Obamacare
Quote: Beethoven9th61% of Americans now disapprove of Obamacare. The other numbers in this poll are fascinating as well:
Poll: Obamacare support, Obama approval sink to new lows
My favorite line: "Just seven percent of Americans think the Affordable Care Act is working well and should be kept in place as it is."
How does it feel to be a 7-percenter, s2dbaker??
Fascinating, Watson, fascinating.
Quote: LarrySI work for a company thathas 7000 retail stores and 6 months ago in preparation of obamacare changed health insurance. Our premiums are 300 dollars cheaper a year. But it you use healthcare...you can end up paying 2000 extra in deductables a year(because the decuctable went from 1000 to 3000.....and the copay went from a flat fee to paying 10 percent. Many people had to change doctors destryoying their continuity of cair. Its true...if you dont use healthcare.....those people will save 300 a year in reduced premiums.
And what state are you in? The states where costs actually went down are few and far between. And if you need your deductible once every 6 years or more health care is more expensive for you.
Plagiarizing an overhaul and managing to destroy it in the process - now that's talent.
Quote: LarrySI work for a company thathas 7000 retail stores and 6 months ago in preparation of obamacare changed health insurance. Our premiums are 300 dollars cheaper a year. But it you use healthcare...you can end up paying 2000 extra in deductables a year(because the decuctable went from 1000 to 3000.....and the copay went from a flat fee to paying 10 percent. Many people had to change doctors destryoying their continuity of cair. Its true...if you dont use healthcare.....those people will save 300 a year in reduced premiums.
That was the question I asked another member about the plan--what about the deductibles and total out of pocket expenses--it isn't necessarily good just to have a cheaper policy if you actually have to use it.
For the most part, the blind loyalty to the President and his Obamacare has disappeared. Most observers have now figured out that it isn't nearly what it was sold to be and are stepping back from it.
There has been a major shift in what the program is called lately in order to detach it from the President. He was proud to call it Obamacare; now he's happier to refer to it as the ACA. Pelosi says that she has always referred to it as that; she is one of few if that is the case. Run as fast as you can folks...it is still Obamacare and his signature program is a huge failure.
I really, really, really hate sounding like a Negative Nancy, but just wait until 2016. The Obama minions will be back to slobbering over the Dem candidate, just like in 1996 and 2012.Quote: RonCFor the most part, the blind loyalty to the President and his Obamacare has disappeared.
Libs are masters at the language game. For example, it's not the "right to life"; it's the "right to choose". It's not "raising taxes"; it's "increasing government revenue". It's not "changing the definition of 'marriage'"; it's "marriage equality". You get the picture.Quote: RonCThere has been a major shift in what the program is called lately in order to detach it from the President. He was proud to call it Obamacare; now he's happier to refer to it as the ACA.
strategy is, they weren't 'cancellations' from the insurance
companies, they were 'policy reminders'. It's like when
you get fired, they call it being 'phased out'. Same thing,
you're out on your ass, but it sounds so much nicer.
Quote: anonimussAnd what state are you in? The states where costs actually went down are few and far between. And if you need your deductible once every 6 years or more health care is more expensive for you.
my poit is...is that premium reduction is not the entire story is deductables and copays go up. Any family that has children will bepaying aloyt more money for healthcare even though their premiums may have gone down. Doctor visits and dedictables overpower the small decrease in premiums
Quote: RonC
There has been a major shift in what the program is called lately in order to detach it from the President. He was proud to call it Obamacare; now he's happier to refer to it as the ACA. Pelosi says that she has always referred to it as that; she is one of few if that is the case. Run as fast as you can folks...it is still Obamacare and his signature program is a huge failure.
Hard to escape a cult of personality when you have to.
My office visit deductibles willl go down by $5 starting in January.Quote: LarrySmy poit is...is that premium reduction is not the entire story is deductables and copays go up. Any family that has children will bepaying aloyt more money for healthcare even though their premiums may have gone down. Doctor visits and dedictables overpower the small decrease in premiums
Thank You President Obama.
Quote: s2dbakerMy office visit deductibles willl go down by $5 starting in January.
Thank You President Obama.
do you have any idea what you are talking about?
ThIS is why obamacare was allowed to go thru. People have no idea about their real costs.
this guy thinks his docotrs office visit copay is the same as his deductable
Most people are having their deductables increased so that they have to pay a couple of thousand dollars BEFORE they even are allowed to pay a copay at their doctors office.
It's "sold" to the masses as reality. The ACA isn't about health care. Don't immediately dismiss this. The insurance company's and they're lobbyist's wrote it.
Why would anyone think it would be good for anyone besides who wrote it. It's not about health care, it's about control, just like everything else the .gov has done since 911, or even before.
There were/are so many ways to make real health care more affordable than this monstrous 2000 page law. The difficulties in implementing this farce has already caused many doctors to quit health care altogether. Over 5 million have already lost their health coverage, many more to follow.
We get so distracted with the drivel and caught up in the illusion. I'm sure many aren't following the latest TPP treaty being negotiated as I type this. It lets pharmaceutical company's extend their drug patents out to twenty years. Stops any competition in generic medicines. One of the reasons the pharma's have been allowed to charge up to 4000 percent markup on medicines was under the guise of R&D. The problem for most wasn't that they needed them to invent some new drug, or procedure, it was they couldn't afford what was available already.
The drug company's aren't even trying to make new antibiotics because there is no money in a drug that will only be effective for one season until the bacteria's have morphed into resistant strains.
It's not health care, it's sick care. And it's not about care at all, it's about the money. It's not for your good, it's for they're good.
Quote: petroglyphTo me the ACA is an oxymoron. A cruel ironic twist, a play on words.
It's "sold" to the masses as reality. The ACA isn't about health care. Don't immediately dismiss this. The insurance company's and they're lobbyist's wrote it.
Why would anyone think it would be good for anyone besides who wrote it. It's not about health care, it's about control, just like everything else the .gov has done since 911, or even before.
There were/are so many ways to make real health care more affordable than this monstrous 2000 page law. The difficulties in implementing this farce has already caused many doctors to quit health care altogether. Over 5 million have already lost their health coverage, many more to follow.
We get so distracted with the drivel and caught up in the illusion. I'm sure many aren't following the latest TPP treaty being negotiated as I type this. It lets pharmaceutical company's extend their drug patents out to twenty years. Stops any competition in generic medicines. One of the reasons the pharma's have been allowed to charge up to 4000 percent markup on medicines was under the guise of R&D. The problem for most wasn't that they needed them to invent some new drug, or procedure, it was they couldn't afford what was available already.
The drug company's aren't even trying to make new antibiotics because there is no money in a drug that will only be effective for one season until the bacteria's have morphed into resistant strains.
It's not health care, it's sick care. And it's not about care at all, it's about the money. It's not for your good, it's for they're good.
Well allowing drug companies to have their patent to 20 years is just a 3 year extension from the current 17. Remember that when a drug company discovers a new chemical entity/drug...the clock on that 17 year patent starts at discovery of the drug when they patent it. It may take 6-7 years before all the testing and all the govt red tape is satisfied before it is allowed to be placed on the market. And with every drug that is allowed to go thru...there are hundreds of millions spent on drugs that do not pan out. ..sonmething generic companies do not have to worry anout. When there are patents on other things people can immediately sell those wares....but drug companies have to wait years and spend millions before the green light is given for sales of it. So although big drug companies do have their areas for criticism.....I have no problem allowing them 20 years for a patent rather than 17.
Quote: s2dbakerMy office visit deductibles willl go down by $5 starting in January.
Thank You President Obama.
I know you are a supporter. What is your overall opinion of Obamacare, as related to the impact on everyone and not just you individually, at this point?
Quote: anonimussFascinating, Watson, fascinating.Quote: Beethoven9th61% of Americans now disapprove of Obamacare. The other numbers in this poll are fascinating as well:
Poll: Obamacare support, Obama approval sink to new lows
My favorite line: "Just seven percent of Americans think the Affordable Care Act is working well and should be kept in place as it is."
How does it feel to be a 7-percenter, s2dbaker??
Unbelievable. Looks like CBS has removed this story, which was critical of Obama. (This shouldn't surprise me though)
This is the best passage of the story:
"Veteran House Democratic aides are sick over the insurance prices they’ll pay under Obamacare, and they’re scrambling to find a cure.
“In a shock to the system, the older staff in my office (folks over 59) have now found out their personal health insurance costs (even with the government contribution) have gone up 3-4 times what they were paying before,” Minh Ta, chief of staff to Rep. Gwen Moore (D-Wis.), wrote to fellow Democratic chiefs of staff in an email message obtained by POLITICO. 'Simply unacceptable.'"
LOL!!!
I think that everyone will have an opportunity to buy health insurance. My overall opinion of Obamacare is that it sucks. It's missing a public option which would make it a much better law. Even better than a public option would have been just opening up Medicare and allowing anyone to buy in and leaving the private insurers to compete against that.Quote: RonCI know you are a supporter. What is your overall opinion of Obamacare, as related to the impact on everyone and not just you individually, at this point?
What I support is something better than Obamacare. I don't like Obamacare but going back to the way things were is far worse.
Quote: anonimussI like the liberal "It's time for a woman president!" mantra. Shouldn't it be, "It's time for a president who has actually accomplished something in his past and isn't a bs'ing, incompetent, pathologically lying, America hating socialist sociopath?"
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Quote: anonimussWelcome to the low information voter.
Runner up...
Quote: s2dbakerI think that everyone will have an opportunity to buy health insurance. My overall opinion of Obamacare is that it sucks. It's missing a public option which would make it a much better law. Even better than than a public option would have been just opening up Medicare and allowing anyone to buy in and leaving the private insurers to compete against that.Quote: RonCI know you are a supporter. What is your overall opinion of Obamacare, as related to the impact on everyone and not just you individually, at this point?
What I support is something better than Obamacare. I don't like Obamacare but going back to the way things were is far worse.
The so-called public option is a crazy idea.
How about a "public option" for food since I do not like it when Wal-Mart makes a profit on the food I buy?
How about a "public option" for gasoline since i do not like XOM making a profit when I fill my tank?
How about a "public option" for cars since I do not like Ford making a profit when I buy a car?
How about a "public option" for clothes since I do not like Levi making a profit on the jeans I buy?
PUBLIC OPTION = SOCIALISM.
It is not the government's job to run what can and should be run by the private sector.
No, not really. Your revulsion to it is a knee-jerk reaction. That's okay, I understand that you're a low information voter and always will be.Quote: AZDuffmanThe so-called public option is a crazy idea.
The Farm Bill subsidizes all of the milk that you drink already. Without the Government, your milk would be 2 to 3 times as expensive.Quote: AZDuffmanHow about a "public option" for food since I do not like it when Wal-Mart makes a profit on the food I buy?
The government gives enormous tax breaks to Exxon/Mobile already. How much more do you want the government to give them?Quote: AZDuffmanHow about a "public option" for gasoline since i do not like XOM making a profit when I fill my tank?
How about building roads for those cars to drive upon?Quote: AZDuffmanHow about a "public option" for cars since I do not like Ford making a profit when I buy a car?
The government gives huge tax breaks to manufacturers who make clothes in the part of Saipan that's still under American control. The label can still say Made in USA.Quote: AZDuffmanHow about a "public option" for clothes since I do not like Levi making a profit on the jeans I buy?
I have news for you. You are only slightly less socialist than me but you are a socialist.Quote: AZDuffmanPUBLIC OPTION = SOCIALISM.
On that we agree, healthcare insurance should not be run by the private sector.Quote: AZDuffmanIt is not the government's job to run what can and should be run by the private sector.
And somehow you call me the low-information voter.
and you always will be.Quote: AZDuffmanYeah, because we have roads and I drive on them I am a socialist.
And somehow you call me the low-information voter.
Quote: 24Bingos2dbaker is starting to sound like a global warming denialist, drawing on anecdote to bury the big picture, hoping if he just chants his mantras faithfully enough, nasty reality will stop getting in the way of ideology.
All I can hear him saying is, "FOUR LEGS GOOD, TWO LEGS BAD! FOUR LEGS GOOD, TWO LEGS BAD!"
Everyone already does have the opportunity to buy health insurance, Einstein.Quote: s2dbakerI think that everyone will have an opportunity to buy health insurance.
Remember, everyone, when I talked about liberals and the 'language' game? Here's another example of it.Quote: s2dbakerThe government gives huge tax breaks...
If I forcibly take your money and then one day decide to take LESS of it, then somehow I'm "giving" you money? *facepalm*
Let's hear the spin on this one...
They are already saying that those aren't really "cancellation" notices; they are "renewal" notices...
Isn't time to end this fiasco as quickly as possible and start over? Obamacare is like a sinking ship that they won't let us off of...
Quote: RonC
Isn't time to end this fiasco as quickly as possible and start over? Obamacare is like a sinking ship that they won't let us off of...
I am kind of hoping the GOP in the House votes for nothing but repeal, IOW no delays of fixes. Just say to Dems, "You promised them Obamacare and they are going to get it."
Quote: AZDuffmanI am kind of hoping the GOP in the House votes for nothing but repeal, IOW no delays of fixes. Just say to Dems, "You promised them Obamacare and they are going to get it."
Fully agree on that, endless tinkering will simply enhance and prolong the pain
Quote: Beethoven9thQuote: anonimussFascinating, Watson, fascinating.Quote: Beethoven9th61% of Americans now disapprove of Obamacare. The other numbers in this poll are fascinating as well:
Poll: Obamacare support, Obama approval sink to new lows
My favorite line: "Just seven percent of Americans think the Affordable Care Act is working well and should be kept in place as it is."
How does it feel to be a 7-percenter, s2dbaker??
Unbelievable. Looks like CBS has removed this story, which was critical of Obama. (This shouldn't surprise me though)
Get it? 7-percenter..."Watson"...
Quote: AZDuffman
It is not the government's job to run what can and should be run by the private sector.
s2dbaker
On that we agree, healthcare insurance should not be run by the private sector.
Sorry dude. It's the law. Suffer with your better and less expensive health insurance.Quote: RonChttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/22/obamacare-enrollment-for-2015-to-reportedly-be-delayed-until-after-midterms/
Let's hear the spin on this one...
They are already saying that those aren't really "cancellation" notices; they are "renewal" notices...
Isn't time to end this fiasco as quickly as possible and start over? Obamacare is like a sinking ship that they won't let us off of...
A workaround has been available from the CBS station in Washington.Quote: Beethoven9thQuote: anonimussFascinating, Watson, fascinating.Quote: Beethoven9th61% of Americans now disapprove of Obamacare. The other numbers in this poll are fascinating as well: Poll: Obamacare support, Obama approval sink to new lowsMy favorite line: "Just seven percent of Americans think the Affordable Care Act is working well and should be kept in place as it is."
Unbelievable. Looks like CBS has removed this story, which was critical of Obama. (This shouldn't surprise me though)
I don't get this "It's the law" argument that libs all of a sudden like to throw around.Quote: s2dbakerSorry dude. It's the law.
Must I remind libs that gay marriage is banned in 30+ states? Yeah, libs, it's the law!!!
What about Citizens United? It's the law!!!
What about...............well, you guys get my drift.
...yet libs won't shut up in trying to overturn these laws.
Quote: s2dbakerSorry dude. It's the law. .
Shall I take this as the end of your opposition in all the gun threads?
Quote: s2dbakerSorry dude. It's the law. Suffer with your better and less expensive health insurance.
But the better (for me) and less expensive health insurance is being canceled left and right? I don't get your point?
and you never will because you're a low information voter.Quote: AZDuffmanBut the better (for me) and less expensive health insurance is being canceled left and right? I don't get your point?
I don't recall opposition to any gun laws on my part. I think I've actually encouraged the paranoid among us to acquire more guns and to clean them often.Quote: FaceShall I take this as the end of your opposition in all the gun threads?
Quote: s2dbakerI don't recall opposition to any gun laws on my part. I think I've actually encouraged the paranoid among us to acquire more guns and to clean them often.
I stand corrected.
Carry on.
Quote: s2dbakerI don't recall opposition to any gun laws on my part.
Um...the 2nd amendment????
You also oppose Citizens United, gay marriage bans in 30+ states, etc. And the list goes on.
Quote: s2dbakerand you never will because you're a low information voter.
Maybe you should explain how something I do not like and costs more than what I like and costs less is "better?"
Cost to her.....zero. She is getting great care at no cost. My point.....health insurance and health care are completely different issues. Maybe I'm wrong but it's my impression that everybody gets health care in this country. Health insurance is simply designed to protect assets...
Quote: RonChttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/22/obamacare-enrollment-for-2015-to-reportedly-be-delayed-until-after-midterms/
Let's hear the spin on this one...
They are already saying that those aren't really "cancellation" notices; they are "renewal" notices...
Isn't time to end this fiasco as quickly as possible and start over? Obamacare is like a sinking ship that they won't let us off of...
Quote: s2dbakerSorry dude. It's the law. Suffer with your better and less expensive health insurance.
Sorry, dude, but your reply is a pile of crap. "It's the law" is something that has been said, but you only seem to hear that when it isn't some part of the law that the President or his folks have not already changed. Those effective dates that were adjusted for political expediency, or even just to correct problems with the law, were also part of the "law."
We have a political establishment that has forgotten who they serve and the current ringmaster is President Obama. I'm not going to say that some of the clowns who are part of the show aren't from the other party, but the President and the Majority Leader of the Senate form the leadership team. The President does not care about you and he does not care about me. He has shown that for all of us to see. If he really cared about us, he'd be working his behind off to find all of the problems with this law and to fix it. It is too important for him to do less.
You have told us your monthly premium is cheaper; good for you. That is not the experience of those people getting those...what are they today..."renewals" that speak about cancellations.
Some may be low-information voters; you are acting like an "ignore the information" voter.
Then that really is too bad for you, isn't it? I got my better insurance at less expense. Thank You President Obama. If you don't like the law then go ahead and get rid of it. I suggest that you start with the next election. Liberals won and along with us, the rest of America wins. Like I said earlier, suffer. Our side won, your side lost. The adults are in charge now. If private health insurance companies are cancelling their policies and blaming Obamacare then go throw a tantrum about it. The rest of us will enjoy our less expensive and better health insurance and make certain that your side will never takes that away.Quote: RonCSorry, dude, but your reply is a pile of crap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOioQuote: Ron Clow-information voters
I love it! "Low information voters". That is a great way to describe many of the democrats.
Well, even if they can't afford Bamacare, they still be a gettin dare Bama phones!
Quote: s2dbakerI got my better insurance at less expense.
Coming from the guy that had COBRA insurance. Just a reminder for the peanut gallery.
House speaker John Boehner just got himself some of that Obamacare. And for a 64 year old smoker, he had some pretty awesome options from which to choose.Quote: MoosetonComing from the guy that had COBRA insurance. Just a reminder for the peanut gallery.
