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at all. Why do you think casinos go to such great lengths
to thwart AP play.
Quote: mdsI have never in my 50+ years, met any person who over their Casino gambling history is ahead. Have you? If you do, please tell their story. Should this even be a poll? Will the no's be at 100%?
I know quite a few people who are in the positive. I am only negative by a few thousand so if I hit a progressive for 5k I would be positive.
You do know that poker rooms exist in casinos. do you not ?
I don't want to quibble but let us just whittle away at the question so as to make it a valid poll.Quote: mdsI have never in my 50+ years, met any person who over their Casino gambling history is ahead.
I suggest we eliminate Sports Book Bettors (which of course eliminates Horse Race Bettors but those would be out anyway).
I also suggest we totally eliminate Poker Players because there is no proof of any claims and its not "casino gambling" its more "gambling in a casino".
I suggest we also totally eliminate the Little Old Blue Haired Ladies who do Bingo on odd hours while enjoying food and drink and a plus or minus one percent edge.
If we eliminate the above categories ... it will be no simply because of the psychological bias. People would not win in a casino unless they were already in the casino and anyone who is a casino is someone who enjoys the activity and is not really well motivated to stop it irrespective of wining or losing. I'm not referring to problem gamblers but to ordinary people who are having fun. Why should they leave the music, the free booze, the festive atmosphere when they are ahead? And certainly they won't leave it when they are behind.
Benny Binion was in the plus column but he owned the joint. Most other casino owners didn't gamble. He did.
As to players... Where are the Customer's Yachts?
Keep the $$$$ rollin in JIC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jI2m1cbATU
Quote: aceofspadesI know me
That's deep. Are you sure it's truly possible?
Quote: aceofspadesI know me
So you're going to Vegas up for the year? I'm
very glad to hear that, Ace. Very glad indeed..
Quote: rdw4potusThat's deep. Are you sure it's truly possible?
Through speed xount all things are possible
Quote: EvenBobSo you're going to Vegas up for the year? I'm
very glad to hear that, Ace. Very glad indeed..
Yes indeed Bob yes indeed
Evenbob, can you please elaborate on how you absolutely know all those gamblers are ahead? Is it just a feeling or have you been with all of them 24/7?
Quote: aceofspadesYes indeed Bob yes indeed
Delightful news, Ace. I thought you were down.
This makes the Vegas trip even better, if you get
my meaning..
Quote: EvenBobDelightful news, Ace. I thought you were down.
This makes the Vegas trip even better, if you get
my meaning..
Bob you are practically chomping at the bit
last weekend who just couldn't lose. I waited and
waited and got nothing. Sad..
Just to clarify: Where Are The Customer's Yachts is what a yokel said when the area for Stockbroker's Yachts was pointed out to him and the area for Underwriter Brokers was pointed out to him. He pointed out the obvious..... these two types of brokers were getting rich but their clients were not.Quote: 98ClubsI don't think Yachts are appropriate for AP's, but a new Benz and a paid-off mortgage, rental properties, and vacation homes are.
Keep the $$$$ rollin in JIC.
Quote: FleaStiffI suggest we also totally eliminate the Little Old Blue Haired Ladies who do Bingo on odd hours while enjoying food and drink and a plus or minus one percent edge.
Yes, I'm aware that the Wizard has found the occasional Bingo game which offers positive expectation opportunities for the player, but those are the exceptions, not the norm. And as for the handful of Little Old Blue Haired Ladies who do manage to make a consistent Bingo profit, half of them blow their Bingo winnings on slot machines. Sure, casinos sometimes offer +EV Bingo as a loss-leader for the foot traffic, but by definition foot traffic = slot revenue.
Quote: mdsI have never in my 50+ years, met any person who over their Casino gambling history is ahead. Have you? If you do, please tell their story. Should this even be a poll? Will the no's be at 100%? LIFETIME AHEAD!
I'm ahead lifetime, and I'm not an AP either. I just got lucky -- really, really lucky -- on a dice table once. My lifetime losses since then haven't pushed me into the red yet.
Most million-dollar slot jackpot winners are also ahead lifetime. It takes a long, long time to lose over $1M in a casino betting $1 at a time. Of course, I don't know anyone who's actually won a 7- or 8-figure jackpot, but they're out there.
Quote: mdsI have never in my 50+ years, met any person who over their Casino gambling history is ahead. Have you? If you do, please tell their story. Should this even be a poll? Will the no's be at 100%? LIFETIME AHEAD!
You are correct....this should not even be a poll. As for Mr Wynn, he just isn't telling you he truth. If he REALLY beleived what he said, why do his casinos routinely bar players?
Smart math people, can do all the math and calculations they want, if you're not creative or have an enormous bank roll, Failure is almost certain. I'm not going to talk about bankroll management crap. I don't sit around and calculate ROR and have a specific bankroll just for gambling. If I start to run bad I will just play safer and lower denominations. I know from experience what I'm getting into and what the risk vs the reward is. I never risk any amount that will put me in financial danger. I probably play under my head. If an Opportunity comes along, that I feel could put me in financial jeopardy, I will get partners or make low risk deals.
There are AP's around who have not had a REAL JOB for over 20 years and started with almost nothing. Ask yourself where do they get their money?
People have Tax returns to prove they have been winning for years. Why would anyone pay taxes for 20 years if they were losing. Not to mention, they probably are not reporting a lot of income.
There are advantage plays that are virtual locks that only an idiot could lose on.
I have played things with a 500% EV on Video poker. With plenty of witnesses. I fairly certain you could have played blind and won.
I have many examples of plays, I have played, where it would be almost impossible to lose.
Me and a few people from this forum played one not to long ago. YOU COULD NOT LOSE unless the casino no payed you. And no it was not a loss Rebate, However that's a good example of a promotion It would be hard to lose at.
Quote: MathExtremistI'm ahead lifetime, and I'm not an AP either. I just got lucky -- really, really lucky -- on a dice table once. My lifetime losses since then haven't pushed me into the red yet.
Most million-dollar slot jackpot winners are also ahead lifetime. It takes a long, long time to lose over $1M in a casino betting $1 at a time. Of course, I don't know anyone who's actually won a 7- or 8-figure jackpot, but they're out there.
Is that story posted somewhere? If not I'm sure we would all like to here it.
But it often 'feels' like I'm losing. Can't explain it- my bankroll increases (sometimes substantially) but it usually fells like I got my ass kicked. Anybody else feel the same?
Maybe the losing streaks hurt more than the winning streaks feel good?
Quote: KeyserSoze
But it often 'feels' like I'm losing. Can't explain it- my bankroll increases (sometimes substantially) but it usually fells like I got my ass kicked. Anybody else feel the same?
YES. All the time. Lol. During down times, I constantly have to remind myself to look at the big picture. My signature is not just a cute little thought that I had. It is something that I really do. If you measure your resluts by EV, it helps you to see that you are progressing even during the losing periods.
This year is probably my most dramatic example of not feeling like you are doing well, when you really are. Barring a major collapse in the next two weeks, I will finish with my best year as far as blackjack results (second best total AP) of my 10 year career. But my entire year's win occurred in one five week period in April/may. For the entire rest if the year I am just about even, just slightly in the red. Since I play 5-6 days a week, that is a lot if play, where I just haven't gone anywhere. A real stuck in the mud feeling. It just doesn't feel like my best year. I have to keep reminding myself.
Quote: petroglyphIs that story posted somewhere? If not I'm sure we would all like to here it.
Harrah's Lake Tahoe, well over a decade ago. I decided beforehand that when I shot I would use a line bet press according to the Fibonacci sequence, starting with $25, and no odds. I rolled 12 passes in a row:
$25, win.
$25, win.
$50, win.
$75, win. There was a streak of 4 or 5 comeout winners in here somewhere, but I can't remember where.
$125, win.
$200, win. Here I switched to black chips.
$300, win.
$500, win. At this point I had an audience. Someone tried to tell me I should back up my line bet with odds because "that's a better bet", and someone else told him to shut up. I wasn't going to reach into my pocket and put $1000 behind the line. I didn't have it anyway -- I started with a green chip, remember?
$800, win.
$1000, win. Here I chickened out and just flat bet $1000 the rest of the time. 10 black chips on the line, at a $5 table no less. By far and away the largest single bet(s) I have ever made.
$1000, win.
$1000, win.
$1000, 7-out. Applause.
"Color!"
I've had a few other good runs since then that cracked the $1000 mark, but nothing close to that one. Still, I know for a fact my lifetime losses haven't come close to that total. I've been in Reno or Vegas probably half a dozen times this year and managed to eke out a small win in all but one trip.
I realized after the fact that, had I continued the Fibonacci sequence instead of capping my bets at $1000, I would have hit the table max of $5000 on my last bet and only ended up $200 worse than I did. I've never made a table-max wager.
Quote: MathExtremistHarrah's Lake Tahoe, well over a decade ago. I decided beforehand that when I shot I would use a line bet press according to the Fibonacci sequence, starting with $25, and no odds. I rolled 12 passes in a row:
$25, win.
$25, win.
$50, win.
$75, win. There was a streak of 4 or 5 comeout winners in here somewhere, but I can't remember where.
$125, win.
$200, win. Here I switched to black chips.
$300, win.
$500, win. At this point I had an audience. Someone tried to tell me I should back up my line bet with odds because "that's a better bet", and someone else told him to shut up. I wasn't going to reach into my pocket and put $1000 behind the line. I didn't have it anyway -- I started with a green chip, remember?
$800, win.
$1000, win. Here I chickened out and just flat bet $1000 the rest of the time. 10 black chips on the line, at a $5 table no less. By far and away the largest single bet(s) I have ever made.
$1000, win.
$1000, win.
$1000, 7-out. Applause.
"Color!"
I've had a few other good runs since then that cracked the $1000 mark, but nothing close to that one. Still, I know for a fact my lifetime losses haven't come close to that total. I've been in Reno or Vegas probably half a dozen times this year and managed to eke out a small win in all but one trip.
I realized after the fact that, had I continued the Fibonacci sequence instead of capping my bets at $1000, I would have hit the table max of $5000 on my last bet and only ended up $200 worse than I did. I've never made a table-max wager.
Wow! Thanks for sharing ME.
I don't know about you but the adrenalin rush if it were me would be much better than any drug and equal to some of the best sex I've had but I like the juice of a good run.
The biggest win I've ever had was 625.00, miniscule by comparison, but definitely got my adrenalin flowing. That's still a decent run on red chips.
Quote: mdsI have never in my 50+ years, met any person who over their Casino gambling history is ahead. Have you? If you do, please tell their story. Should this even be a poll? Will the no's be at 100%? LIFETIME AHEAD!
I have met several. I have met many more with selective memory who think they are. The ones who "think" they are ahead never miss an opportunity to talk (brag) about their gambling prowess while the ones who are truly ahead tend to keep it to themselves. Those who do the most talking usually trip themselves up in short order. Folks, if you lose $300 at a slot machine and then win $100 on the way out the door, you are down $200 not up $100.
Stories? A few but if a movie were to be made of my life, without major enhancements, it would put most people to sleep. I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing.
Quote: kewljYou are correct....this should not even be a poll. As for Mr Wynn, he just isn't telling you he truth. If he REALLY beleived what he said, why do his casinos routinely bar players?
Here's a Brainy Quote from none other than Steve Wynn. "Keep it simple. Tell the truth. People can smell the truth."
Love him or hate him, this guy is the height of arrogance. To tell a cheap lie on a 60 Minutes fluff piece where the interviewer is a good friend of his says something about his credibility. That's my opinion.
If he was going to say anything, it should have been that people were winning in his casinos. The masses, who don't need much convincing anyway, would fall for it and step over each other at the drop of a hat to get their share.
Quote: 1BBHere's a Brainy Quote from none other than Steve Wynn. "Keep it simple. Tell the truth. People can smell the truth."
Love him or hate him, this guy is the height of arrogance. To tell a cheap lie on a 60 Minutes fluff piece where the interviewer is a good friend of his says something about his credibility. That's my opinion.
If he was going to say anything, it should have been that people were winning in his casinos. The masses, who don't need much convincing anyway, would fall for it and step over each other at the drop of a hat to get their share.
Was there a recent incident of Wynn being a dumbass? I must have missed it.
Quote: AcesAndEightsWas there a recent incident of Wynn being a dumbass? I must have missed it.
There's a link on page one of this thread to a 60 Minutes piece where he said he's never known a gambler who won and walked away.
That's a good thing, people who feel the opposite usually have a gambling problem.Quote: KeyserSoze
Maybe the losing streaks hurt more than the winning streaks feel good?
ME, I think you've cracked the game! When is your "Math Extremist's Super Fibonacci System" book coming out?Quote: MathExtremistHarrah's Lake Tahoe, well over a decade ago. I decided beforehand that when I shot I would use a line bet press according to the Fibonacci sequence, starting with $25, and no odds. I rolled 12 passes in a row:
$25, win.
$25, win.
$50, win.
$75, win. There was a streak of 4 or 5 comeout winners in here somewhere, but I can't remember where.
$125, win.
$200, win. Here I switched to black chips.
$300, win.
$500, win. At this point I had an audience. Someone tried to tell me I should back up my line bet with odds because "that's a better bet", and someone else told him to shut up. I wasn't going to reach into my pocket and put $1000 behind the line. I didn't have it anyway -- I started with a green chip, remember?
$800, win.
$1000, win. Here I chickened out and just flat bet $1000 the rest of the time. 10 black chips on the line, at a $5 table no less. By far and away the largest single bet(s) I have ever made.
$1000, win.
$1000, win.
$1000, 7-out. Applause.
"Color!"
I'm about break even. I've had bad variance at craps; good variance at video poker. I hope to hit at least one more W-2G before the year is out. . .
ME, I think you've cracked the game! When is your "Math Extremist's Super Fibonacci System" book coming out?Quote: MathExtremistHarrah's Lake Tahoe, well over a decade ago. I decided beforehand that when I shot I would use a line bet press according to the Fibonacci sequence, starting with $25, and no odds. I rolled 12 passes in a row:
$25, win.
$25, win.
$50, win.
$75, win. There was a streak of 4 or 5 comeout winners in here somewhere, but I can't remember where.
$125, win.
$200, win. Here I switched to black chips.
$300, win.
$500, win. At this point I had an audience. Someone tried to tell me I should back up my line bet with odds because "that's a better bet", and someone else told him to shut up. I wasn't going to reach into my pocket and put $1000 behind the line. I didn't have it anyway -- I started with a green chip, remember?
$800, win.
$1000, win. Here I chickened out and just flat bet $1000 the rest of the time. 10 black chips on the line, at a $5 table no less. By far and away the largest single bet(s) I have ever made.
$1000, win.
$1000, win.
$1000, 7-out. Applause.
"Color!"
I'm not arrogant enough to say I'm ahead lifetime. I'm about break even. I've had bad variance at craps; good variance at video poker. I hope to hit at least one more W-2G before the year is out. . .
