Total Rewards Revamping

Quote: AlanMendelson

The ONLY thing that is uniform is how tier points are compiled for slots and video poker.

I knew it was going to be confusing, I knew, I knew it, I knew it.... LOL

Are you absolutely certain that Rincon breaks from the 1RC=1TC formula for slots and video poker? They've definitely treated my table games play differently than the others, but I've never noticed any difference at all based on machine play.

Heh; fair enough. I think it'd be better to say that the RCs at Rincon are calculated and valued differently, than to say that they don't have them though...

Most of my CET action is at Rincon though; happen to know enough about the differences between them and Strip to give specific details?

Quote: Maverick17

I don't really pay attention to comps, but as coincidence would have it, I did check my TR the day before I gambled this past weekend.

It's a new year, and like I said I never payed attention to a score, but since my Tier and RC were different, I looked to the FAQ's to see what the difference between the two are.

My understanding (and please let me know if I am wrong) is that Tier credits are added up throughout the year at a rate of 1-to1 for every Reward Credit earned. (bonus RC's not withstanding). And the reason Tier and RC's can be different is when you spend RC's on comps or the start of a new year. Am I right?

Anyway before last weekend my Tier credits were 350. After this weekend they are 450. I played BJ at Horseshoe Cleveland at a $50 table, betting mostly the minimum with probably 20-25% of my bets more than $50, I varied from $100 to a couple bets over $400, but mostly $50. The tables are always packed, and the $50 BJ tables are in the same pit as bac, and the bac tables get TONS of pit attention, so I doubt any of my bigger bets were rated, except maybe when I won a couple of the big bets and the dealer needed the pits permission to release the chips.

I played from a couple minutes after 7pm to a little after 1am. Didn't miss a shoe, much less a hand in roughly 6 hours.

How in the world does a BJ player ever get to Diamond or 7 star status? I see a decent amount of donkeys with diamond cards and a couple of 7 stars who just play BJ awful, they must lose $40k a year to get to Diamond, or am I missing something?

So they gave you 100 tier credits for 6 hours of play, at minimum $50 / hand BJ. That is way low!
They either rated you at $25 / hand for some reason, or more likely, they lost track of you and your card, and clocked you out after 30 minutes or an hour at most.
6 hours at $50/hand BJ should get you 600 or so tier points I would think. If you are counting, and they mark you off as an expert player, your tier credit may be lower than that. And there is the bonus tier credits that you should have received too, which is another 125 points.

The only way you can tell is to engage with the Pit next time. After a couple of hours, ask what they have you down for as average bet. An hour later, ask them what time they had you starting, and how long have you gotten credit for. An hour later, ask them if they gave you credit for the 10 or so bets you made at the higher levels. The point is, make them know that you are there, and that you are paying attention.

Quote: RaleighCraps

So they gave you 100 tier credits for 6 hours of play, at minimum $50 / hand BJ. That is way low!.

That is AWFUL. My mother gets about 40 TC for 3 hours of 5/10$ BJ. I got about 60 for an hour of 5$/maxDP craps once. (It's usually about a third of that.) But this is Rincon, and they evidently work differently.

In lieu of speak about this particular rewards programs, I'm curious as to how many members play at Harrah's/Harvey's in South Lake Tahoe, and how "good"(accurate) the pit is at rating table players. Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

The rating I received after 3 trips to Tunica is a major reason why I have not been back to Tunica in 2 years now. Each trip the rating I received for my craps sessions was much lower than ratings I had received in Vegas, for the same amount of betting and play. After the 3rd time, I decided it just wasn't worth going there any more.
I feel I get a much fairer rating playing in Biloxi.

And in Biloxi, I now have M-Life (Beau Rivage), Boyd (IP Casino), and Total Rewards (Grand). The three major food groups.

There has never been any consistancy on table ratings at any of their properties. I have played BJ in AC, NO, Tahoe, Vegas, Laughlin and Chester and feel it has never been consistant. If you are changing bet levels frequently, you are the whim of the Pit Boss seeing you at a higher bet. Even over a 2+ hour session, I see them entering a number once or twice.

Quote: Boz

There has never been any consistancy on table ratings at any of their properties. I have played BJ in AC, NO, Tahoe, Vegas, Laughlin and Chester and feel it has never been consistant. If you are changing bet levels frequently, you are the whim of the Pit Boss seeing you at a higher bet. Even over a 2+ hour session, I see them entering a number once or twice.

Hint: Get a host. And yes, the Pit Boss is a factor. Learn some Social Engineering skills.

Quote: megapixels

Where else on earth would this work?

As annoying as casino caste systems are, I'm even more offended that several U.S. airports offer separate security lines for people willing to pay an extra $180 for a shorter line. As bribery goes, I suppose $180 is relatively cheap.

As for the casinos, occasionally the caste system backfires. I'm a Bronze member at Peppermill Reno, but if you don't look too closely my lowly Bronze card looks just like a fancy Gold card. On one occasion a Peppermill employee glanced at my Bronze card and immediately sent me into the Gold line where I was offered a free upgrade to a big suite by a different employee who never examined my card, but simply assumed I was a Gold member because of the other employee's mistake. Maybe Paigowdan would have corrected these careless employees for their lack of attention to detail, but I've never lost any sleep over it. It was a great suite! :)

Quote: reno

As annoying as casino caste systems are, I'm even more offended that several U.S. airports offer separate security lines for people willing to pay an extra $180 for a shorter line. As bribery goes, I suppose $180 is relatively cheap.

For $60 extra, the US State Department offers to process your passport application "faster." And for $12.75 on top of that, the USPS promises to deliver your passport "faster."

Quote: reno

As for the casinos, occasionally the caste system backfires. I'm a Bronze member at Peppermill Reno, but if you don't look too closely my lowly Bronze card looks just like a fancy Gold card. On one occasion a Peppermill employee glanced at my Bronze card and immediately sent me into the Gold line where I was offered a free upgrade to a big suite by a different employee who never examined my card, but simply assumed I was a Gold member because of the other employee's mistake. Maybe Paigowdan would have corrected these careless employees for their lack of attention to detail, but I've never lost any sleep over it. It was a great suite! :)

In ---6 letter town that begins with "T"---, expired Diamond cards still get you into the Diamond Lounge. All they care about is hearing the terminal go "beep," when they swipe your card. As a matter of fact, they don't even look at the name on the card; as long as you convincingly pull it out of your wallet or purse, as though it belongs to you :)

Quote: RaleighCraps

So they gave you 100 tier credits for 6 hours of play, at minimum $50 / hand BJ. That is way low!
They either rated you at $25 / hand for some reason, or more likely, they lost track of you and your card, and clocked you out after 30 minutes or an hour at most.
6 hours at $50/hand BJ should get you 600 or so tier points I would think. If you are counting, and they mark you off as an expert player, your tier credit may be lower than that. And there is the bonus tier credits that you should have received too, which is another 125 points.

The only way you can tell is to engage with the Pit next time. After a couple of hours, ask what they have you down for as average bet. An hour later, ask them what time they had you starting, and how long have you gotten credit for. An hour later, ask them if they gave you credit for the 10 or so bets you made at the higher levels. The point is, make them know that you are there, and that you are paying attention.

Quote: Venthus

That is AWFUL. My mother gets about 40 TC for 3 hours of 5/10$ BJ. I got about 60 for an hour of 5$/maxDP craps once. (It's usually about a third of that.) But this is Rincon, and they evidently work differently.

I would think I agree with that. Like I said I never cared about comps, and really don't care to talk to the pit bosses. They have never NOT come across as fake A-clowns to me, regardless of the person. Even at a casino where a guy is a dealer some nights and a boss the next, I like some of them as dealers, but have yet to talk to a pit boss that didn't make me want to piss in his/her cherios 5 seconds into the conversation.

Never really worried about comps because were I gambled before Horseshoe Cleveland I had (and still have) hosts at Mountaineer and Presque Isle, and when I wanted food, I would just ask them and get it. Now it's worse than pulling teeth, and no free booze, makes me wish Ohio allowed smoking in the casinos, because that is all that place has going for it and I would be more inclined to make the extra drive to the MTR Gaming casinos.