet.
September 9th, 2014 at 9:49:07 PM
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Quote: DrawingDeadAwww, I would definitely overtip a dealer who did this. Not as much as one judiciously using a taser to stifle the behavior of some imaginary "pros" berating the tourists who won't fold, but still.But I won't be expecting it. And if they are actually good at loosening up the fun-loving wild and crazy guys attending the Convention of the Ohio Association of Widget Manufacturing Auditors with their lame stale schtick at a poker table, I know it is benefits me, and I have my earbuds handy.
I know the mother of all dead baby jokes, but I'm not sure if I can or should tell it here.
In the second quote, I was referring to the AP on blackjack and stuff. It applies to us lowly poker players too, and we're not even at risk of being bounced for winning. I never correct a trips/set mistake, obviously. I've thought about making making the mistake myself, but I think it would be too transparent. It's sort of hard to hide that you're a winning poker player, so I don't try to act like a rube, but I def. play it down and use as little lingo as possible. I do mix in some conventional wisdom. "I hate JJ/AK!"
When I played in Brazil, years ago, I got to be the first one to tell the Anna Kournikova joke to scores of people. It was fun.
Anyway, if you ARE trying to pass yourself as a total rube, I just don't see the upside to saying you are stuck and so forth.
Chip shuffling is my achilles heel. I just can't stop.
I agree. If a dealer uses a joke that I've heard them tell 40 times and it goes over well, I'm all for it. I'll laugh along too. I think this is part of Grossjeans misunderstanding. It's NOT a comedy show. It's not about being Oscar Wilde. You're dealing with people who want to laugh and have a good time. It's just a little cue for them to laugh and smile, rather than evaluate the structure of the joke or something.
October 7th, 2014 at 3:48:49 AM
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Okay maybe someone here knows. Two new entries on the blog. One is about secret numbers. Anybody knows what James is talking about?
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
October 7th, 2014 at 10:26:10 AM
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Yeah, WTH?
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October 7th, 2014 at 12:13:02 PM
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A number does not have letters in it. If it
does, it's a code. Like on the back of a
catalog there will be letters and numbers,
and it says 'enter this code'.
If it meant anything, he would never post
it publicly, so he's having a little joke.
does, it's a code. Like on the back of a
catalog there will be letters and numbers,
and it says 'enter this code'.
If it meant anything, he would never post
it publicly, so he's having a little joke.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
October 9th, 2014 at 7:22:40 AM
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Quote: EvenBobA number does not have letters in it. If it
does, it's a code. Like on the back of a
catalog there will be letters and numbers,
and it says 'enter this code'.
If it meant anything, he would never post
it publicly, so he's having a little joke.
The magic numbers in his book certainly have meaning, so you are probably wrong. I haven't figured out the new set of numbers on his blog yet, however.
My guess is it related to a game Elliot Jacobson admitted to being incapable of analyzing -- a form of payback for the numerous, unprovoked taunts that EJ has posted about JG on his blog ("James...I'm still waiting on my copy of the Book").
October 9th, 2014 at 8:27:57 AM
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Quote: PartialInfoThe magic numbers in his book certainly have meaning, so you are probably wrong. I haven't figured out the new set of numbers on his blog yet, however.
My guess is it related to a game Elliot Jacobson admitted to being incapable of analyzing -- a form of payback for the numerous, unprovoked taunts that EJ has posted about JG on his blog.
Would you be at all interested in sharing the meaning of any magic numbers from the book?
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October 9th, 2014 at 11:07:12 AM
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Quote: PartialInfoI haven't figured out the new set of numbers on his blog yet, however.
It would seem you're ahead of me. I am still stuck in the mud when it comes to the magic numbers in his book.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
October 9th, 2014 at 12:51:53 PM
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I would say that if you have to ask what a magic number is, then it is of no importance to you.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
February 15th, 2015 at 1:49:15 PM
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Grosjean says Ken Uston is the one that ruined AC.
http://beyondnumbers.lvablog.com/2015/02/09/ken-uston-ruined-atlantic-city-discuss/#more-384
http://beyondnumbers.lvablog.com/2015/02/09/ken-uston-ruined-atlantic-city-discuss/#more-384
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 15th, 2015 at 2:00:49 PM
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February 15th, 2015 at 2:09:45 PM
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Quote: EvenBobGrosjean says Ken Uston is the one that ruined AC.
http://beyondnumbers.lvablog.com/2015/02/09/ken-uston-ruined-atlantic-city-discuss/#more-384
Did you even read the article? That is the opposite of what he says.
February 15th, 2015 at 2:13:47 PM
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Quote: sodawaterDid you even read the article? That is the opposite of what he says.
seems that way to me too
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
February 15th, 2015 at 2:15:49 PM
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Quote: sodawaterDid you even read the article? That is the opposite of what he says.
I read it after I posted. There's a couple good
articles I missed.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 28th, 2015 at 8:36:49 PM
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Grosjean has posted nothing since Feb, what could
this mean. I wonder if he gave up on it.
Grosjean in disguise:
this mean. I wonder if he gave up on it.
Grosjean in disguise:
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
July 28th, 2015 at 8:46:24 PM
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Possibly out crushing some new game for the past 6 months.
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August 21st, 2015 at 9:14:19 AM
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New post after 6 months. It discusses showing ID when requested by security.
http://beyondnumbers.lvablog.com/2015/08/20/how-we-do-it-handling-a-random-id-request/
http://beyondnumbers.lvablog.com/2015/08/20/how-we-do-it-handling-a-random-id-request/
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August 21st, 2015 at 10:42:24 AM
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Kind of a lame article and mostly old news.
If you are part of a team, you already know all that stuff.
If you are just a regular player, you don't have to worry about it.
ZCore13
If you are part of a team, you already know all that stuff.
If you are just a regular player, you don't have to worry about it.
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
August 21st, 2015 at 12:09:46 PM
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In the comments it says James has been 'recovering'.
From what?
From what?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 21st, 2015 at 12:44:21 PM
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Quote: Zcore13Kind of a lame article and mostly old news.
Some good stuff though - OK, maybe you had seen it before...
Quote:That night involved being chased, ditching my clothes in a casino bathroom stall, and walking up to a motel desk trying to hide the fact that my face was bleeding
Quote: EvenBobIn the comments it says James has been 'recovering'.
From what?
and this too
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
August 21st, 2015 at 12:44:49 PM
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What's going to happen if you refuse ID even when the the police show up?
How long could they hold you?
Perhaps I am one of the crazy people who have nothing better to do (being retired) have no police record. I can wait them out for the next 30 days in jail. Don't need to do anything.
What are they gonna do?
How long could they hold you?
Perhaps I am one of the crazy people who have nothing better to do (being retired) have no police record. I can wait them out for the next 30 days in jail. Don't need to do anything.
What are they gonna do?
Sanitized for Your Protection
August 21st, 2015 at 1:24:51 PM
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Quote: rxwineWhat's going to happen if you refuse ID even when the the police show up?
How long could they hold you?
Perhaps I am one of the crazy people who have nothing better to do (being retired) have no police record. I can wait them out for the next 30 days in jail. Don't need to do anything.
What are they gonna do?
You just have to ask the police if they suspect that you either have committed a crime or are about to. If the answer is no, you don't have to show ID to them either.(May not apply to Tribal Casinos)
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
August 21st, 2015 at 6:26:48 PM
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You can say anything you want and know all your rights. That won't help you when you're in jail or injured do to knowing your rights.
People think they will get a big payday if their rights are violated. They think they can just call Bob N. Good luck with that. He charges a retainer fee of 2500 to 3k no matter what happens. Nowadays he doesn't even want to mess with your petty cases. You better have a huge case with a high probability to win. Show ID and leave. Find a new location if they are on to you. Why make evrything worst. If you completely comply to evrything and you still get your ass beat. Then I suggest you take the next step.
People think they will get a big payday if their rights are violated. They think they can just call Bob N. Good luck with that. He charges a retainer fee of 2500 to 3k no matter what happens. Nowadays he doesn't even want to mess with your petty cases. You better have a huge case with a high probability to win. Show ID and leave. Find a new location if they are on to you. Why make evrything worst. If you completely comply to evrything and you still get your ass beat. Then I suggest you take the next step.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 21st, 2015 at 6:41:25 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfYou can say anything you want and know all your rights. That won't help you when you're in jail or injured do to knowing your rights.
People think they will get a big payday if their rights are violated. They think they can just call Bob N. Good luck with that. He charges a retainer fee of 2500 to 3k no matter what happens. Nowadays he doesn't even want to mess with your petty cases. You better have a huge case with a high probability to win. Show ID and leave. Find a new location if they are on to you. Why make evrything worst. If you completely comply to evrything and you still get your ass beat. Then I suggest you take the next step.
First of all, Bob N is the attorney that kind of spearheaded the Advantage Player rights lawsuits. Trust me, he is not the only one doing it now or capable of doing it. He doesn't have any magic powers.
You do not have to comply with anything that violates your rights. People win lawsuits every day based on rights violations by police and private companies. That does not mean you fight with the police. That will then give them reason to beat your ass. But if you willfully give up your rights and others do the same, you will eventually lose that right and then it's on to the next one to be violated.
ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
March 9th, 2016 at 10:07:40 AM
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An excellent article discussing how casinos handle problem gamblers and then comparing that to how they handle AP's.
http://beyondnumbers.lvablog.com/2016/03/08/the-real-problem-with-problem-gambling/
http://beyondnumbers.lvablog.com/2016/03/08/the-real-problem-with-problem-gambling/
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March 9th, 2016 at 2:35:24 PM
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"Have you ever booked a weekend to travel to the Majestic Star, in Gary, Indiana (if you’re reading this blog, you probably have!)?"Quote: IbeatyouracesAn excellent article discussing how casinos handle problem gamblers and then comparing that to how they handle AP's.
http://beyondnumbers.lvablog.com/2016/03/08/the-real-problem-with-problem-gambling/
Unfortunately, yes!
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
March 9th, 2016 at 4:16:17 PM
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In addition to Majestic Star, the City of Gary, Indiana has been put on the map because of this huanted house:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2815759/Young-girl-exorcised-evil-demon-visiting-haunted-portal-Hell-house-family-claims.html
According to an AC dealer "Dom", the above stuff is for real. Dom said his house was haunted, so he called Father Michael Maginot for help and spoke to him for 30 minutes. Unfortunately the demons at his house are still there haunting Dom.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2815759/Young-girl-exorcised-evil-demon-visiting-haunted-portal-Hell-house-family-claims.html
According to an AC dealer "Dom", the above stuff is for real. Dom said his house was haunted, so he called Father Michael Maginot for help and spoke to him for 30 minutes. Unfortunately the demons at his house are still there haunting Dom.
I'm OK with Corps which pick and choose clienteles. Both insurance companies and casinos have the right to pick and choose customers. They may keep profitable ones and kicked out the rest. But, I'm not OK with a casino supervisor who says counting cards... is like stealing food from a buffet (a foodlifting offense), or video-taping a movie in a cinema (a piracy offense).
March 9th, 2016 at 11:02:32 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesAn excellent article discussing how casinos handle problem gamblers and then comparing that to how they handle AP's.
http://beyondnumbers.lvablog.com/2016/03/08/the-real-problem-with-problem-gambling/
I have to assume he wasn't being literal when he said every person in a Locals casino at 3a.m. is a degenerate, either that, or he hasn't AP'ed machines. Tons of reasons to be there at that time.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
March 9th, 2016 at 11:19:41 PM
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Grosjean's blog is one of the few I really enjoy reading. Will read Jean Scott's when it gets updated, but (no offense to her or her readers) there usually isn't anything in her entries now a days that I find useful. It's mostly stuff like "play 250 points and get a free sandwich!" or other stuff I don't really care about. Dancer's articles are getting more and more....analytical and technical, as well as sometimes just boring / non-informative. Either it's an article about the fine details of when to hold an Ace only versus AJ/AQ/AK with penalty cards and other stuff....or it's a long story about how Bonnie or Sherry wanted to quit after being up $500.
But James Grosjean's articles....those are always really good. Always goes into a lot of detail, explaining how to do something, the ins & outs, the fine intricacies. Have you read the one about how his teammates secure a seat at a table?
Like others, I found this to be a great article (about problem gambling). At the beginning I was a little worried it'd end up like a typical "casinos are evil" rant...but the thing about allowing problem gamblers to continue gambling and comparing it to flyering of APs as well as not putting any effort into stopping/helping problem gamblers---I think really hit the nail on the head.
But James Grosjean's articles....those are always really good. Always goes into a lot of detail, explaining how to do something, the ins & outs, the fine intricacies. Have you read the one about how his teammates secure a seat at a table?
Like others, I found this to be a great article (about problem gambling). At the beginning I was a little worried it'd end up like a typical "casinos are evil" rant...but the thing about allowing problem gamblers to continue gambling and comparing it to flyering of APs as well as not putting any effort into stopping/helping problem gamblers---I think really hit the nail on the head.
