Switching casinos
So, after showing me much love on my long losing sessions, my current casino of choice has informed me that my comps and rooms will be limited as my play has been limited. As such, I am heading back to a CET property where I will finish up reaching my diamond status (likely this weekend) for the year.
I am not going to deviate from my hit and run strategy to merely get "free rooms" at my casino of choice. Cash in pocket is more important than free rooms.
Has anyone else had this type of situation happen to them?
Oh I didn't make a thread about last weekend but, I played about 7 mini sessions (10 minutes per session) ended trip at +3400
Not "show me the free room and the buffet"
As you pointed out.
Just play where the heat is lowest, hit and run is always better than a back off,
If you are making money, don't worry about anything else just keep going.
I will say this again, Pennsylvania has rules that are about .36% better.
Granted that's only $500 this year for you, so play where you like the scenery.
Quote: aceofspades
Has anyone else had this type of situation happen to them?
Don't tell me you're surprised. You play half as
much as you did, they will comp you accordingly.
It has nothing to do with winning and losing.
Quote: WongBoThe quote is "show me the money"
Not "show me the free room and the buffet"
As you pointed out.
Just play where the heat is lowest, hit and run is always better than a back off,
If you are making money, don't worry about anything else just keep going.
I will say this again, Pennsylvania has rules that are about .36% better.
Granted that's only $500 this year for you, so play where you like the scenery.
Wong - from what I know (and please correct me if I am wrong), there are no hotel/casinos in PA - meaning that the casinos are stand alone without any hotel.
Quote: aceofspadesAs most of you know, I have been very loyal to a certain casino in AC the past 6 months. However, as most of you might also know, whenever my session length was over 2 shoes (blackjack), I would consistently lose (and lose big)...I know the math and certain forum members chide me for playing hit and run type blackjack (where I set a win/loss limit) and then return for a shoe later on (could even be minutes later) as it is "all one big shoe" over a lifetime - BUT, this "system" seems to work for me.
So, after showing me much love on my long losing sessions, my current casino of choice has informed me that my comps and rooms will be limited as my play has been limited. As such, I am heading back to a CET property where I will finish up reaching my diamond status (likely this weekend) for the year.
I am not going to deviate from my hit and run strategy to merely get "free rooms" at my casino of choice. Cash in pocket is more important than free rooms.
Has anyone else had this type of situation happen to them?
From some of the posts I've read from you, yes, I'm surprised they did this to you. Unless you've had "limited play" for a long string of months, I am surprised. I sometimes play on the heavier side and sometimes I don't- but I feel they should know, based on my record, and provide comps accordingly. I've never been denied a room, for example, although my offers fluctuate as I'd expect them to based on my action. It sounds like it may sense to find another place for your loyalty.
Quote: aceofspadesWong - from what I know (and please correct me if I am wrong), there are no hotel/casinos in PA - meaning that the casinos are stand alone without any hotel.
Sands has a hotel
The comps are better in AC. I forget that the hotel issue is important as I usually just make day trips from NYC.
Quote: WongBoThe comps are better in AC. I forget that the hotel issue is important as I usually just make day trips from NYC.
Ace has probably been getting comps for a couple
weeks longer than he should have. He hasn't played
long sessions in weeks.
Quote: EvenBobAce has probably been getting comps for a couple
weeks longer than he should have. He hasn't played
long sessions in weeks.
Very true - but, I am seeing the light with short sessions.
Quote: aceofspadesVery true - but, I am seeing the light with short sessions.
And the casino saw the light about you and
those short sessions. Comps were put in place
to incourage long sessions, and its worked great.
Quote: EvenBobAnd the casino saw the light about you and
those short sessions. Comps were put in place
to incourage long sessions, and its worked great.
Well, it's nice that CET will still hook me up
Quote: aceofspadesAs most of you know, I have been very loyal to a certain casino in AC the past 6 months. However, as most of you might also know, whenever my session length was over 2 shoes (blackjack), I would consistently lose (and lose big)...I know the math and certain forum members chide me for playing hit and run type blackjack (where I set a win/loss limit) and then return for a shoe later on (could even be minutes later) as it is "all one big shoe" over a lifetime - BUT, this "system" seems to work for me.
So, after showing me much love on my long losing sessions, my current casino of choice has informed me that my comps and rooms will be limited as my play has been limited. As such, I am heading back to a CET property where I will finish up reaching my diamond status (likely this weekend) for the year.
I am not going to deviate from my hit and run strategy to merely get "free rooms" at my casino of choice. Cash in pocket is more important than free rooms.
Has anyone else had this type of situation happen to them?
Come to Connecticut. You can play six deck S17 with deep penetration at one of the casinos and a house edge of .35% at both.
At your level of play you should be well taken care of.
Quote: 1BBCome to Connecticut. You can play six deck S17 with deep penetration at one of the casinos and a house edge of .35% at both.
At your level of play you should be well taken care of.
Mohegan does have good rules, but from what I have seen the penetration is not deep and comps are stingy at best. They get so many people from NY and Boston being between the two that black chip players are often small fish in a big pond. Personally I like to play at Turning Stone in NY when I can just because of the clientel. At Mohegan I'm lucky to get a buffet comp playing 6 hours @ 50 a hand, at Turning Stone I'm in a deluxe room with free meals and $50 free play. Big difference between playing out in the sticks where few people have money and playing where there is concentrated high denom. play.
Quote: winmonkeyspit3Mohegan does have good rules, but from what I have seen the penetration is not deep and comps are stingy at best. They get so many people from NY and Boston being between the two that black chip players are often small fish in a big pond. Personally I like to play at Turning Stone in NY when I can just because of the clientel. At Mohegan I'm lucky to get a buffet comp playing 6 hours @ 50 a hand, at Turning Stone I'm in a deluxe room with free meals and $50 free play. Big difference between playing out in the sticks where few people have money and playing where there is concentrated high denom. play.
The comp formula for green or higher at Mohegan Sun is 13% so those six hours should get you $31.50 in real dollars good anywhere on the property. There are a few dealers who give good penetration but you must look for them as it can be hit and miss and not something a first time visitor would probably want to do.
I would suggest the Newport Room at Foxwoods for our friend ace. With penetration in the low to mid 80% range, it has the same rules as Mohegan Sun plus you can split 10s. :)
Quote: aceofspadesWong - from what I know (and please correct me if I am wrong), there are no hotel/casinos in PA - meaning that the casinos are stand alone without any hotel.
Sands has a hotel that they just built for the casino. Valley Forge has two hotels (it's at the convention center), Mount Airy has a hotel too.
Quote: sodawaterI have found that players who change tables frequently do not receive fair comp credit compared to players playing the same amount of time on one table. I suspect this is due to laziness on the part of the pit staff.
I've experiened this too...I might buy in for a moderate amount and play 1/2 hour, then bounce to another table or two and maybe play 2-3 hours total. This seems to negatively affect my comp rate, as compared to staying at one table for 2-3 hours. Shouldn't make a difference in theory, same action, but the casino either doesn't like it or the pit staff can't keep up with me moving. Mostly CET properties seem to have this issue.
So in relation to Ace's original post...maybe thats why your comps are down?
They do seem to offer incentives to inactive or less frequent players such as Better/Free comps, comped rooms, free slot or match play & free gifts.
I even called up a Trump "Host" 2 years ago and asked him why the person with a tier score of 168 gets more offers, free gifts and comped weekend rooms over my tier score of 3486?
To which he replied "Well, sometimes WINNING is the best gift and the rest just falls into place."
Instead of chewing him out on the phone, I simply said "Well maybe I'll do my WINNING somewhere else then!"
And I have not been back to that casino since and get some pretty good offers at Resorts, Borgata and working up the points at Revel.
So AC does seem to have their little "come back" schemes with comped offers, you just gotta learn how to play the game to get what you need beyond money.
Quote: IbeatyouracesAs an AP or even a semi AP, you should never stay where you play. Its only a matter of time until security barges in at 2am and kicks you out.
I have never heard of security coming to an AP's room in the wee hours of the morning to kick someone out. Don't they normally just ban you when you are at the table.
Quote: JuyemuraI have never heard of security coming to an AP's room in the wee hours of the morning to kick someone out. Don't they normally just ban you when you are at the table.
Maybe not a Blackjack AP, but there was the recent incident at Golden Nugget in AC where the Mini-Baccarat group won $1.2 mil, which the casino refused to pay, and the one winner who was staying at the hotel had been bum rushed at 2 AM.
Now before we start all the "Mini-Bac players are not APs" argument. We need to look at it from the Casino's perspective that they initially thought the people at the Mini-Bac table had cheated to win all that money and were pulling a scheme. When in fact it was simply a matter of the table dealing the game with an Unshuffled deck for 41 consecutive hands and the players caught on & bet the maximum every hand based on that pattern.
So they were AP from the Casino's POV and the one person from that group, who stayed at Golden Nugget that night was in fact woken up at 2AM, held against the wall while security ravaged his belongings and then held in a room without food,water or an interpreter for 8 hours. Therefore, it isn't out of the question that security would bust in to the room of a suspected counter. Because in the Casino's view, he is cheating.
Quote: vendman1This seems to negatively affect my comp rate, as compared to staying at one table for 2-3 hours. Shouldn't make a difference in theory, same action, but the casino either doesn't like it or the pit staff can't keep up with me moving.
One relatively easy way to counter that is to cash out and then buy in at the new table.
The GN incident of the Goon Squad taking someone out of the room to the casino's security office is one reason the proposed settlement offer fell through. Its a great tort claim that is worth far more than the chips he has.
