Thread Split: Conversation with Tomspur

Quote: speedycrap

I found money/chips at the casino all the time. Slot quarters/small vouchers. A lot of big shots players dont cash in 25C voucher.As long as it is small amount, no one will care.

I suspect you are right about the small amounts. however there is a difference if you find a chip on the floor, or cash for that matter.

These things don't just materialize out of thin air. They were either dropped there by another guest or perhaps fallen out of a cocktail waitresses tray or perhaps fallen out of a dealers chip rack.

I watched a player claim he dropped a $100 bill on the floor on a craps game and he saw an employee pick up the bill. When we reviewed we saw the employee pick up the bill and head to her station. At the time of picking up the bill she was about 20 feet away from the Security podium. She decided to keep the money on her until her next break before hadning it in (or so she said). She was fired on the spot for not handing the money in straight away.

Casinos have rules, some MICS and others imposed by the state. It is tough controlling every aspect of your business. Sometimes you rely on the actions of your guests to do the honorable thing....other times the guests get away with it.

Like I said, this is a very tough subject to understand and take action on.

Quote: Tomspur

She decided to keep the money on her until her next break before hadning it in (or so she said). She was fired on the spot for not handing the money in straight away.

For every employee you catch, there are a hundred that
get away with it, probably. Casino rules are fascinating,
I like reading about what dealers got away with in the 40's
and 50's. When Bugsy opened the Flamingo in 1947, he
got all Downtown dealers and they robbed him blind. So
badly was he robbed, that even though the casino was
crowded every day the first week, they made no profit.
Downtown resented the hell out of the Strip and wanted
it shut down.

Quote: EvenBob

For every employee you catch, there are a hundred that
get away with it, probably. Casino rules are fascinating,
I like reading about what dealers got away with in the 40's
and 50's. When Bugsy opened the Flamingo in 1947, he
got all Downtown dealers and they robbed him blind. So
badly was he robbed, that even though the casino was
crowded every day the first week, they made no profit.
Downtown resented the hell out of the Strip and wanted
it shut down.

Spot on. The amount of employee fraud far outweigh the amount of customer theft or similar crimes. Makes you have newfound respect for the body of work each Surveillance agent has to get through on a daily basis.

I have a good friend who was around in the mob run casinos. The stories he has told me have been absolutely fascinating. The stories you hear about and se on movies reinacted, multiply that by 100 and you get somewhere close tow hat really happened.
By all accounts Vegas was a mans town back then and as long as you keep your nose clean you would never get 86'ed. I'm sure you guys have heard that term before?? Know where it came from?

8 miles out.......

6 feet under...... :)

Quote: EvenBob

For every employee you catch, there are a hundred that
get away with it, probably. Casino rules are fascinating,
I like reading about what dealers got away with in the 40's
and 50's. When Bugsy opened the Flamingo in 1947, he
got all Downtown dealers and they robbed him blind. So
badly was he robbed, that even though the casino was
crowded every day the first week, they made no profit.
Downtown resented the hell out of the Strip and wanted
it shut down.

Dearlers did not rob him. HE robbed himself.

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Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Don't be so certain...

http://www.gamblingandthelaw.com/index.php/columns/59-115slottraynickel

Edit: undercover security there at Motorcity still follow and harass slot players.

I know this next comment has no place on this thread but here goes anyway......

The jury system is the silliest thing I have ever come across in my life. Why should a jury of your "peers" (read people who, on many occasions don't have a clue about the law) be allowed to apply the law?

I would much rather trust a judge than 12 people who simply have to agree?

Just my opinion of course. I come from a country where a full bank of judges make the hard decisions, not a jury of your peers.

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Quote: Tomspur

I know this next comment has no place on this thread but here goes anyway......

The jury system is the silliest thing I have ever come across in my life. Why should a jury of your "peers" (read people who, on many occasions don't have a clue about the law) be allowed to apply the law?

I would much rather trust a judge than 12 people who simply have to agree?

Just my opinion of course. I come from a country where a full bank of judges make the hard decisions, not a jury of your peers.

Actually the jury decides your guilt or innocence. After which a judge decides how much ass kicking (law applying) you need.

Quote: rainman

Actually the jury decides your guilt or innocence. After which a judge decides how much ass kicking you need.

I completely understand hence my extreme apprehention. I wouldn't want a jury to decide my guilt, I should have mentioned that above :)

Quote: Tomspur

I know this next comment has no place on this thread but here goes anyway......

The jury system is the silliest thing I have ever come across in my life. Why should a jury of your "peers" (read people who, on many occasions don't have a clue about the law) be allowed to apply the law?

I would much rather trust a judge than 12 people who simply have to agree?

Just my opinion of course. I come from a country where a full bank of judges make the hard decisions, not a jury of your peers.

There is no PERFECT system. Just like no perfect life. And it is the im-perfectness to make life interesting.
Say you play BJ and you are SURE you are going to win every hand. That will make the game completely no purpose. Right!!!???
Life is an adventure just like gambling.