Age restrictions
April 11th, 2010 at 10:21:07 AM
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Last night I accidentally left my driver's license in my hotel room. But I played craps and blackjack at both a Harrah's property and a MGM Mirage property. Then at a small independent locals casino, I was asked to walk away from a craps table because I could not prove I was 21. But the truth is that I am 35, and I'll be 36 in a few weeks.
Did I have any legal rights in this situation? Or was my only option to return to Harrah's or MGM where they don't harrass 35 year old craps players?
Did I have any legal rights in this situation? Or was my only option to return to Harrah's or MGM where they don't harrass 35 year old craps players?
April 11th, 2010 at 10:35:30 AM
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No, you don't have any legal rights in this situation. They have the right to ask you for ID if they think you look young. If you can't produce it, they have the right to ask you to leave. Otherwise, they could lose their gaming license or be fined. Maybe they were being hit hard by gaming enforcement recently.
The only thing I can think of where you would have some cause of action is if they were extremely rude to you and outrageously embarrassed you in front of the other patrons. Otherwise, yeah, completely within their rights. I would take it as a compliment :-)
The only thing I can think of where you would have some cause of action is if they were extremely rude to you and outrageously embarrassed you in front of the other patrons. Otherwise, yeah, completely within their rights. I would take it as a compliment :-)
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April 11th, 2010 at 12:00:13 PM
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I agree with teddys's post above. Don't feel insulted about being asked at the age of 35. A few months ago I was carded at a bar in Scottsdale, and I'm 44!
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
April 11th, 2010 at 12:54:44 PM
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It is common for places to set a very old age at which they ask for identification. Thirty, thirty five and forty are increasingly common. It protects them legally.
The most extreme case I have ever seen was a place that simply asked everyone for ID. A man who was over 60 had his beers taken away because he didn't bring his ID. He was kind of ticked off.
The most extreme case I have ever seen was a place that simply asked everyone for ID. A man who was over 60 had his beers taken away because he didn't bring his ID. He was kind of ticked off.
April 11th, 2010 at 2:13:26 PM
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Just to add my two cents. I am 22 and have the ability to grow an amazing beard, when it get to be around hald an inch long I can get out of being id'd along the strip.this compares me to non-bearded me who has a "baby face". Thus, facial hair or even a little scruff can go a long way.
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April 11th, 2010 at 2:28:16 PM
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Bureaucrats live by procedure. If the book says to check ID, they'll check ID even if the subject is three seconds away from expiring due to old age.
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April 11th, 2010 at 3:12:41 PM
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There are some airport bars that card literally everybody. No exceptions, not even if you look 100. So I don't count them in my examples of being carded, but I'm pretty sure the bar in Scottsdale voluntarily careded me.
Before I was 21 I had a cheap fake ID, that worked suprisingly well in grocery stores. I noticed it helped a lot to not get carded in the first place if you dressed well and just acted mature.
Before I was 21 I had a cheap fake ID, that worked suprisingly well in grocery stores. I noticed it helped a lot to not get carded in the first place if you dressed well and just acted mature.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
April 11th, 2010 at 4:14:08 PM
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I got carded at a BJ table about 20 years ago. I was around 30 at the time.
Security came over, waited until I was done acting on my hand, then asked to see the ID. I was handled very professionally, and courteously.
Security came over, waited until I was done acting on my hand, then asked to see the ID. I was handled very professionally, and courteously.
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April 11th, 2010 at 6:16:22 PM
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Quote: pacomartin... a place that simply asked everyone for ID...
you can be sure that place just got in a heap of trouble for serving underage
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
April 11th, 2010 at 8:58:20 PM
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Quote: teddysThey have the right to ask you for ID if they think you look young. If you can't produce it, they have the right to ask you to leave. Otherwise, they could lose their gaming license or be fined. Maybe they were being hit hard by gaming enforcement recently.
Just thought I'd throw in a story relating to this. I'm 28 and still look about 18. A few years ago, I was gambling at a casino in St. Louis. A man wearing a suit came up to me, showed me his Missouri Gaming Commission badge, and asked for my ID. He studied it for quite a while to make sure it wasn't fake. He also made sure to ask me if I had been carded when I entered the casino; I assume that he was checking to see if they were following the law. Had I been as young as I look, this casino would have been in a lot of trouble for having me in there.
April 11th, 2010 at 9:05:33 PM
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I turned 21 in 1986. At that time I got carded in California bars all the time, and never carded in Vegas. However, Vegas has since cracked down. When I was out doing the casino pictures the models Lisa and Nikkia got carded often.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
April 11th, 2010 at 9:56:30 PM
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Quote: WizardI turned 21 in 1986. At that time I got carded in California bars all the time, and never carded in Vegas. However, Vegas has since cracked down. When I was out doing the casino pictures the models Lisa and Nikkia got carded often.
Lisa's web site lists her age as 93 -- and she still gets carded!! (And she looks damn good for 93!)
May 22nd, 2010 at 8:33:38 PM
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I was 21 a few years ago and i got carded about 25% of the time when sitting down at a table. I'm still <=25. I get carded about 10-15% of the time.
This is for gambling. For liquor it's a bit higher. Maybe 50% when I was 21 and 30-40% of the time now. It all depends on the setting and how you act. At dice tables it is pretty rare.
This is for gambling. For liquor it's a bit higher. Maybe 50% when I was 21 and 30-40% of the time now. It all depends on the setting and how you act. At dice tables it is pretty rare.
May 22nd, 2010 at 8:54:29 PM
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Quote: seattlediceLisa's web site lists her age as 93 -- and she still gets carded!! (And she looks damn good for 93!)
I asked her about that. She said models are very sensitive about their age, so she put 93 as a joke, as if to say "don't ask."
In another post I think I mentioned this, but I was carded at a bar in Scottsdale a few months ago, at the age of 44!
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
May 23rd, 2010 at 1:13:14 AM
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im 26 and young looking. the frequency i happen to get carded is a lot less than id expect. the majority of the time i do happen to get carded these days is when asking for an ice water at the bar.
May 23rd, 2010 at 2:33:41 AM
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Quote: WizardI was carded at a bar in Scottsdale a few months ago, at the age of 44!
I have been carded in my 50s, and as much as I would like to take that as a compliment, it is preposterous to think I look like someone in his 20s. I can usually get them to admit the establishment has recently gotten a warning and is carding everybody.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
May 23rd, 2010 at 7:21:11 AM
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Returning to the original post...
Legally, they can lock up your chips (ALL of them) until you produce ID.
The reality is, you got off easy.Quote: renoLast night I accidentally left my driver's license in my hotel room. But I played craps and blackjack at both a Harrah's property and a MGM Mirage property. Then at a small independent locals casino, I was asked to walk away from a craps table because I could not prove I was 21. But the truth is that I am 35, and I'll be 36 in a few weeks.
Did I have any legal rights in this situation? Or was my only option to return to Harrah's or MGM where they don't harrass 35 year old craps players?
Legally, they can lock up your chips (ALL of them) until you produce ID.
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
May 23rd, 2010 at 9:57:16 AM
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I found that if you acted like you knew what you were doing in a casino, you would never get carded. If you walked up to a craps table and threw down a couple of thousand and started placing bets like you owned the place and have done this a thousand times before, the crew wouldn't ask for your ID. However, if you tiptoe up to a table, pull out a $20 and stand there looking lost and confused, they would be more likely to verify your age.
May 23rd, 2010 at 1:00:28 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearI got carded at a BJ table about 20 years ago. I was around 30 at the time.
Security came over, waited until I was done acting on my hand, then asked to see the ID. I was handled very professionally, and courteously.
I could be wrong.
But I suppose the real reason they checked your ID was not because you looked young,
probably they suspected you were someone on their blacklist.
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June 1st, 2010 at 10:07:48 PM
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The higher end properties tend to card more often in my experience. Even when i was 21, i looked several years older and still do. The tropicana in AC never carded me, but the borgata asked what seemed like every time i got up from or sat down at a table. In vegas, downtown i did not get carded at all, while the big boys on the strip asked me for ID if i wanted to play a table game. Maybe i look like someone suspicious. ha.
June 2nd, 2010 at 5:24:22 AM
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I recently heard two stories regarding an underage player at a poker table when the Bad Beat jackpot hit.
ID is rarely checked - but ALWAYS checks when paying the Bad Beat.
The first was in A.C. I don't know any details, even which casino, other than the casino refused to pay ANYONE the Bad Beat. So, obviously, that casino thinks its up to the players to police things.
When I was at Mohegan Sun this past weekend, I heard, multiple times (which leads me to believe this incedent was very recent), that a kid at Foxwoods had been winning, and had the bad beat hand. The kid lost all his chips, and was barred for life. And that kinda confirms what I had said earlier:
Personally, I would have thought that the right thing to do would be to pay everyone then add the kid's share to the re-seed amount.
ID is rarely checked - but ALWAYS checks when paying the Bad Beat.
The first was in A.C. I don't know any details, even which casino, other than the casino refused to pay ANYONE the Bad Beat. So, obviously, that casino thinks its up to the players to police things.
When I was at Mohegan Sun this past weekend, I heard, multiple times (which leads me to believe this incedent was very recent), that a kid at Foxwoods had been winning, and had the bad beat hand. The kid lost all his chips, and was barred for life. And that kinda confirms what I had said earlier:
But the nice thing was, not only did the other players get thier expected share of the bad beat, the kids share was also equally divided.Quote: DJTeddyBearLegally, they can lock up your chips (ALL of them) until you produce ID.
Personally, I would have thought that the right thing to do would be to pay everyone then add the kid's share to the re-seed amount.
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
