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October 18th, 2012 at 11:32:35 AM permalink
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I would prefer the ability to customize a plan, though I concede it would be hard to do a full-buffet plan. At some point you have to bundle. I strongly support the option of insurers to offer "men's" or "women's" plans only. As to cost of the pill, I do not know the individual drugs not the exchange rate BP$5 equates to, but Britan has price controls and the USA does not. Pill companies will thus develop with the USA in mind with other places getting the benefit of extra production.

It came out after the Sandra Fluke Circus that you can get birth control for <$10/mo USD in many ways, not subsidized.



I can understand male/female split (prepare yourself though for controversy if there is a different in price, but I'm sure you expect it). It will also differ on age, no doubt. Risk factors would also come into play, in a full free market system (which RomneyCare isn't). I don't have a problem with that at all (what sort of goddamned liberal am I, hey?). I still have a preference for fully socialized medicine (which ObamaCare isn't).

I meant $5 US dollars. The most common packages cost around 2.49 (UKP) for a month according to the NHS websites... and there's a wide variety of suppliers. I'm not sure all of them are sold in the US. The UK has prescribed more expensive pills, so I don't think this is merely an issue with price controls (all the companies are welcome to walk away, obviously). Sub $10 makes sense then.

The UK had (I think it was changed) weird rule where razors where not subject to sales tax (being classed as an essential item) but sanitary products were (being classed as a non-essential good). But the pill is free, on prescription.
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October 18th, 2012 at 11:35:49 AM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

I can understand male/female split (prepare yourself though for controversy if there is a different in price, but I'm sure you expect it). It will also differ on age, no doubt. Risk factors would also come into play, in a full free market system (which RomneyCare isn't). I don't have a problem with that at all (what sort of goddamned liberal am I, hey?). I still have a preference for fully socialized medicine (which ObamaCare isn't).



The precedent for differing prices is car liability and life insurance. Though there would be outcry, I agree there.
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October 18th, 2012 at 11:36:30 AM permalink
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Why on earth would anyone want British healthcare ??? They are a great example of how not to do it.



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October 18th, 2012 at 11:42:30 AM permalink
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Suppose you own a funeral home?



That's a very offensive comment.
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October 18th, 2012 at 11:43:32 AM permalink
Quote: Keyser

Why on earth would anyone want British healthcare ??? They are a great example of how not to do it.



Yeah, I've never had any success with British Healthcare. It was absolutely lousy all the times I've been there. (This is sarcasm).
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October 18th, 2012 at 11:55:24 AM permalink
My wife has family there. The experiences that they have had with the healthcare system there is simply garrish.
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October 18th, 2012 at 12:00:43 PM permalink
Quote: Keyser

My wife has family there. The experiences that they have had with the healthcare system there is simply garrish.



I have family there, and am from there. Experiences I have had with the healthcare system there has been from average to good. It;s saved the life of at least one relation, provided excellent palliative care in another experience.

My limited experience with the Canadian system has been slightly better. I have never used a US hospital, so I cannot tell you if it's like Nirvana or not. And, bugger it, it was free at the point of use and there was no fiscal worry. I don't claim it is best in the world. I do claim it is effective. I've used it on occasion, and not dead yet.

So there's my anecdotal evidence. Hopefully you will now change your mind, as I can provide far more of it (of course not, I wouldn't expect you to either).
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October 18th, 2012 at 1:32:33 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

And, bugger it, it was free at the point of use



Free? Really? Nobody pays the doctors and nurses
and hospitals?

Do you know how idiotic it sounds when somebody calls
socialistic healthcare 'free'? Thats like saying the kids
go to public schools for free in the States. They aren't
free at all, I pay for them twice a year with my property
taxes.
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October 18th, 2012 at 2:19:56 PM permalink
And now back to the debate, at least
partially.....

When I am asked to moderate, I will
only do it on the condition that the
microphones get turned off at the
end of 2 minutes !

And yes, I'm looking at YOU Mr.
Romney.
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October 18th, 2012 at 2:21:23 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Free? Really? Nobody pays the doctors and nurses
and hospitals?

Do you know how idiotic it sounds when somebody calls
socialistic healthcare 'free'? Thats like saying the kids
go to public schools for free in the States. They aren't
free at all, I pay for them twice a year with my property
taxes.



FREE AT THE POINT OF USE.

Duh!
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